(06-26-2020 10:54 AM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  

(06-26-2020 09:43 AM)Lou_C Wrote:  I'm just going to chip in that I hear a lot of people touting the idea of a commissioner who understands TV, like Wildhack or others.

Boys...that horse is out of the barn and dead. The time to have a commissioner that understood TV revenue was 15 years ago, and we didn't have it. In all likelihood the next commissioner won't make a meaningful TV deal.

Don't get me wrong, you're going to want expertise in that area to deal with changing landscapes etc, but you can hire experts in associate commissioner roles, or keep consultants. Hiring a commissioner that swings his heaviest axe in the television space makes little sense when 95% of that juice has been squeezed.

To me, I'd be looking to hire a commissioner that would be most likely to increase the competitiveness of football, and maintain the competitiveness of basketball and other sports. You absolutely need a football hire. There won't be a major TV deal cut, so the best way forward for revenue is creating a can't miss product that increases engagement, donations, ticket sales, etc. That might allow the ACC Network to command higher carriage fees in future cable deals (which are long term as well), but also command high carriage fees on future platforms. It would also increase ad revenue on the ACC Network. It should make the ACC more attractive for bowl games.

It also would help to have someone highly respected and influential, especially given all the turnover among commissioners. You really want to make sure as the playoff contracts come back up, and new developments in the NCAA model and amateurism etc. You want someone that's going have some gravitas in those discussions and protect ACC interests.

Honestly, I'm no huge Swarbrick (or Notre Dame) fan, but he checks a lot of boxes other than his age.

Agree that hiring a commissioner with TV experience (e.g., backgrounds like Wildhack) is not a top priority.

Also agree that hiring a commissioner who knows the mechanics of better commercializing the football product (e.g., backgrounds like Swarbrick) would be beneficial. The Orange Bowl deal exposed a huge weakness in Swafford’s approach. Furthermore, it’s unacceptable that the B12 got the tie-in with SEC for a NYD bowl. The ACC commissioner needs to be leading this charge.

I also believe that basketball should be commercialized differently. The NCAA tournament is stealing a lot of revenue from the ACC. The ACC should be the leader in forcing the NCAA to restructure its finances...or look at alternative solutions.

There are a lot of areas where the new commissioner will have to make a difference.

I agree with a ton of what both of you said... however, don't sell Wildhack short. He is a sports guy who loves both sports. He also has the managerial skills over most. He would be best positioned to extract more TV dollars in the future. The league needs to get someone fresh without NC centric thinking.

(06-27-2020 12:34 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(06-26-2020 10:54 AM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  

(06-26-2020 09:43 AM)Lou_C Wrote:  I'm just going to chip in that I hear a lot of people touting the idea of a commissioner who understands TV, like Wildhack or others.

Boys...that horse is out of the barn and dead. The time to have a commissioner that understood TV revenue was 15 years ago, and we didn't have it. In all likelihood the next commissioner won't make a meaningful TV deal.

Don't get me wrong, you're going to want expertise in that area to deal with changing landscapes etc, but you can hire experts in associate commissioner roles, or keep consultants. Hiring a commissioner that swings his heaviest axe in the television space makes little sense when 95% of that juice has been squeezed.

To me, I'd be looking to hire a commissioner that would be most likely to increase the competitiveness of football, and maintain the competitiveness of basketball and other sports. You absolutely need a football hire. There won't be a major TV deal cut, so the best way forward for revenue is creating a can't miss product that increases engagement, donations, ticket sales, etc. That might allow the ACC Network to command higher carriage fees in future cable deals (which are long term as well), but also command high carriage fees on future platforms. It would also increase ad revenue on the ACC Network. It should make the ACC more attractive for bowl games.

It also would help to have someone highly respected and influential, especially given all the turnover among commissioners. You really want to make sure as the playoff contracts come back up, and new developments in the NCAA model and amateurism etc. You want someone that's going have some gravitas in those discussions and protect ACC interests.

Honestly, I'm no huge Swarbrick (or Notre Dame) fan, but he checks a lot of boxes other than his age.

Agree that hiring a commissioner with TV experience (e.g., backgrounds like Wildhack) is not a top priority.

Also agree that hiring a commissioner who knows the mechanics of better commercializing the football product (e.g., backgrounds like Swarbrick) would be beneficial. The Orange Bowl deal exposed a huge weakness in Swafford’s approach. Furthermore, it’s unacceptable that the B12 got the tie-in with SEC for a NYD bowl. The ACC commissioner needs to be leading this charge.

I also believe that basketball should be commercialized differently. The NCAA tournament is stealing a lot of revenue from the ACC. The ACC should be the leader in forcing the NCAA to restructure its finances...or look at alternative solutions.

There are a lot of areas where the new commissioner will have to make a difference.

I agree with a ton of what both of you said... however, don't sell Wildhack short. He is a sports guy who loves both sports. He also has the managerial skills over most. He would be best positioned to extract more TV dollars in the future. The league needs to get someone fresh without NC centric thinking.

If your point is the need for a viewpoint not born in North Carolina, I heartily agree!

Still not sure Wildhack is the right person for the job, but if it ends up being him, OK.

(06-27-2020 09:44 AM)schmolik Wrote:  

(06-26-2020 04:25 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(06-26-2020 04:10 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(06-26-2020 03:58 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  "Swofford botched the replacement of Maryland. Rest assured the conference's first choice wasn't who was added."

Who was the first choice?

... asking for a friend.

I don't understand that quote. Clearly if UConn or Cincy were preferred over Louisville then the ACC would have gotten them. The only choice I can think of is WVU who was tied up in a grant of rights with the big 12 but I doubt they'd be first choice.

In what should be considered SOP the conference office failed to do their due diligence when polling conference members. That’s how the folks on the Clemson BOT and IPTAY big wigs knew they needed to put their foot down and rally support behind them elsewhere.

Seems like you're still bitter that some in the ACC including Swofford dared to want or prefer UConn to Louisville. I mean you got what you wanted, why do you still need to complain? Not every ACC school is a football school and some ACC schools actually care about academics. I'm not saying you have to agree with them but at least respect them. I'm sorry the SEC doesn't want Clemson. I'm sure if the SEC invited Clemson they'd be leaving the ACC for the SEC in a second. You still seem like you hold a grudge towards UNC and Duke because they have different priorities and values than Clemson does. Not every school in the country has to be football is everything. There's only so many Clemson's, Alabama's, and Ohio State's. So North Carolina and Duke would rather excel in a sport they can excel it and they're pretty darn good at it. Roy Williams and Mike Krzyzewski both have more national championships than Dabo has. I don't see the problem.

LOL


You should learn a little history about the conference instead of preaching what we should and shouldn't do. You only make yourself look more and more ignorant with every comment you make.

I don’t want any of the current AD’s in that role and I also don’t want Jurich. I just think he is a shady character and we can do better than him too.

This is a prestigious gig. There should be plenty of qualified applicants from which to choose.

(06-28-2020 09:42 AM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  I don’t want any of the current AD’s in that role and I also don’t want Jurich. I just think he is a shady character and we can do better than him too.

This is a prestigious gig. There should be plenty of qualified applicants from which to choose.

Radacovich, then Wildchek are probably the top two out of the current AD's. Then perhaps Corrigan.

Here's a tutorial for some of you. John Skipper, ESPN President until cocaine bit him, is a UNC grad from the 70's. More importantly he is from Lexington, NC. Swofford is from North Wilkesboro. When many of you talk about Tobacco Road and you focus on Duke and UNC-Ch, you need to look deeper and determine if they are from the Piedmont Triad, do the have ties to the old families and companies that ran their business and had business models akin to a parentalized mill. I'm talking R J Reynolds, Cone, Jefferson Pilot, etc. The business heart of NC in the 1950's was the Piedmont Triad - High Point, Winston-Salem, and Greensboro, not the Triangle or Charlotte.

The exclusive, clubbish mentality that many of seek to cast off, comes as much from the social system of Piedmont NC as it does the Universities in NC. My first question to Wildchek would be - how close are you to John Skipper? If he said, he's my bud, I'd say goodbye. From a NC Piedmont Triad social stratification standpoint, the only current AD that fits that bill is Corrigan, and Swarbrick.

My sense is that Duke and UNC are on the outside, looking in right now. Most importantly the Chairman of the UNC Board of Governors is for the first time, an NC State man and will be until June of 2022.

Before Radakovich could even be considered I'd want to hear:

1) What he can do besides spend spend spend spend.
2) What lessons he learned in his epic botching of the NCAA investigation at GT, and whether he thinks the NCAA is something that should be cajoled or treated as the hostile and corrupt entity it is.

The new "board of directors" will probably limit the candidates. The commissioner has always reported to the presidents but the Board seems like a more active role. The best candidates are not going to want a Board constantly looking over their shoulder.

(06-28-2020 03:31 PM)Statefan Wrote:  

(06-28-2020 09:42 AM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  I don’t want any of the current AD’s in that role and I also don’t want Jurich. I just think he is a shady character and we can do better than him too.

This is a prestigious gig. There should be plenty of qualified applicants from which to choose.

Radacovich, then Wildchek are probably the top two out of the current AD's. Then perhaps Corrigan.

Here's a tutorial for some of you. John Skipper, ESPN President until cocaine bit him, is a UNC grad from the 70's. More importantly he is from Lexington, NC. Swofford is from North Wilkesboro. When many of you talk about Tobacco Road and you focus on Duke and UNC-Ch, you need to look deeper and determine if they are from the Piedmont Triad, do the have ties to the old families and companies that ran their business and had business models akin to a parentalized mill. I'm talking R J Reynolds, Cone, Jefferson Pilot, etc. The business heart of NC in the 1950's was the Piedmont Triad - High Point, Winston-Salem, and Greensboro, not the Triangle or Charlotte.

The exclusive, clubbish mentality that many of seek to cast off, comes as much from the social system of Piedmont NC as it does the Universities in NC. My first question to Wildchek would be - how close are you to John Skipper? If he said, he's my bud, I'd say goodbye. From a NC Piedmont Triad social stratification standpoint, the only current AD that fits that bill is Corrigan, and Swarbrick.

My sense is that Duke and UNC are on the outside, looking in right now. Most importantly the Chairman of the UNC Board of Governors is for the first time, an NC State man and will be until June of 2022.

Just since you mentioned Skipper, I'll use him as an example of why I think prioritizing media experience is a mistake.

It would be hard to identify a more locked in sports media guy than Skipper. After ESPN he was put in charge of DAZN USA, which is probably the best example of the new frontier of sports media. A 100% streaming sports platform with billions of dollars to put toward rights fees. The plan was to start with boxing/MMA as a launching pad to team sports.

It's been, by most accounts, something between underwhelming and an outright failure, and this is before COVID. It may not survive COVID at all.

They've made some very big deals, but not nearly as many as they needed to make, and had many missteps along the way. And they're not failures of technology or "new media"...they're business decision failures. Poor choices, being taken advantage of in deals, poorly evaluating the marketplace, etc. It's not just a matter of "the public wasn't ready for this"...it has been fundamental strategic and execution mistakes in the business.

This stuff moves way too fast. Larry Scott went from a genius to an idiot in a couple of years. Trying to chase expertise in media is like trying to grab fog.

Get someone who consistently makes shows good judgement and makes good decisions with a proven track record of success, and not just hitting lightning in a bottle one time. Then trust them to make decisions with whatever is presented to them.

(06-28-2020 03:31 PM)Statefan Wrote:  

(06-28-2020 09:42 AM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  I don’t want any of the current AD’s in that role and I also don’t want Jurich. I just think he is a shady character and we can do better than him too.

This is a prestigious gig. There should be plenty of qualified applicants from which to choose.

Radacovich, then Wildchek are probably the top two out of the current AD's. Then perhaps Corrigan.

Here's a tutorial for some of you. John Skipper, ESPN President until cocaine bit him, is a UNC grad from the 70's. More importantly he is from Lexington, NC. Swofford is from North Wilkesboro. When many of you talk about Tobacco Road and you focus on Duke and UNC-Ch, you need to look deeper and determine if they are from the Piedmont Triad, do the have ties to the old families and companies that ran their business and had business models akin to a parentalized mill. I'm talking R J Reynolds, Cone, Jefferson Pilot, etc. The business heart of NC in the 1950's was the Piedmont Triad - High Point, Winston-Salem, and Greensboro, not the Triangle or Charlotte.

The exclusive, clubbish mentality that many of seek to cast off, comes as much from the social system of Piedmont NC as it does the Universities in NC. My first question to Wildchek would be - how close are you to John Skipper? If he said, he's my bud, I'd say goodbye. From a NC Piedmont Triad social stratification standpoint, the only current AD that fits that bill is Corrigan, and Swarbrick.

My sense is that Duke and UNC are on the outside, looking in right now. Most importantly the Chairman of the UNC Board of Governors is for the first time, an NC State man and will be until June of 2022.

The business model standard of the Piedmont North Carolina was created by J. Spencer Love at Burlington Industries, not Cone Mills or RJ Reynolds. And what the heck does hiring a Commissioner for the conference have to do with John Skipper? I doubt that Skipper will be invited to join the search committee.
And for the record....Duke is always in the center of conference politics. Their partners have changed over the years, but the boys from Durham have been running the show from the very beginning.

Swofford did exactly what he was hired to do: manage. The question moving forward, how much freedom will the new hire have?

(06-29-2020 03:30 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(06-28-2020 03:31 PM)Statefan Wrote:  

(06-28-2020 09:42 AM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  I don’t want any of the current AD’s in that role and I also don’t want Jurich. I just think he is a shady character and we can do better than him too.

This is a prestigious gig. There should be plenty of qualified applicants from which to choose.

Radacovich, then Wildchek are probably the top two out of the current AD's. Then perhaps Corrigan.

Here's a tutorial for some of you. John Skipper, ESPN President until cocaine bit him, is a UNC grad from the 70's. More importantly he is from Lexington, NC. Swofford is from North Wilkesboro. When many of you talk about Tobacco Road and you focus on Duke and UNC-Ch, you need to look deeper and determine if they are from the Piedmont Triad, do the have ties to the old families and companies that ran their business and had business models akin to a parentalized mill. I'm talking R J Reynolds, Cone, Jefferson Pilot, etc. The business heart of NC in the 1950's was the Piedmont Triad - High Point, Winston-Salem, and Greensboro, not the Triangle or Charlotte.

The exclusive, clubbish mentality that many of seek to cast off, comes as much from the social system of Piedmont NC as it does the Universities in NC. My first question to Wildchek would be - how close are you to John Skipper? If he said, he's my bud, I'd say goodbye. From a NC Piedmont Triad social stratification standpoint, the only current AD that fits that bill is Corrigan, and Swarbrick.

My sense is that Duke and UNC are on the outside, looking in right now. Most importantly the Chairman of the UNC Board of Governors is for the first time, an NC State man and will be until June of 2022.

The business model standard of the Piedmont North Carolina was created by J. Spencer Love at Burlington Industries, not Cone Mills or RJ Reynolds. And what the heck does hiring a Commissioner for the conference have to do with John Skipper? I doubt that Skipper will be invited to join the search committee.
And for the record....Duke is always in the center of conference politics. Their partners have changed over the years, but the boys from Durham have been running the show from the very beginning.

Swofford did exactly what he was hired to do: manage. The question moving forward, how much freedom will the new hire have?

I was mainly talking about the Price's and the Bryan's of the world, not the actually textile mills. I was referencing things like picking up women and driving them to work for Pilot Life, etc. And yes I know all about Duke, but don't hide behind them. Yes we know that half the time we got ****** that Duke was the main instigator and that UNC always gets the scrutiny since they are often hiding in your shadow.

Mentioning Skipper is something akin to a socio-economic, cultural commentary. It's the reason that folks from Syracuse, FSU, Clemson, and a few other places hate "Tobacco Road's" guts. It's the the class condescension that runs like a scar from Richmond, to Greensboro, to Charlotte.

I don't disagree that Duke has always managed to stay in league with the controlling two or three, but to suggest Duke has run the ACC over Swofford's or Corrigan's time is just plain wrong. The fact of the matter is that Carolina ran the ACC since Bob James retired.

I'll give you this Lance, you are one shamelss sob. Carolina could not have a truer friend.

Let's assume for a moment XLance is right and Duke is near the center of political power in the ACC. Let's just marinate in that for a moment and the implications it has. One of the worst football programs in all of the P5 let alone the ACC is near the fulcrum in an era when football is 80% of the money?? With Kevin White at the wheel, who shows a downright aversion to running anything other than Coach K's entourage, and thinks getting shelled by 50 at "home" in front of a 3 to 1 Alabama crowd is good for the program. Madness! If true it's inexcusable. If Duke has this political clout laying around let's see it put to work taking March Madness away from the NCAA so the ACC gets an enormous pay day.

(06-29-2020 07:59 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  Let's assume for a moment XLance is right and Duke is near the center of political power in the ACC. Let's just marinate in that for a moment and the implications it has. One of the worst football programs in all of the P5 let alone the ACC is near the fulcrum in an era when football is 80% of the money?? With Kevin White at the wheel, who shows a downright aversion to running anything other than Coach K's entourage, and thinks getting shelled by 50 at "home" in front of a 3 to 1 Alabama crowd is good for the program. Madness! If true it's inexcusable. If Duke has this political clout laying around let's see it put to work taking March Madness away from the NCAA so the ACC gets an enormous pay day.

Lance is gas-lighting you.

Duke has not "run" the ACC for decades. What Duke does is hide behind Carolina and puts them up to ****. UVa tags along. Usually. If Duke were really running the ACC, Florida State and Miami would not have entered. What Duke and Carolina together have is a block against any progress if they had each other's vote or could compel the vote of UVa, NC State, or WF.

UNC graduated politicians run the State of NC or at least have at any time in the last 100 years when Jim Hunt was not governor. That's only 8 years. Duke, WF, and especially UNC are beholden to UNC alums in many areas. There is also a strong bleed over into Virginia with the law firm of McGuire Woods being the most visible tip of that (or at least used to be).

Swofford is a creature of the Greensboro, Richmond to Charlotte crescent of business and culture. What do you expect from a boy from North Wilkesboro? (That's a Boone based joke)

Some of the real clout of Duke and UNC is not political but medical. They have saved a lot of lives and cut a lot of bills in half. When they ask for something using that face, they tend to get what they want.

(06-29-2020 07:18 PM)Statefan Wrote:  

(06-29-2020 03:30 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(06-28-2020 03:31 PM)Statefan Wrote:  

(06-28-2020 09:42 AM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  I don’t want any of the current AD’s in that role and I also don’t want Jurich. I just think he is a shady character and we can do better than him too.

This is a prestigious gig. There should be plenty of qualified applicants from which to choose.

Radacovich, then Wildchek are probably the top two out of the current AD's. Then perhaps Corrigan.

Here's a tutorial for some of you. John Skipper, ESPN President until cocaine bit him, is a UNC grad from the 70's. More importantly he is from Lexington, NC. Swofford is from North Wilkesboro. When many of you talk about Tobacco Road and you focus on Duke and UNC-Ch, you need to look deeper and determine if they are from the Piedmont Triad, do the have ties to the old families and companies that ran their business and had business models akin to a parentalized mill. I'm talking R J Reynolds, Cone, Jefferson Pilot, etc. The business heart of NC in the 1950's was the Piedmont Triad - High Point, Winston-Salem, and Greensboro, not the Triangle or Charlotte.

The exclusive, clubbish mentality that many of seek to cast off, comes as much from the social system of Piedmont NC as it does the Universities in NC. My first question to Wildchek would be - how close are you to John Skipper? If he said, he's my bud, I'd say goodbye. From a NC Piedmont Triad social stratification standpoint, the only current AD that fits that bill is Corrigan, and Swarbrick.

My sense is that Duke and UNC are on the outside, looking in right now. Most importantly the Chairman of the UNC Board of Governors is for the first time, an NC State man and will be until June of 2022.

The business model standard of the Piedmont North Carolina was created by J. Spencer Love at Burlington Industries, not Cone Mills or RJ Reynolds. And what the heck does hiring a Commissioner for the conference have to do with John Skipper? I doubt that Skipper will be invited to join the search committee.
And for the record....Duke is always in the center of conference politics. Their partners have changed over the years, but the boys from Durham have been running the show from the very beginning.

Swofford did exactly what he was hired to do: manage. The question moving forward, how much freedom will the new hire have?

I was mainly talking about the Price's and the Bryan's of the world, not the actually textile mills. I was referencing things like picking up women and driving them to work for Pilot Life, etc. And yes I know all about Duke, but don't hide behind them. Yes we know that half the time we got ****** that Duke was the main instigator and that UNC always gets the scrutiny since they are often hiding in your shadow.

Mentioning Skipper is something akin to a socio-economic, cultural commentary. It's the reason that folks from Syracuse, FSU, Clemson, and a few other places hate "Tobacco Road's" guts. It's the the class condescension that runs like a scar from Richmond, to Greensboro, to Charlotte.

I don't disagree that Duke has always managed to stay in league with the controlling two or three, but to suggest Duke has run the ACC over Swofford's or Corrigan's time is just plain wrong. The fact of the matter is that Carolina ran the ACC since Bob James retired.

Bob James didn't live until his scheduled retirement. He died only four weeks after learning he was suffering from Liver and Lung Cancer while he was still ACC Commissioner.
He died at Duke Medical Center and was buried in Greensboro.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/s...50f876c2d/

As usual you are loose with your facts and your awareness of the ACC as a conference is most often lacking.

(06-29-2020 08:37 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(06-29-2020 07:18 PM)Statefan Wrote:  

(06-29-2020 03:30 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(06-28-2020 03:31 PM)Statefan Wrote:  

(06-28-2020 09:42 AM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  I don’t want any of the current AD’s in that role and I also don’t want Jurich. I just think he is a shady character and we can do better than him too.

This is a prestigious gig. There should be plenty of qualified applicants from which to choose.

Radacovich, then Wildchek are probably the top two out of the current AD's. Then perhaps Corrigan.

Here's a tutorial for some of you. John Skipper, ESPN President until cocaine bit him, is a UNC grad from the 70's. More importantly he is from Lexington, NC. Swofford is from North Wilkesboro. When many of you talk about Tobacco Road and you focus on Duke and UNC-Ch, you need to look deeper and determine if they are from the Piedmont Triad, do the have ties to the old families and companies that ran their business and had business models akin to a parentalized mill. I'm talking R J Reynolds, Cone, Jefferson Pilot, etc. The business heart of NC in the 1950's was the Piedmont Triad - High Point, Winston-Salem, and Greensboro, not the Triangle or Charlotte.

The exclusive, clubbish mentality that many of seek to cast off, comes as much from the social system of Piedmont NC as it does the Universities in NC. My first question to Wildchek would be - how close are you to John Skipper? If he said, he's my bud, I'd say goodbye. From a NC Piedmont Triad social stratification standpoint, the only current AD that fits that bill is Corrigan, and Swarbrick.

My sense is that Duke and UNC are on the outside, looking in right now. Most importantly the Chairman of the UNC Board of Governors is for the first time, an NC State man and will be until June of 2022.

The business model standard of the Piedmont North Carolina was created by J. Spencer Love at Burlington Industries, not Cone Mills or RJ Reynolds. And what the heck does hiring a Commissioner for the conference have to do with John Skipper? I doubt that Skipper will be invited to join the search committee.
And for the record....Duke is always in the center of conference politics. Their partners have changed over the years, but the boys from Durham have been running the show from the very beginning.

Swofford did exactly what he was hired to do: manage. The question moving forward, how much freedom will the new hire have?

I was mainly talking about the Price's and the Bryan's of the world, not the actually textile mills. I was referencing things like picking up women and driving them to work for Pilot Life, etc. And yes I know all about Duke, but don't hide behind them. Yes we know that half the time we got ****** that Duke was the main instigator and that UNC always gets the scrutiny since they are often hiding in your shadow.

Mentioning Skipper is something akin to a socio-economic, cultural commentary. It's the reason that folks from Syracuse, FSU, Clemson, and a few other places hate "Tobacco Road's" guts. It's the the class condescension that runs like a scar from Richmond, to Greensboro, to Charlotte.

I don't disagree that Duke has always managed to stay in league with the controlling two or three, but to suggest Duke has run the ACC over Swofford's or Corrigan's time is just plain wrong. The fact of the matter is that Carolina ran the ACC since Bob James retired.

Bob James didn't live until his scheduled retirement. He died only four weeks after learning he was suffering from Liver and Lung Cancer while he was still ACC Commissioner.
He died at Duke Medical Center and was buried in Greensboro.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/s...50f876c2d/

You don't think death can be a cause of retirement. What are you trying to argue?

(06-29-2020 08:39 PM)Statefan Wrote:  

(06-29-2020 08:37 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(06-29-2020 07:18 PM)Statefan Wrote:  

(06-29-2020 03:30 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(06-28-2020 03:31 PM)Statefan Wrote:  Radacovich, then Wildchek are probably the top two out of the current AD's. Then perhaps Corrigan.

Here's a tutorial for some of you. John Skipper, ESPN President until cocaine bit him, is a UNC grad from the 70's. More importantly he is from Lexington, NC. Swofford is from North Wilkesboro. When many of you talk about Tobacco Road and you focus on Duke and UNC-Ch, you need to look deeper and determine if they are from the Piedmont Triad, do the have ties to the old families and companies that ran their business and had business models akin to a parentalized mill. I'm talking R J Reynolds, Cone, Jefferson Pilot, etc. The business heart of NC in the 1950's was the Piedmont Triad - High Point, Winston-Salem, and Greensboro, not the Triangle or Charlotte.

The exclusive, clubbish mentality that many of seek to cast off, comes as much from the social system of Piedmont NC as it does the Universities in NC. My first question to Wildchek would be - how close are you to John Skipper? If he said, he's my bud, I'd say goodbye. From a NC Piedmont Triad social stratification standpoint, the only current AD that fits that bill is Corrigan, and Swarbrick.

My sense is that Duke and UNC are on the outside, looking in right now. Most importantly the Chairman of the UNC Board of Governors is for the first time, an NC State man and will be until June of 2022.

The business model standard of the Piedmont North Carolina was created by J. Spencer Love at Burlington Industries, not Cone Mills or RJ Reynolds. And what the heck does hiring a Commissioner for the conference have to do with John Skipper? I doubt that Skipper will be invited to join the search committee.
And for the record....Duke is always in the center of conference politics. Their partners have changed over the years, but the boys from Durham have been running the show from the very beginning.

Swofford did exactly what he was hired to do: manage. The question moving forward, how much freedom will the new hire have?

I was mainly talking about the Price's and the Bryan's of the world, not the actually textile mills. I was referencing things like picking up women and driving them to work for Pilot Life, etc. And yes I know all about Duke, but don't hide behind them. Yes we know that half the time we got ****** that Duke was the main instigator and that UNC always gets the scrutiny since they are often hiding in your shadow.

Mentioning Skipper is something akin to a socio-economic, cultural commentary. It's the reason that folks from Syracuse, FSU, Clemson, and a few other places hate "Tobacco Road's" guts. It's the the class condescension that runs like a scar from Richmond, to Greensboro, to Charlotte.

I don't disagree that Duke has always managed to stay in league with the controlling two or three, but to suggest Duke has run the ACC over Swofford's or Corrigan's time is just plain wrong. The fact of the matter is that Carolina ran the ACC since Bob James retired.

Bob James didn't live until his scheduled retirement. He died only four weeks after learning he was suffering from Liver and Lung Cancer while he was still ACC Commissioner.
He died at Duke Medical Center and was buried in Greensboro.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/s...50f876c2d/

You don't think death can be a cause of retirement. What are you trying to argue?

I'll repeat:
As usual you are loose with your facts and your awareness of the ACC as a conference is most often lacking.

(06-29-2020 08:53 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(06-29-2020 08:39 PM)Statefan Wrote:  

(06-29-2020 08:37 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(06-29-2020 07:18 PM)Statefan Wrote:  

(06-29-2020 03:30 PM)XLance Wrote:  The business model standard of the Piedmont North Carolina was created by J. Spencer Love at Burlington Industries, not Cone Mills or RJ Reynolds. And what the heck does hiring a Commissioner for the conference have to do with John Skipper? I doubt that Skipper will be invited to join the search committee.
And for the record....Duke is always in the center of conference politics. Their partners have changed over the years, but the boys from Durham have been running the show from the very beginning.

Swofford did exactly what he was hired to do: manage. The question moving forward, how much freedom will the new hire have?

I was mainly talking about the Price's and the Bryan's of the world, not the actually textile mills. I was referencing things like picking up women and driving them to work for Pilot Life, etc. And yes I know all about Duke, but don't hide behind them. Yes we know that half the time we got ****** that Duke was the main instigator and that UNC always gets the scrutiny since they are often hiding in your shadow.

Mentioning Skipper is something akin to a socio-economic, cultural commentary. It's the reason that folks from Syracuse, FSU, Clemson, and a few other places hate "Tobacco Road's" guts. It's the the class condescension that runs like a scar from Richmond, to Greensboro, to Charlotte.

I don't disagree that Duke has always managed to stay in league with the controlling two or three, but to suggest Duke has run the ACC over Swofford's or Corrigan's time is just plain wrong. The fact of the matter is that Carolina ran the ACC since Bob James retired.

Bob James didn't live until his scheduled retirement. He died only four weeks after learning he was suffering from Liver and Lung Cancer while he was still ACC Commissioner.
He died at Duke Medical Center and was buried in Greensboro.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/s...50f876c2d/

You don't think death can be a cause of retirement. What are you trying to argue?

I'll repeat:
As usual you are loose with your facts and your awareness of the ACC as a conference is most often lacking.

Hmm, you claim to repeat yourself when you didn't make your claim the first time and then had to go back and add your claim. Ok?

You have an interesting agenda. Does Bubba pay you to monitor this and other sites?

(06-27-2020 12:34 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(06-26-2020 10:54 AM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  

(06-26-2020 09:43 AM)Lou_C Wrote:  I'm just going to chip in that I hear a lot of people touting the idea of a commissioner who understands TV, like Wildhack or others.

Boys...that horse is out of the barn and dead. The time to have a commissioner that understood TV revenue was 15 years ago, and we didn't have it. In all likelihood the next commissioner won't make a meaningful TV deal.

Don't get me wrong, you're going to want expertise in that area to deal with changing landscapes etc, but you can hire experts in associate commissioner roles, or keep consultants. Hiring a commissioner that swings his heaviest axe in the television space makes little sense when 95% of that juice has been squeezed.

To me, I'd be looking to hire a commissioner that would be most likely to increase the competitiveness of football, and maintain the competitiveness of basketball and other sports. You absolutely need a football hire. There won't be a major TV deal cut, so the best way forward for revenue is creating a can't miss product that increases engagement, donations, ticket sales, etc. That might allow the ACC Network to command higher carriage fees in future cable deals (which are long term as well), but also command high carriage fees on future platforms. It would also increase ad revenue on the ACC Network. It should make the ACC more attractive for bowl games.

It also would help to have someone highly respected and influential, especially given all the turnover among commissioners. You really want to make sure as the playoff contracts come back up, and new developments in the NCAA model and amateurism etc. You want someone that's going have some gravitas in those discussions and protect ACC interests.

Honestly, I'm no huge Swarbrick (or Notre Dame) fan, but he checks a lot of boxes other than his age.

Agree that hiring a commissioner with TV experience (e.g., backgrounds like Wildhack) is not a top priority.

Also agree that hiring a commissioner who knows the mechanics of better commercializing the football product (e.g., backgrounds like Swarbrick) would be beneficial. The Orange Bowl deal exposed a huge weakness in Swafford’s approach. Furthermore, it’s unacceptable that the B12 got the tie-in with SEC for a NYD bowl. The ACC commissioner needs to be leading this charge.

I also believe that basketball should be commercialized differently. The NCAA tournament is stealing a lot of revenue from the ACC. The ACC should be the leader in forcing the NCAA to restructure its finances...or look at alternative solutions.

There are a lot of areas where the new commissioner will have to make a difference.

I agree with a ton of what both of you said... however, don't sell Wildhack short. He is a sports guy who loves both sports. He also has the managerial skills over most. He would be best positioned to extract more TV dollars in the future. The league needs to get someone fresh without NC centric thinking.

I’m glad that the Syracuse president is on-point for finding a successor. I strongly believe that the ACC needs to get out of the country club culture and find more professional & competent leaders. Syracuse is newer to the conference and should be highly motivated to select the best commissioner that serves broader interests of all 15 members.

Given the weaknesses and limited achievements of Swafford, it’s going to be very difficult to justify the selection of an existing ACC athletic director. Because Wildhack is relatively new to the traditions of college athletics, it may actually help him if he is interested. The ACC management team needs to generate or enable better revenue for its member schools...the BIG and SEC have transformed their operations over the past two decades; while the ACC is operating with backwards 1990s nostalgia.

(06-26-2020 09:43 AM)Lou_C Wrote:  I'm just going to chip in that I hear a lot of people touting the idea of a commissioner who understands TV, like Wildhack or others.

Boys...that horse is out of the barn and dead. The time to have a commissioner that understood TV revenue was 15 years ago, and we didn't have it. In all likelihood the next commissioner won't make a meaningful TV deal.

Don't get me wrong, you're going to want expertise in that area to deal with changing landscapes etc, but you can hire experts in associate commissioner roles, or keep consultants. Hiring a commissioner that swings his heaviest axe in the television space makes little sense when 95% of that juice has been squeezed.

To me, I'd be looking to hire a commissioner that would be most likely to increase the competitiveness of football, and maintain the competitiveness of basketball and other sports. You absolutely need a football hire. There won't be a major TV deal cut, so the best way forward for revenue is creating a can't miss product that increases engagement, donations, ticket sales, etc. That might allow the ACC Network to command higher carriage fees in future cable deals (which are long term as well), but also command high carriage fees on future platforms. It would also increase ad revenue on the ACC Network. It should make the ACC more attractive for bowl games.

It also would help to have someone highly respected and influential, especially given all the turnover among commissioners. You really want to make sure as the playoff contracts come back up, and new developments in the NCAA model and amateurism etc. You want someone that's going have some gravitas in those discussions and protect ACC interests.

Honestly, I'm no huge Swarbrick (or Notre Dame) fan, but he checks a lot of boxes other than his age.

Oliver Luck

(07-02-2020 08:56 AM)YouPeople Wrote:  

(06-26-2020 09:43 AM)Lou_C Wrote:  I'm just going to chip in that I hear a lot of people touting the idea of a commissioner who understands TV, like Wildhack or others.

Boys...that horse is out of the barn and dead. The time to have a commissioner that understood TV revenue was 15 years ago, and we didn't have it. In all likelihood the next commissioner won't make a meaningful TV deal.

Don't get me wrong, you're going to want expertise in that area to deal with changing landscapes etc, but you can hire experts in associate commissioner roles, or keep consultants. Hiring a commissioner that swings his heaviest axe in the television space makes little sense when 95% of that juice has been squeezed.

To me, I'd be looking to hire a commissioner that would be most likely to increase the competitiveness of football, and maintain the competitiveness of basketball and other sports. You absolutely need a football hire. There won't be a major TV deal cut, so the best way forward for revenue is creating a can't miss product that increases engagement, donations, ticket sales, etc. That might allow the ACC Network to command higher carriage fees in future cable deals (which are long term as well), but also command high carriage fees on future platforms. It would also increase ad revenue on the ACC Network. It should make the ACC more attractive for bowl games.

It also would help to have someone highly respected and influential, especially given all the turnover among commissioners. You really want to make sure as the playoff contracts come back up, and new developments in the NCAA model and amateurism etc. You want someone that's going have some gravitas in those discussions and protect ACC interests.

Honestly, I'm no huge Swarbrick (or Notre Dame) fan, but he checks a lot of boxes other than his age.

Oliver Luck

That clown will not be the ACC Commish if SU has a say, and they do.