(06-27-2020 10:59 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  Its really comical seeing you trying to advance some agenda, even though I dont know what it is exactly, except that you refuse to admit that there is a serious health issue in this country. There is a pandemic that is spreading like wildfire so much so that Texas is pausing their opening as we speak while the governor expresses regrets for opening too soon. and Florida is also taking more precautions after breaking another record of infections now for a whole week. And Europe is in the process of blocking Americans from coming to their continent, right along with Russia and Brazil. But you and your ilk can keep your head buried in the ground and trying to convince everyone that everything is fine.

https://twitter.com/RepDanCrenshaw/statu...2903364615

hey pal ...
what’s your agenda ...
mine’s real clear ...
freedom ...
free from debt ...
individual responsibility ...
antithetical to the prevailing prescription: government hand-holding ...

ICONOCLAST

Green, nobody is saying to stay indoors living in perpetual fear all the time - that's a straw man argument.

On the other hand, the fact that a man of science changed his recommendation after the data starts rolling in should confirm - not invalidate - his position. He's following the scientific method!

As for wearing masks taking away freedom, how much freedom do you think you'd have in the hospital, on a respirator for a few weeks? Even if you don't care about the risk to yourself, how about showing some love for your neighbors!

(06-27-2020 12:28 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Green, nobody is saying to stay indoors living in perpetual fear all the time - that's a straw man argument.

On the other hand, the fact that a man of science changed his recommendation after the data starts rolling in should confirm - not invalidate - his position. He's following the scientific method!

As for wearing masks taking away freedom, how much freedom do you think you'd have in the hospital, on a respirator for a few weeks? Even if you don't care about the risk to yourself, how about showing some love for your neighbors!

A lot of the frustration that some feel is the moving target that keeps coming out of science and scientists.
Fauci himself encouraged people to go on cruises just before thousands of folks were stranded and quarantined on ships.
Then it was don't get on a cruise ship.
Then Fauci said there was no reason to wear a mask, now we all must wear a mask.
Politicians have taken their cues from scientists, it's the scientists that have been very inconsistent with their recommendations and advice.

A man of science with 30 years of experience should know, not learn on the fly.

(06-27-2020 01:15 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(06-27-2020 12:28 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Green, nobody is saying to stay indoors living in perpetual fear all the time - that's a straw man argument.

On the other hand, the fact that a man of science changed his recommendation after the data starts rolling in should confirm - not invalidate - his position. He's following the scientific method!

As for wearing masks taking away freedom, how much freedom do you think you'd have in the hospital, on a respirator for a few weeks? Even if you don't care about the risk to yourself, how about showing some love for your neighbors!

A lot of the frustration that some feel is the moving target that keeps coming out of science and scientists.
Fauci himself encouraged people to go on cruises just before thousands of folks were stranded and quarantined on ships.
Then it was don't get on a cruise ship.
Then Fauci said there was no reason to wear a mask, now we all must wear a mask.
Politicians have taken their cues from scientists, it's the scientists that have been very inconsistent with their recommendations and advice.

A man of science with 30 years of experience should know, not learn on the fly.

Frustration is very understandable. That whole "don't wear masks because the medical professionals need them more than you do" was ill-conceived, IMO. There were better ways to handle that without undermining public trust.

(06-27-2020 01:53 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(06-27-2020 01:15 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(06-27-2020 12:28 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Green, nobody is saying to stay indoors living in perpetual fear all the time - that's a straw man argument.

On the other hand, the fact that a man of science changed his recommendation after the data starts rolling in should confirm - not invalidate - his position. He's following the scientific method!

As for wearing masks taking away freedom, how much freedom do you think you'd have in the hospital, on a respirator for a few weeks? Even if you don't care about the risk to yourself, how about showing some love for your neighbors!

A lot of the frustration that some feel is the moving target that keeps coming out of science and scientists.
Fauci himself encouraged people to go on cruises just before thousands of folks were stranded and quarantined on ships.
Then it was don't get on a cruise ship.
Then Fauci said there was no reason to wear a mask, now we all must wear a mask.
Politicians have taken their cues from scientists, it's the scientists that have been very inconsistent with their recommendations and advice.

A man of science with 30 years of experience should know, not learn on the fly.

Frustration is very understandable. That whole "don't wear masks because the medical professionals need them more than you do" was ill-conceived, IMO. There were better ways to handle that without undermining public trust.

A little late......don't you think?
We only need to get to the point that the medical system is not overwhelmed...........until it wasn't......then the goal posts moved again.
The scientists are as much to blame for the health crisis as the Chinese, in that no one in the scientific community has been completely truthful and that community has not been immune to playing politics.

(06-27-2020 01:53 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(06-27-2020 01:15 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(06-27-2020 12:28 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Green, nobody is saying to stay indoors living in perpetual fear all the time - that's a straw man argument.

On the other hand, the fact that a man of science changed his recommendation after the data starts rolling in should confirm - not invalidate - his position. He's following the scientific method!

As for wearing masks taking away freedom, how much freedom do you think you'd have in the hospital, on a respirator for a few weeks? Even if you don't care about the risk to yourself, how about showing some love for your neighbors!

A lot of the frustration that some feel is the moving target that keeps coming out of science and scientists.
Fauci himself encouraged people to go on cruises just before thousands of folks were stranded and quarantined on ships.
Then it was don't get on a cruise ship.
Then Fauci said there was no reason to wear a mask, now we all must wear a mask.
Politicians have taken their cues from scientists, it's the scientists that have been very inconsistent with their recommendations and advice.

A man of science with 30 years of experience should know, not learn on the fly.

Frustration is very understandable. That whole "don't wear masks because the medical professionals need them more than you do" was ill-conceived, IMO. There were better ways to handle that without undermining public trust.

Yes, you and Xlance are correct about the confusing recommendations that came out initially. But Im not sure if anyone can really use that as an excuse anymore. We see how their latest recomendations have worked well for NYS. After being overwhelmed and making some serious mistakes, the closing down for 2 months and social distancing and wearing of facemasks has worked so well that the state now has the lowest infection rates in the country as well as one of the lowest death rates. The State has less than 1000 people in the hospital from from Covid and the other day had only 17 people die from it. One can only attribute those results to the steps taken, social distancing, facemasks, etc... Other States can have the same results.

Reports from Saturday shows that NYS had only 5 deaths from Covid. This is an amazing stat to me considering that at one point the State had as many as 800 people per day dyeing from Covid. Now there are fewer than 900 in the hospital, with covid across the State. This shows that all the other States can also cope with this virus to keep the deaths to a minimum. They just have to be willing to make sacrifices to do so.

NYS Down to 5 deaths from Covid

(06-29-2020 04:22 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  Reports from Saturday shows that NYS had only 5 deaths from Covid. This is an amazing stat to me considering that at one point the State had as many as 800 people per day dyeing from Covid. Now there are fewer than 900 in the hospital, with covid across the State. This shows that all the other States can also cope with this virus to keep the deaths to a minimum. They just have to be willing to make sacrifices to do so.

NYS Down to 5 deaths from Covid

https://twitter.com/AlexBerenson/status/...2124156933

WHEN THE MOON HITS YOUR EYE LIKE A BIG PIZZA PIE

(06-30-2020 07:11 AM)green Wrote:  

(06-29-2020 04:22 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  Reports from Saturday shows that NYS had only 5 deaths from Covid. This is an amazing stat to me considering that at one point the State had as many as 800 people per day dyeing from Covid. Now there are fewer than 900 in the hospital, with covid across the State. This shows that all the other States can also cope with this virus to keep the deaths to a minimum. They just have to be willing to make sacrifices to do so.

NYS Down to 5 deaths from Covid

https://twitter.com/AlexBerenson/status/...2124156933

WHEN THE MOON HITS YOUR EYE LIKE A BIG PIZZA PIE

Yep, that happened in March and April when no one knew how to combat the disease. Now the State of NY has far fewer deaths than any of those States, with one of the lowest death rate in the country and a far lower spread. To go from the worst to the first shows that NYS is doing something right. And really, with doctors knowing now, how to combat the virus and how to prevent the spread of the virus, no State should be having spikes at this point and time. Why is that happening?

WORST TO FIRST

(06-25-2020 04:46 PM)green Wrote:  

(06-25-2020 04:26 PM)Wolfman Wrote:  

Quote:"A new analysis by The Sentinel, a Kansas nonprofit, compares the 42 states that shut down most of their economies with the eight that did not. The latter group includes mostly rural states with some small metropolitan areas: North and South Dakota, Nebraska, Iowa, Arkansas, Oklahoma, Wyoming and Utah.

Proof positive that social distancing works. If New York had the population of Wyoming, they would have similar statistics.

https://twitter.com/joewheat27/status/12...4854398977

LOCK ‘EM UP AND THROW AWAY THE KEY

Population Density.

(06-27-2020 02:08 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(06-27-2020 01:53 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(06-27-2020 01:15 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(06-27-2020 12:28 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Green, nobody is saying to stay indoors living in perpetual fear all the time - that's a straw man argument.

On the other hand, the fact that a man of science changed his recommendation after the data starts rolling in should confirm - not invalidate - his position. He's following the scientific method!

As for wearing masks taking away freedom, how much freedom do you think you'd have in the hospital, on a respirator for a few weeks? Even if you don't care about the risk to yourself, how about showing some love for your neighbors!

A lot of the frustration that some feel is the moving target that keeps coming out of science and scientists.
Fauci himself encouraged people to go on cruises just before thousands of folks were stranded and quarantined on ships.
Then it was don't get on a cruise ship.
Then Fauci said there was no reason to wear a mask, now we all must wear a mask.
Politicians have taken their cues from scientists, it's the scientists that have been very inconsistent with their recommendations and advice.

A man of science with 30 years of experience should know, not learn on the fly.

Frustration is very understandable. That whole "don't wear masks because the medical professionals need them more than you do" was ill-conceived, IMO. There were better ways to handle that without undermining public trust.

A little late......don't you think?
We only need to get to the point that the medical system is not overwhelmed...........until it wasn't......then the goal posts moved again.
The scientists are as much to blame for the health crisis as the Chinese, in that no one in the scientific community has been completely truthful and that community has not been immune to playing politics.

Exactly!



Unless of course this is truly the magical virus that not only defies the established science behind PPE but is able to differentiate between a person who is at church or at Walmart, is at the beach or at a protest that benefits a particular political party. Madness.



Here the media, leftist politicians, and the mask mafia are pointing at the fact that South Carolina is at 71% hospital bed occupancy as a sign we need to shut things down again and make wearing of the magical masks mandatory. What they do not disclose when they put out their propaganda is the fact that only 12% of the occupied beds are for Covid patients. The rest are primarily from people who were denied procedures back in March, April, and early May so the bed shortage isn't because of Covid but because of the Covid response and of course their "solution" is to implement the measures that created this usage surge to begin with. Absolute madness.

(06-30-2020 07:44 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  Yep, that happened in March and April when no one knew how to combat the disease. Now the State of NY has far fewer deaths than any of those States, with one of the lowest death rate in the country and a far lower spread. To go from the worst to the first shows that NYS is doing something right. And really, with doctors knowing now, how to combat the virus and how to prevent the spread of the virus, no State should be having spikes at this point and time. Why is that happening?

WORST TO FIRST

https://twitter.com/TeamTrump/status/127...0457707527

I’M DYING OVER HERE

(06-30-2020 03:46 PM)green Wrote:  

(06-30-2020 07:44 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  Yep, that happened in March and April when no one knew how to combat the disease. Now the State of NY has far fewer deaths than any of those States, with one of the lowest death rate in the country and a far lower spread. To go from the worst to the first shows that NYS is doing something right. And really, with doctors knowing now, how to combat the virus and how to prevent the spread of the virus, no State should be having spikes at this point and time. Why is that happening?

WORST TO FIRST

https://twitter.com/TeamTrump/status/127...0457707527

I’M DYING OVER HERE

Yeah, the US is averaging between 400 and 1000 deaths per day against 40,000 new infections per day, CURRENTLY. That number is expected to top 100,000 new infections per day if precautions arent taken now. With 100,000 new infections per day with just a one percent death rate, we are looking at 1000 deaths per day. Yeah, the death rate would be low at one percent, but we will stilll be losing 1000 people per day.

NOT VERY COMFORTING!

(06-25-2020 04:31 PM)Indytarheel Wrote:  

(06-25-2020 04:07 PM)green Wrote:  

(06-25-2020 03:32 PM)Indytarheel Wrote:  

(06-25-2020 03:19 PM)green Wrote:  rising infection without commensurate hospitalization or mortality implies herd immunity ...
for the uninitiated, that’s a good thing ...

YOUR WISH IS MY COMMAND

There is a lag in contracting the disease and hospitalization or mortality. And, it certainly isn't any implication of herd immunity. In order to achieve herd immunity, at a minimum 70% to 90% of the population must be immune and that is dependent on how contagious the disease is.

https://twitter.com/larryelder/status/12...1192562688

LIFE OUTSIDE THE BUBBLE

You cite Larry Elder? That's all I need to know. I think I will stick with the experts like Dr. Fauci, my degree in biology and chemistry, my 35+ years of experience in the science community which spans Cancer research, Molecular Bio and Biochemistry, BR&D and Quality Control in the pharmaceutical industry.

https://twitter.com/TweetLeni/status/127...0505779200

IF YOU SAY SO

(06-30-2020 07:00 PM)green Wrote:  

(06-25-2020 04:31 PM)Indytarheel Wrote:  

(06-25-2020 04:07 PM)green Wrote:  

(06-25-2020 03:32 PM)Indytarheel Wrote:  

(06-25-2020 03:19 PM)green Wrote:  rising infection without commensurate hospitalization or mortality implies herd immunity ...
for the uninitiated, that’s a good thing ...

YOUR WISH IS MY COMMAND

There is a lag in contracting the disease and hospitalization or mortality. And, it certainly isn't any implication of herd immunity. In order to achieve herd immunity, at a minimum 70% to 90% of the population must be immune and that is dependent on how contagious the disease is.

https://twitter.com/larryelder/status/12...1192562688

LIFE OUTSIDE THE BUBBLE

You cite Larry Elder? That's all I need to know. I think I will stick with the experts like Dr. Fauci, my degree in biology and chemistry, my 35+ years of experience in the science community which spans Cancer research, Molecular Bio and Biochemistry, BR&D and Quality Control in the pharmaceutical industry.

https://twitter.com/TweetLeni/status/127...0505779200

IF YOU SAY SO

YEAH, SURE THAT'LL HAPPEN.

(06-30-2020 07:58 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  YEAH, SURE THAT'LL HAPPEN.

https://twitter.com/inklessPW/status/127...0719351810

GET IT ON BANG A GONG GET IT ON

(06-30-2020 08:44 PM)green Wrote:  

(06-30-2020 07:58 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  YEAH, SURE THAT'LL HAPPEN.

https://twitter.com/inklessPW/status/127...0719351810

GET IT ON BANG A GONG GET IT ON

"...the US may reach herd immunity before a vaccine. Apart from the human toll..."

Let me translate for you: So many people will get sick that there won't be enough healthy people left to sustain the virus. Of course, a large number of people will also die in the process.

(06-30-2020 08:52 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(06-30-2020 08:44 PM)green Wrote:  

(06-30-2020 07:58 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  YEAH, SURE THAT'LL HAPPEN.

https://twitter.com/inklessPW/status/127...0719351810

GET IT ON BANG A GONG GET IT ON

"...the US may reach herd immunity before a vaccine. Apart from the human toll..."

Let me translate for you: So many people will get sick that there won't be enough healthy people left to sustain the virus. Of course, a large number of people will also die in the process.

Here's a news flash for you: there isn't going to be an effective covid-19 vaccine because there has never been an effective vaccine for any kind of coronavirus. Because of this we have two choices: kill some people building herd immunity or kill a hell of a lot more by destroying our entire economic system trying to protect citizens from this virus. Take your pick.

(06-30-2020 09:41 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(06-30-2020 08:52 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  "...the US may reach herd immunity before a vaccine. Apart from the human toll..."

Let me translate for you: So many people will get sick that there won't be enough healthy people left to sustain the virus. Of course, a large number of people will also die in the process.

Here's a news flash for you: there isn't going to be an effective covid-19 vaccine because there has never been an effective vaccine for any kind of coronavirus. Because of this we have two choices: kill some people building herd immunity or kill a hell of a lot more by destroying our entire economic system trying to protect citizens from this virus. Take your pick.

A few months ago I also heard that there has never been a cure for any strain of Coronavirus. I think I may have even posted that here. However, since then I've also read that (a) COVID-19 is different in ways that make it both more virulent and also more easily killed by certain things; (b) there has been promising research at places like Pitt and Louisville which could result in high-tech cures. I'm certainly not an expert on viruses, but it seems like there is reason to hope for a cure.

Besides, the same people who say there's no cure for any Coronavirus also say any immunity you get from it is only temporary, and the disease likely does permanent damage to your lungs. Herd immunity is a high stakes gamble with long odds - you're better off letting John Swofford negotiate your next work contract!

(06-30-2020 08:44 PM)green Wrote:  

(06-30-2020 07:58 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  YEAH, SURE THAT'LL HAPPEN.

https://twitter.com/inklessPW/status/127...0719351810

GET IT ON BANG A GONG GET IT ON

So all this time you have been debating that there is no serious health issue here, no high death rates, no high hospitalization rates etc.. Now that the evidence is so overwhelming that there is a serious health issue in this country that you are trying to present the bright side that we will get herd immunity from this health issue that you tried arguing doesnt exist. I got it. Good night to you.