As an Indiana fan, the Big Ten's decision is very disappointing. The Hoosiers were looking at a possible nine-win season. For IU football, such a record would be the equivalent of a national title.

Chris Long
@ChrisLongKSTP
The factual answer colleges can't give to parent groups livid about the fall postponement:

"Some of us are actually concerned about the kids' health, even if we're not 100% certain we need to be.

...but what we do know with 100% certainty is you'd sue us if it went sideways."

https://www.alcoholrehabguide.org/resour...hol-abuse/

https://www.niaaa.nih.gov/publications/b...statistics

Each year:

“1,825 college students between the ages of 18 and 24 die from alcohol-related unintentional injuries, including motor-vehicle crashes.” “Roughly 20 percent of college students meet the criteria for Alcohol Use Disorder.”

How many schools have shut down campuses due to risk of student alcohol abuse? How many have shut down athletics due to risk of student alcohol abuse despite proven data and known risks? What about CTE in football players and that known risk?

Select universities have accepted the risk of COVID, rightly or wrongly, is too high for college sports, yet those same schools have never shut down campuses over higher risk of alcohol abuse (and other negative effects on student safety) on campuses. Choosing to isolate young adults will unquestionably increase odds of alcohol and drug abuse, not to mention negatively impact mental health of an entire generation of young adults.

We very much appear to be selectively choosing (and making stakeholders accept) which known risks to attempt to lower (we can never eliminate) while choosing to ignore or discard others. Doesn’t seem like a wise or responsible decision to me, especially when you’re eliminating the decision and choice of known stakeholders involved.

(08-16-2020 10:02 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  

(08-16-2020 08:50 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  There are a lot of medical experts from doctors from these schools are trying to tell the parents any others in these Tweets the Big 10 did the right thing to postponing. Some parents who signed this already changed their minds to glad the season is postponed. For all you quacks on here who think they know medicine are completely wrong. Postponing sports this fall is the safest thing to do.

There are a plethora of medical “experts” from these schools, as well as others, that have data and scientific conclusion that states what the B1G (and others) did (by postponing) was based upon flawed data and nonsensical numbers. Other parents and families have become more agitated and frustrated that they were never consulted or asked about what they, the families, wanted to do.

You can call those that disagree with you or your predetermined judgments as “quacks” but the reality is there is competing scientific data and conclusions, from both sides of this debate. As a result, it makes it all the more important to allow individuals to choose the level of risk they want to accept to engage in activities they want to.

Postponing sports, in your mind, is the safest thing to do. That is your view, and your right to think and feel that way. However, there are thousands of athletes right now, not to mention their families, that, according to other data, feel otherwise. It is not anyone’s place to deny another’s pursuits, given the contradictory conclusions (especially when these schools that deem it to unsafe to play sports are the same ones bringing back thousands of students in coming days and weeks). We can’t have it both ways.

These college age kids do not do these things.

1.Refuse to practice safe distancing by partying all over the place spreading the virus which includes protesting.

2.Refusing to wear masks.

3.Refuse to quarantine.


These football players are just the same like any other college students refusing to listen to the guidelines to be safe. That is why we got so many outbreaks among college football players.

As for those you talk about as experts? They have old data, and the new data shows it is worst than they think it is.

(08-16-2020 10:59 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(08-16-2020 10:02 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  

(08-16-2020 08:50 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  There are a lot of medical experts from doctors from these schools are trying to tell the parents any others in these Tweets the Big 10 did the right thing to postponing. Some parents who signed this already changed their minds to glad the season is postponed. For all you quacks on here who think they know medicine are completely wrong. Postponing sports this fall is the safest thing to do.

There are a plethora of medical “experts” from these schools, as well as others, that have data and scientific conclusion that states what the B1G (and others) did (by postponing) was based upon flawed data and nonsensical numbers. Other parents and families have become more agitated and frustrated that they were never consulted or asked about what they, the families, wanted to do.

You can call those that disagree with you or your predetermined judgments as “quacks” but the reality is there is competing scientific data and conclusions, from both sides of this debate. As a result, it makes it all the more important to allow individuals to choose the level of risk they want to accept to engage in activities they want to.

Postponing sports, in your mind, is the safest thing to do. That is your view, and your right to think and feel that way. However, there are thousands of athletes right now, not to mention their families, that, according to other data, feel otherwise. It is not anyone’s place to deny another’s pursuits, given the contradictory conclusions (especially when these schools that deem it to unsafe to play sports are the same ones bringing back thousands of students in coming days and weeks). We can’t have it both ways.

These college age kids do not do these things.

1.Refuse to practice safe distancing by partying all over the place spreading the virus which includes protesting.

2.Refusing to wear masks.

3.Refuse to quarantine.


These football players are just the same like any other college students refusing to listen to the guidelines to be safe. That is why we got so many outbreaks among college football players.

As for those you talk about as experts? They have old data, and the new data shows it is worst than they think it is.

Notre Dame Football, just one example, has had a combined four COVID tests since June, way, way, way below the national average, as well as average for that particular age group.

Boston College has administered nearly 800 COVID tests to football players, coaches and staff with only one positive test.

In Texas, 278 HS athletes test positive for COVID-19 (65k HS student-athletes were tested). O.43% of athletes test positive. 4 cases traced to practice. 4 athletes hospitalized. 0 deaths.

I’m sorry, but you’re generalizing and sensationalizing one train of thought and universally expanding it to speak and represent the entire structure of college athletics. The opinions you have clearly generalized - “all college kids refuse to follow guidelines, wear mask, etc” - is simply not true or accurate. There are examples that contradict your personal opinions and viewpoints.

And the experts you immediately refute and disagree with is, once again, inaccurate. A University of Michigan cardiologist rejected and disagreed with the findings the B1G used to support cancelling the football season. This was in the past 72 hours - hardly outdated.

https://www.outkick.com/university-of-mi...el-season/

^^^^
From GoldenWarrior11's link...

Quote:University of Michigan cardiologist Dr. Venk Murthy is questioning data used by the Big Ten to cancel its fall sports season. “It could be reasonable to cancel, just not on the basis of this paper which is highlighted extensively,” Murthy, professor of Preventive Cardiology at The UM Samuel and Jean Frankel Cardiovascular Center, tweeted in reference to a paper being relied upon by the Big Ten. Murthy and Darrel Francis, Professor of Cardiology at the National Heart and Lung Institute at Imperial College in London have laid out why the Big Ten shouldn’t be using the flawed paper as basis for cancellation.

“If we as a profession are happy to retweet gibberish, we can’t blame universities, sports associations and governments for talking nonsense,” Francis said about the paper in question.

Murthy concludes the paper being used by the Big Ten shouldn’t have been used. “Bad statistics and lots of moderate to severe effusions, LGE, etc in their controls means to me it is a paper that we should put little stock in this paper, regardless,” he wrote on Twitter.

The B1G has opened itself up to some legitimate questioning. Again, what was the hurry to outright cancel the season in lieu of pushing it back a few more weeks? Was it fear of liability risk? Did they want to show "leadership" by being the first P5 to pull the plug figuring everyone else would follow their example? This is not a good look and I'm sure more questions will be forthcoming...

(08-15-2020 05:57 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  Sadly these parents don’t understand that some posters here seem to know what’s best for their children. Probably call them evil for wanting their kids to play football

“A group of Ohio State football players’ parents Saturday joined parents of players at Iowa in calling for the Big Ten to overturn its decision not to play this fall because of the pandemic.

Meanwhile, Oklahoma coach Lincoln Riley said nine Sooners tested positive for COVID-19 after he gave his players a week break from team activities.

The Football Parents at Ohio State posted on social media a letter to Big Ten Commissioner Kevin Warren, calling for the reinstatement of the 10-game schedule the conference unveiled six days before it postponed football until spring.

“We believe that the protocols put in place by Ohio State Athletics has provided an extremely safe environment for our players to prepare for the season,” the letter said.“

https://fox11online.com/sports/college/b...08-15-2020

Nebraska football parents letter...