(08-13-2020 03:36 PM)Sicembear11 Wrote:  

(08-13-2020 01:18 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  Nothing stopping Arky from leaving the SEC but their interest in the B12 is still what it’s always been: zero. You’ll never convince the Hogs to join a league that’s totally subservient to the whims of the school they detest the most.

I think you’ve overstated the disinterest. There is a portion of the fan base ...

However, the interest of the fan base is not the same as the interest of the Razorbacks themselves in going to the Big12, and it's reasonable to suppose that the interest of the institution is indeed zero.

Sad when hog fans can travel to Ft Worth, Stillwater, Manhattan, Waco, Norman all within a 5 hour drive.. yet it's a 9 hour drive to Baton Rouge, nearly the same for College station.. But yeah zero interest.

B12 would need to get a new TV deal for 15 mil more per school. Then Nebraska might throw them an ear.

(08-15-2020 06:47 AM)Thiefery Wrote:  Sad when hog fans can travel to Ft Worth, Stillwater, Manhattan, Waco, Norman all within a 5 hour drive.. yet it's a 9 hour drive to Baton Rouge, nearly the same for College station.. But yeah zero interest.

Remember, most of those schools you mention were Big 8 schools at the time that Arkansas joined the SEC, and Arkansas didn't leave the Big 8, or Big 12, it left the SWC. Arkansas and Oklahoma, despite their closeness, have only played 15 times in football. Arkansas and Oklahoma State have not played in 40 years.

Arkansas left the SWC, a conference it had been a member of for 75 years. So if it was willing to leave that tight-knit situation, it is unlikely they much interest in joining a Big 12 that has many schools their fan base has few if any ties to.

(08-15-2020 07:34 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-15-2020 06:47 AM)Thiefery Wrote:  Sad when hog fans can travel to Ft Worth, Stillwater, Manhattan, Waco, Norman all within a 5 hour drive.. yet it's a 9 hour drive to Baton Rouge, nearly the same for College station.. But yeah zero interest.

Remember, most of those schools you mention were Big 8 schools at the time that Arkansas joined the SEC, and Arkansas didn't leave the Big 8, or Big 12, it left the SWC. Arkansas and Oklahoma, despite their closeness, have only played 15 times in football. Arkansas and Oklahoma State have not played in 40 years.

Arkansas left the SWC, a conference it had been a member of for 75 years. So if it was willing to leave that tight-knit situation, it is unlikely they much interest in joining a Big 12 that has many schools their fan base has few if any ties to.

I'm in complete agreement that Arkansas is not going to the Big 12, but for argument's sake, others have left behind longtime rivals for other conferences. West Virginia left all their eastern rivals for the Big 12, home of no one they shared much history with. Nebraska lefts their Big Eight rivals for the Big Ten. Colorado did the same, except to the Pac-12.

It's doubtful that Nebraska will leave the B1G (or even attempt it) this year.
But if the numbers being thrown around for 1) B1G distributions vs Big 12 and 2) losses suffered by the school (Nebraska) and local businesses around Lincoln (even for one year) are accurate......the one year losses of #2 exceed the revenue differences of #1 by twentyfold.

As a college president, not only would this get my attention, I am sure I would be hearing from BMD's and locals questioning past decisions.
The break may not come right away, but the seed has been planted.
You can be sure the financing will be in place through ESPN when necessary.

(08-15-2020 07:50 AM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  

(08-15-2020 07:34 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-15-2020 06:47 AM)Thiefery Wrote:  Sad when hog fans can travel to Ft Worth, Stillwater, Manhattan, Waco, Norman all within a 5 hour drive.. yet it's a 9 hour drive to Baton Rouge, nearly the same for College station.. But yeah zero interest.

Remember, most of those schools you mention were Big 8 schools at the time that Arkansas joined the SEC, and Arkansas didn't leave the Big 8, or Big 12, it left the SWC. Arkansas and Oklahoma, despite their closeness, have only played 15 times in football. Arkansas and Oklahoma State have not played in 40 years.

Arkansas left the SWC, a conference it had been a member of for 75 years. So if it was willing to leave that tight-knit situation, it is unlikely they much interest in joining a Big 12 that has many schools their fan base has few if any ties to.

I'm in complete agreement that Arkansas is not going to the Big 12, but for argument's sake, others have left behind longtime rivals for other conferences. West Virginia left all their eastern rivals for the Big 12, home of no one they shared much history with. Nebraska lefts their Big Eight rivals for the Big Ten. Colorado did the same, except to the Pac-12.

No question ... in fact Arkansas did it themselves in 1991, leaving the SWC, a conference it had been a member of for 75 years, for the SEC, a conference where it had very little ties with, save some with LSU and Ole Miss.

But usually there is some big compelling reason to jump, like a lot more money, or fear that the current conference is collapsing, etc. Neither of which applies to the SEC.

If anything, the SEC is more of a "home" now than it was 30 years ago, what with the additions of Texas AM and Missouri, and the Big 12 is less so, thanks to the loss of Texas AM and the addition of many schools it has no historical ties with.

Of the 15 schools that Arkansas has played the most times in football, seven are in the SEC, five are in the Big 12.

Of the 9 schools that Arkansas has played at least 60 times, three are in the SEC, three in the Big 12, and three in the G5 (SMU, Rice, Tulsa).

The ties just aren't there like they used to be.

(08-12-2020 11:08 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-12-2020 11:03 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(08-12-2020 11:01 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-12-2020 10:57 AM)NJ2MDTerp Wrote:  I'd swing for the fences and send invitations to Nebraska, Colorado, Utah (or BYU) and Arizona.

I would too. Why not?

Not going to happen, and it is too late to transfer anyways.

Probably not, by why not send out the invitations?

You never know, and it would serve the B1G and PAC right for bowing to the covid overreactors.

From an Athletic article:

Jonathan Drezner, one of the doctors on the Zoom call, is the director of the University of Washington Medicine Center for Sports Cardiology. He told The Seattle Times, “We’re hearing from colleagues at other Power 5 institutions who are finding cases of myocarditis in their athletes who had asymptomatic or mild (COVID-19) infections. It has really raised a concern within the medical community that there’s just a lot of unanswered questions that we need to learn more about as we think about sports.”

Just saying, but as the uncle of a senior PAC-12 football player I trust the Docs at PAC-12, Big 10, and Ivy League schools way more than politically ignored Docs or University of Mississippi Docs.

Nebraska needs to leave the Big 10, but not for the B12.

Nebraska needs to cajole Oklahoma, Kansas, and Texas to go with them to the SEC.

An 18 team SEC that has a 4 school playoff for the SEC title is the highest profit maximization in my opinion

SEC - West: Texas, TAMU, OU, Kansas, Nebraska, Mizzou
SEC - South: Arkansas, LSU, Ole Miss, MSU, Bama, TN
SEC - East: UK, Vandy, SC, Georgia, Auburn, Florida

Each school gets one permanent rival - TN/Vandy, Bama/Aub, Ark/Texas, LSU/TAMU, etc., etc. - then they rotate through the others.

Using last year as an example you would have OU hosting Georgia, and LSU hosting Bama (the wildcard).

This structure allows Disney to hurt the Big 10 because I think Disney would pay to replicate it in the ACC and divisions of 6 would facilitate bringing in ND, Penn State, and two more B10 schools that are outliers or little brothers tired of Michigan or Indiana. The ACC could live with any Big 10 school with the exception of Michigan. Ohio State would also be tough but not nearly as bad as Michigan.

(08-15-2020 10:07 AM)Sactowndog Wrote:  

(08-12-2020 11:08 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-12-2020 11:03 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(08-12-2020 11:01 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-12-2020 10:57 AM)NJ2MDTerp Wrote:  I'd swing for the fences and send invitations to Nebraska, Colorado, Utah (or BYU) and Arizona.

I would too. Why not?

Not going to happen, and it is too late to transfer anyways.

Probably not, by why not send out the invitations?

You never know, and it would serve the B1G and PAC right for bowing to the covid overreactors.

From an Athletic article:

Jonathan Drezner, one of the doctors on the Zoom call, is the director of the University of Washington Medicine Center for Sports Cardiology. He told The Seattle Times, “We’re hearing from colleagues at other Power 5 institutions who are finding cases of myocarditis in their athletes who had asymptomatic or mild (COVID-19) infections. It has really raised a concern within the medical community that there’s just a lot of unanswered questions that we need to learn more about as we think about sports.”

Just saying, but as the uncle of a senior PAC-12 football player I trust the Docs at PAC-12, Big 10, and Ivy League schools way more than politically ignored Docs or University of Mississippi Docs.

How does playing football cause the myocarditis?

Does football cause myocarditis more than sex or jogging?

What else causes myocarditis?

Web MD Causes of Myocarditis:

Coxsackie B viruses
Epstein-Barr virus (EBV)
Cytomegalovirus (CMV)
Hepatitis C
Herpes
HIV
Parvovirus
Chlamydia (a common sexually transmitted disease)
Mycoplasma (bacteria that cause a lung infection)
Streptococcal (strep) bacteria
Staphylococcal (staph) bacteria
Treponema (the cause of syphilis)
Borrelia (the cause of Lyme disease)
Fungal and parasitic infections can also cause it.

Other causes include certain chemicals or allergic reactions to medications or toxins like:


Alcohol
Drugs
Lead
Spider bites
Wasp stings
Snakebites
Chemotherapy and radiation therapy
An autoimmune disease that causes inflammation throughout your body, like lupus or rheumatoid arthritis, may also lead to myocarditis.

So are we cancelling football to protect players from COVID or to protect them from the Herpes, HPV, HIV, Hep C, Chlamydia, Staphy, Strep, etc.?

(08-15-2020 10:13 AM)Statefan Wrote:  

(08-15-2020 10:07 AM)Sactowndog Wrote:  

(08-12-2020 11:08 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-12-2020 11:03 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(08-12-2020 11:01 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  I would too. Why not?

Not going to happen, and it is too late to transfer anyways.

Probably not, by why not send out the invitations?

You never know, and it would serve the B1G and PAC right for bowing to the covid overreactors.

From an Athletic article:

Jonathan Drezner, one of the doctors on the Zoom call, is the director of the University of Washington Medicine Center for Sports Cardiology. He told The Seattle Times, “We’re hearing from colleagues at other Power 5 institutions who are finding cases of myocarditis in their athletes who had asymptomatic or mild (COVID-19) infections. It has really raised a concern within the medical community that there’s just a lot of unanswered questions that we need to learn more about as we think about sports.”

Just saying, but as the uncle of a senior PAC-12 football player I trust the Docs at PAC-12, Big 10, and Ivy League schools way more than politically ignored Docs or University of Mississippi Docs.

How does playing football cause the myocarditis?

Does football cause myocarditis more than sex or jogging?

What else causes myocarditis?

Web MD Causes of Myocarditis:

Coxsackie B viruses
Epstein-Barr virus (EBV)
Cytomegalovirus (CMV)
Hepatitis C
Herpes
HIV
Parvovirus
Chlamydia (a common sexually transmitted disease)
Mycoplasma (bacteria that cause a lung infection)
Streptococcal (strep) bacteria
Staphylococcal (staph) bacteria
Treponema (the cause of syphilis)
Borrelia (the cause of Lyme disease)
Fungal and parasitic infections can also cause it.

Other causes include certain chemicals or allergic reactions to medications or toxins like:


Alcohol
Drugs
Lead
Spider bites
Wasp stings
Snakebites
Chemotherapy and radiation therapy
An autoimmune disease that causes inflammation throughout your body, like lupus or rheumatoid arthritis, may also lead to myocarditis.

So are we cancelling football to protect players from COVID or to protect them from the Herpes, HPV, HIV, Hep C, Chlamydia, Staphy, Strep, etc.?

I think point was they are finding it in mild and asymptomatic cases. Not just acute cases.

(08-15-2020 07:50 AM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  

(08-15-2020 07:34 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-15-2020 06:47 AM)Thiefery Wrote:  Sad when hog fans can travel to Ft Worth, Stillwater, Manhattan, Waco, Norman all within a 5 hour drive.. yet it's a 9 hour drive to Baton Rouge, nearly the same for College station.. But yeah zero interest.

Remember, most of those schools you mention were Big 8 schools at the time that Arkansas joined the SEC, and Arkansas didn't leave the Big 8, or Big 12, it left the SWC. Arkansas and Oklahoma, despite their closeness, have only played 15 times in football. Arkansas and Oklahoma State have not played in 40 years.

Arkansas left the SWC, a conference it had been a member of for 75 years. So if it was willing to leave that tight-knit situation, it is unlikely they much interest in joining a Big 12 that has many schools their fan base has few if any ties to.

I'm in complete agreement that Arkansas is not going to the Big 12, but for argument's sake, others have left behind longtime rivals for other conferences. West Virginia left all their eastern rivals for the Big 12, home of no one they shared much history with. Nebraska lefts their Big Eight rivals for the Big Ten. Colorado did the same, except to the Pac-12.

WVU didn’t want to leave their rivals... they had no choice. Neither the ACC nor the Big 10 wanted them. The Big East collapsed and the Big 12 threw them a lifeline. WVU even had to stave off a coup by Louisville who petitioned the conference to add them instead. The Big East even threatened legal action if WVU left prior to the two year notice bylaw. WVU gave them the finger.

They were either going to increase travel a ton or be a member of the AAC.

(08-15-2020 10:37 AM)Sactowndog Wrote:  

(08-15-2020 10:13 AM)Statefan Wrote:  So are we cancelling football to protect players from COVID or to protect them from the Herpes, HPV, HIV, Hep C, Chlamydia, Staphy, Strep, etc.?

I think point was they are finding it in mild and asymptomatic cases. Not just acute cases.

Because they are looking for it. Why would you even test an asymptomatic or mild case for myocarditis? You know what else causes myocarditis? Influenza.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-cond...c-20352539

From the article:
Viruses. Many viruses are commonly associated with myocarditis, including the viruses that cause the common cold (adenovirus); COVID-19; hepatitis B and C; parvovirus, which causes a mild rash, usually in children (fifth disease); and herpes simplex virus.

Gastrointestinal infections (echoviruses), mononucleosis (Epstein-Barr virus) and German measles (rubella) also can cause myocarditis. It's also common in people with HIV, the virus that causes AIDS."

I wonder what would happen if we started looking for myocarditis in asymptomatic or mild flu infections?

The important question is "what percentage of infections are getting clinically significant myocarditis"? And the really important question would be "is that number different than those that get myocarditis from adenovirus or influenza with similar severity of infection? We'll never know because we aren't testing asymptomatic or mild flu/cold infections for myocarditis.

Nebraska would get money from the Big 12, but only when UT gets serious again on the football field and the conference builds some value prior to the next TV cycle. Big 12 football is unwatchable unless you like Arena League. And fantasy college football is not really a thing. The product is just not appealing to the eye as a late afternoon SEC or prime time B1G game aside from the regional bias.

I think they need East Coast exposure so UCF and USF make some sense. But if they are somehow able to lure Nebraska and maybe a UC for 12, you have a nice North division again with KU/KSU, UC, WVU, UN, ISU. Nebraska would have an inside track to the conference championship without the likes of competing with Wisconsin and Iowa.

B1G can back fill with Pitt or Mizzou or go divisionless at 13.

(08-15-2020 01:53 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  Big 12 football is unwatchable

Other way. BXII football is the most exciting football in the country.

(08-15-2020 10:37 AM)Sactowndog Wrote:  

(08-15-2020 10:13 AM)Statefan Wrote:  

(08-15-2020 10:07 AM)Sactowndog Wrote:  

(08-12-2020 11:08 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-12-2020 11:03 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Not going to happen, and it is too late to transfer anyways.

Probably not, by why not send out the invitations?

You never know, and it would serve the B1G and PAC right for bowing to the covid overreactors.

From an Athletic article:

Jonathan Drezner, one of the doctors on the Zoom call, is the director of the University of Washington Medicine Center for Sports Cardiology. He told The Seattle Times, “We’re hearing from colleagues at other Power 5 institutions who are finding cases of myocarditis in their athletes who had asymptomatic or mild (COVID-19) infections. It has really raised a concern within the medical community that there’s just a lot of unanswered questions that we need to learn more about as we think about sports.”

Just saying, but as the uncle of a senior PAC-12 football player I trust the Docs at PAC-12, Big 10, and Ivy League schools way more than politically ignored Docs or University of Mississippi Docs.

How does playing football cause the myocarditis?

Does football cause myocarditis more than sex or jogging?

What else causes myocarditis?

Web MD Causes of Myocarditis:

Coxsackie B viruses
Epstein-Barr virus (EBV)
Cytomegalovirus (CMV)
Hepatitis C
Herpes
HIV
Parvovirus
Chlamydia (a common sexually transmitted disease)
Mycoplasma (bacteria that cause a lung infection)
Streptococcal (strep) bacteria
Staphylococcal (staph) bacteria
Treponema (the cause of syphilis)
Borrelia (the cause of Lyme disease)
Fungal and parasitic infections can also cause it.

Other causes include certain chemicals or allergic reactions to medications or toxins like:


Alcohol
Drugs
Lead
Spider bites
Wasp stings
Snakebites
Chemotherapy and radiation therapy
An autoimmune disease that causes inflammation throughout your body, like lupus or rheumatoid arthritis, may also lead to myocarditis.

So are we cancelling football to protect players from COVID or to protect them from the Herpes, HPV, HIV, Hep C, Chlamydia, Staphy, Strep, etc.?

I think point was they are finding it in mild and asymptomatic cases. Not just acute cases.

Actually the point is that you can find it in association with any one of three dozen maladies that are common among college students.

(08-15-2020 02:02 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

(08-15-2020 01:53 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  Big 12 football is unwatchable

Other way. BXII football is the most exciting football in the country.

Exciting in the eye of the beholder, but outside of an exciting but defenseless Rose Bowl a couple years back, OU has been non competitive in the playoffs. So I think the only reason Nebraska goes back is so they have an easier road as a P5 champ with comparable money.

A better question to ask is what can the Nebraska brass be doing to warm up the Big Ten presidents and Oklahoma’s president to the idea of Oklahoma joining the Big Ten in 2024 with another Big 8 legacy school as the 16th member.

Bringing in Oklahoma would not only restore an important rivalry for Nebraska but also strengthen the Big Ten West competitively and add value to the overall conference television package.

(08-15-2020 07:24 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  B12 would need to get a new TV deal for 15 mil more per school. Then Nebraska might throw them an ear.

The Big 12 doesn't need Nebraska. If anything, the Dumbhuskers should be crawling back on hands and knees to the Big 12.

(08-15-2020 03:53 PM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  

(08-15-2020 07:24 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  B12 would need to get a new TV deal for 15 mil more per school. Then Nebraska might throw them an ear.

The Big 12 doesn't need Nebraska. If anything, the Dumbhuskers should be crawling back on hands and knees to the Big 12.

BXII would take a school top-10 in *both* FB and BB attendance in a hot
minute. Oklahoma, who’d be in the cockpit, would be pushing hard for Nebraska’s admittance. It would guarantee them one marquee rivalry home game each year - Bedlam or Nebraska - in addition to the Red River Shootout.