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RE: Could COVID force the MAC into FCS?
(09-01-2020 08:13 AM)cmufanatic Wrote:  
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(08-31-2020 09:16 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  
(08-26-2020 10:35 AM)Bronco14 Wrote:  If no 2020 & no 2021 season, definitely

If it gets that bad tho, I think it's more likely they just drop down to D2. A team or 2 like Toledo might still try to make it work

I agree. Although lots of Rockets fans are bucknut and scUM fans, there is enough of a donor base to stay Indy and fill schedules with current MAC, Indy and B1G squads.

If the MAC did “drop down” to FCS and some current members remained as FBS independents, who could and would do so?

From an outsiders perspective, I’d think Toledo, Western Michigan, Central Michigan, Buffalo and maybe Northern Illinois and Ohio. Maybe I’m way off but it would be interesting. Having 5 other somewhat regional independents to the MAC today would make scheduling and travel fairly easy.

CMU has a very pro athletics president in Davies, on top of putting the finishing touches on a 35 million endzone facility and last season installing a large video screen. I do not see CMU dropping down to FCS

I meant to say who would stay FBS
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RE: Could COVID force the MAC into FCS?
(09-01-2020 07:34 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  
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(08-26-2020 10:35 AM)Bronco14 Wrote:  If no 2020 & no 2021 season, definitely

If it gets that bad tho, I think it's more likely they just drop down to D2. A team or 2 like Toledo might still try to make it work

I agree. Although lots of Rockets fans are bucknut and scUM fans, there is enough of a donor base to stay Indy and fill schedules with current MAC, Indy and B1G squads.

If the MAC did “drop down” to FCS and some current members remained as FBS independents, who could and would do so?

From an outsiders perspective, I’d think Toledo, Western Michigan, Central Michigan, Buffalo and maybe Northern Illinois and Ohio. Maybe I’m way off but it would be interesting. Having 5 other somewhat regional independents to the MAC today would make scheduling and travel fairly easy.

I pretty much agree with that group of 6 MAC schools ( Toledo, Ohio, Buffalo, WMU,CMU, and Northern Illinois) that could still pull it off at the FBS level... Maybe switch out NIU with Miami, because I think having deeper pockets in Oxford, as opposed to the financial dire straits going on in Illinois would make me think of the NIU program downsizing...
Only the schools mentioned I believe have the donor and fan base/future athletic vision/ and $$$ to keep it going IMO...
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RE: Could COVID force the MAC into FCS?
Outsider question for fans of those 6 or 7 schools:

If it came down to it...would you rather

1. Try to make a go of it independent?
2. Try to attract a few FCS powers like North Dakota State, Montana, Northern Iowa, and James Madison and backfill?
3. Or dissolve and make your case to get into another G5 conference? (and if so which one?)
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RE: Could COVID force the MAC into FCS?
Try to pull in some FCS schools. Montana is way out of our footprint tho

While I had said 1 MAC school would try to make it as FBS, I do think there's 6 or 7 that could make the case. Maybe that 1 school would be the one that ditches & tries to get into another G5 conference
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RE: Could COVID force the MAC into FCS?
(09-02-2020 11:56 AM)APPdiesel Wrote:  Outsider question for fans of those 6 or 7 schools:

If it came down to it...would you rather

1. Try to make a go of it independent?
2. Try to attract a few FCS powers like North Dakota State, Montana, Northern Iowa, and James Madison and backfill?
3. Or dissolve and make your case to get into another G5 conference? (and if so which one?)

Personally, I don’t believe there will ever be any changes in the MAC that involve teams dropping down to FCS. IF and that’s a wild IF, that happens then those 6-7 or so teams left will be fine and have no need for searching for a new conference. Because I guarantee you Marshall, James Madison, and WKU would be more than willing to join them in the MAC, IF the MAC would have them.
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RE: Could COVID force the MAC into FCS?
(09-02-2020 01:20 PM)HTOWN_HERD Wrote:  
(09-02-2020 11:56 AM)APPdiesel Wrote:  Outsider question for fans of those 6 or 7 schools:

If it came down to it...would you rather

1. Try to make a go of it independent?
2. Try to attract a few FCS powers like North Dakota State, Montana, Northern Iowa, and James Madison and backfill?
3. Or dissolve and make your case to get into another G5 conference? (and if so which one?)

Personally, I don’t believe there will ever be any changes in the MAC that involve teams dropping down to FCS. IF and that’s a wild IF, that happens then those 6-7 or so teams left will be fine and have no need for searching for a new conference. Because I guarantee you Marshall, James Madison, and WKU would be more than willing to join them in the MAC, IF the MAC would have them.

I’m agreeing with the MARSHALL fan? Yes!

Miami should have also been on this list of schools for staying FBS.
We have some $$$$ (more than most MAC schools), many connections, and probably the biggest and longest history of all MAC schools.
We are relevant. We are not dropping to FCS. If this happens with schools going to FCS (not!), Welcome back Marshall!
Done!
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RE: Could COVID force the MAC into FCS?
(09-02-2020 01:20 PM)HTOWN_HERD Wrote:  
(09-02-2020 11:56 AM)APPdiesel Wrote:  Outsider question for fans of those 6 or 7 schools:

If it came down to it...would you rather

1. Try to make a go of it independent?
2. Try to attract a few FCS powers like North Dakota State, Montana, Northern Iowa, and James Madison and backfill?
3. Or dissolve and make your case to get into another G5 conference? (and if so which one?)

Personally, I don’t believe there will ever be any changes in the MAC that involve teams dropping down to FCS. IF and that’s a wild IF, that happens then those 6-7 or so teams left will be fine and have no need for searching for a new conference. Because I guarantee you Marshall, James Madison, and WKU would be more than willing to join them in the MAC, IF the MAC would have them.

I’m agreeing with the MARSHALL fan? Yes!
Miami should have also been on this list of schools for FBS.
We have some $$$$ (more than most MAC schools), many connections, and probably the biggest and longest history of all MAC schools.
We are relevant. We are not dropping to FCS. Done!
(Mic drop.....)
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RE: Could COVID force the MAC into FCS?
(09-02-2020 01:20 PM)HTOWN_HERD Wrote:  
(09-02-2020 11:56 AM)APPdiesel Wrote:  Outsider question for fans of those 6 or 7 schools:

If it came down to it...would you rather

1. Try to make a go of it independent?
2. Try to attract a few FCS powers like North Dakota State, Montana, Northern Iowa, and James Madison and backfill?
3. Or dissolve and make your case to get into another G5 conference? (and if so which one?)

Personally, I don’t believe there will ever be any changes in the MAC that involve teams dropping down to FCS. IF and that’s a wild IF, that happens then those 6-7 or so teams left will be fine and have no need for searching for a new conference. Because I guarantee you Marshall, James Madison, and WKU would be more than willing to join them in the MAC, IF the MAC would have them.

Marshall, WKU, James Madison, and maybe Appy State along with five or six of the top MAC programs !!
I could live with that !! 04-cheers
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RE: Could COVID force the MAC into FCS?
From a recent article in The Buffalo News, UB athletics expects to bring in $8million less in revenues because of the postponement of fall sports. They also expect an additional $1million in Covid-19 expenses if UB is able to conduct any athletic competitions. Testing is the most notable expense and they are doing it through the end of the semester. As of Aug. 21 the most recent round of tests showed zero positives among all the athletic department.

Just shows the large amount of revenue hit the MAC schools are dealing with.
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RE: Could COVID force the MAC into FCS?
Dropping down does not save all that much money, results in corresponding revenue losses, and alienates donors, both athletic donors and general school supporters. Would be foolish to do so for any MAC school.
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RE: Could COVID force the MAC into FCS?
If you have Toledo, Ohio, Buffalo, WMU, CMU, Northern Illinois and Miami, you only need one more school to remain an FBS conference, and that lineup would likely convince Kent to stay FBS in the MAC rather then drop football and look for it's best available alternative Division One Olympic-Sports-Only conference.

At least, I reckon so ... I think that's a better basketball conference than the Horizon, and if Kent can always schedule the Wagon Wheel home and away annually in basketball, then a 14 game round robin turns into 16 established games at the start of each season.
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RE: Could COVID force the MAC into FCS?
(09-03-2020 11:12 AM)NIUfilmmaker Wrote:  Dropping down does not save all that much money, results in corresponding revenue losses, and alienates donors, both athletic donors and general school supporters. Would be foolish to do so for any MAC school.

^This. So much this.
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RE: Could COVID force the MAC into FCS?
Oof, the absence of MAC football really hitting home this weekend. Hard to believe we are resetting the clock for another 12 months.

That said, a season will no/few fans, no tailgating, no cheerleaders and bands, probably no bowls except for CFP, and who knows how many postponements and cancellations before it’s all said and done, doesn’t really light many fires of excitement.

But it’s really strange sitting on the sidelines.
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It flat out sucks.
Actually a decent crowd allowed for marshall game and cadets spaced out at Army game along wi the their band.
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Guys and gals, my heart truly goes out to you, because even if something happens that the season ends prematurely, we are playing today and it is freaking awesome. I think your leaders really stomped their Johnsons flat On this.
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RE: Could COVID force the MAC into FCS?
(08-20-2020 02:40 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Not to be a Debbie downer but is it a possibility that the economic fallout of losing the 2020 football season mean FCS for all or part of the MAC?

It’s not a scenario I want to think about but I think it might be something we have to prepare for.

Honestly, the MAC probably needs a task force at this point to study and recommend its best option.
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RE: Could COVID force the MAC into FCS?
(09-05-2020 03:18 PM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  
(08-20-2020 02:40 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Not to be a Debbie downer but is it a possibility that the economic fallout of losing the 2020 football season mean FCS for all or part of the MAC?

It’s not a scenario I want to think about but I think it might be something we have to prepare for.

Honestly, the MAC probably needs a task force at this point to study and recommend its best option.

I think at the least they'd recommend Akron go down
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RE: Could COVID force the MAC into FCS?
(09-05-2020 03:26 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  
(09-05-2020 03:18 PM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  
(08-20-2020 02:40 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Not to be a Debbie downer but is it a possibility that the economic fallout of losing the 2020 football season mean FCS for all or part of the MAC?

It’s not a scenario I want to think about but I think it might be something we have to prepare for.

Honestly, the MAC probably needs a task force at this point to study and recommend its best option.

I think at the least they'd recommend Akron go down

Well, that would be one way to start the dominoes a-falling
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(09-05-2020 02:43 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  Guys and gals, my heart truly goes out to you, because even if something happens that the season ends prematurely, we are playing today and it is freaking awesome. I think your leaders really stomped their Johnsons flat On this.

No. I'm good.
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RE: Could COVID force the MAC into FCS?
(09-05-2020 02:25 PM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  Oof, the absence of MAC football really hitting home this weekend. Hard to believe we are resetting the clock for another 12 months.

That said, a season will no/few fans, no tailgating, no cheerleaders and bands, probably no bowls except for CFP, and who knows how many postponements and cancellations before it’s all said and done, doesn’t really light many fires of excitement.

But it’s really strange sitting on the sidelines.

Hopefully it'll encourage better attendance next fall, if safe to do so. Pent up demand and all...
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