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RE: Mid American Conference Football Divisions
(08-21-2020 01:58 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  The current divisions are fine

Yeah, they are fine. Now if they went to 14, BG could go west. Then it would probably be better. But its right with the 12 they have.
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(08-24-2020 03:15 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  If the MAC could go to 14 by adding Illinois State and Indiana State? You could slip the lone Ohio school on the west to the east.

WEST:
Northern Illinois
Illinois State
Ball State
Indiana State
Central Michigan
Eastern Michigan
Western Michigan

East:
Buffalo
Toledo
Ohio U.
Kent State
Miami
Bowling Green
Akron

It would give both Ball State and Northern Illinois as travel mates.

WTF........
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(08-24-2020 04:10 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  
(08-24-2020 03:15 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  If the MAC could go to 14 by adding Illinois State and Indiana State? You could slip the lone Ohio school on the west to the east.

WEST:
Northern Illinois
Illinois State
Ball State
Indiana State
Central Michigan
Eastern Michigan
Western Michigan

East:
Buffalo
Toledo
Ohio U.
Kent State
Miami
Bowling Green
Akron

It would give both Ball State and Northern Illinois as travel mates.

A David St post that makes sense!

Mitigating factors include the payout structure for CFP de-incentivizes G5’s bigger than 10 members but yes, if those 2 MVFC schools were equipped to move up that would clean things up.

It could line up a good rivalry week:

Akron vs Kent St
Ohio vs Miami
Toledo vs BG
Ball St vs Indiana St
NIU vs Illinois St

Two of the MI schools play while the odd ball gets Buffalo.

Indiana State isn’t a viable FBS candidate. They have a declining enrollment of around 12,000 students and play in a single sided 10,000 seat stadium.
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RE: Mid American Conference Football Divisions
(08-24-2020 03:15 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  If the MAC could go to 14 by adding Illinois State and Indiana State? You could slip the lone Ohio school on the west to the east.

WEST:
Northern Illinois
Illinois State
Ball State
Indiana State
Central Michigan
Eastern Michigan
Western Michigan

East:
Buffalo
Toledo
Ohio U.
Kent State
Miami
Bowling Green
Akron

It would give both Ball State and Northern Illinois as travel mates.

MAC doesn't need 14, especially in FB. Its just two more mouths to feed.

OTOH, Due to the amount of schools in the Midwest it should maintain at least 12 to be thought of as a big time conference.

10 anymore is hardly big enough to field the required D1 sports.
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MAC should be FCS.... By far the worse FBS level Conf of all....Could be a Power & Leader at the FCS level and they could still pimp themselves out for 21 P-5 games a year...
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(08-24-2020 08:06 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  MAC should be FCS.... By far the worse FBS level Conf of all....Could be a Power & Leader at the FCS level and they could still pimp themselves out for 21 P-5 games a year...

The MAC has our problems, but calling us not only the worst conference but by far is dead wrong. Sagarin isn't perfect, but here's where we've been the past decade; note that he started listing by division instead of total conference (where applicable) starting in 2013 and always tracks FCS with FBS.

2010: 13th, above the Belt
2011: 11th, above the Belt
2012: 10th, above C-USA and MWC
2013: West 17th (above C-USA East), East 20th (last in FBS); averaged last
2014: West 14th (above the AAC, C-USA West, and Belt), East 19th (last in FBS); averaged above the Belt
2015: West 14th (above MWC West, C-USA East and West, and Belt), East 18th (above C-USA West and Belt); averaged above C-USA and Belt
2016: West 14th (above the Belt, MWC West, C-USA East and West), East 20th (last); averaged above C-USA Total
2017: West 14th (above MWC West, C-USA East and West, and Belt), East 18th (above Belt); averaged above C-USA Total and Belt
2018: West 16th (above C-USA East and West, Belt West), East 18th (above C-USA West and Belt West); averaged above C-USA Total and Belt Total
2019: West 16th (above Independents, Belt West, and C-USA East), East 19th (above C-USA West); averaged above C-USA Total

That's not something to brag about, but the MAC average was last just once in the decade and above the Belt and C-USA both six times (if you wanna talk about the East as a division that's another matter). Also the assumption that we could drop down to FCS while suffering no buy game or TV deal consequences yet maintain or improve program quality is folly.
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(08-24-2020 08:06 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  MAC should be FCS.... By far the worse FBS level Conf of all....Could be a Power & Leader at the FCS level and they could still pimp themselves out for 21 P-5 games a year...

Do you know the last time Georgia Tech beat Michigan and Penn State on the road??? Or at Alabama?? Just wondering......
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Georgia Tech should worry about The Citadel.
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(08-24-2020 10:30 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Georgia Tech should worry about The Citadel.

Do you remember the last time Georgia Tech was relevant in college football??? Maybe.... during Rudy????
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(08-20-2020 10:49 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Toledo and BG are separated by 25 miles.
Ball and Miami are separated by 75 miles.

The solution is obvious - Ball St and BG should've been flipped.

Bowling Green prefers the East, which is chock full of other Ohio schools. Bowling Green old timers view Miami as a secondary rival. Kent State is a secondary trophy game. Etc.
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(08-25-2020 10:13 AM)utpotts Wrote:  
(08-24-2020 10:30 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Georgia Tech should worry about The Citadel.

Do you remember the last time Georgia Tech was relevant in college football??? Maybe.... during Rudy????

They were #1 in Coaches Poll #2 in AP in 1990 - going 11-0-1.

They have several 10+ wins seasons in 1998,2009,2014. Most years they weren't great, but they weren't a lot of awful years either. They are transitioning out of the triple option offense.
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(08-25-2020 02:07 PM)Schadenfreude Wrote:  
(08-20-2020 10:49 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Toledo and BG are separated by 25 miles.
Ball and Miami are separated by 75 miles.

The solution is obvious - Ball St and BG should've been flipped.

Bowling Green prefers the East, which is chock full of other Ohio schools. Bowling Green old timers view Miami as a secondary rival. Kent State is a secondary trophy game. Etc.

And on the flip side, Ball State prefers the west, with rival NIU and short trips up to Michigan & Toledo.
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(08-25-2020 02:07 PM)Schadenfreude Wrote:  
(08-20-2020 10:49 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Toledo and BG are separated by 25 miles.
Ball and Miami are separated by 75 miles.

The solution is obvious - Ball St and BG should've been flipped.

Bowling Green prefers the East, which is chock full of other Ohio schools. Bowling Green old timers view Miami as a secondary rival. Kent State is a secondary trophy game. Etc.

Precisely. BG's first best option is to play in the East with an annual game against Toledo, Ball State's first best potion is to play in the West with an annual game against Miami, Toledo's first best option is to play in the West with an annual game against Bowling Green.

So swapping Bowling Green and Ball State would create strong objections from the two schools involved in the swap ... indeed, if those two schools were IN FAVOR, the swap might have happened already.

Similarly the "West and South vs East and North" split between NIU, Ball State, Bowling Green, Toledo, Miami & Ohio and WMU, CMU, EMU, Kent State, Akron and Buffalo" would have Kent State and Akron objecting to being moved out of division from Ohio and Toledo objecting to being moved out of division from the Michigans.

Indeed, an "Eastern Expansion" needs to have a very strong appeal to get majority support, because Ball State and Bowling Green would be two likely "No" votes.
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(08-25-2020 05:22 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  
(08-25-2020 02:07 PM)Schadenfreude Wrote:  
(08-20-2020 10:49 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Toledo and BG are separated by 25 miles.
Ball and Miami are separated by 75 miles.

The solution is obvious - Ball St and BG should've been flipped.

Bowling Green prefers the East, which is chock full of other Ohio schools. Bowling Green old timers view Miami as a secondary rival. Kent State is a secondary trophy game. Etc.

Precisely. BG's first best option is to play in the East with an annual game against Toledo, Ball State's first best potion is to play in the West with an annual game against Miami, Toledo's first best option is to play in the West with an annual game against Bowling Green.

So swapping Bowling Green and Ball State would create strong objections from the two schools involved in the swap ... indeed, if those two schools were IN FAVOR, the swap might have happened already.

Similarly the "West and South vs East and North" split between NIU, Ball State, Bowling Green, Toledo, Miami & Ohio and WMU, CMU, EMU, Kent State, Akron and Buffalo" would have Kent State and Akron objecting to being moved out of division from Ohio and Toledo objecting to being moved out of division from the Michigans.

Indeed, an "Eastern Expansion" needs to have a very strong appeal to get majority support, because Ball State and Bowling Green would be two likely "No" votes.

Then the other swap I proposed was Toledo to the East and Miami to the West. You put Bowling Green and Toledo in the East together and break up Miami U and U of Ohio. Someone's going to get screwed and put in the West with the Michigan schools, Ball State, and Northern Illinois, why does it have to be Toledo? Bowling Green and Toledo are practically neighbors, Miami is the furthest west.
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(08-24-2020 08:05 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  
(08-24-2020 03:15 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  If the MAC could go to 14 by adding Illinois State and Indiana State? You could slip the lone Ohio school on the west to the east.

WEST:
Northern Illinois
Illinois State
Ball State
Indiana State
Central Michigan
Eastern Michigan
Western Michigan

East:
Buffalo
Toledo
Ohio U.
Kent State
Miami
Bowling Green
Akron

It would give both Ball State and Northern Illinois as travel mates.

MAC doesn't need 14, especially in FB. Its just two more mouths to feed.

OTOH, Due to the amount of schools in the Midwest it should maintain at least 12 to be thought of as a big time conference.

10 anymore is hardly big enough to field the required D1 sports.

Well, you do need 2 more to help ease the travel costs for Ball State and Northern Illinois. MAC is losing money because of this pandemic.
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(08-25-2020 05:22 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  Toledo's first best option is to play in the West with an annual game against Bowling Green.

You think Toledo prefers the West? I've always figured they *tolerate* the West.

(The Rockets' annual game with Northern Illinois is pretty awesome, though, I will say that.)
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(08-25-2020 07:03 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(08-24-2020 08:05 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  
(08-24-2020 03:15 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  If the MAC could go to 14 by adding Illinois State and Indiana State? You could slip the lone Ohio school on the west to the east.

WEST:
Northern Illinois
Illinois State
Ball State
Indiana State
Central Michigan
Eastern Michigan
Western Michigan

East:
Buffalo
Toledo
Ohio U.
Kent State
Miami
Bowling Green
Akron

It would give both Ball State and Northern Illinois as travel mates.

MAC doesn't need 14, especially in FB. Its just two more mouths to feed.

OTOH, Due to the amount of schools in the Midwest it should maintain at least 12 to be thought of as a big time conference.

10 anymore is hardly big enough to field the required D1 sports.

Well, you do need 2 more to help ease the travel costs for Ball State and Northern Illinois. MAC is losing money because of this pandemic.

Just stop...... you know nothing about the MAC
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