Interesting...

What a cluster... by the Big Ten. I don't know what to believe anymore. On one hand, it makes complete sense that Kevin Warren wanted to cancel and strong-armed the conference into cancelling. But that appears completely contradictory from allowing his son to play football for Mississippi State. So that must mean the majority of the presidents wanted to cancel, yet all the hearsay says there wasn't even a vote. All the coaches and athletic directors are going on record about supporting playing this fall. Nobody is taking ownership of being in the group who voted "no" to a season.

(08-18-2020 09:23 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  What a cluster... by the Big Ten. I don't know what to believe anymore. On one hand, it makes complete sense that Kevin Warren wanted to cancel and strong-armed the conference into cancelling. But that appears completely contradictory from allowing his son to play football for Mississippi State. So that must mean the majority of the presidents wanted to cancel, yet all the hearsay says there wasn't even a vote. All the coaches and athletic directors are going on record about supporting playing this fall. Nobody is taking ownership of being in the group who voted "no" to a season.

It is a cluster!
That's what happens when there is a lack of communication. From Presidents to AD's to coaches and so on and so on. The commissioner is the voice of reason among the president's and brings the solution to the public. They have all failed! This is the most f**ked up ordeal I have ever witnessed in my life.
Hell, there still may not be a season for anyone in 2020, who knows? But this conference has still appeared to everybody in the country as a conference vanquished by the rest of the P5. All because of a lack of leadership from the the president's and commissioner.

I'm just the messenger...

Quote:No matter what has been stated publicly, Ohio State’s hierarchy hasn’t yet given up on playing football this fall.

Athletic Director Gene Smith, with the full support of school president-elect Kristina Johnson, has been working behind the scenes for the past six days to organize fellow Big Ten conference athletic directors in convincing at least five other university presidents to move forward with a 10-game season to be played among six teams, a source familiar with the movement told me today.

In this proposed format, each team would play the other five Big Ten teams who are participating twice -- once at home and once on the road, beginning on either Sept. 26 or Oct. 3. The season would conclude by mid-December and there would no Big Ten title game in Indianapolis.

https://www.elevenwarriors.com/forum/ohi...l-possible

(08-18-2020 11:00 PM)cubucks Wrote:  I'm just the messenger...

Quote:No matter what has been stated publicly, Ohio State’s hierarchy hasn’t yet given up on playing football this fall.

Athletic Director Gene Smith, with the full support of school president-elect Kristina Johnson, has been working behind the scenes for the past six days to organize fellow Big Ten conference athletic directors in convincing at least five other university presidents to move forward with a 10-game season to be played among six teams, a source familiar with the movement told me today.

In this proposed format, each team would play the other five Big Ten teams who are participating twice -- once at home and once on the road, beginning on either Sept. 26 or Oct. 3. The season would conclude by mid-December and there would no Big Ten title game in Indianapolis.

https://www.elevenwarriors.com/forum/ohi...l-possible

Which six? Ohio State, Nebraska, Iowa, Michigan, Penn State, and Michigan State?

Be careful Ohio State. If you keep this up the media and fans may demand you leave the conference the way everyone currently is directing their hate (or glee depending on their point of view) towards Nebraska.

In a relationship, sometimes you as a couple or your significant other doesn't want to do something like go to dinner with your in-laws but doesn't want to be the bad guy to his/her own family so you volunteer to take the fall so he/she doesn't look bad to his/her own family. Kevin Warren looks like a hypocritical, incompetent loser but maybe it's by design so the heat is taken off the individual schools. Either that or he's about to be fired; after all, nobody wants to replace a legend (Jim Delaney) but everyone wants to replace the replacement.

This whole year has been a "How did we get here?" feel to it that my brain feels deceived by what my eyes are telling me.

(08-18-2020 09:39 PM)cubucks Wrote:  

(08-18-2020 09:23 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  What a cluster... by the Big Ten. I don't know what to believe anymore. On one hand, it makes complete sense that Kevin Warren wanted to cancel and strong-armed the conference into cancelling. But that appears completely contradictory from allowing his son to play football for Mississippi State. So that must mean the majority of the presidents wanted to cancel, yet all the hearsay says there wasn't even a vote. All the coaches and athletic directors are going on record about supporting playing this fall. Nobody is taking ownership of being in the group who voted "no" to a season.

It is a cluster!
That's what happens when there is a lack of communication. From Presidents to AD's to coaches and so on and so on. The commissioner is the voice of reason among the president's and brings the solution to the public. They have all failed! This is the most f**ked up ordeal I have ever witnessed in my life.
Hell, there still may not be a season for anyone in 2020, who knows? But this conference has still appeared to everybody in the country as a conference vanquished by the rest of the P5. All because of a lack of leadership from the the president's and commissioner.

That's because you didn't experience the Big East.

(08-19-2020 10:34 AM)megadrone Wrote:  

(08-18-2020 09:39 PM)cubucks Wrote:  

(08-18-2020 09:23 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  What a cluster... by the Big Ten. I don't know what to believe anymore. On one hand, it makes complete sense that Kevin Warren wanted to cancel and strong-armed the conference into cancelling. But that appears completely contradictory from allowing his son to play football for Mississippi State. So that must mean the majority of the presidents wanted to cancel, yet all the hearsay says there wasn't even a vote. All the coaches and athletic directors are going on record about supporting playing this fall. Nobody is taking ownership of being in the group who voted "no" to a season.

It is a cluster!
That's what happens when there is a lack of communication. From Presidents to AD's to coaches and so on and so on. The commissioner is the voice of reason among the president's and brings the solution to the public. They have all failed! This is the most f**ked up ordeal I have ever witnessed in my life.
Hell, there still may not be a season for anyone in 2020, who knows? But this conference has still appeared to everybody in the country as a conference vanquished by the rest of the P5. All because of a lack of leadership from the the president's and commissioner.

That's because you didn't experience the Big East.

Ha! This buisness we call college football is a dirty one.

(08-19-2020 04:45 PM)cubucks Wrote:  

(08-19-2020 10:34 AM)megadrone Wrote:  

(08-18-2020 09:39 PM)cubucks Wrote:  

(08-18-2020 09:23 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  What a cluster... by the Big Ten. I don't know what to believe anymore. On one hand, it makes complete sense that Kevin Warren wanted to cancel and strong-armed the conference into cancelling. But that appears completely contradictory from allowing his son to play football for Mississippi State. So that must mean the majority of the presidents wanted to cancel, yet all the hearsay says there wasn't even a vote. All the coaches and athletic directors are going on record about supporting playing this fall. Nobody is taking ownership of being in the group who voted "no" to a season.

It is a cluster!
That's what happens when there is a lack of communication. From Presidents to AD's to coaches and so on and so on. The commissioner is the voice of reason among the president's and brings the solution to the public. They have all failed! This is the most f**ked up ordeal I have ever witnessed in my life.
Hell, there still may not be a season for anyone in 2020, who knows? But this conference has still appeared to everybody in the country as a conference vanquished by the rest of the P5. All because of a lack of leadership from the the president's and commissioner.

That's because you didn't experience the Big East.

Ha! This buisness we call college football is a dirty one.

Dirty but highly profitable to P5 universities. Just follow the money, the boosters, and ticket and college apparel sales.

And it continues...

Quote:The NBA is playing in a non-traditional season, in a bubble, with no fans," Moos said. "And to date, nobody cares. Their TV ratings are terrible."

https://omaha.com/sports/college/huskers...ssion=true

I believe this deserves a place here.
Congratulations, Jason Wright.

Quote:Mike McCartney can vividly recall when and where he was the first time he heard Jason Wright speak. He didn't know a thing about the charismatic running back from Northwestern and had no idea he would even be in attendance that day at the annual Big 10 luncheon in Chicago. But McCartney, a Chicago resident, became almost instantly fascinated by him.

There were roughly 2000 people in the ballroom, every coach in the conference gave a speech and three players from every team attended as well. Only one player spoke, however, representing all of the Big 10 student athletes, and this particular July it was Wright, who was about to begin his senior season for the Wildcats.

"I wasn't recruiting him at all," McCartney told me. "I don't even ever really remember watching him play to that point. And he gets up to speak and I sat in that audience and I was truly mesmerized. I said to myself, 'I need this kid in my life.'

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/washi...-the-know/

Sorry to hear Iowa cut four sports programs today. Mens gymnastics, mens/womens swimming and men's tennis.

So are we sure who is in the "Warren Gang" of postponing the season and who is in the play fall football group? I guess the rumor is 6 schools trying to play a double round robin in 2020 for 10 games, 5 home/5 away. If we assume these 6 are the ones who didn't want to postpone or cancel, who are they?

Nebraska, Iowa, Ohio State are the most probable. I would put Penn State in the next tier down. After that, it gets fuzzy.

I think Michigan would lean "don't play" but I can't see them not playing if OSU is playing. Wisconsin seems to be a play too.

Illinois, Northwestern, and maybe Rutgers seem like definite "no play" votes. Maryland is likely "no play" and probably Purdue since they were so quick to figure out how to make a spring 2021 season and fall 2021 season work. I'm on the fence with Minnesota but I'd put them in the "no play" group.

(08-21-2020 10:47 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  So are we sure who is in the "Warren Gang" of postponing the season and who is in the play fall football group? I guess the rumor is 6 schools trying to play a double round robin in 2020 for 10 games, 5 home/5 away. If we assume these 6 are the ones who didn't want to postpone or cancel, who are they?

Nebraska, Iowa, Ohio State are the most probable. I would put Penn State in the next tier down. After that, it gets fuzzy.

I think Michigan would lean "don't play" but I can't see them not playing if OSU is playing. Wisconsin seems to be a play too.

Illinois, Northwestern, and maybe Rutgers seem like definite "no play" votes. Maryland is likely "no play" and probably Purdue since they were so quick to figure out how to make a spring 2021 season and fall 2021 season work. I'm on the fence with Minnesota but I'd put them in the "no play" group.

Ohio State was for the fall, wanted late September early October start. Obviously, Nebraska was all in for the fall too.

Good grief, does anybody know what the f**k is real or fake?

(08-21-2020 10:47 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  So are we sure who is in the "Warren Gang" of postponing the season and who is in the play fall football group? I guess the rumor is 6 schools trying to play a double round robin in 2020 for 10 games, 5 home/5 away. If we assume these 6 are the ones who didn't want to postpone or cancel, who are they?

Nebraska, Iowa, Ohio State are the most probable. I would put Penn State in the next tier down. After that, it gets fuzzy.

I think Michigan would lean "don't play" but I can't see them not playing if OSU is playing. Wisconsin seems to be a play too.

Illinois, Northwestern, and maybe Rutgers seem like definite "no play" votes. Maryland is likely "no play" and probably Purdue since they were so quick to figure out how to make a spring 2021 season and fall 2021 season work. I'm on the fence with Minnesota but I'd put them in the "no play" group.

You don't know how much influence the governor has on how a school president would vote. Rutgers has a new president and Murphy seems to be running the state in limited means until no one has the virus. Michigan and Michigan State would be in the same boat. Just a feeling.

(08-24-2020 08:56 AM)megadrone Wrote:  

(08-21-2020 10:47 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  So are we sure who is in the "Warren Gang" of postponing the season and who is in the play fall football group? I guess the rumor is 6 schools trying to play a double round robin in 2020 for 10 games, 5 home/5 away. If we assume these 6 are the ones who didn't want to postpone or cancel, who are they?

Nebraska, Iowa, Ohio State are the most probable. I would put Penn State in the next tier down. After that, it gets fuzzy.

I think Michigan would lean "don't play" but I can't see them not playing if OSU is playing. Wisconsin seems to be a play too.

Illinois, Northwestern, and maybe Rutgers seem like definite "no play" votes. Maryland is likely "no play" and probably Purdue since they were so quick to figure out how to make a spring 2021 season and fall 2021 season work. I'm on the fence with Minnesota but I'd put them in the "no play" group.

You don't know how much influence the governor has on how a school president would vote. Rutgers has a new president and Murphy seems to be running the state in limited means until no one has the virus. Michigan and Michigan State would be in the same boat. Just a feeling.

I know exactly how it works in the State of Ohio.
I also know that Mr. Warren has been pushing spring ball from the beginning.
I also know that Mrs. Johnson, (tOSU president) was one of the very few pushing for fall football. She tried to compromise by pushing it back to late September or early October.
This was to buy time and hopefully get others on board with this thinking. Obviously, she was outnumbered and that's where it ended.
Bottom line, BIG is not playing, definitively, while three other P5 conferences are along with some others.
Will a winter/spring season happen?

Here lies the problem with this diverse conference. This grand old conference has not had to vote on something as financially impactful as this before. When Delany walked away from ESPN money with a threat, that became reality, to start his own network, that would be next. Other than that, adding new members would be the most complex of agreements. Now it's money, money, and a little more money that is being lost. Look at the numbers! It can and will be crippling for many, if not all.
I don't know if others can complete a season. I do know that the decision by the BIG was very premature and the Leader/Leaders, had and still have a very hard time being transparent.
People should laugh at this conference, it's deserved!
People should be supportive of parents of players protesting this decision. If Mr. Warren can be supportive of his own son competing in a conference that's playing, Mr. Ward and many others can support their children in a conference that is not!