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Will the CAA last?
Colonial is a conference that has members that don’t necessarily align. They don’t seem to have a real strategy, and the conference has a huge footprint from Boston to Charleston, SC. Especially with Covid, conferences seem to be going more regional. How much longer will the current CAA last? CAA is a Mid-Atlantic conference through and through and the travelling required for some schools will be an issue especially when they are looking at cost cutting.

The way I see it, there are some easy fixes. If Northeastern were to swap with UMBC, both America East and CAA would benefit. No more trips to Boston for the southern schools and they gain a competent opponent in UMBC. As well, Towson which is part of the UMD system is already in the conference. For America East, Hartford would be happy to get another private school.

In this scenario, I would foresee CoC leaving as well. I’m not sure for which conference but the SoCon would be a nice fit despite their hatred for all other Charleston schools and as much as they hate to admit it, they’d be more competitive there. From there, CAA could add UNCG and UNCA to go with UNCW and Howard as well. They would be adding a football member without losing a football school. From there, I would add one more school for 12 then split up into a north and south division.

In my opinion, this would make CAA much more stable and schools would be more aligned but how likely would this scenario be?
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RE: Will the CAA last?
CAA is in a unique spot. Academic profile, more so than geography, is what binds them.

Ego keeps its members from regionalizing.
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RE: Will the CAA last?
The CAA is not a bad or great conference. Somewhere in the middle. I think of them as a step below the A-10 and a step above most of the other Eastern-based conferences.
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RE: Will the CAA last?
The CAA needed the North East schools at the time to take over A10 Football (formerly the Yankee Conference). Two of those programs after moving to the CAA then dropped football, Hofstra and Northeastern. The CAA started to move south down to Georgia State, which helped the cause for UMass leaving and then URI said it was leaving. The CAA took an about face and then added Albany to appease the North East schools and URI chose to stay with the CAA for football. Does football influence the CAA, we only have our men's Lacrosse team in the CAA but think so. The Mid-Atlantic through the North East is a very good Lacrosse corridor and the CAA is a very good FCS FB conference. (Basketball took a hit as the A10 was proactive in adding teams knowing it would be raided. Initially taking Richmond, then VCU, and finally George Mason.)

In short it's footprint is fine.
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RE: Will the CAA last?
The CAA has a very nice conference. The core (JMU, Delaware, Towson, W&M and Elon) is geographically compact, with academic comparability, and compete in FCS football. It would be better if they can convince Richmond to come back...in all sports.

UMBC, UNCG and UNCA only address one of three key criteria...geography. CAA expansion should be based on more than just geography.
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RE: Will the CAA last?
Didn’t CofC already do the SoCon thing after Marshall left?
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(07-02-2020 05:48 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  Didn’t CofC already do the SoCon thing after Marshall left?

Yep. They left what is now the ASun for it. The lack of football made them an awkward fit.
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(07-02-2020 04:47 PM)Steve1981 Wrote:  The CAA needed the North East schools at the time to take over A10 Football (formerly the Yankee Conference). Two of those programs after moving to the CAA then dropped football, Hofstra and Northeastern. The CAA started to move south down to Georgia State, which helped the cause for UMass leaving and then URI said it was leaving. The CAA took an about face and then added Albany to appease the North East schools and URI chose to stay with the CAA for football. Does football influence the CAA, we only have our men's Lacrosse team in the CAA but think so. The Mid-Atlantic through the North East is a very good Lacrosse corridor and the CAA is a very good FCS FB conference. (Basketball took a hit as the A10 was proactive in adding teams knowing it would be raided. Initially taking Richmond, then VCU, and finally George Mason.)

In short it's footprint is fine.

Northeastern makes no sense, especially once they dropped football.
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RE: Will the CAA last?
(07-02-2020 08:22 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(07-02-2020 04:47 PM)Steve1981 Wrote:  The CAA needed the North East schools at the time to take over A10 Football (formerly the Yankee Conference). Two of those programs after moving to the CAA then dropped football, Hofstra and Northeastern. The CAA started to move south down to Georgia State, which helped the cause for UMass leaving and then URI said it was leaving. The CAA took an about face and then added Albany to appease the North East schools and URI chose to stay with the CAA for football. Does football influence the CAA, we only have our men's Lacrosse team in the CAA but think so. The Mid-Atlantic through the North East is a very good Lacrosse corridor and the CAA is a very good FCS FB conference. (Basketball took a hit as the A10 was proactive in adding teams knowing it would be raided. Initially taking Richmond, then VCU, and finally George Mason.)

In short it's footprint is fine.

Northeastern makes no sense, especially once they dropped football.

Yeah, CAA could’ve had a somewhat of an identity with a NY-SC footprint. Stretching out to Boston took away any cohesiveness.
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NE was pretty good in BB for sometime so see the benefit there.

The CAA wanted the football conference and the A10 could care less, especially members as Xavier. The other odd thing is Bruno was not the best commissioner and when she picked Fordham, did not require Fordham to move their football to the A10 but left it in the Patriot. Otherwise the CAA would not had the votes for A10 football. The swing vote was the new member Richmond that went with the CAA. Further evidence the A10 brass did not care about football. If they wanted football, the A10 brass would have been able to put pressure on Richmond as unfavorable schedules, more mid-week than week end games and poorer travel match ups etc.
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RE: Will the CAA last?
If you think the CAA has a large footprint, what do you think of the ACC? Sun Belt? C-USA? AAC? Mountain West? Big Sky? WAC? Who else am I missing?
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(07-02-2020 09:56 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  If you think the CAA has a large footprint, what do you think of the ACC? Sun Belt? C-USA? AAC? Mountain West? Big Sky? WAC? Who else am I missing?

The CAA is a mid major conference that doesn’t have the money of ACC, AAC, Sun Belt or Mountain West. These are all FBS conferences with large TV contracts and larger payouts mostly due to teams qualifying for bowls. You can’t be comparing apples and oranges here. A school like Florida State or Virginia Tech vs a Northeastern or UNCW makes no sense.

The WAC is in a precocious state as well having to grab teams from D2, while losing 2 teams already this season. Chicago State won’t survive in the WAC and NMSU will run when an FBS conference comes calling.

The Big Sky works because they are 1) all public universities with aligned goals, 2) cohesion among the teams, 3) a lack of places for teams to move out west.
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(07-02-2020 08:40 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  
(07-02-2020 08:22 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(07-02-2020 04:47 PM)Steve1981 Wrote:  The CAA needed the North East schools at the time to take over A10 Football (formerly the Yankee Conference). Two of those programs after moving to the CAA then dropped football, Hofstra and Northeastern. The CAA started to move south down to Georgia State, which helped the cause for UMass leaving and then URI said it was leaving. The CAA took an about face and then added Albany to appease the North East schools and URI chose to stay with the CAA for football. Does football influence the CAA, we only have our men's Lacrosse team in the CAA but think so. The Mid-Atlantic through the North East is a very good Lacrosse corridor and the CAA is a very good FCS FB conference. (Basketball took a hit as the A10 was proactive in adding teams knowing it would be raided. Initially taking Richmond, then VCU, and finally George Mason.)

In short it's footprint is fine.

Northeastern makes no sense, especially once they dropped football.

Yeah, CAA could’ve had a somewhat of an identity with a NY-SC footprint. Stretching out to Boston took away any cohesiveness.

Exactly my thought process which is why I think the best move would be having Northeastern going to AEC and CAA taking UMBC. That way, the CAA would be a Mid Atlantic conference which makes much more sense.
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(07-02-2020 10:15 PM)dirtyjersey Wrote:  
(07-02-2020 09:56 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  If you think the CAA has a large footprint, what do you think of the ACC? Sun Belt? C-USA? AAC? Mountain West? Big Sky? WAC? Who else am I missing?

The CAA is a mid major conference that doesn’t have the money of ACC, AAC, Sun Belt or Mountain West. These are all FBS conferences with large TV contracts and larger payouts mostly due to teams qualifying for bowls. You can’t be comparing apples and oranges here. A school like Florida State or Virginia Tech vs a Northeastern or UNCW makes no sense.

The WAC is in a precocious state as well having to grab teams from D2, while losing 2 teams already this season. Chicago State won’t survive in the WAC and NMSU will run when an FBS conference comes calling.

The Big Sky works because they are 1) all public universities with aligned goals, 2) cohesion among the teams, 3) a lack of places for teams to move out west.

https://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/

CAA schools actually have pretty big budgets. Delaware and JMU both outspend the top Sun Belt school, and every public CAA school outspends the bottom few Sun Belt schools (ULM, UALR, UT-Arlington)
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CofC has a bigger basketball budget than anyone in the SoCon. Furman has the highest in the SoCon at $2.29 million. Only Towson has a lower budget than Furman in the CAA.

Also the CAA has a TV deal now with CBSSN. It isn’t that much, but it did give it some added exposure it didn’t have before. FloSports is paying them a small sum as well.
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I get skeptical whenever I heard about a realignment that involves conferences swapping schools. If the CAA decided that going divisional would save it money, it would just look for two to add and go to divisions.

But that goes counter to the trend of increasing conference games because your common OOC partners are increasing conference games because ... because THEIR OOC partners are increasing conference games.

There might be more rumblings of travel cost issues in the ASUN and Big South, and perhaps that is what is driving the (seemingly bored with his main job) ASUN Commissioner to be stirring the pot on seemingly novel solutions to the problem.
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(07-02-2020 09:56 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  If you think the CAA has a large footprint, what do you think of the ACC? Sun Belt? C-USA? AAC? Mountain West? Big Sky? WAC? Who else am I missing?

Big Ten. Big East. AAC (actually they seem to have most of their teams in the right area, Temple is just the oddball, we should just leave if we can find a better conference).
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(07-03-2020 04:58 AM)schmolik Wrote:  
(07-02-2020 09:56 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  If you think the CAA has a large footprint, what do you think of the ACC? Sun Belt? C-USA? AAC? Mountain West? Big Sky? WAC? Who else am I missing?

Big Ten. Big East. AAC (actually they seem to have most of their teams in the right area, Temple is just the oddball, we should just leave if we can find a better conference).


Are you a Temple fan, schmolik?
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(07-03-2020 08:08 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  
(07-03-2020 04:58 AM)schmolik Wrote:  
(07-02-2020 09:56 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  If you think the CAA has a large footprint, what do you think of the ACC? Sun Belt? C-USA? AAC? Mountain West? Big Sky? WAC? Who else am I missing?

Big Ten. Big East. AAC (actually they seem to have most of their teams in the right area, Temple is just the oddball, we should just leave if we can find a better conference).


Are you a Temple fan, schmolik?

I do live in the Philadelphia area, it's hard not to be.
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(07-03-2020 08:10 AM)schmolik Wrote:  
(07-03-2020 08:08 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  
(07-03-2020 04:58 AM)schmolik Wrote:  
(07-02-2020 09:56 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  If you think the CAA has a large footprint, what do you think of the ACC? Sun Belt? C-USA? AAC? Mountain West? Big Sky? WAC? Who else am I missing?

Big Ten. Big East. AAC (actually they seem to have most of their teams in the right area, Temple is just the oddball, we should just leave if we can find a better conference).


Are you a Temple fan, schmolik?

I do live in the Philadelphia area, it's hard not to be.


I was curious. You and I might be the only two posters on this board who cheer for programs in the Big Ten, the Big East and the American.

Philly is a fantastic city, too.
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