A little more than expected considering this is still the old contract.
https://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/u...story.html

2018-19 fiscal year, so 2018 season, and UCF's Fiesta Bowl.
CFP payments include $2million in expenses for the NY6 bowl participant. That passes through the conference but it is not divided up like the other $22 million we got from the CFP that year.

Memphis should see a similar edge over other teams in the '19-'20 fiscal year breakdown that I hope we see in a year.

Nice work by the Sentinel. Good to these details, both revenue sources and payouts.

Too bad that it's all eaten up by production costs....

(06-28-2020 08:43 AM)8BitPirate Wrote:  Too bad that it's all eaten up by production costs....

How ever will we cope? :(

(06-28-2020 08:37 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  2018-19 fiscal year, so 2018 season, and UCF's Fiesta Bowl.
CFP payments include $2million in expenses for the NY6 bowl participant. That passes through the conference but it is not divided up like the other $22 million we got from the CFP that year.

Memphis should see a similar edge over other teams in the '19-'20 fiscal year breakdown that I hope we see in a year.

Nice work by the Sentinel. Good to these details, both revenue sources and payouts.

In recent interviews, Aresco said more money was distributed in ‘19/20. I would guess everyone except UCF should see an increase. However minimal the increase may be, it’s better than the decreases other conferences will see due to covid.

AAC 2018-19 revenue = $73.2M, down 6% from 2017-18. For comparison purposes, BYU posted revenue of $72.6M, in 2018.

Back on topic... What UCF has been able to do with a shoe string budget in regards to their Football program is amazing... George O'leary is HOF for sure!!!

(06-29-2020 08:11 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  AAC 2018-19 revenue = $73.2M, down 6% from 2017-18. For comparison purposes, BYU posted revenue of $72.6M, in 2018.

Back on topic... What UCF has been able to do with a shoe string budget in regards to their Football program is amazing... George O'leary is HOF for sure!!!

I think you just compared apples to oranges. I may be wrong but I think you are comparing AAC total bowl revenues to BYU total football revenue. However I'm also curious about how our revenues went down in 2018-19 when we got Liberty bowl revenue on top of the ny6 monies on top of our other bowls, whereas in 2017-18 I think we were paid from the same bowl lineup minus the Liberty bowl. Like I stated I could be wrong but I'm sure that some of our great posters that are good at this kind of thing can correct this,seeing how you have such of an obvious need to spin everything AAC in the worst way that you can.

(06-29-2020 08:43 PM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  

(06-29-2020 08:11 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  AAC 2018-19 revenue = $73.2M, down 6% from 2017-18. For comparison purposes, BYU posted revenue of $72.6M, in 2018.

Back on topic... What UCF has been able to do with a shoe string budget in regards to their Football program is amazing... George O'leary is HOF for sure!!!

I think you just compared apples to oranges. I may be wrong but I think you are comparing AAC total bowl revenues to BYU total football revenue. However I'm also curious about how our revenues went down in 2018-19 when we got Liberty bowl revenue on top of the ny6 monies on top of our other bowls, whereas in 2017-18 I think we were paid from the same bowl lineup minus the Liberty bowl. Like I stated I could be wrong but I'm sure that some of our great posters that are good at this kind of thing can correct this,seeing how you have such of an obvious need to spin everything AAC in the worst way that you can.

Start with post #2 - this is the 2018 football season / '18-'19 fiscal year. Gulfcoastgal already noted Aresco in interviews saying that 2019-2020 fiscal year distributions were up from what this article details.

And you are reading it wrong - this is total conference revenues for that year, and total conference distributions to teams in that year.
I don't know what the BYU revenue is - reads like total athletic department revenues. But that is still irrelevant - 50k average football attendance, donations from a global LDS base - thats probably right, and in keeping with other reporting but an irrelevant comparison from UConnWyomingGTFletch.

(06-29-2020 08:11 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  AAC 2018-19 revenue = $73.2M, down 6% from 2017-18. For comparison purposes, BYU posted revenue of $72.6M, in 2018.

Back on topic... What UCF has been able to do with a shoe string budget in regards to their Football program is amazing... George O'leary is HOF for sure!!!

Sorry accidental repost.

(06-29-2020 09:00 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(06-29-2020 08:43 PM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  

(06-29-2020 08:11 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  AAC 2018-19 revenue = $73.2M, down 6% from 2017-18. For comparison purposes, BYU posted revenue of $72.6M, in 2018.

Back on topic... What UCF has been able to do with a shoe string budget in regards to their Football program is amazing... George O'leary is HOF for sure!!!

I think you just compared apples to oranges. I may be wrong but I think you are comparing AAC total bowl revenues to BYU total football revenue. However I'm also curious about how our revenues went down in 2018-19 when we got Liberty bowl revenue on top of the ny6 monies on top of our other bowls, whereas in 2017-18 I think we were paid from the same bowl lineup minus the Liberty bowl. Like I stated I could be wrong but I'm sure that some of our great posters that are good at this kind of thing can correct this,seeing how you have such of an obvious need to spin everything AAC in the worst way that you can.

Start with post #2 - this is the 2018 football season / '18-'19 fiscal year. Gulfcoastgal already noted Aresco in interviews saying that 2019-2020 fiscal year distributions were up from what this article details.

And you are reading it wrong - this is total conference revenues for that year, and total conference distributions to teams in that year.
I don't know what the BYU revenue is - reads like total athletic department revenues. But that is still irrelevant - 50k average football attendance, donations from a global LDS base - thats probably right, and in keeping with other reporting but an irrelevant comparison from UConnWyomingGTFletch.

Thanks slhNavy. I think you and gulfcoastgal are two of the most informative and objective posters on not only this board but many others.

(06-29-2020 08:43 PM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  

(06-29-2020 08:11 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  AAC 2018-19 revenue = $73.2M, down 6% from 2017-18. For comparison purposes, BYU posted revenue of $72.6M, in 2018.

Back on topic... What UCF has been able to do with a shoe string budget in regards to their Football program is amazing... George O'leary is HOF for sure!!!

I think you just compared apples to oranges. I may be wrong but I think you are comparing AAC total bowl revenues to BYU total football revenue. However I'm also curious about how our revenues went down in 2018-19 when we got Liberty bowl revenue on top of the ny6 monies on top of our other bowls, whereas in 2017-18 I think we were paid from the same bowl lineup minus the Liberty bowl. Like I stated I could be wrong but I'm sure that some of our great posters that are good at this kind of thing can correct this,seeing how you have such of an obvious need to spin everything AAC in the worst way that you can.

HOF? Did he get A5 money?

(06-29-2020 08:43 PM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  

(06-29-2020 08:11 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  AAC 2018-19 revenue = $73.2M, down 6% from 2017-18. For comparison purposes, BYU posted revenue of $72.6M, in 2018.

Back on topic... What UCF has been able to do with a shoe string budget in regards to their Football program is amazing... George O'leary is HOF for sure!!!

I think you just compared apples to oranges. I may be wrong but I think you are comparing AAC total bowl revenues to BYU total football revenue. However I'm also curious about how our revenues went down in 2018-19 when we got Liberty bowl revenue on top of the ny6 monies on top of our other bowls, whereas in 2017-18 I think we were paid from the same bowl lineup minus the Liberty bowl. Like I stated I could be wrong but I'm sure that some of our great posters that are good at this kind of thing can correct this, seeing how you have such of an obvious need to spin everything AAC in the worst way that you can.

I compared AAC total Conf 2018-19 revenue of $73.2M that was distributed to mbr schools to the 2018-19 BYU revenue. I guess I could have chosen a P5 Conf to compare with, however it wouldn't make much sense as P5 conf's make five to ten times more pending on conf.

However BYU seemed to be a fair comparision as some in the AAC think BYU would consider membership into the AAC, however that is a huge myth as BYU's TV deal as an indy smokes the AAC's new TV deal (thats why Uconn left) as shown in comparing BYU (as an Indy) $$ from 2018-19 to the entire AAC Conf $$ for 2018-19 before given to mbr schools.

(06-30-2020 08:04 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  

(06-29-2020 08:43 PM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  

(06-29-2020 08:11 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  AAC 2018-19 revenue = $73.2M, down 6% from 2017-18. For comparison purposes, BYU posted revenue of $72.6M, in 2018.

Back on topic... What UCF has been able to do with a shoe string budget in regards to their Football program is amazing... George O'leary is HOF for sure!!!

I think you just compared apples to oranges. I may be wrong but I think you are comparing AAC total bowl revenues to BYU total football revenue. However I'm also curious about how our revenues went down in 2018-19 when we got Liberty bowl revenue on top of the ny6 monies on top of our other bowls, whereas in 2017-18 I think we were paid from the same bowl lineup minus the Liberty bowl. Like I stated I could be wrong but I'm sure that some of our great posters that are good at this kind of thing can correct this, seeing how you have such of an obvious need to spin everything AAC in the worst way that you can.

I compared AAC total Conf 2018-19 revenue of $73.2M that was distributed to mbr schools to the 2018-19 BYU revenue. I guess I could have chosen a P5 Conf to compare with, however it wouldn't make much sense as P5 conf's make five to ten times more pending on conf.

However BYU seemed to be a fair comparision as some in the AAC think BYU would consider membership into the AAC, however that is a huge myth as BYU's TV deal as an indy smokes the AAC's new TV deal (thats why Uconn left) as shown in comparing BYU (as an Indy) $$ from 2018-19 to the entire AAC Conf $$ for 2018-19 before given to mbr schools.

I agree right up to the UConn part. UConn hit the ole 'reset button' (and paid 19.5 million to do it). They made a basketball first decision and their crappy new football tv deal shows it. BE hoops would be a blast but it would also mean Memphis wouldn't have played in the Cotton Bowl...we're not prepared to do that to our football program after spending all the time, energy, and money into building it up.

(06-30-2020 08:04 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  

(06-29-2020 08:43 PM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  

(06-29-2020 08:11 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  AAC 2018-19 revenue = $73.2M, down 6% from 2017-18. For comparison purposes, BYU posted revenue of $72.6M, in 2018.

Back on topic... What UCF has been able to do with a shoe string budget in regards to their Football program is amazing... George O'leary is HOF for sure!!!

I think you just compared apples to oranges. I may be wrong but I think you are comparing AAC total bowl revenues to BYU total football revenue. However I'm also curious about how our revenues went down in 2018-19 when we got Liberty bowl revenue on top of the ny6 monies on top of our other bowls, whereas in 2017-18 I think we were paid from the same bowl lineup minus the Liberty bowl. Like I stated I could be wrong but I'm sure that some of our great posters that are good at this kind of thing can correct this, seeing how you have such of an obvious need to spin everything AAC in the worst way that you can.

I compared AAC total Conf 2018-19 revenue of $73.2M that was distributed to mbr schools to the 2018-19 BYU revenue. I guess I could have chosen a P5 Conf to compare with, however it wouldn't make much sense as P5 conf's make five to ten times more pending on conf.

However BYU seemed to be a fair comparision as some in the AAC think BYU would consider membership into the AAC, however that is a huge myth as BYU's TV deal as an indy smokes the AAC's new TV deal (thats why Uconn left) as shown in comparing BYU (as an Indy) $$ from 2018-19 to the entire AAC Conf $$ for 2018-19 before given to mbr schools.

I know that you don't realize just how wrong you are in your zeal to to hurt our feelings, ut better people than me will correct you,,,,, unless they're literally laughing at you as much as I am. However I'll give you a hint ok,,,, YOU ARE COMPARING APPLES TO ORANGES LOLOL. Now do a little investigating and less trolling and you may figure it out.

(06-30-2020 08:04 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  

(06-29-2020 08:43 PM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  

(06-29-2020 08:11 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  AAC 2018-19 revenue = $73.2M, down 6% from 2017-18. For comparison purposes, BYU posted revenue of $72.6M, in 2018.

Back on topic... What UCF has been able to do with a shoe string budget in regards to their Football program is amazing... George O'leary is HOF for sure!!!

I think you just compared apples to oranges. I may be wrong but I think you are comparing AAC total bowl revenues to BYU total football revenue. However I'm also curious about how our revenues went down in 2018-19 when we got Liberty bowl revenue on top of the ny6 monies on top of our other bowls, whereas in 2017-18 I think we were paid from the same bowl lineup minus the Liberty bowl. Like I stated I could be wrong but I'm sure that some of our great posters that are good at this kind of thing can correct this, seeing how you have such of an obvious need to spin everything AAC in the worst way that you can.

I compared AAC total Conf 2018-19 revenue of $73.2M that was distributed to mbr schools to the 2018-19 BYU revenue. I guess I could have chosen a P5 Conf to compare with, however it wouldn't make much sense as P5 conf's make five to ten times more pending on conf.

However BYU seemed to be a fair comparision as some in the AAC think BYU would consider membership into the AAC, however that is a huge myth as BYU's TV deal as an indy smokes the AAC's new TV deal (thats why Uconn left) as shown in comparing BYU (as an Indy) $$ from 2018-19 to the entire AAC Conf $$ for 2018-19 before given to mbr schools.

2/10 troll attempt.

(06-30-2020 08:04 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  

(06-29-2020 08:43 PM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  

(06-29-2020 08:11 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  AAC 2018-19 revenue = $73.2M, down 6% from 2017-18. For comparison purposes, BYU posted revenue of $72.6M, in 2018.

Back on topic... What UCF has been able to do with a shoe string budget in regards to their Football program is amazing... George O'leary is HOF for sure!!!

I think you just compared apples to oranges. I may be wrong but I think you are comparing AAC total bowl revenues to BYU total football revenue. However I'm also curious about how our revenues went down in 2018-19 when we got Liberty bowl revenue on top of the ny6 monies on top of our other bowls, whereas in 2017-18 I think we were paid from the same bowl lineup minus the Liberty bowl. Like I stated I could be wrong but I'm sure that some of our great posters that are good at this kind of thing can correct this, seeing how you have such of an obvious need to spin everything AAC in the worst way that you can.

I compared AAC total Conf 2018-19 revenue of $73.2M that was distributed to mbr schools to the 2018-19 BYU revenue. I guess I could have chosen a P5 Conf to compare with, however it wouldn't make much sense as P5 conf's make five to ten times more pending on conf.

However BYU seemed to be a fair comparision as some in the AAC think BYU would consider membership into the AAC, however that is a huge myth as BYU's TV deal as an indy smokes the AAC's new TV deal (thats why Uconn left) as shown in comparing BYU (as an Indy) $$ from 2018-19 to the entire AAC Conf $$ for 2018-19 before given to mbr schools.

Okay, the question of BYU to the AAC has been discussed. That has nothing to do with this thread.
At risk of your once again resurrecting a months-dead thread (sigh, yet again) you could find one bring it up there.
If you want to take these numbers, well, these are from 2018. So irrelevant to the new AAC deal vis a vis BYU.
If you wanted to take AAC conference revenue vs BYU revenue, start from the new deal, so add $60M - the article mentions $22M vs the average annual value of the new deal of $83.3M.
But actually, if we want BYU football only, then about 91% of that BYU Athletic Department revenue remains the same: tickets, sponsirships, WCC tourney credits from Gonzaga and St Marys, LDS faithful donations. The only REAL difference for BYU's annual revenue is the difference between BYU's independent football media deal with ESPN - variable based on actual network appearances but $6.5M per year - and a football-only share of the future AAC deal of about $5.6M.

That's it. Around $1M per year for the chance at a Cotton/Peach/Fiesta Bowl.

Your numbers? Indeed apples to oranges.

Now, why again are you here?

So I dug a little deeper into this...nerd alert now, if you want to click "back"...

Murschel did a similar article two years ago (for the 2016 football season and '16-'17 year) but with a little less information. I couldn't find the same from a year ago (for the 2017 football season and '17-'18 year). I hope the Orlando Sentinel or someone else covers this in another year, to get a good baseline of the end of the old media contract.
(In interviews, Aresco has already said that distributions for the '19-'20 year were up slightly, even with giving some media money back due to loss of conference basketball tournaments and spring sports).

At the macro-level, the conference expenses for the '18-'19 year look like they're just over $20M (total expenses minus distributions to schools). I don't know if that is "normal" or if starting the move bumped them up, or what. A lot of people like to harp on Aresco's salary - looks like 9% of the conference's expenses. Definitely one to watch if we get similar data in another year.

Another thought - the article showed a distribution of $1.08M to UConn. However, with the departure for the Big East, the lion's share of the $17M exit fees would be paid by withholding UConn's distribution in '18-'19 and '19-'20. I theorize that the $1.08M reflects the last of the original Big East exit fees. If we pull that out for Cincinnati and USF and also pull out the $2M Fiesta expenses for UCF that we already highlighted...then theoretical "standardized" distributions have UCF still an outlier at $5.47M and Cincinnati, USF, Memphis, Temple, Houston all between $4.354M and $4.96M. Those are six of the seven bowl teams. The seventh bowl team, Tulane sits $270k-ish ahead of ECU, SMU, and Tulsa all three of which are within $48k of each other.

The range of distribution figures fits VERY well with differentials due to how the conference handles bowl money. Without knowing specifics of how the AAC doles out bowl money, most conferences have two big variables.
1. Bowl expenses are generally reimbursed on some set calculation - the "bigger" the bowl, the bigger a traveling party you are allotted for reimbursement. Distance is also usually factored in.
2. Tickets. A big chunk of any bowl's "payout" comes in the form of the ticket allotment. You sell all your tickets, the payout actually hits the dollar figure in the news stories; you don't sell all the tickets, the cash comes up short of the public figure. Some conferences basically just give any ticket sales revenue to the school; others cover a certain amount of unsold tickets, or viewed from the other direction pay a bonus for selling above some floor; bowls like Hawaii that only like three schools can successfully sell tickets to may just be assumed to be a loss in the ticket sales column.
Definitely fits overall, without drilling down into how each school's ticket sales went (and still guessing about the calculations the conference uses).

The variations in distribution did not take into account MBB tournament credits. The OS story cites $40.1M revenue from postseasons - taking out known numbers for CFP and other bowls, I get to $11.2M AAC revenue for MBB March Madness in the 2018-2019 season. Does that sound right? We also have previously discussed those dollars being distributed equally (rather than, say, having a WCC "Gonzaga rule").

One final note - 2018-19 is a good year to look at Navy. Last year of the previously-existing independent TV contract, AND a rare non-bowl year for Navy. In another year, we should be able to see the injection of the "Navy tier" before the 2020-21 year begins the new media rights contract.
So....that $1.978M...that number is QUITE close to 1/12th of the CFP payout after the NY6 participant's $2M expenses comes out...that number is even closer, though, to precisely 60% of the $3.3M that non-bowl ECU, SMU, Tulsa received. 60% for a football only school, rather than 70% or 80%, might shake some assumptions (including how much the UConn re-adjustment might be...)

If you have read this far, please help fill in the blanks.
- Good numbers on MBB tourney $ ?
- Any info from the 2017-2018 year to fill in the gap between two Murschel articles?
- Bowl ticket sales hard data? Could start figuring out how the conference distributes bowl money.

2017 form 990:
https://pdf.guidestar.org/PDF_Images/201...1df9-9.pdf

I’m not sure I can find the exact interview, but Dr. Rudd mentioned bowl revenue being separate in the negotiation process. I recall him saying “We get to keep all of it.” I meant to look further into that statement and why he took a moment to emphasize it, but never got back around to it. He stressed the point about bowl revenue and inserting the “look in“ as being important. How it differed from the previous contract or other conference contracts, IDK. I suspect bowl/media value maybe bundled in some conference totals.

ETA: if you’re looking for macro fluctuations, exit/entry fees make up a considerable chunk over the years. 2017 doesn’t have much in way of exit fees, but does include entrance fees IIRC.

(07-06-2020 12:36 AM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:  2017 form 990:
https://pdf.guidestar.org/PDF_Images/201...1df9-9.pdf

I’m not sure I can find the exact interview, but Dr. Rudd mentioned bowl revenue being separate in the negotiation process. I recall him saying “We get to keep all of it.” I meant to look further into that statement and why he took a moment to emphasize it, but never got back around to it. He stressed the point about bowl revenue and inserting the “look in“ as being important. How it differed from the previous contract or other conference contracts, IDK. I suspect bowl/media value maybe bundled in some conference totals.

ETA: if you’re looking for macro fluctuations, exit/entry fees make up a considerable chunk over the years. 2017 doesn’t have much in way of exit fees, but does include entrance fees IIRC.

Thanks for the Form 990!

(06-30-2020 09:36 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(06-30-2020 08:04 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  

(06-29-2020 08:43 PM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  

(06-29-2020 08:11 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  AAC 2018-19 revenue = $73.2M, down 6% from 2017-18. For comparison purposes, BYU posted revenue of $72.6M, in 2018.

Back on topic... What UCF has been able to do with a shoe string budget in regards to their Football program is amazing... George O'leary is HOF for sure!!!

I think you just compared apples to oranges. I may be wrong but I think you are comparing AAC total bowl revenues to BYU total football revenue. However I'm also curious about how our revenues went down in 2018-19 when we got Liberty bowl revenue on top of the ny6 monies on top of our other bowls, whereas in 2017-18 I think we were paid from the same bowl lineup minus the Liberty bowl. Like I stated I could be wrong but I'm sure that some of our great posters that are good at this kind of thing can correct this, seeing how you have such of an obvious need to spin everything AAC in the worst way that you can.

I compared AAC total Conf 2018-19 revenue of $73.2M that was distributed to mbr schools to the 2018-19 BYU revenue. I guess I could have chosen a P5 Conf to compare with, however it wouldn't make much sense as P5 conf's make five to ten times more pending on conf.

However BYU seemed to be a fair comparision as some in the AAC think BYU would consider membership into the AAC, however that is a huge myth as BYU's TV deal as an indy smokes the AAC's new TV deal (thats why Uconn left) as shown in comparing BYU (as an Indy) $$ from 2018-19 to the entire AAC Conf $$ for 2018-19 before given to mbr schools.

Okay, the question of BYU to the AAC has been discussed. That has nothing to do with this thread.
At risk of your once again resurrecting a months-dead thread (sigh, yet again) you could find one bring it up there.
If you want to take these numbers, well, these are from 2018. So irrelevant to the new AAC deal vis a vis BYU.
If you wanted to take AAC conference revenue vs BYU revenue, start from the new deal, so add $60M - the article mentions $22M vs the average annual value of the new deal of $83.3M.
But actually, if we want BYU football only, then about 91% of that BYU Athletic Department revenue remains the same: tickets, sponsirships, WCC tourney credits from Gonzaga and St Marys, LDS faithful donations. The only REAL difference for BYU's annual revenue is the difference between BYU's independent football media deal with ESPN - variable based on actual network appearances but $6.5M per year - and a football-only share of the future AAC deal of about $5.6M.

That's it. Around $1M per year for the chance at a Cotton/Peach/Fiesta Bowl.

Your numbers? Indeed apples to oranges.

Now, why again are you here?

BYU’s football revenue in 2016, the latest year available, was $26.1 million.

Link
https://www.sltrib.com/sports/byu-cougar...20million.