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RE: If schools & conferences reevaluate FB programs
(08-09-2020 01:32 PM)pki1998 Wrote:  Honestly the MAC should move down to FCS. When you have a school like Kent State who schedules three body bag games a year just so they can be FBS you have a problem. My take on what a FCS MAC would look like

Ohio
Kent St/Akron - The state of Ohio should combine these schools along with Northeast Ohio Medical.
Bowling Green
Toledo
Miami (OH)
Eastern Michigan
Central Michigan
Western Michigan
Ball State
Youngstown State - From OVC/Horizion
Indiana State - From MVC

Gives them a 11 teams, as you can see this leaves out Buffalo and Northern Illinois

Buffalo - Since Buffalo is the flagship of the SUNY system, I think they should stay FBS. The best place for them would be the AAC, but I don’t think they would be invited. Assuming no AAC invite their best bet would be joining the A10 for olympics (joining state flagships UMass and RI) and become an independent in football. Probably could get a scheduling alliance with UConn, UMass, and Army.

Northern Illinois - probably better suited for the MVC/MVFC. Basically a straight up trade for Indiana State to put FCS teams from the same state in the same conferences.

I'd just as soon keep Ohio FBS, and Miami-Oh too. Ohio is a flagship, and Miami-Oh has history. Akron and Kent probably do need to be merged, especially since Akron has been bleeding $$ all over the place. To be honest, Bowling Green and Toledo probably need to be merged as well, although it would not feel right for all parties involved.

I'd merge EMU with Oakland or Wayne State.
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RE: If schools & conferences reevaluate FB programs
(08-09-2020 10:34 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  
(08-09-2020 01:32 PM)pki1998 Wrote:  Honestly the MAC should move down to FCS. When you have a school like Kent State who schedules three body bag games a year just so they can be FBS you have a problem. My take on what a FCS MAC would look like

Ohio
Kent St/Akron - The state of Ohio should combine these schools along with Northeast Ohio Medical.
Bowling Green
Toledo
Miami (OH)
Eastern Michigan
Central Michigan
Western Michigan
Ball State
Youngstown State - From OVC/Horizion
Indiana State - From MVC

Gives them a 11 teams, as you can see this leaves out Buffalo and Northern Illinois

Buffalo - Since Buffalo is the flagship of the SUNY system, I think they should stay FBS. The best place for them would be the AAC, but I don’t think they would be invited. Assuming no AAC invite their best bet would be joining the A10 for olympics (joining state flagships UMass and RI) and become an independent in football. Probably could get a scheduling alliance with UConn, UMass, and Army.

Northern Illinois - probably better suited for the MVC/MVFC. Basically a straight up trade for Indiana State to put FCS teams from the same state in the same conferences.

I'd just as soon keep Ohio FBS, and Miami-Oh too. Ohio is a flagship, and Miami-Oh has history. Akron and Kent probably do need to be merged, especially since Akron has been bleeding $$ all over the place. To be honest, Bowling Green and Toledo probably need to be merged as well, although it would not feel right for all parties involved.

I'd merge EMU with Oakland or Wayne State.

Ohio University is not a flagship.
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(08-09-2020 03:31 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  
(08-09-2020 02:22 PM)bullet Wrote:  Note that of the bottom 24, only San Jose is in the MWC or AAC.
Of the 36 below 20k, there are 5 MWC and 2 AAC.

Above 20k, there are 6 CUSA, 3 Sun Belt and 1 MAC.

Corrected: 1 is in the AAC (Tulsa). Uconn now is an independent. (I know when you wrote the post, Uconn was still in the conference...)
Tulsa and Tulane are both below 20k (Although I expect Tulane’s to increase in the next few years)
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(08-09-2020 03:35 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  Those left behind will find it much easier without P5 to set the rules to more financially prudent arrangement for themselves, even moving to a no athletic scholarship model (which would get them out from under the courts for the most part).

The courts do not care about scholarships. Ask Brown University.
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RE: If schools & conferences reevaluate FB programs
(08-09-2020 01:45 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  
(08-09-2020 01:32 PM)pki1998 Wrote:  Honestly the MAC should move down to FCS. When you have a school like Kent State who schedules three body bag games a year just so they can be FBS you have a problem. My take on what a FCS MAC would look like

Ohio
Kent St/Akron - The state of Ohio should combine these schools along with Northeast Ohio Medical.
Bowling Green
Toledo
Miami (OH)
Eastern Michigan
Central Michigan
Western Michigan
Ball State
Youngstown State - From OVC/Horizion
Indiana State - From MVC

Gives them a 11 teams, as you can see this leaves out Buffalo and Northern Illinois

Buffalo - Since Buffalo is the flagship of the SUNY system, I think they should stay FBS. The best place for them would be the AAC, but I don’t think they would be invited. Assuming no AAC invite their best bet would be joining the A10 for olympics (joining state flagships UMass and RI) and become an independent in football. Probably could get a scheduling alliance with UConn, UMass, and Army.

Northern Illinois - probably better suited for the MVC/MVFC. Basically a straight up trade for Indiana State to put FCS teams from the same state in the same conferences.

No chance Indiana St leaves MVC, and no chance MVC takes in NIU.

Indiana St is on the border of IL/IN, their entire modern history is with the MVC.

NIU tried to get into the MVC during the Big West FB days and the MVC wasn’t interested. MVC would add Murray St first (who finished runner-up last go-around).

Regardless, none of this will happen. A fan base like Toledo’s or Ohio’s isn’t going FCS. Schools like NIU and WMU who recently played in Orange and Cotton bowls aren’t going FCS. A school with Miami’s history isn’t going FCS.

Ohio is intent on trying to run an AAC level program in FB/BB out of the MAC. We were lucky to be grandfathered into FBS back in the 80's but the last 3 decades have become gradually more committed.

We'd pull a UMass and stick our sports in a non-FB league while going independent in FB if push came to shove. Though #1 preference is to stay in the MAC and keep that going if at all possible.

A leaner MAC of course might entice Marshall or perhaps even bring UMass in if it was only a 10 school basketball conference.
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