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RE: Power 5 source to Stadium: "College football season is done"
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(08-08-2020 09:13 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  I would like to be the first to propose some options regarding topics we can discuss on this board this fall if the entirety of college football is canceled (my father, who attended New Mexico Highlands University in the 1950s, and I are already displeased that NCAA D-II football has been nixed).

So here we go:

Shemp or Curly?

New York or Chicago?

Cincinnati chili or Buffalo hot wings?

Rush or ZZ Top (two "power trios")?

Don Rickles or whoever the hot standup comic is in 2020?

Curly
Chicago
Cincinnati Chili
ZZ Top
Don Rickles or Sam Kinison - I just changed that. Two greats. I have to go with Sam.

ZZ Top. Can't Stop Rocking. Nuff said



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(08-08-2020 11:27 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(08-08-2020 09:13 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  I would like to be the first to propose some options regarding topics we can discuss on this board this fall if the entirety of college football is canceled (my father, who attended New Mexico Highlands University in the 1950s, and I are already displeased that NCAA D-II football has been nixed).

So here we go:

Shemp or Curly?

New York or Chicago?

Cincinnati chili or Buffalo hot wings?

Rush or ZZ Top (two "power trios")?

Don Rickles or whoever the hot standup comic is in 2020?

There are sharp dressed men but no comics in 2020

I wanted to say Dave Chappelle but I think my memories of Chappelle's Show are too strong for me to be objective.
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RE: Power 5 source to Stadium: "College football season is done"
(08-08-2020 11:24 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(08-08-2020 11:20 PM)chester Wrote:  
(08-08-2020 08:33 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(08-08-2020 08:04 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(08-08-2020 06:41 PM)TerryD Wrote:  Matt Hayes
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Power 5 AD just texted: “You and your colleagues are chasing the wrong story. The virus alone is enough to stop the season. But presidents are terrified of players organizing. It’s the paradigm shift to change amateur sports.” (1of2)


The college presidents are very afraid of the players organizing themselves.

Key word is VERY.


Let them organize. Let them demand half the revenue.

Now, lets look that the reality. The athletic department with the most revenue (Texas) made about 20 million on 224 million in revenue. The most profitable college athletic department made 44 million (A&M) on 212 million in revenue. Only a handful fo schools made any real money---most were close to break even or were actually losing money. Pretty much all the G5 programs are losing money (some quite a bit of meney).

If we take HALF the revenue and give it to the players, every single program goes into the red. Texas would lose about 85 million a year. A&M would lose about
62 million. The funny thing----The G5 would actually be better off than many P5's if they had to give up 50% of their revenues simply because their budgets are so much smaller. Not only are their total budgets half the size of the P5---thier revenues are MUCH less than half the revenues of the P5 (so losing half their revenue would be a MUCH smaller hit to their budgets).

So---what are the chances that every P5 and G5 school will say--yeah--cool, we'll start losing 100 million or more a year on sports to keep the players happy. Zero chance.

Its FAR more likely this brings about a sea change where college sports goes back to the future. They go back to the original TOTALLY PURE AMATEUR MODEL. You play for fun. You play for love of the school. You play for pride and prestige--but you get no compensation. ZERO. No scholarship. No FCOA. You get nothing. That destroys the basis for all the law suits against the FBS schools. As a bonus---it also eliminates a host of Title-9 issues and expenses. It also allows the schools to keep all the revenue and massively CUT expenses.

If the players and lawsuits continue---if they get no relief from Congress---then the schools basically have no choice but to go back to a purely amateur model. They really have no other option. The basic financial realities leave not other way forward for school athletic departments.

No help from Congress? We've talked about the Alston case. Should the plaintiffs win out, the affected schools won't be able to do what you suggest without an antitrust exemption. They can't beat the law by breaking it.

Bottom line, Congress won't kill Title IX. If scholarships are all they offer that will win out. What will be forced is the NFL's agreement to take High School talent, at least in theory. Then there is no anti-trust. The players are free to pay for play, or free to go to school.

Alston deals with the market for the athletic services of FBS football players and D1 basketball players. The NFL's draft rules are not pertinent.

Title IX is whatever it is. Assuming the Alston plaintiffs win out (and they likely will) the affected schools will want to confer with the OCR. In regard to Alston, the courts are not concerned about Title IX. It's irrelevant to the question of the legality of the defendants' violation of antitrust law.

Coog suggests the affected schools can beat Alston by turning to true amateurism. That wouldn't wash because it means a common limit on academic benefits to the plaintiffs after the courts ruled that the defendants can't do that very thing.

EDIT: What I'm trying to say is, if a) the plaintiffs win out and b) the defendants don't get an antitrust exemption then the defendants will not be able to set common limit on education-related benefits to the plaintiff class. They wouldn't be able to cap such benefits at zero and they wouldn't be able to cap them at GIA.

However, any given one of the affected NCAA conferences would be able to set limits on those benefits because none of them alone have monopsony power. They'd all better hope, though, that if they do secretly collude to set a common limit, like at zero or at GIA, that they're not then found out. That would lead to multimillion dollar fines and/or prison time for the decision makers.
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(08-09-2020 12:00 AM)chester Wrote:  
(08-08-2020 11:24 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(08-08-2020 11:20 PM)chester Wrote:  
(08-08-2020 08:33 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(08-08-2020 08:04 PM)bullet Wrote:  Key word is VERY.


Let them organize. Let them demand half the revenue.

Now, lets look that the reality. The athletic department with the most revenue (Texas) made about 20 million on 224 million in revenue. The most profitable college athletic department made 44 million (A&M) on 212 million in revenue. Only a handful fo schools made any real money---most were close to break even or were actually losing money. Pretty much all the G5 programs are losing money (some quite a bit of meney).

If we take HALF the revenue and give it to the players, every single program goes into the red. Texas would lose about 85 million a year. A&M would lose about
62 million. The funny thing----The G5 would actually be better off than many P5's if they had to give up 50% of their revenues simply because their budgets are so much smaller. Not only are their total budgets half the size of the P5---thier revenues are MUCH less than half the revenues of the P5 (so losing half their revenue would be a MUCH smaller hit to their budgets).

So---what are the chances that every P5 and G5 school will say--yeah--cool, we'll start losing 100 million or more a year on sports to keep the players happy. Zero chance.

Its FAR more likely this brings about a sea change where college sports goes back to the future. They go back to the original TOTALLY PURE AMATEUR MODEL. You play for fun. You play for love of the school. You play for pride and prestige--but you get no compensation. ZERO. No scholarship. No FCOA. You get nothing. That destroys the basis for all the law suits against the FBS schools. As a bonus---it also eliminates a host of Title-9 issues and expenses. It also allows the schools to keep all the revenue and massively CUT expenses.

If the players and lawsuits continue---if they get no relief from Congress---then the schools basically have no choice but to go back to a purely amateur model. They really have no other option. The basic financial realities leave not other way forward for school athletic departments.

No help from Congress? We've talked about the Alston case. Should the plaintiffs win out, the affected schools won't be able to do what you suggest without an antitrust exemption. They can't beat the law by breaking it.

Bottom line, Congress won't kill Title IX. If scholarships are all they offer that will win out. What will be forced is the NFL's agreement to take High School talent, at least in theory. Then there is no anti-trust. The players are free to pay for play, or free to go to school.

Alston deals with the market for the athletic services of FBS football players and D1 basketball players. The NFL's draft rules are not pertinent.

Title IX is whatever it is. Assuming the Alston plaintiffs win out (and they likely will) the affected schools will want to confer with the OCR. In regard to Alston, the courts are not concerned about Title IX. It's irrelevant to the question of the legality of the defendants' violation of antitrust law.

Coog suggests the affected schools can beat Alston by turning to true amateurism. That wouldn't wash because it means a common limit on academic benefits to the plaintiffs after the courts ruled that the defendants can't do that very thing.

EDIT: What I'm trying to say is, if a) the plaintiffs win out and b) the defendants don't get an antitrust exemption then the defendants will not be able to set common limit on education-related benefits to the plaintiff class. They wouldn't be able to cap such benefits at zero and they wouldn't be able to cap them at GIA.

However, any given one of the affected NCAA conferences would be able to set limits on those benefits because none of them alone have monopsony power. They'd all better hope, though, that if they do secretly collude to set a common limit, like at zero or at GIA, that they're not then found out. That would lead to multimillion dollar fines and/or prison time for the decision makers.

Higher education is about to be majorly downsized. 30 Trillion in national debt is going to come home to roost. I have a strong feeling that within the next 15 years, which commercially is a short period of time, that internal supply and demand for higher education reducing, that most of this, which has been nothing more than decadent to begin with, will subside naturally. The lawsuit, as I've stated in earlier posts not directed your way, is coming at the end of an era that is quickly passing.
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RE: Power 5 source to Stadium: "College football season is done"
(08-09-2020 12:00 AM)chester Wrote:  
(08-08-2020 11:24 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(08-08-2020 11:20 PM)chester Wrote:  
(08-08-2020 08:33 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(08-08-2020 08:04 PM)bullet Wrote:  Key word is VERY.


Let them organize. Let them demand half the revenue.

Now, lets look that the reality. The athletic department with the most revenue (Texas) made about 20 million on 224 million in revenue. The most profitable college athletic department made 44 million (A&M) on 212 million in revenue. Only a handful fo schools made any real money---most were close to break even or were actually losing money. Pretty much all the G5 programs are losing money (some quite a bit of meney).

If we take HALF the revenue and give it to the players, every single program goes into the red. Texas would lose about 85 million a year. A&M would lose about
62 million. The funny thing----The G5 would actually be better off than many P5's if they had to give up 50% of their revenues simply because their budgets are so much smaller. Not only are their total budgets half the size of the P5---thier revenues are MUCH less than half the revenues of the P5 (so losing half their revenue would be a MUCH smaller hit to their budgets).

So---what are the chances that every P5 and G5 school will say--yeah--cool, we'll start losing 100 million or more a year on sports to keep the players happy. Zero chance.

Its FAR more likely this brings about a sea change where college sports goes back to the future. They go back to the original TOTALLY PURE AMATEUR MODEL. You play for fun. You play for love of the school. You play for pride and prestige--but you get no compensation. ZERO. No scholarship. No FCOA. You get nothing. That destroys the basis for all the law suits against the FBS schools. As a bonus---it also eliminates a host of Title-9 issues and expenses. It also allows the schools to keep all the revenue and massively CUT expenses.

If the players and lawsuits continue---if they get no relief from Congress---then the schools basically have no choice but to go back to a purely amateur model. They really have no other option. The basic financial realities leave not other way forward for school athletic departments.

No help from Congress? We've talked about the Alston case. Should the plaintiffs win out, the affected schools won't be able to do what you suggest without an antitrust exemption. They can't beat the law by breaking it.

Bottom line, Congress won't kill Title IX. If scholarships are all they offer that will win out. What will be forced is the NFL's agreement to take High School talent, at least in theory. Then there is no anti-trust. The players are free to pay for play, or free to go to school.

Alston deals with the market for the athletic services of FBS football players and D1 basketball players. The NFL's draft rules are not pertinent.

Title IX is whatever it is. Assuming the Alston plaintiffs win out (and they likely will) the affected schools will want to confer with the OCR. In regard to Alston, the courts are not concerned about Title IX. It's irrelevant to the question of the legality of the defendants' violation of antitrust law.

Coog suggests the affected schools can beat Alston by turning to true amateurism. That wouldn't wash because it means a common limit on academic benefits to the plaintiffs after the courts ruled that the defendants can't do that very thing.

EDIT: What I'm trying to say is, if a) the plaintiffs win out and b) the defendants don't get an antitrust exemption then the defendants will not be able to set common limit on education-related benefits to the plaintiff class. They wouldn't be able to cap such benefits at zero and they wouldn't be able to cap them at GIA.

However, any given one of the affected NCAA conferences would be able to set limits on those benefits because none of them alone have monopsony power. They'd all better hope, though, that if they do secretly collude to set a common limit, like at zero or at GIA, that they're not then found out. That would lead to multimillion dollar fines and/or prison time for the decision makers.

If you read the Alston decision you’ll see that the judge says that the NCAA argument of amateurism is undermined because the athletes are already being compensated (scholarship, FCOA, insurance, etc). Thus, the only way the NCAA argument of amateurism currently flies is if the NCAA is able to define “amateur” in a convoluted way that fits their specific preference and flies in the face of most traditional definitions. If you define the Alston decision as you have, then the decision would mean all NCAA amateur leagues are illegal—which include FCS and D2 since they too collude to set “limits” on compensation.

Look, you might have to defend yourself in court, but it would appear that the logic used in the judges final decision would essentially allow the NCAA and FBS to be an amateur league, but only if it was a true strictly amateur league where no compensation was provided to any players. The NCAA got into trouble because they ACTUALLY were compensating their players—-and then colluded on the amount of that compensation.
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(08-09-2020 02:52 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  If you read the Alston decision you’ll see that the judge says that the NCAA argument of amateurism is undermined because the athletes are already being compensated (scholarship, FCOA, insurance, etc). Thus, the argument of amateurism requires that the NCAA be able to define “amateur” in a convoluted way that fits their specific preference. If you define the decision as you have, then the decision would mean all NCAA amateur leagues are illegal—which include FCS and D2 since they collude to set “limits” on compensation.

I mean, you might have to defend yourself in court, but it would appear that the logic used in the judges final decision would essentially allow the NCAA and FBS to be an amateur league, but only if it was a true strictly amateur league where no compensation was provided to any players. I mean, you can’t force someone to sponsor a pro league. The NCAA got into trouble because they ACTUALLY were compensating their players—-and then colluded on the amount of that compensation.

We've been through this as well. Yeah, the DII and DIII models are clearly anti-competitive and therefore should be declared illegal. Except, they haven't been...

This case deals ONLY with FBS footballers and DI basketballers (men's & women's) because that is the class of NCAA athlete that brought suit.

Take another look at the the District Court's injunction and you will find that it applies to FBS football and DI basketball and nothing else.

But the particular schools affected by this case ARE NOT going to be able to get away with turning toward true amateurism. Nor would they try. Their presidents would get wrecked by the DOJ and courts.

Big Time schools and conferences do not want to turn toward amateurism in the first place. Most fans of Big Time college football and basketball don't want that. If they did, DIII would dominate the scene.

Rhetorical question is, exactly why is it the powers who be keep fighting against granting FBS football players and DI basketball players access to an open market when everyone else involved at that level does have access to an open market?
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So basically, long story short, a lot of lawns are going to be mowed this year. 07-coffee3
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(08-09-2020 03:58 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  So basically, long story short, a lot of lawns are going to be mowed this year. 07-coffee3

Yep have more time to now actually thatch my lawn before aerating it next month. 2020 absolutely sucks. The money that I set aside for the LSU game next month will now go into re-doing the half bathroom downstairs. YAY :(
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(08-08-2020 08:33 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
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Power 5 AD just texted: “You and your colleagues are chasing the wrong story. The virus alone is enough to stop the season. But presidents are terrified of players organizing. It’s the paradigm shift to change amateur sports.” (1of2)


The college presidents are very afraid of the players organizing themselves.

Key word is VERY.


Let them organize. Let them demand half the revenue.

And this is where I will stop you. You, I and they know this is totally unrealistic and is simply there for a start point for negotiations. But the rest of what they are asking for is totally realistic and not asking too much from the universities. Of course just my opinion. If anything, the requesting half of the revenue is serving to be more of a distraction for some here then anything else.
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(08-09-2020 03:31 AM)chester Wrote:  
(08-09-2020 02:52 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  If you read the Alston decision you’ll see that the judge says that the NCAA argument of amateurism is undermined because the athletes are already being compensated (scholarship, FCOA, insurance, etc). Thus, the argument of amateurism requires that the NCAA be able to define “amateur” in a convoluted way that fits their specific preference. If you define the decision as you have, then the decision would mean all NCAA amateur leagues are illegal—which include FCS and D2 since they collude to set “limits” on compensation.

I mean, you might have to defend yourself in court, but it would appear that the logic used in the judges final decision would essentially allow the NCAA and FBS to be an amateur league, but only if it was a true strictly amateur league where no compensation was provided to any players. I mean, you can’t force someone to sponsor a pro league. The NCAA got into trouble because they ACTUALLY were compensating their players—-and then colluded on the amount of that compensation.

We've been through this as well. Yeah, the DII and DIII models are clearly anti-competitive and therefore should be declared illegal. Except, they haven't been...

This case deals ONLY with FBS footballers and DI basketballers (men's & women's) because that is the class of NCAA athlete that brought suit.

Take another look at the the District Court's injunction and you will find that it applies to FBS football and DI basketball and nothing else.

But the particular schools affected by this case ARE NOT going to be able to get away with turning toward true amateurism. Nor would they try. Their presidents would get wrecked by the DOJ and courts.

Big Time schools and conferences do not want to turn toward amateurism in the first place. Most fans of Big Time college football and basketball don't want that. If they did, DIII would dominate the scene.

Rhetorical question is, exactly why is it the powers who be keep fighting against granting FBS football players and DI basketball players access to an open market when everyone else involved at that level does have access to an open market?

I agree that they don’t want to. They want the current model. However, the courts are saying they can’t have the current scholarship model. That leaves two choices—one of which is financially impossible. School athletic programs cannot pay players 50% of revenue without doubling or tripling their losses. That leaves full on amateurism, which the courts have said is legitimate and viable (the NCAA lost that argument simply because their scholarship model is not amateurism).

This is still America. The courts cannot demand you create a pro league when your desire is to create a amateur league. The courts have said FBS is not an amateur league because the players are being compensated. The courts have those defined an amateur league as a league where players are not compensated. It seems to me the courts have defined the path to creating a true amateur league.

Look, it’s not my fault the court decision makes no sense. It wants schools that are already losing over billion dollars a year to compensate the players at a higher rate. Furthermore, virtually every solvent US professional league has some sort of mechanism to create competitive balance—be it a draft that distributes talent or a salary cap. Except college ball can’t do anything like that because there is no players s union with which to competitively bargain.

One the other side of the coin, the colleges have for 100 years thought they were running an amateur league—which was their intent. As I watch the monkey see monkey do world of college sports—-if the Big Ten announces it was going full on amateur with no compensation of any kind allowed—-how long would it be before every other FBS league followed suit? Is that collusion? Or is it just financial survival?

The athletic departments budgets are losing money as it is, they are designed to survive in an amateur sports landscape, not a free agent pro sports world. These are universities—-not pro franchises. If the goal is to eliminate 90% of the largest athletic departments in college sports, the Alton ruling would apparently be the way to do it. On the other hand, returning to complete amateurism seems to me to be the loop hole the Alton ruling leaves open to the schools should they truly embrace that option. Given the financial landscape, it’s basically take that amateur loop hole or shut down for about 90% of the existing FBS school athletic departments. No school is going to take another 25 to 100 million a year from the education side of the budget just to keep athletics running when there is likley never going to be any real hope of any return on that investment. Heck, after this Covid thing does it’s fiscal damage, I doubt most administrators could find an extra 25-100 million to divert to athletics even if they wanted to.
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(08-09-2020 09:09 AM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  
(08-08-2020 08:33 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(08-08-2020 08:04 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(08-08-2020 06:41 PM)TerryD Wrote:  Matt Hayes
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Power 5 AD just texted: “You and your colleagues are chasing the wrong story. The virus alone is enough to stop the season. But presidents are terrified of players organizing. It’s the paradigm shift to change amateur sports.” (1of2)


The college presidents are very afraid of the players organizing themselves.

Key word is VERY.


Let them organize. Let them demand half the revenue.

And this is where I will stop you. You, I and they know this is totally unrealistic and is simply there for a start point for negotiations. But the rest of what they are asking for is totally realistic and not asking too much from the universities. Of course just my opinion. If anything, the requesting half of the revenue is serving to be more of a distraction for some here then anything else.



After seeing everything Antifa is doing, you have to wonder about that now...
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(08-09-2020 06:39 AM)Thiefery Wrote:  
(08-09-2020 03:58 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  So basically, long story short, a lot of lawns are going to be mowed this year. 07-coffee3

Yep have more time to now actually thatch my lawn before aerating it next month. 2020 absolutely sucks. The money that I set aside for the LSU game next month will now go into re-doing the half bathroom downstairs. YAY :(

You know what, though? That half-bathroom will pay dividends when you sell the house. Also, you will live with those positive changes!
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(08-08-2020 10:29 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  
(08-08-2020 09:13 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  I would like to be the first to propose some options regarding topics we can discuss on this board this fall if the entirety of college football is canceled (my father, who attended New Mexico Highlands University in the 1950s, and I are already displeased that NCAA D-II football has been nixed).

So here we go:

Shemp or Curly?

New York or Chicago?

Cincinnati chili or Buffalo hot wings?

Rush or ZZ Top (two "power trios")?

Don Rickles or whoever the hot standup comic is in 2020?

Curly
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Don Rickles or Sam Kinison - I just changed that. Two greats. I have to go with Sam.


Lots of folks like the work of SKinison. I was never a fan. Maybe I need to give him another listen.
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RE: Power 5 source to Stadium: "College football season is done"
(08-08-2020 10:42 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(08-08-2020 09:13 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  I would like to be the first to propose some options regarding topics we can discuss on this board this fall if the entirety of college football is canceled (my father, who attended New Mexico Highlands University in the 1950s, and I are already displeased that NCAA D-II football has been nixed).

So here we go:

Shemp or Curly? Curly

New York or Chicago? Screw 'em both. Tel Aviv or Amsterdam

Cincinnati chili or Buffalo hot wings? Pork BBQ cut right off the pitt.

Rush or ZZ Top (two "power trios")? Lynyrd Skynyrd or CCR

Don Rickles or whoever the hot standup comic is in 2020? Richard Pryor or Gallagher or Carlin

Carlin is likely my all-time favorite stand-up comic. He was brilliant.
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RE: Power 5 source to Stadium: "College football season is done"
(08-08-2020 11:20 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  
(08-08-2020 09:13 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  Shemp or Curly?

Curly. How is this even a question? I don't even hate Shemp, it's not like he's ... ugh ... Joe, but Curly was the soul of the Stooges.

Quote:New York or Chicago?

Never been to Chicago but want to. Been to NYC a few times, wouldn't say no to going again but it's not a priority. So ... toss-up?

Quote:Cincinnati chili or Buffalo hot wings?

Good wings > chili > bad wings. The chili has a lower ceiling of greatness but a higher floor of failure. An order of wings can send you to heaven or the toilet.

Quote:Rush or ZZ Top (two "power trios")?

ZZ Top. Never got into Rush.

Quote:Don Rickles or whoever the hot standup comic is in 2020?

Rickles, though I think the fairer comparison would be to Sam Kinison or Eddie Murphy or Richard Prior or George Carlin. I'm not sure who the hot comic today is, and whoever it is probably is a week away from getting cancelled for getting grabby with a 19-year-old girl after a set in L.A.


One of the hot stand-up comics today is Nate Bargatze, a Nashville man. My sister (who lives in Nashville, as do I) loves his work. But she might guilty of "homerism."
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RE: Power 5 source to Stadium: "College football season is done"
(08-08-2020 11:27 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(08-08-2020 09:13 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  I would like to be the first to propose some options regarding topics we can discuss on this board this fall if the entirety of college football is canceled (my father, who attended New Mexico Highlands University in the 1950s, and I are already displeased that NCAA D-II football has been nixed).

So here we go:

Shemp or Curly?

New York or Chicago?

Cincinnati chili or Buffalo hot wings?

Rush or ZZ Top (two "power trios")?

Don Rickles or whoever the hot standup comic is in 2020?

There are sharp dressed men but no comics in 2020


So ZZTop over Rush? I prefer Rush but highly respect ZZT
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RE: Power 5 source to Stadium: "College football season is done"
(08-08-2020 11:30 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  
(08-08-2020 10:29 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  
(08-08-2020 09:13 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  I would like to be the first to propose some options regarding topics we can discuss on this board this fall if the entirety of college football is canceled (my father, who attended New Mexico Highlands University in the 1950s, and I are already displeased that NCAA D-II football has been nixed).

So here we go:

Shemp or Curly?

New York or Chicago?

Cincinnati chili or Buffalo hot wings?

Rush or ZZ Top (two "power trios")?

Don Rickles or whoever the hot standup comic is in 2020?

Curly
Chicago
Cincinnati Chili
ZZ Top
Don Rickles or Sam Kinison - I just changed that. Two greats. I have to go with Sam.

ZZ Top. Can't Stop Rocking. Nuff said




Excellent song. I saw ZZ Top twice. Outstanding.
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RE: Power 5 source to Stadium: "College football season is done"
(08-08-2020 11:36 PM)bullet Wrote:  Curly
Chicago
Wings

I'm Sam (Shemp) Horwitz 1A and Jerome (Curly) Horwitz 1B. I admit that to have Curly behind any of the others Stooges is considered blasphemous in some quarters.
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