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RE: The 2020 MAC football season is cancelled
(08-12-2020 09:17 PM)DICK Wrote:  
(08-08-2020 11:25 PM)banker Wrote:  You guys do know that the infection and death rates in the US for Covid are identical to Europe, don’t you? Some states have done better, some worse just like some European countries have done better and some worse. States, like the countries in Europe, had different plans and different challenges.

Haven’t heard anyone say the EU leadership is too blame for the deaths in Europe. Why? I would guess because people recognize that each country has self governance. In the US certain people blame the federal government, apparently not realizing that states have self governance.

Oh, and for the record, 0.0457% of the US population has died of coronavirus and the average age of those who have died is 76. It has killed 125 people between the ages of 15-24 in the country, which is 0.121% of the Covid19 deaths and represents only 1.1% of total deaths in the age bracket this year. Of the 125 that have died in that bracket over 80% had at least 3 comorbidities.

In other words, a healthy division one athlete has a better chance of being eaten by a shark or struck by lightening then dying of Covid19. We have all heard about outbreaks within pro sports. Not one professional athlete has required hospitalization from the virus to date.
The USA has 4% of the world's population and over 20% of the world's deaths. That is not good.

My great uncle was listed as a “COVID death”. He was already dying in an acute care center from organ failure and had zero COVID symptoms. Just happened to test positive (allegedly) in his las days. We know he didn’t die from COVID. There is a county medical examiner in Michigan on record stating he’ll list suicides as COVID if they test positive.
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RE: The 2020 MAC football season is cancelled
(08-13-2020 07:23 AM)GRBRONCO Wrote:  
(08-12-2020 09:17 PM)DICK Wrote:  
(08-08-2020 11:25 PM)banker Wrote:  You guys do know that the infection and death rates in the US for Covid are identical to Europe, don’t you? Some states have done better, some worse just like some European countries have done better and some worse. States, like the countries in Europe, had different plans and different challenges.

Haven’t heard anyone say the EU leadership is too blame for the deaths in Europe. Why? I would guess because people recognize that each country has self governance. In the US certain people blame the federal government, apparently not realizing that states have self governance.

Oh, and for the record, 0.0457% of the US population has died of coronavirus and the average age of those who have died is 76. It has killed 125 people between the ages of 15-24 in the country, which is 0.121% of the Covid19 deaths and represents only 1.1% of total deaths in the age bracket this year. Of the 125 that have died in that bracket over 80% had at least 3 comorbidities.

In other words, a healthy division one athlete has a better chance of being eaten by a shark or struck by lightening then dying of Covid19. We have all heard about outbreaks within pro sports. Not one professional athlete has required hospitalization from the virus to date.
The USA has 4% of the world's population and over 20% of the world's deaths. That is not good.

My great uncle was listed as a “COVID death”. He was already dying in an acute care center from organ failure and had zero COVID symptoms. Just happened to test positive (allegedly) in his las days. We know he didn’t die from COVID. There is a county medical examiner in Michigan on record stating he’ll list suicides as COVID if they test positive.

have heard countless stories first hand just like this. Follow the money, hospitals are raking with a covid diagnosis
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RE: The 2020 MAC football season is cancelled
(08-13-2020 07:23 AM)GRBRONCO Wrote:  
(08-12-2020 09:17 PM)DICK Wrote:  
(08-08-2020 11:25 PM)banker Wrote:  You guys do know that the infection and death rates in the US for Covid are identical to Europe, don’t you? Some states have done better, some worse just like some European countries have done better and some worse. States, like the countries in Europe, had different plans and different challenges.

Haven’t heard anyone say the EU leadership is too blame for the deaths in Europe. Why? I would guess because people recognize that each country has self governance. In the US certain people blame the federal government, apparently not realizing that states have self governance.

Oh, and for the record, 0.0457% of the US population has died of coronavirus and the average age of those who have died is 76. It has killed 125 people between the ages of 15-24 in the country, which is 0.121% of the Covid19 deaths and represents only 1.1% of total deaths in the age bracket this year. Of the 125 that have died in that bracket over 80% had at least 3 comorbidities.

In other words, a healthy division one athlete has a better chance of being eaten by a shark or struck by lightening then dying of Covid19. We have all heard about outbreaks within pro sports. Not one professional athlete has required hospitalization from the virus to date.
The USA has 4% of the world's population and over 20% of the world's deaths. That is not good.

My great uncle was listed as a “COVID death”. He was already dying in an acute care center from organ failure and had zero COVID symptoms. Just happened to test positive (allegedly) in his las days. We know he didn’t die from COVID. There is a county medical examiner in Michigan on record stating he’ll list suicides as COVID if they test positive.

Since he's on record, it shouldn't be too difficult to provide a source of this claim, right?
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RE: The 2020 MAC football season is cancelled
(08-13-2020 08:44 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  
(08-13-2020 07:23 AM)GRBRONCO Wrote:  
(08-12-2020 09:17 PM)DICK Wrote:  
(08-08-2020 11:25 PM)banker Wrote:  You guys do know that the infection and death rates in the US for Covid are identical to Europe, don’t you? Some states have done better, some worse just like some European countries have done better and some worse. States, like the countries in Europe, had different plans and different challenges.

Haven’t heard anyone say the EU leadership is too blame for the deaths in Europe. Why? I would guess because people recognize that each country has self governance. In the US certain people blame the federal government, apparently not realizing that states have self governance.

Oh, and for the record, 0.0457% of the US population has died of coronavirus and the average age of those who have died is 76. It has killed 125 people between the ages of 15-24 in the country, which is 0.121% of the Covid19 deaths and represents only 1.1% of total deaths in the age bracket this year. Of the 125 that have died in that bracket over 80% had at least 3 comorbidities.

In other words, a healthy division one athlete has a better chance of being eaten by a shark or struck by lightening then dying of Covid19. We have all heard about outbreaks within pro sports. Not one professional athlete has required hospitalization from the virus to date.
The USA has 4% of the world's population and over 20% of the world's deaths. That is not good.

My great uncle was listed as a “COVID death”. He was already dying in an acute care center from organ failure and had zero COVID symptoms. Just happened to test positive (allegedly) in his las days. We know he didn’t die from COVID. There is a county medical examiner in Michigan on record stating he’ll list suicides as COVID if they test positive.

Since he's on record, it shouldn't be too difficult to provide a source of this claim, right?

Sure, it’s from a MLIVE story..

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mlive.c...utType=amp
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RE: The 2020 MAC football season is cancelled
(08-13-2020 09:44 AM)GRBRONCO Wrote:  Sure, it’s from a MLIVE story..

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mlive.c...utType=amp

Wow!

Sorry, my BS meter was going off. It just seemed ridiculous they'd count suicide as a COVID death and just couldn't believe that a medical examiner would classify it as such.
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The MAC did the right thing. This could blow up in the faces of the conferences that play this fall.

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(08-12-2020 02:34 PM)ilovegymnast Wrote:  When it comes to playing in the spring the MAC better have all Saturday games. I don't want to see any weekday games.
The real question is whether ESPN wants to see weeknight games enough to make it worth the MAC's while ... say, twelve FCS games spread across two weeks with ESPN footing the buy before the MAC season proper starts.

(08-08-2020 11:25 PM)banker Wrote:  You guys do know that the infection and death rates in the US for Covid are identical to Europe, don’t you?
The infection and case mortality rates are in the same neighborhood, but neither of those are a percentage of the population, so it is easy to get distracted from the fact that the death rates are nowhere near the same. The abysmal state of US reporting, using "pundits" as if they are people who know what they are talking about, exacerbates the problem.

At present, more people dying of Covid19 in the US in two days than die in the EU in a month, and the EU has 100m larger population.

(08-13-2020 07:23 AM)GRBRONCO Wrote:  There is a county medical examiner in Michigan on record stating he’ll list suicides as COVID if they test positive.

Data is not the plural of anecdote.

By the same token, there are people admitted to hospital for covid19 infection with death certificates that list "natural causes" and therefore don't get counted. Without a national effort and enforced national standards, you are going to have both overcounts and undercounts, though in states with very high rates of infection there is certainly a temptation on governors to press for undercounts, so a systematic bias to undercounting is more likely than a systematic bias to overcounting.

The good news is that even though normal people are absymally underinformed if they rely on US media, the experts are actually relying on the best available information and as a result of the global efforts to work on the problem, less expensive tests and multiple vaccines the show some promise are under development. There is every reason to hope that January we will be seeing basketball played, even if initially in closed arenas, and that by April it will be possible to have the same kind of fans in the stands as is possible today in Taiwan, where they decided to take the problem seriously and have the infection under control.
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(08-08-2020 12:19 PM)DICK Wrote:  
(08-08-2020 11:40 AM)ilovegymnast Wrote:  No reason they couldn't do pro days on a by week for each team. And if anything it allows them to be scouted even more if they are the only game in town.

I think most are too pessimistic, not optimistic enough. Most optimists are predicting Covid cures by the end of the year. It is quite possible that by the time we play games in March, April, and May that we can have cheerleaders, marching bands, and fans. The ESPN family will cover all the games, so ESPN+, ESPN3, ESPNU, ESPN 2, ESPN. If we are the only FBS league playing in the Fall, we could play anywhere from an 8 to an 11 game conference schedule, plus the MACC. We could also play a non league or 2 games vs FCS teams. This is likely to be a much more entertaining and safe way to go than playing this Fall.

It is possible other conferences will follow the MAC to the Spring, that would open up the possibilities of non conference ( maybe buy games?) and postseason games ( Hey, MAC teams could host a bowl game in MAY.)

It would be a quick turn around to 2021 Fall season, but you would just skip Spring practice all together.

I think this post might be aging better than I first thought. Why?

We do have a vaccine being shipped to the U.S. as I post. We are expecting 40M doses from two companies. Dosing is 2 doses - the 2nd 4 weeks apart.

Apparently they will tee up 40M high risk persons to go first. The 2nd 40M doses would be the 2nd shot for these 40M people. 40M would be say all medical personnel, long term care patients and staff, etc.

Maybe by Feb.1 (another 40M doses) we can be into the more 'discretionary' groups. I would put athletes in that grouping along with 65+, teachers, etc.

Some FB (and MBB/WBB) players might be developing some antibodies by say late Feb. when the season was to start...
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RE: The 2020 MAC football season is cancelled
(12-01-2020 05:59 AM)emu steve Wrote:  
(08-08-2020 12:19 PM)DICK Wrote:  
(08-08-2020 11:40 AM)ilovegymnast Wrote:  No reason they couldn't do pro days on a by week for each team. And if anything it allows them to be scouted even more if they are the only game in town.

I think most are too pessimistic, not optimistic enough. Most optimists are predicting Covid cures by the end of the year. It is quite possible that by the time we play games in March, April, and May that we can have cheerleaders, marching bands, and fans. The ESPN family will cover all the games, so ESPN+, ESPN3, ESPNU, ESPN 2, ESPN. If we are the only FBS league playing in the Fall, we could play anywhere from an 8 to an 11 game conference schedule, plus the MACC. We could also play a non league or 2 games vs FCS teams. This is likely to be a much more entertaining and safe way to go than playing this Fall.

It is possible other conferences will follow the MAC to the Spring, that would open up the possibilities of non conference ( maybe buy games?) and postseason games ( Hey, MAC teams could host a bowl game in MAY.)

It would be a quick turn around to 2021 Fall season, but you would just skip Spring practice all together.

I think this post might be aging better than I first thought. Why?

We do have a vaccine being shipped to the U.S. as I post. We are expecting 40M doses from two companies. Dosing is 2 doses - the 2nd 4 weeks apart.

Apparently they will tee up 40M high risk persons to go first. The 2nd 40M doses would be the 2nd shot for these 40M people. 40M would be say all medical personnel, long term care patients and staff, etc.

Maybe by Feb.1 (another 40M doses) we can be into the more 'discretionary' groups. I would put athletes in that grouping along with 65+, teachers, etc.

Some FB (and MBB/WBB) players might be developing some antibodies by say late Feb. when the season was to start...

A family member put refrigeration units in at his hospital for vaccine storage. I was
was told the expected arrival date which is very soon.
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