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(08-20-2020 06:26 AM)mrjoolius Wrote:  Interesting thing to monitor. Speculation that this unprecedented uncertainty could reek havok on the scholarship numbers for 2021 & 2022. There is a growing push for guys to get locked in and commit sooner rather than later.
https://twitter.com/PeteThamel/status/12...0220727298
https://twitter.com/PeteThamel/status/12...2818629633
https://twitter.com/PeteThamel/status/12...5781069824

Interesting. I guess I can't fault the approach. It's a bit sledgehammer and not nuanced, but I guess it is clear at least.
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It’s starting to look quite possible that many Power 5 schools will have most/all students off campus this semester-except for the football teams.

From a revenue or athletic standpoint this makes a lot of sense but:

1). How can academic institutions justify this? I wonder if the Presidents of schools such as Duke, Vanderbilt, Notre Dame (!) won’t feel obligated to shoot down football in the fall.

2). I can see two sources of litigation for this approach. One, should a student on campus fall ill to Covid, might not the university be liable for providing one level of protection to the general student population and a superior level of protection to its athletes (“the bubble”). This would lead universities to keeping students off site. Two, I imagine students could sue for not being allowed in their dorms when athletes are allowed in theirs.
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(08-11-2020 08:36 AM)tribeinexile Wrote:  I feel the article tries to do too much: it discusses BOTH the Power 5 and Group of 5 schools. Even it’s cursory recap of median budgets (a very poor measure) shows the two groups of schools operate in very different worlds.

I still believe a pending story to this year of Covid is the collapse of the Group of 5 business model.

I was surprised, however, by the onslaught of talk yesterday about Power 5 conferences possibly cancelling fall football. While for Group of 5 schools such a decision is probably financially driven, I don’t think this is the case with the Power 5. The two drivers (seem to me) may well be litigation (talk of long-term heart issues) and incipient player organization efforts (especially in the Big 10 and PAC 12).

Driving home from NC yesterday afternoon and listening to the local sports talk shows - let’s just say the natives are not happy with the prospect of losing big-time football this fall.

Looking less certain that the whole of the Power 5 is in fact a financial paradise...

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I'm hoping the one positive that comes from Covid and the absence of fall sports is that Flosports goes belly up and the CAA is free to broadcast through a more reasonable outlet. Month to month payments are a must. Not this stupid locked in for a year thing.
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Citadel has put together a 4 game football schedule. Home against E. Kentucky; away (pay) games at Clemson, South Florida and Army.

The Clemson game was already scheduled - Citadel gets $450,000.

I do not understand why Army is paying Citadel $250,000 and especially why South Florida is paying them $225,000.

For Citadel it’s a $950,000 season for 4 games. Clemson has the TV so that makes sense. I understand Army is a special situation but once again I don’t understand the Group of 5 business model.
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(08-25-2020 06:56 AM)mrjoolius Wrote:  I'm hoping the one positive that comes from Covid and the absence of fall sports is that Flosports goes belly up and the CAA is free to broadcast through a more reasonable outlet. Month to month payments are a must. Not this stupid locked in for a year thing.

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(08-20-2020 11:38 AM)tribeinexile Wrote:  It’s starting to look quite possible that many Power 5 schools will have most/all students off campus this semester-except for the football teams.

From a revenue or athletic standpoint this makes a lot of sense but:

1). How can academic institutions justify this? I wonder if the Presidents of schools such as Duke, Vanderbilt, Notre Dame (!) won’t feel obligated to shoot down football in the fall.

2). I can see two sources of litigation for this approach. One, should a student on campus fall ill to Covid, might not the university be liable for providing one level of protection to the general student population and a superior level of protection to its athletes (“the bubble”). This would lead universities to keeping students off site. Two, I imagine students could sue for not being allowed in their dorms when athletes are allowed in theirs.

I highly doubt a student could successfully sue under those theories. In order to prevail in a discrimination claim, you must be in a protected class (race, national origin, sex, etc.) Non-football players don't qualify.
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(08-25-2020 12:10 PM)TribeFan1983 Wrote:  
(08-20-2020 11:38 AM)tribeinexile Wrote:  It’s starting to look quite possible that many Power 5 schools will have most/all students off campus this semester-except for the football teams.

From a revenue or athletic standpoint this makes a lot of sense but:

1). How can academic institutions justify this? I wonder if the Presidents of schools such as Duke, Vanderbilt, Notre Dame (!) won’t feel obligated to shoot down football in the fall.

2). I can see two sources of litigation for this approach. One, should a student on campus fall ill to Covid, might not the university be liable for providing one level of protection to the general student population and a superior level of protection to its athletes (“the bubble”). This would lead universities to keeping students off site. Two, I imagine students could sue for not being allowed in their dorms when athletes are allowed in theirs.

I highly doubt a student could successfully sue under those theories. In order to prevail in a discrimination claim, you must be in a protected class (race, national origin, sex, etc.) Non-football players don't qualify.

then they can use Title IX to sue :)

edit: I am not a laywer
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(08-25-2020 01:50 PM)soccerguy315 Wrote:  
(08-25-2020 12:10 PM)TribeFan1983 Wrote:  
(08-20-2020 11:38 AM)tribeinexile Wrote:  It’s starting to look quite possible that many Power 5 schools will have most/all students off campus this semester-except for the football teams.

From a revenue or athletic standpoint this makes a lot of sense but:

1). How can academic institutions justify this? I wonder if the Presidents of schools such as Duke, Vanderbilt, Notre Dame (!) won’t feel obligated to shoot down football in the fall.

2). I can see two sources of litigation for this approach. One, should a student on campus fall ill to Covid, might not the university be liable for providing one level of protection to the general student population and a superior level of protection to its athletes (“the bubble”). This would lead universities to keeping students off site. Two, I imagine students could sue for not being allowed in their dorms when athletes are allowed in theirs.

I highly doubt a student could successfully sue under those theories. In order to prevail in a discrimination claim, you must be in a protected class (race, national origin, sex, etc.) Non-football players don't qualify.

then they can use Title IX to sue :)

edit: I am not a laywer

If a college let only male athletes stay in the dorms, then a female athlete could sue under Title IX. A non-athlete would have no standing to sue.
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(09-06-2020 09:09 AM)TribeFan1983 Wrote:  
(08-25-2020 01:50 PM)soccerguy315 Wrote:  
(08-25-2020 12:10 PM)TribeFan1983 Wrote:  
(08-20-2020 11:38 AM)tribeinexile Wrote:  It’s starting to look quite possible that many Power 5 schools will have most/all students off campus this semester-except for the football teams.

From a revenue or athletic standpoint this makes a lot of sense but:

1). How can academic institutions justify this? I wonder if the Presidents of schools such as Duke, Vanderbilt, Notre Dame (!) won’t feel obligated to shoot down football in the fall.

2). I can see two sources of litigation for this approach. One, should a student on campus fall ill to Covid, might not the university be liable for providing one level of protection to the general student population and a superior level of protection to its athletes (“the bubble”). This would lead universities to keeping students off site. Two, I imagine students could sue for not being allowed in their dorms when athletes are allowed in theirs.

I highly doubt a student could successfully sue under those theories. In order to prevail in a discrimination claim, you must be in a protected class (race, national origin, sex, etc.) Non-football players don't qualify.

then they can use Title IX to sue :)

edit: I am not a laywer

If a college let only male athletes stay in the dorms, then a female athlete could sue under Title IX. A non-athlete would have no standing to sue.

my thought process was the football team would be male, so if the scenario is only the football team is on campus, then perhaps the argument could be made that only males were allowed on campus.

not sure you would win but I bet you could cost someone a lot of money... lol
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