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RE: ODU might be a good MAC addition all sports
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(10-20-2020 11:23 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  I like the MAC, I respect the MAC, and there are times I miss the MAC..... BUT, I would never want to go back to being forced to play home games on Tues/Weds night. That is a deal breaker for me, especially now that Stadium bought the Fox RSNs and we are once again getting solid coverage on Saturdays.

We would lose money and fan interest by playing on Tues/Weds nights.

But you'd have more money though

No we wouldn't. We would lose money through drop in ticket sales, concessions, etc.

Marshall currently gets 400,000$ from tv ( https://www-pilotonline-com.cdn.ampproje...fcc22.html )

The MAC members receive an estimated 833,000$ a year (https://www.crainscleveland.com/article/...id-in-2014 )

I don't think your difference would be THAT much cash. you wouldn't go from selling out to ZERO fans and concessions. You'd lose a couple thousand fans for your final 2 home games. And actually gain revenue from keeping CUSA members as interesting rivalry OOC games.

FYI the $ goes before the amount.
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(10-20-2020 11:23 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  I like the MAC, I respect the MAC, and there are times I miss the MAC..... BUT, I would never want to go back to being forced to play home games on Tues/Weds night. That is a deal breaker for me, especially now that Stadium bought the Fox RSNs and we are once again getting solid coverage on Saturdays.

We would lose money and fan interest by playing on Tues/Weds nights.

But you'd have more money though

No we wouldn't. We would lose money through drop in ticket sales, concessions, etc.

Marshall currently gets 400,000$ from tv ( https://www-pilotonline-com.cdn.ampproje...fcc22.html )

The MAC members receive an estimated 833,000$ a year (https://www.crainscleveland.com/article/...id-in-2014 )

I don't think your difference would be THAT much cash. you wouldn't go from selling out to ZERO fans and concessions. You'd lose a couple thousand fans for your final 2 home games. And actually gain revenue from keeping CUSA members as interesting rivalry OOC games.


So a difference of $433k in TV revenue?

Our average ticket cost is around $35/ticket. Just in ticket sales alone, a drop of 12,371 tickets would be a loss of $433k. For 6 home games thats a difference of 2,062 tickets per game. This is not counting concessions or the invaluable cost of fan engagement.

No thanks. We would definitely lose out in the long run. Our fan base has made it known, we do not wish to play Tues/Weds night games.

There's only a handful of MAC teams that we care about and we can schedule them OOC. Toledo is one of them and I'm disappointed we haven't played you all OOC since leaving the MAC. This is a series we need to make happen.

Meh... Not all of us care.
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RE: ODU might be a good MAC addition all sports
(10-22-2020 08:29 AM)herdfan129 Wrote:  
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(10-21-2020 07:12 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  
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(10-20-2020 11:23 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  I like the MAC, I respect the MAC, and there are times I miss the MAC..... BUT, I would never want to go back to being forced to play home games on Tues/Weds night. That is a deal breaker for me, especially now that Stadium bought the Fox RSNs and we are once again getting solid coverage on Saturdays.

We would lose money and fan interest by playing on Tues/Weds nights.

But you'd have more money though

No we wouldn't. We would lose money through drop in ticket sales, concessions, etc.

Marshall currently gets 400,000$ from tv ( https://www-pilotonline-com.cdn.ampproje...fcc22.html )

The MAC members receive an estimated 833,000$ a year (https://www.crainscleveland.com/article/...id-in-2014 )

I don't think your difference would be THAT much cash. you wouldn't go from selling out to ZERO fans and concessions. You'd lose a couple thousand fans for your final 2 home games. And actually gain revenue from keeping CUSA members as interesting rivalry OOC games.


So a difference of $433k in TV revenue?

Our average ticket cost is around $35/ticket. Just in ticket sales alone, a drop of 12,371 tickets would be a loss of $433k. For 6 home games thats a difference of 2,062 tickets per game. This is not counting concessions or the invaluable cost of fan engagement.

No thanks. We would definitely lose out in the long run. Our fan base has made it known, we do not wish to play Tues/Weds night games.

There's only a handful of MAC teams that we care about and we can schedule them OOC. Toledo is one of them and I'm disappointed we haven't played you all OOC since leaving the MAC. This is a series we need to make happen.

I'd you're schedule is:
App - Saturday
WKU- Saturday
KSU - Saturday
Akron- Saturday
WMU- Wednesday
Ohio- Tuesday

You're losing fans? I see the two weekday games losing in stadium attendance and you drawing 200k for TV. Currently those two games while you are in CUSA you get about 40k on ESPN+ Saturday. And the trade is like I said a couple thousand in stadium.

You can argue that no one in Huntington cares about the MAC schedule as a whole but UTEP and Rice are helping you more??? I disagree.
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RE: ODU might be a good MAC addition all sports
(10-22-2020 02:05 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  
(10-22-2020 08:29 AM)herdfan129 Wrote:  
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(10-21-2020 07:01 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  But you'd have more money though

No we wouldn't. We would lose money through drop in ticket sales, concessions, etc.

Marshall currently gets 400,000$ from tv ( https://www-pilotonline-com.cdn.ampproje...fcc22.html )

The MAC members receive an estimated 833,000$ a year (https://www.crainscleveland.com/article/...id-in-2014 )

I don't think your difference would be THAT much cash. you wouldn't go from selling out to ZERO fans and concessions. You'd lose a couple thousand fans for your final 2 home games. And actually gain revenue from keeping CUSA members as interesting rivalry OOC games.


So a difference of $433k in TV revenue?

Our average ticket cost is around $35/ticket. Just in ticket sales alone, a drop of 12,371 tickets would be a loss of $433k. For 6 home games thats a difference of 2,062 tickets per game. This is not counting concessions or the invaluable cost of fan engagement.

No thanks. We would definitely lose out in the long run. Our fan base has made it known, we do not wish to play Tues/Weds night games.

There's only a handful of MAC teams that we care about and we can schedule them OOC. Toledo is one of them and I'm disappointed we haven't played you all OOC since leaving the MAC. This is a series we need to make happen.

I'd you're schedule is:
App - Saturday
WKU- Saturday
KSU - Saturday
Akron- Saturday
WMU- Wednesday
Ohio- Tuesday

You're losing fans? I see the two weekday games losing in stadium attendance and you drawing 200k for TV. Currently those two games while you are in CUSA you get about 40k on ESPN+ Saturday. And the trade is like I said a couple thousand in stadium.

You can argue that no one in Huntington cares about the MAC schedule as a whole but UTEP and Rice are helping you more??? I disagree.

I think most the losing fans argument stems from the belief that 2 midweek home games will kill season tickets sales. Personally, I don’t believe it would but can certainly understand the worry that comes with the mid-week games. Most of the Marshall core fanbase lives locally and I’d say with a good team we would still draw 20+ thousand.

One thing I didn’t see factored in above is the travel savings from playing in the MAC. You have to add the rough 2 million dollars in travel expense savings to the +$400K in tv money to really see why there would be some interest in making a move back. I’d like to see a Marshall make a move somewhere whether it be the Sun Belt, MAC, or a new conference that includes App State and JMU. We need a change because our fanbase cares Zero about the current CUSA teams we are with, and it was showing in the attendance the last couple years. It just seems things have gone stale. At least that’s my 2 cents.
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(10-22-2020 02:36 PM)HTOWN_HERD Wrote:  
(10-22-2020 02:05 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  
(10-22-2020 08:29 AM)herdfan129 Wrote:  
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(10-21-2020 07:12 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  No we wouldn't. We would lose money through drop in ticket sales, concessions, etc.

Marshall currently gets 400,000$ from tv ( https://www-pilotonline-com.cdn.ampproje...fcc22.html )

The MAC members receive an estimated 833,000$ a year (https://www.crainscleveland.com/article/...id-in-2014 )

I don't think your difference would be THAT much cash. you wouldn't go from selling out to ZERO fans and concessions. You'd lose a couple thousand fans for your final 2 home games. And actually gain revenue from keeping CUSA members as interesting rivalry OOC games.


So a difference of $433k in TV revenue?

Our average ticket cost is around $35/ticket. Just in ticket sales alone, a drop of 12,371 tickets would be a loss of $433k. For 6 home games thats a difference of 2,062 tickets per game. This is not counting concessions or the invaluable cost of fan engagement.

No thanks. We would definitely lose out in the long run. Our fan base has made it known, we do not wish to play Tues/Weds night games.

There's only a handful of MAC teams that we care about and we can schedule them OOC. Toledo is one of them and I'm disappointed we haven't played you all OOC since leaving the MAC. This is a series we need to make happen.

I'd you're schedule is:
App - Saturday
WKU- Saturday
KSU - Saturday
Akron- Saturday
WMU- Wednesday
Ohio- Tuesday

You're losing fans? I see the two weekday games losing in stadium attendance and you drawing 200k for TV. Currently those two games while you are in CUSA you get about 40k on ESPN+ Saturday. And the trade is like I said a couple thousand in stadium.

You can argue that no one in Huntington cares about the MAC schedule as a whole but UTEP and Rice are helping you more??? I disagree.

I think most the losing fans argument stems from the belief that 2 midweek home games will kill season tickets sales. Personally, I don’t believe it would but can certainly understand the worry that comes with the mid-week games. Most of the Marshall core fanbase lives locally and I’d say with a good team we would still draw 20+ thousand.

One thing I didn’t see factored in above is the travel savings from playing in the MAC. You have to add the rough 2 million dollars in travel expense savings to the +$400K in tv money to really see why there would be some interest in making a move back. I’d like to see a Marshall make a move somewhere whether it be the Sun Belt, MAC, or a new conference that includes App State and JMU. We need a change because our fanbase cares Zero about the current CUSA teams we are with, and it was showing in the attendance the last couple years. It just seems things have gone stale. At least that’s my 2 cents.

It's been stale because of our Coach and his boring Don Nehlen ball. Luckily we have a great new QB that has opened up our offence. Saying our fanbase cares Zero about current CUSA teams is unsubstantiated BS. The majority of our Alumni Clubs are in the South East, which means we have a lot of Alumni that get to go to our away games. That didn't happen when we were in the MAC. We need to play where we recruit and play where our Alumni are. We need to cater to the locals (home games) and to our Alumni (in the South East). This increases interest and donations.
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The saving on travel expenses is definitely a good point and argument for joining the MAC.

I know I won't buy season tickets if the schedule includes 2 games on Tues/Weds nights. I'm ok with playing away games on those nights, but not ok with playing home games.
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(10-22-2020 07:19 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  The saving on travel expenses is definitely a good point and argument for joining the MAC.

I know I won't buy season tickets if the schedule includes 2 games on Tues/Weds nights. I'm ok with playing away games on those nights, but not ok with playing home games.

As a whole I understand you probably embody your fanbase, but some of us love MAC football during the week. Some people can't make the games but as a Toledo fan we can draw over 20k if the matchup is right
Even if we have 14,000k it's far better than most atmospheres around the league. It's addition by subtraction for us. Only a few schools in the MAC are like us though. For a Ball State fan, I'd ask are you really pulling thousands more on Saturday in November than Wednesday.... It's November that's the real problem.

You won't catch me saying ESPN+ on a weekend opposed to hundreds of thousands of viewers on a week night is better. Regardless of in fan attendance.
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(10-22-2020 02:58 PM)GreenBison Wrote:  It's been stale because of our Coach and his boring Don Nehlen ball.

Hey. Watch your mouth.

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(10-22-2020 07:19 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  The saving on travel expenses is definitely a good point and argument for joining the MAC.

I know I won't buy season tickets if the schedule includes 2 games on Tues/Weds nights. I'm ok with playing away games on those nights, but not ok with playing home games.

As a whole I understand you probably embody your fanbase, but some of us love MAC football during the week. Some people can't make the games but as a Toledo fan we can draw over 20k if the matchup is right
Even if we have 14,000k it's far better than most atmospheres around the league. It's addition by subtraction for us. Only a few schools in the MAC are like us though. For a Ball State fan, I'd ask are you really pulling thousands more on Saturday in November than Wednesday.... It's November that's the real problem.

You won't catch me saying ESPN+ on a weekend opposed to hundreds of thousands of viewers on a week night is better. Regardless of in fan attendance.


Yeah but here's the problem. The best teams and games always get stuck on those Tues/Weds night games. It wouldn't bother me as much to play Ball St/EMU etc on those nights.

We both know we would get stuck playing Toledo, Western Michigan, etc on those nights.

The best games always get stuck on those nights because that's who TV wants to showcase.
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(10-22-2020 07:19 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  The saving on travel expenses is definitely a good point and argument for joining the MAC.

I know I won't buy season tickets if the schedule includes 2 games on Tues/Weds nights. I'm ok with playing away games on those nights, but not ok with playing home games.

As a whole I understand you probably embody your fanbase, but some of us love MAC football during the week. Some people can't make the games but as a Toledo fan we can draw over 20k if the matchup is right
Even if we have 14,000k it's far better than most atmospheres around the league. It's addition by subtraction for us. Only a few schools in the MAC are like us though. For a Ball State fan, I'd ask are you really pulling thousands more on Saturday in November than Wednesday.... It's November that's the real problem.

You won't catch me saying ESPN+ on a weekend opposed to hundreds of thousands of viewers on a week night is better. Regardless of in fan attendance.


Yeah but here's the problem. The best teams and games always get stuck on those Tues/Weds night games. It wouldn't bother me as much to play Ball St/EMU etc on those nights.

We both know we would get stuck playing Toledo, Western Michigan, etc on those nights.

The best games always get stuck on those nights because that's who TV wants to showcase.

Right... Which makes it worth the exposure as the only game on in America. And also why the good teams still pull on that week night. Marshall vs. Ohio or Miami would be rowdy on Wednesday night.
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I can remember being at those mid-week MAC games back in the day. We still have 25K at those games and I’d like to think we could still pull that off. The other Marshall posters have a point though, we were only playing those games once a season. Nothing like the 4 games you all are doing now. It may very well kill the season ticket holders, there’s just no way to really know. Being the only game on those nights makes for good exposure , but I sure wouldn’t do it for ESPNU or ESPNNEWS. I’d want to be on ESPN or ESPN2, otherwise you are really not getting anything out of it.
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(10-23-2020 06:36 PM)HTOWN_HERD Wrote:  I can remember being at those mid-week MAC games back in the day. We still have 25K at those games and I’d like to think we could still pull that off. The other Marshall posters have a point though, we were only playing those games once a season. Nothing like the 4 games you all are doing now. It may very well kill the season ticket holders, there’s just no way to really know. Being the only game on those nights makes for good exposure , but I sure wouldn’t do it for ESPNU or ESPNNEWS. I’d want to be on ESPN or ESPN2, otherwise you are really not getting anything out of it.

1 home game per year is the absolute max. Also don't forget that Marshall fans actually travel. We can't travel to these close games for a Tues/Weds night.
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Uh, we drew 30,000+ for Toledo on the Thursday before I married my future ex-wife. Not buying it.
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(10-23-2020 11:24 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  Uh, we drew 30,000+ for Toledo on the Thursday before I married my future ex-wife. Not buying it.

That was my very first Marshall game in person. I became a Marshall football addict after that haha. Agree though, Marshall has a lot of fans in the local area and just like any other school, if we are winning and have some exciting players people will show up.
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(10-23-2020 10:36 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  
(10-23-2020 06:36 PM)HTOWN_HERD Wrote:  I can remember being at those mid-week MAC games back in the day. We still have 25K at those games and I’d like to think we could still pull that off. The other Marshall posters have a point though, we were only playing those games once a season. Nothing like the 4 games you all are doing now. It may very well kill the season ticket holders, there’s just no way to really know. Being the only game on those nights makes for good exposure , but I sure wouldn’t do it for ESPNU or ESPNNEWS. I’d want to be on ESPN or ESPN2, otherwise you are really not getting anything out of it.

1 home game per year is the absolute max. Also don't forget that Marshall fans actually travel. We can't travel to these close games for a Tues/Weds night.

This is an excellent point that I really didn’t think about. If those 2 midweek away games were at Ohio or Miami it would kill our fans from being able to travel. Normally we would take thousands to those games if played on a Saturday.
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(10-23-2020 11:24 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  Uh, we drew 30,000+ for Toledo on the Thursday before I married my future ex-wife. Not buying it.


Thursday and Friday night games are much different that Tues/Weds.
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Yes, Thursday night games are miles different from Tuesday-Wednesday night games as it relates to the school or work week. I’ve had season tickets and don’t mind an 8 hour round trip on the weekends but midweek games squashed that. There’s no way I’m taking off two days to travel and see a Tuesday-Wednesday and return to work to finish up the work week.
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(10-24-2020 10:15 AM)Polish Hammer Wrote:  Yes, Thursday night games are miles different from Tuesday-Wednesday night games as it relates to the school or work week. I’ve had season tickets and don’t mind an 8 hour round trip on the weekends but midweek games squashed that. There’s no way I’m taking off two days to travel and see a Tuesday-Wednesday and return to work to finish up the work week.

Even Wed./Thurs. tv slots would be more acceptable with the stipulation that that there would be a fair dispersement on the ESPN and ESPN2 channels as opposed to more ESPN3 and ESPN+ streaming...
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(10-23-2020 10:36 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  
(10-23-2020 06:36 PM)HTOWN_HERD Wrote:  I can remember being at those mid-week MAC games back in the day. We still have 25K at those games and I’d like to think we could still pull that off. The other Marshall posters have a point though, we were only playing those games once a season. Nothing like the 4 games you all are doing now. It may very well kill the season ticket holders, there’s just no way to really know. Being the only game on those nights makes for good exposure , but I sure wouldn’t do it for ESPNU or ESPNNEWS. I’d want to be on ESPN or ESPN2, otherwise you are really not getting anything out of it.

1 home game per year is the absolute max. Also don't forget that Marshall fans actually travel. We can't travel to these close games for a Tues/Weds night.

Agree. And no one else will travel either.
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