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RE: Big 12 going to 9+1 model
(08-04-2020 08:05 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(08-04-2020 05:15 AM)schmolik Wrote:  Most of these +1's to me are pointless just like after the SEC abandoned non conference games the +1's for the ACC are pointless too. Unless you're so desperate for football you'll watch Oklahoma State-Tulsa or Baylor-Rice or something like that.

Well for the Big 12 it can matter because if their teams play only 9 games, they could be at the old "fewer data points" disadvantage in the CFP when compared to conferences that played 10 games.

You really thing we are going to get that far? One game here or there is the least of our worries.
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(08-04-2020 08:52 AM)Big Frog II Wrote:  
(08-04-2020 08:05 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(08-04-2020 05:15 AM)schmolik Wrote:  Most of these +1's to me are pointless just like after the SEC abandoned non conference games the +1's for the ACC are pointless too. Unless you're so desperate for football you'll watch Oklahoma State-Tulsa or Baylor-Rice or something like that.

Well for the Big 12 it can matter because if their teams play only 9 games, they could be at the old "fewer data points" disadvantage in the CFP when compared to conferences that played 10 games.

You really thing we are going to get that far? One game here or there is the least of our worries.

I am skeptical about the entire season being played. But, in making a scheduling plan, you have to plan for the entire season as if it will be played. And yes, if it is played, the Big 12 could be in a disadvantageous position with fewer games.
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Quo the rule is an ACC team must play their non-conference game at home or in their home state

Finally, the extra non-conference game will give ACC teams who win 4 league games a chance to finish the regular season at 5-6. If bowl games survive this might allow 1 or 2 ACC teams a chance to get a minor bowl bid.

My take is the Big 12 should have scheduled a 9+2 model for reasons....
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(08-04-2020 09:26 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  Quo the rule is an ACC team must play their non-conference game at home or in their home state

Tex - thanks, yes, that's what I meant to say when i said the rule requires an OOC game be played in an "ACC state". But the way I worded it was incorrect, as it implies that Syracuse could play say USF in Tampa, and they could not.

But i do not think it impacts the point I made about Notre Dame vs Navy.
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(08-04-2020 09:48 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(08-04-2020 09:26 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  Quo the rule is an ACC team must play their non-conference game at home or in their home state

Tex - thanks, yes, that's what I meant to say when i said the rule requires an OOC game be played in an "ACC state". But the way I worded it was incorrect, as it implies that Syracuse could play say USF in Tampa, and they could not.

But i do not think it impacts the point I made about Notre Dame vs Navy.

Correct...yes Navy would have to come to Indy or South Bend.

The question is do they call it a Navy home game still?
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TCU is scheduled to play SMU in Dallas this year. With the 9+1 formula, it would have to be played in Ft Worth again. Not fair.
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(08-04-2020 01:23 PM)SMUstang Wrote:  TCU is scheduled to play SMU in Dallas this year. With the 9+1 formula, it would have to be played in Ft Worth again. Not fair.

Giving up a home game when there will be few or even no fans at the game doesn't seem like it should be a big deal, particularly if SMU would get the home game next year when it can (God willing) sell tickets.

That said, North Texas would probably love the date.
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(08-04-2020 05:27 AM)goofus Wrote:  I dont even understand why the ACC is keeping its extra OOC game after the SEC canceled theirs. The main point of it was to keep the SEC-ACC interstate matchups. With those gone, what's the point?

The main point according to who?
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(08-04-2020 01:23 PM)SMUstang Wrote:  TCU is scheduled to play SMU in Dallas this year. With the 9+1 formula, it would have to be played in Ft Worth again. Not fair.

Right— WVU vs TCU can still go on but SMU vs TCU—that’s dangerous.
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The SMU vs TCU rivalry game has apparently already been cancelled for this year. We get to keep the Iron Skillet another year, then hopefully play TCU in Dallas next year.
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(08-03-2020 10:00 PM)Thiefery Wrote:  sucks that the opener (vs OOC) is week 2. They should have allowed teams to play that game week 0 or week1. Give two weeks before the second game of the season.

I think they did allow teams to play week 0,1 or 2. OU is scheduled to play on Aug29.
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(08-04-2020 09:26 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  Quo the rule is an ACC team must play their non-conference game at home or in their home state

Finally, the extra non-conference game will give ACC teams who win 4 league games a chance to finish the regular season at 5-6. If bowl games survive this might allow 1 or 2 ACC teams a chance to get a minor bowl bid.

My take is the Big 12 should have scheduled a 9+2 model for reasons....

I maybe wrong, but I thought I read, that the rule says the ACC must play their non-conference game in the "home state" of an ACC team. If that is correct, Notre Dame could play Navy in Philadelphia or Baltimore. Like I said I maybe wrong.

Actually why don't they just switch home games with Navy this year and next year.
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(08-04-2020 04:38 PM)texoma Wrote:  
(08-04-2020 09:26 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  Quo the rule is an ACC team must play their non-conference game at home or in their home state

Finally, the extra non-conference game will give ACC teams who win 4 league games a chance to finish the regular season at 5-6. If bowl games survive this might allow 1 or 2 ACC teams a chance to get a minor bowl bid.

My take is the Big 12 should have scheduled a 9+2 model for reasons....

I maybe wrong, but I thought I read, that the rule says the ACC must play their non-conference game in the "home state" of an ACC team. If that is correct, Notre Dame could play Navy in Philadelphia or Baltimore. Like I said I maybe wrong.

Actually why don't they just switch home games with Navy this year and next year.

The non-conference game must be played in the same state that the ACC school resides.

If Notre Dame follows this rule, the ND-Navy game would need to be played in Indiana.

https://www.tallahassee.com/story/sports...539624002/
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(08-04-2020 12:29 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  
(08-04-2020 09:48 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(08-04-2020 09:26 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  Quo the rule is an ACC team must play their non-conference game at home or in their home state

Tex - thanks, yes, that's what I meant to say when i said the rule requires an OOC game be played in an "ACC state". But the way I worded it was incorrect, as it implies that Syracuse could play say USF in Tampa, and they could not.

But i do not think it impacts the point I made about Notre Dame vs Navy.

Correct...yes Navy would have to come to Indy or South Bend.

The question is do they call it a Navy home game still?

Personally, I don't think Notre Dame will ask Navy to come to South Bend. That would be an affront to Navy, to ask them to give up their home game just because ... the ACC wants the game at Notre Dame for its own self-interested reasons?

If I was ND I would be too embarrassed to ask them to do that. Now if Navy takes the initiative and says "hey, we'd be happy to come to Notre Dame if the next two games are played in Annapolis" or something, then sure.

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(08-04-2020 09:48 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(08-04-2020 09:26 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  Quo the rule is an ACC team must play their non-conference game at home or in their home state

Tex - thanks, yes, that's what I meant to say when i said the rule requires an OOC game be played in an "ACC state". But the way I worded it was incorrect, as it implies that Syracuse could play say USF in Tampa, and they could not.

But i do not think it impacts the point I made about Notre Dame vs Navy.

But if UCF and Syracuse wanted to play in Orchard Park...
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(08-04-2020 04:38 PM)texoma Wrote:  
(08-04-2020 09:26 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  Quo the rule is an ACC team must play their non-conference game at home or in their home state

Finally, the extra non-conference game will give ACC teams who win 4 league games a chance to finish the regular season at 5-6. If bowl games survive this might allow 1 or 2 ACC teams a chance to get a minor bowl bid.

My take is the Big 12 should have scheduled a 9+2 model for reasons....

I maybe wrong, but I thought I read, that the rule says the ACC must play their non-conference game in the "home state" of an ACC team. If that is correct, Notre Dame could play Navy in Philadelphia or Baltimore. Like I said I maybe wrong.

Actually why don't they just switch home games with Navy this year and next year.


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So the ACC & Big 12 both demand home games for their +1. I have a feeling the AAC will be going conference only with a clause for the Army-Navy game. Or only allow teams to schedule new away games this year if it includes a return trip.
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More correctly, the ACC allowed in State rivalry games. Clemson, Florida State, Georgia Tech and Louisville wanted to play their SEC rivals. All other ACC non conference games were cancelled already (Notre Dame still has a few not publicly acknowledged cancelled, but they are). The SEC nixed that, in favor of schedule control. So in effect the ACC 10 +1 has become 10 only.

The B12 feels game envy, and used the ACC +1 for SEC rivals as an excuse to allow a 10th game if at home; hence 9 +1. I don't know that any will actually get played, but some of the schools are planning on it.

The B12 9+1 is not the same as the ACC 10+1.
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(08-04-2020 07:03 AM)schmolik Wrote:  
(08-04-2020 06:46 AM)Thiefery Wrote:  
(08-04-2020 05:15 AM)schmolik Wrote:  Most of these +1's to me are pointless just like after the SEC abandoned non conference games the +1's for the ACC are pointless too. Unless you're so desperate for football you'll watch Oklahoma State-Tulsa or Baylor-Rice or something like that.

ughh yes people will be desperate wanting to see their school play even against let's say a UTEP. BTW does the ou vs southwest Mizzu st game still PPV?

So you don't care if some players/coaches/their families get COVID-19/injuries/etc. because you just have to watch Oklahoma play SW Missouri State?
i won't be watching, i'm not a sooners fan.. but yes people will watch even if it's a risk for players and coaches.. it's sports lol
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(08-04-2020 10:00 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  More correctly, the ACC allowed in State rivalry games. Clemson, Florida State, Georgia Tech and Louisville wanted to play their SEC rivals. All other ACC non conference games were cancelled already (Notre Dame still has a few not publicly acknowledged cancelled, but they are). The SEC nixed that, in favor of schedule control. So in effect the ACC 10 +1 has become 10 only.

The B12 feels game envy, and used the ACC +1 for SEC rivals as an excuse to allow a 10th game if at home; hence 9 +1. I don't know that any will actually get played, but some of the schools are planning on it.

The B12 9+1 is not the same as the ACC 10+1.

I'm not sure it's "game envy", it's "data point worry".
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