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(06-18-2020 03:12 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(06-18-2020 10:49 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  
(06-18-2020 08:30 AM)AssyrianDuke Wrote:  There still might be a UAC, but not as originally conceived I guess.
It was only a half baked idea at the outset, it's no shock if it turns out different than originally described.

"Half-baked" is generous.

I'm in pure grading mode until the end of June, I have to hang on to generosity with both hands.
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(06-16-2020 06:07 PM)army56mike Wrote:  A wise poster on the ASUN/Liberty boards, GE and MTS, posted these proposed conferences and I made a couple additions in bold. From a Liberty standpoint, I’d be happy with this. And they’re actually pretty cool conferences.....

Sun Belt:
Texas State
North Texas
UTSA
Rice
UTEP
Louisiana
UL-Monroe
Louisiana Tech
Arkansas St.
UA-Little Rock
UT-Arlington

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Southern Miss
UAB
Troy
North Alabama
South Alabama
Jacksonville St.
Florida A&M

FIU
FAU
Stetson
Jacksonville
North Florida
Florida Gulf Coast

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Marshall
ODU
Liberty
JMU/N.C. A&T
UNC-Charlotte
App State
Georgia Southern
Georgia State
Kennesaw State
Coastal Carolina
Western Kentucky
Middle Tennesse
Lipscomb
Bellarmine
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The B12 isn't adding anyone, and the change up suggested above has aprox 0.000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% chance of happening.
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Yeah, I don’t get it. These FCS call-ups want these conferences with their rivals mixed in with FBS. I have seen this on the Liberty and JMU boards mainly. There have only been 3 call ups since 2013: ODU, Charlotte, and Coastal. JMU had a chance, but assed that up because they thought they were too good.

The NCAA is not going to water down fbs football.
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(06-21-2020 11:42 AM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  Yeah, I don’t get it. These FCS call-ups want these conferences with their rivals mixed in with FBS. I have seen this on the Liberty and JMU boards mainly. There have only been 3 call ups since 2013: ODU, Charlotte, and Coastal. JMU had a chance, but assed that up because they thought they were too good.

The NCAA is not going to water down fbs football.

For real its already watered down enough as is. If someone wants to be in a league with FCS and D2 schools then drop down. I really think there should be a cap for FBS, 130 is a nice even number.
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128 is an even more even #
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It’s funny seeing teams that were recent history FCS teams in favor of not allowing aspiring FCS teams to move up to FBS. I can only imagine when you were FCS you didn’t have the same mindset, and thought your team had every right to be FBS. I assume current G5 schools feel there is no need or desire to aspire to the P5 level, because that boundary has already been established?
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(06-21-2020 04:17 PM)army56mike Wrote:  I assume current G5 schools feel there is no need or desire to aspire to the P5 level, because that boundary has already been established?

If you were tuned in when the Big12 was doing their due diligence on whether there were any add that made any sense, you would have heard a number of fans of some Go5 schools making the case.

But based on where we are on media contracts and grants of rights expiration dates, it's all on the backburner until mid-decade.

But for some of those who have a hankering for some conference realignment news that just means they start scratching around for some vague hint of movement in FCS to FBS or Div2 to FCS (or Div2 to non-FB). Or, as in this thread, a rearrangement of CUSA/SBC schools that has no actual sequence of real world passing votes starting with either conference which can actually make it happen.

JMU might get a call-up if something happens, but in reality something happening probably waits until something happens further up the pyramid, which triggers the American to take a few or a lot of schools, and what happens next depends too tightly on the specific make-up of who's left for anybody to pretend they have a crystal ball as to how it is likely to shake out.
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(06-21-2020 04:17 PM)army56mike Wrote:  It’s funny seeing teams that were recent history FCS teams in favor of not allowing aspiring FCS teams to move up to FBS. I can only imagine when you were FCS you didn’t have the same mindset, and thought your team had every right to be FBS. I assume current G5 schools feel there is no need or desire to aspire to the P5 level, because that boundary has already been established?

The more fcs schools that move up the less meaning the FBS label has. Yup, we had that right and we capitalized on it. If a school so aspired to be FBS then theyve had plenty of time to get on board. We didnt move up just to be in another Southland conference.
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(06-21-2020 04:37 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  
(06-21-2020 04:17 PM)army56mike Wrote:  I assume current G5 schools feel there is no need or desire to aspire to the P5 level, because that boundary has already been established?

If you were tuned in when the Big12 was doing their due diligence on whether there were any add that made any sense, you would have heard a number of fans of some Go5 schools making the case.

But based on where we are on media contracts and grants of rights expiration dates, it's all on the backburner until mid-decade.

But for some of those who have a hankering for some conference realignment news that just means they start scratching around for some vague hint of movement in FCS to FBS or Div2 to FCS (or Div2 to non-FB). Or, as in this thread, a rearrangement of CUSA/SBC schools that has no actual sequence of real world passing votes starting with either conference which can actually make it happen.
I think his point was that its hypocritical of G5 fans, like myself, to want to be P5 but not want more FCS move ups.
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(06-16-2020 09:44 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  Good luck with that
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(06-17-2020 07:34 AM)ESE84 Wrote:  
(06-16-2020 09:57 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  Maybe if there's change, it'll just happen really incrementally. Like, the Sun Belt invites Charlotte and either ODU or Marshall, and then C-USA turns around and invites Texas State and Louisiana or Arkansas State. Further change would happen a few years later.

Or not.

Things seem like they're at a stalemate. Everyone probably is waiting to see what happens if/when the Big 12 TV contract is up for renewal.

If the Sunbelt takes two eastern geographic outliers (please start with ODU), I think you may be doing CUSA a favor and we stay put at 12.
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If the MEAC collapses it will be interesting to see if maybe some C-USA schools buy the shell for the autobid. We might actually see two conferences, C-USA and SBC, reorganized into 3.
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(06-21-2020 07:01 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  If the MEAC collapses it will be interesting to see if maybe some C-USA schools buy the shell for the autobid. We might actually see two conferences, C-USA and SBC, reorganized into 3.
It's a fun idea, but it'd never happen. They like the idea of having a championship game too much for that to happen, and it would take call-ups to allow for three conferences with championship games. Besides, snapping up an HBCU conference (and likely punting the cellar dwellers like Delaware State with nowhere else to go) would be a PR nightmare, especially with the current state of affairs.
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(06-21-2020 11:54 PM)Mav Wrote:  
(06-21-2020 07:01 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  If the MEAC collapses it will be interesting to see if maybe some C-USA schools buy the shell for the autobid. We might actually see two conferences, C-USA and SBC, reorganized into 3.
It's a fun idea, but it'd never happen. They like the idea of having a championship game too much for that to happen, and it would take call-ups to allow for three conferences with championship games. Besides, snapping up an HBCU conference (and likely punting the cellar dwellers like Delaware State with nowhere else to go) would be a PR nightmare, especially with the current state of affairs.

Maybe I'm wrong on the definition of "buying the shell," but wouldn't that mean that the current schools in the MEAC have found new homes in other conferences and the new, long rumored "Eastern Conference" would have the name and autobids only? That way they could restructure as an FBS conference (I don't think any of the current MEAC schools would be a candidate for FBS entry, but I could be wrong), fill in former CUSA and SB school, a couple FCS call-ups and viola! you have a new FBS conference with autobids to the NCAA Tournaments. Not sure what would happen with CFP payouts in that case, though.
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(06-21-2020 04:42 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  I think his point was that its hypocritical of G5 fans, like myself, to want to be P5 but not want more FCS move ups.

Well there you go, tone of voice and phrasing can lead to reading the same words to mean opposite things.

On that point, as one who neither wants Kent State to move up to P5 and get slaughtered mercilessly week in and out out, nor who wants a majority of FCS move-ups that get mentioned by David State to happen, for the good of both the supposed conferences and for their own good ...

... I'd say that those Go5 fans who:
(1) Want to play at a higher level of competition.
(2) Don't want where you currently play to be dragged down to a lower level of competition.
... have views that are certainly consistent with each other.

It seems like all of the FCS schools other than NDSU that have the results to justify moving up have moved up ... several of them to the benefit of the standard of competition in the conferences that invited them up ...

... while a number of others that have moved up for reasons other than proving about as much as they could prove on the field in FCS have had a greater tendency to struggle.

I think over the longer term, JMU would have eventually been alright if they had not let academic snobbery sabotage their opportunity to move up, but there just aren't a lot of App States and Georgia Southerns left in FCS.
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(06-16-2020 06:07 PM)army56mike Wrote:  A wise poster on the ASUN/Liberty boards, GE and MTS, posted these proposed conferences and I made a couple additions in bold. From a Liberty standpoint, I’d be happy with this. And they’re actually pretty cool conferences.....

Sun Belt:
Texas State
North Texas
UTSA
Rice
UTEP
Louisiana
UL-Monroe
Louisiana Tech
Arkansas St.
UA-Little Rock
UT-Arlington

ASUN:
Southern Miss
UAB
Troy
North Alabama
South Alabama
Jacksonville St.
Florida A&M

FIU
FAU
Stetson
Jacksonville
North Florida
Florida Gulf Coast

C-USA:
Marshall
ODU
Liberty
JMU/N.C. A&T
UNC-Charlotte
App State
Georgia Southern
Georgia State
Kennesaw State
Coastal Carolina
Western Kentucky
Middle Tennesse
Lipscomb
Bellarmine

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(06-21-2020 11:54 PM)Mav Wrote:  
(06-21-2020 07:01 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  If the MEAC collapses it will be interesting to see if maybe some C-USA schools buy the shell for the autobid. We might actually see two conferences, C-USA and SBC, reorganized into 3.

It's a fun idea, but it'd never happen. They like the idea of having a championship game too much for that to happen, and it would take call-ups to allow for three conferences with championship games.

They could have an eight school conference, if they play a complete round robin, they can have a top-two CCG. They relaxed the "Big12" rule a few years after they made it.

Quote: Besides, snapping up an HBCU conference (and likely punting the cellar dwellers like Delaware State with nowhere else to go) would be a PR nightmare, especially with the current state of affairs.
This would basically be if the MEAC were folding.

It's not like they would keep any of the teams, or the name, they would just have the MEAC vote to invite the new schools with an "entrance fee" (that's the purchase price), and vote to retire the MEAC name, replacement to be decided later, then vote to allow the current members to leave without penalty and then vote to distribute all current assets among existing members and then all leave, effective the end of the NCAA year. You could call the meeting at 11am and be done in time to watch a noon kickoff.

That's the bizarre thing about the new continuity rule ... as long as the conference keeps sponsoring basketball, it maintains continuity, even if one year they sponsor basketball with an entirely different set of schools.
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(06-16-2020 10:35 PM)Cajuns1252 Wrote:  for example from Lafayette, Louisiana to ElPaso, Texas is actually future then Lafayette to Boone, North Carolina

You're much closer to the other four schools in Texas (North Texas, Rice, UTSA, Texas State) than you are to App State, Coastal Carolina, Georgia State, and Georgia Southern. Even Troy is slightly farther away than any of those four schools in Texas.
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(06-21-2020 04:17 PM)army56mike Wrote:  It’s funny seeing teams that were recent history FCS teams in favor of not allowing aspiring FCS teams to move up to FBS. I can only imagine when you were FCS you didn’t have the same mindset, and thought your team had every right to be FBS. I assume current G5 schools feel there is no need or desire to aspire to the P5 level, because that boundary has already been established?

Has nothing to do with it. If you were referring specifically to Marshalland myself, well, we were ready to move up:

1991 - 1AA Runners Up
1992 -1AA Chamions
1993 - 1AA Runners Up
1994 - 1AA Semifinalists
1995 - 1AA Runners Up
1996 - 1AA Champions
1997 - MAC Champions
1998 - MAC Champions
1999 - MAC Champions #10 NR
2000 - MAC Champions
2001 - MAC Runners Up
2002 - MAC Champions #21 NR

So yeah, we were ready. Appalachian State was ready. Georgia Southern was ready.

ODU, Coastal, Charlotte, UTSA and even Liberty should not have moved up when they did. But the time for the conference teams was at that moment. No one wants a conference full of call ups who add ZERO value or advantage.
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