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(06-20-2020 08:24 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  
(06-20-2020 07:44 PM)invisiblehand Wrote:  I pitched the idea of Georgia State to some AAC fans recently and everybody was ammeanable. They bring a large media market. They have attendance similar to UCF which could mean potential for growth in terms of eyeballs and $$$. It could also put us in an arena to ding the ACC as we add competition for the Atlanta Market and Georgia Tech. It would also bring a 'midway' school to the Florida duo and ECU / Navy / Temple, etc... Also, they have a major airport that would make flights much easier than some other options we have like CSU. Moreover, the Georgia recruiting scene could open up to more of our programs in basketball and football.

UAB has them beat in academics and basketball tradition/facilities.

I'd love BYU, Army, or Air Force but BYU/Army aren't interested and with the MWCs new TV deal I doubt AF wants to jump right now. (same for CSU)

I'd rather just stay at 11 past 3 years (we're seeking a 1 year waiver extension due to COVID-19) but if we have to make an addition while UAB keeps growing as a program over the next 2-3 years then they may solve our issues.

Georgia state announced a new basketball arena/facilities to be finished built by 2022..the difference in academics is only about 40-45 spots in most ranking services..not big enough ot make an athletic decison on..

and uab's basketball tradition isnt that prominent and old...georgia state the last 10 years has been a drastically better basketball team.but i dont care to too much about either's "history", because that argument is who is less worse

there is no football add (thats realistic) that will bring any national value to the aac what so ever, im not for adding anyone
but if we HAD to add someone...then it has to be about growth potential, and who has the higher ceiling ..ga state, umass, etc have drastically higher ceilings than uab

Ga State is Brand new to football, and relatively new to basketball..thus have little history..but they are located in central atlanta (elite recruiting grounds, major city)..they also have 50k students (huge potential similar to UCF)- (uab has 22k students)
you noted uab has better bball history and facilities than Ga State but ga state playing with bad facilities, no history and in the sunbelt (horrible bball conference- worse than c-usa) drastically out recruits uab in basketball today..

uab has a low ceiling, they'll never be a power in recruiting no matter the situation or conference...Georgia State under the right circumstances could be
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(06-20-2020 07:44 PM)invisiblehand Wrote:  I pitched the idea of Georgia State to some AAC fans recently and everybody was ammeanable. They bring a large media market. They have attendance similar to UCF which could mean potential for growth in terms of eyeballs and $$$. It could also put us in an arena to ding the ACC as we add competition for the Atlanta Market and Georgia Tech. It would also bring a 'midway' school to the Florida duo and ECU / Navy / Temple, etc... Also, they have a major airport that would make flights much easier than some other options we have like CSU. Moreover, the Georgia recruiting scene could open up to more of our programs in basketball and football.

I'm actually warming up to Georgia State... I think Georgia State can become a great addition but the million dollar question... Can Georgia State be seriously committed in raising the bar and mirror current AAC programs competitiveness?!? I must say, right now I am not convinced but perhaps a better conference can help them achieve that.
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(06-20-2020 09:51 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  
(06-20-2020 07:44 PM)invisiblehand Wrote:  I pitched the idea of Georgia State to some AAC fans recently and everybody was ammeanable. They bring a large media market. They have attendance similar to UCF which could mean potential for growth in terms of eyeballs and $$$. It could also put us in an arena to ding the ACC as we add competition for the Atlanta Market and Georgia Tech. It would also bring a 'midway' school to the Florida duo and ECU / Navy / Temple, etc... Also, they have a major airport that would make flights much easier than some other options we have like CSU. Moreover, the Georgia recruiting scene could open up to more of our programs in basketball and football.

I'm actually warming up to Georgia State... I think Georgia State can become a great addition but the million dollar question... Can Georgia State be seriously committed in raising the bar and mirror current AAC programs competitiveness?!? I must say, right now I am not convinced but perhaps a better conference can help them achieve that.

It worked for UCF. Prior to the C-USA they were basically nobody.
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(06-20-2020 08:24 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  
(06-20-2020 07:44 PM)invisiblehand Wrote:  I pitched the idea of Georgia State to some AAC fans recently and everybody was ammeanable. They bring a large media market. They have attendance similar to UCF which could mean potential for growth in terms of eyeballs and $$$. It could also put us in an arena to ding the ACC as we add competition for the Atlanta Market and Georgia Tech. It would also bring a 'midway' school to the Florida duo and ECU / Navy / Temple, etc... Also, they have a major airport that would make flights much easier than some other options we have like CSU. Moreover, the Georgia recruiting scene could open up to more of our programs in basketball and football.

UAB has them beat in academics and basketball tradition/facilities.

And academics / basketball tradition is really what the conference is going to select based off of... puh-lease. Don't make me laugh.

bad choice of words. UAB football program is at least equal to if not greater than GSUs...basketball becomes the tipping point then.

UAB has nowhere to grow though. They're about as good as they're ever going to get. Georgia State has potential.
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(06-20-2020 09:30 PM)pesik Wrote:  
(06-20-2020 08:24 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  
(06-20-2020 07:44 PM)invisiblehand Wrote:  I pitched the idea of Georgia State to some AAC fans recently and everybody was ammeanable. They bring a large media market. They have attendance similar to UCF which could mean potential for growth in terms of eyeballs and $$$. It could also put us in an arena to ding the ACC as we add competition for the Atlanta Market and Georgia Tech. It would also bring a 'midway' school to the Florida duo and ECU / Navy / Temple, etc... Also, they have a major airport that would make flights much easier than some other options we have like CSU. Moreover, the Georgia recruiting scene could open up to more of our programs in basketball and football.

UAB has them beat in academics and basketball tradition/facilities.

I'd love BYU, Army, or Air Force but BYU/Army aren't interested and with the MWCs new TV deal I doubt AF wants to jump right now. (same for CSU)

I'd rather just stay at 11 past 3 years (we're seeking a 1 year waiver extension due to COVID-19) but if we have to make an addition while UAB keeps growing as a program over the next 2-3 years then they may solve our issues.

Georgia state announced a new basketball arena/facilities to be finished built by 2022..the difference in academics is only about 40-45 spots in most ranking services..not big enough ot make an athletic decison on..

and uab's basketball tradition isnt that prominent and old...georgia state the last 10 years has been a drastically better basketball team.but i dont care to too much about either's "history", because that argument is who is less worse

there is no football add (thats realistic) that will bring any national value to the aac what so ever, im not for adding anyone
but if we HAD to add someone...then it has to be about growth potential, and who has the higher ceiling ..ga state, umass, etc have drastically higher ceilings than uab

Ga State is Brand new to football, and relatively new to basketball..thus have little history..but they are located in central atlanta (elite recruiting grounds, major city)..they also have 50k students (huge potential similar to UCF)- (uab has 22k students)
you noted uab has better bball history and facilities than Ga State but ga state playing with bad facilities, no history and in the sunbelt (horrible bball conference- worse than c-usa) drastically out recruits uab in basketball today..

uab has a low ceiling, they'll never be a power in recruiting no matter the situation or conference...Georgia State under the right circumstances could be

Sounds like GA. ST. has the seal of approval from most Tulsa fans and Coach Pesik. Now all we need is Cincy and UCF to get on board and the rest will fall into line.
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(06-20-2020 11:02 PM)invisiblehand Wrote:  
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(06-20-2020 08:28 PM)invisiblehand Wrote:  
(06-20-2020 08:24 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  
(06-20-2020 07:44 PM)invisiblehand Wrote:  I pitched the idea of Georgia State to some AAC fans recently and everybody was ammeanable. They bring a large media market. They have attendance similar to UCF which could mean potential for growth in terms of eyeballs and $$$. It could also put us in an arena to ding the ACC as we add competition for the Atlanta Market and Georgia Tech. It would also bring a 'midway' school to the Florida duo and ECU / Navy / Temple, etc... Also, they have a major airport that would make flights much easier than some other options we have like CSU. Moreover, the Georgia recruiting scene could open up to more of our programs in basketball and football.

UAB has them beat in academics and basketball tradition/facilities.

And academics / basketball tradition is really what the conference is going to select based off of... puh-lease. Don't make me laugh.

bad choice of words. UAB football program is at least equal to if not greater than GSUs...basketball becomes the tipping point then.

UAB has nowhere to grow though. They're about as good as they're ever going to get. Georgia State has potential.

I don't see how you can say that when they're about to move into a 175 million dollar 44,000 seat stadium right next to their campus...
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(06-20-2020 09:23 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  
(06-19-2020 09:22 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  UAB's new Stadium isn't going to be some small time 27,000 seat erector set style stadium (see Akron or UNT)...This is a 175 million dollar 44,000 seat stadium sitting next to an entertainment district in a major TV media market.

UAB football results since 2017:

8-5, 11-3, 9-5

UAB football attendance since 2017:

26,379...24,291...24,725

UAB basketball has 15 NCAA tourney's featuring 3 Sweet 16's and an Elite Eight. They've also been to 12 NIT's and just hired Andy Kennedy to run the program.

I'm not here to politic for a spot in the AAC, but lets get the facts straight... Apogee isn't an erector set. UNT's stadium is a nice concrete & brick stadium, with a capacity of 30,850 and cost $78,000,000. North Texas has nice facilities. In fact, our recently opened IPF is larger (94,303 sf) and more expensive ($16 million) than the new Memphis IPF (78,000 sf & $11.2 million).

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Just correcting misinformation. Carry on.

I never went back to address it but I was thinking ODU and typed UNT...my bad.

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(06-20-2020 03:31 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  no, B'Ham isn't a vacation destination but it is a major TV market which matters to our ESPN overlords. desirable location doesn't mean number of theme parks or tourist attractions when it comes to TV contracts...in fact, being a boring city means folks are all looking for something to watch to pass the time and in Alabama that means turn on a football game. If they average 24,500 for a slate of games like UTSA, UTEP, Rice, Charlotte, ODU, etc and replace them with Memphis, Cincy, Tulane, UCF, Houston, etc then their attendance will go up even more...esp when you factor in a new stadium.

I don't see how anyone can just ignore the amazing strides UAB has taken as an athletic program.

EDIT: this doesn't mean offer them an invite today...it means in 2-3 years (I know we're seeking a 1 year waiver extension due to COVID-19) UAB may then be ready for a AAC invite if they keep improving at this rate.[/edit]

Lol. It’s not like we haven’t shared a conference with UAB for two decades. We know exactly what UAB attendance will be when they are playing teams like Memphis, ECU, Tulane, Houston, SMU, etc. I remember most conference games in UAB featured more people on the field than in the stands. You can already see how attendance declined game after game through the 2019 season. Clearly, Birmingham is already growing bored with UAB. I suspect the initial community euphoria over the fight to “save Blazer football” has faded and interest in all things UAB is returning to its historical norm.

Look—-The UAB administration made it crystal clear early on in the process to resurrect the canceled football program that the budget will remain where is—-meaning that the athletic department will always remain the same underfunded disaster it’s always been. Hats off to Clark for spinning straw into gold during his time in Birmingham, but he will soon be on his way to bigger and better things. When he leaves, UAB will return to their cellar dweller ways and when that happens, the days of folks on the field outnumbering fans in the stands will return.

To be fair to UAB, it’s not really thier fall. They never have had any real control over their own destiny. Tuscaloosa is pulling the strings and that will always limit UAB to a small time side show when it comes to athletics. That’s never going to change. As for conference affiliation—UAB is where they need to be. UAB at least has a chance to be occasionally competitive in CUSA, where they are grouped with other lower budget athletic programs. It’s the perfect home for thier level of funding. The only better home for UAB might be a reorganized CUSA-Sunbelt mashup that gives them closer rivals and lower travel costs.
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(06-21-2020 09:32 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(06-20-2020 03:31 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  no, B'Ham isn't a vacation destination but it is a major TV market which matters to our ESPN overlords. desirable location doesn't mean number of theme parks or tourist attractions when it comes to TV contracts...in fact, being a boring city means folks are all looking for something to watch to pass the time and in Alabama that means turn on a football game. If they average 24,500 for a slate of games like UTSA, UTEP, Rice, Charlotte, ODU, etc and replace them with Memphis, Cincy, Tulane, UCF, Houston, etc then their attendance will go up even more...esp when you factor in a new stadium.

I don't see how anyone can just ignore the amazing strides UAB has taken as an athletic program.

EDIT: this doesn't mean offer them an invite today...it means in 2-3 years (I know we're seeking a 1 year waiver extension due to COVID-19) UAB may then be ready for a AAC invite if they keep improving at this rate.[/edit]

Lol. It’s not like we haven’t shared a conference with UAB for two decades. As I said, this is a different UAB...they never won 11 football games in a season when we were there. We know exactly what UAB attendance will be when they are playing teams like Memphis, ECU, Tulane, Houston, SMU, etc. I remember most conference games in UAB featured more people on the field than in the stands. You can already see how attendance declined game after game through the 2019 season. Clearly, Birmingham is already growing bored with UAB. I suspect the initial community euphoria over the fight to “save Blazer football” has faded and interest in all things UAB is returning to its historical norm. They're opening a new stadium...that in and of itself will give them an attendance bump

Look—-The UAB administration made it crystal clear early on in the process to resurrect the canceled football program that the budget will remain where is—- That's not true, they made it clear UAB must be able to show how they plan to pay for budget increases before the BOT will OK it. Going from a TV deal that pays 500k to one that pays 6.94 million would justify a quick 6-7 million dollar athletic budget increase overnight. meaning that the athletic department will always remain the same underfunded disaster it’s always been. Hats off to Clark for spinning straw into gold during his time in Birmingham, but he will soon be on his way to bigger and better things. When he leaves, UAB will return to their cellar dweller ways and when that happens, the days of folks on the field outnumbering fans in the stands will return.

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(06-18-2020 10:13 AM)steves Wrote:  UAB admission is really the only viable decision to be made. Seriously, checks all of the boxes ... Major metro/TV market, new football stadium, nice hoops arena, great fanbase who travel well, program success and history, location, location, location ...
There is no one else who fits our needs/footprint like UAB does.

Why UAB over Georgia State? What does Birmingham, Alabama have that Atlanta, Georgia doesn't have? If the metropolitan market is the criteria, the 52,000 students at Georgia State have a case.
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(06-20-2020 12:25 PM)pesik Wrote:  
(06-20-2020 12:08 PM)steves Wrote:  Pesik ... Your a good go to on anything Houston related. I'm betting you have a map of Texas on a wall somewhere. But you don't know sheet about the Southeast. Let's see, Greenville, Orlando, Tampa, New Orleans, Memphis that's about half the damn conference ... Locared in the Southeast. And East Texas likes to think they're part of the Southeast as well !!
Perhaps you need a new map !!

what does that have to do with anything???
let me try and decipher- you are saying Birmingham is in the southeast so they fit in the aac footprint...(this is my best guess- correct me if im wrong)...

1) there are tons of teams in the south east, simply just being in the southeast doesnt mean admission into the aac..almost every other realistic candidate is in the aac footprint

2) my point wasnt questioning the location of Birmingham, but simply stating Birmingham isnt a desirable location, that isnt a selling point. everyone here literally complains about the location of the Birmingham bowl yearly...if it was about adding a southeast team based on desirable location...id rather take goergia state in atlanta ..atleast that would open goergia recruiting ground, while in a major city

People here that complain about the Birmingham Bowl usually do so because of Legion Field ... The Stadium and it's location ... And the fact that it's usually cold there in December. Most will complain less when this new stadium is finished. It's still going to be cold in December, sorry !!
Perhaps a bid to the Idaho potato Bowl or a Rocky Mountain High Bowl in Denver or Salt Lake City would be more to your liking. Anybody ever partied in SLC !! IN DECEMBER !!
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(06-21-2020 10:44 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  
(06-21-2020 09:32 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(06-20-2020 03:31 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  no, B'Ham isn't a vacation destination but it is a major TV market which matters to our ESPN overlords. desirable location doesn't mean number of theme parks or tourist attractions when it comes to TV contracts...in fact, being a boring city means folks are all looking for something to watch to pass the time and in Alabama that means turn on a football game. If they average 24,500 for a slate of games like UTSA, UTEP, Rice, Charlotte, ODU, etc and replace them with Memphis, Cincy, Tulane, UCF, Houston, etc then their attendance will go up even more...esp when you factor in a new stadium.

I don't see how anyone can just ignore the amazing strides UAB has taken as an athletic program.

EDIT: this doesn't mean offer them an invite today...it means in 2-3 years (I know we're seeking a 1 year waiver extension due to COVID-19) UAB may then be ready for a AAC invite if they keep improving at this rate.[/edit]

Lol. It’s not like we haven’t shared a conference with UAB for two decades. As I said, this is a different UAB...they never won 11 football games in a season when we were there. We know exactly what UAB attendance will be when they are playing teams like Memphis, ECU, Tulane, Houston, SMU, etc. I remember most conference games in UAB featured more people on the field than in the stands. You can already see how attendance declined game after game through the 2019 season. Clearly, Birmingham is already growing bored with UAB. I suspect the initial community euphoria over the fight to “save Blazer football” has faded and interest in all things UAB is returning to its historical norm. They're opening a new stadium...that in and of itself will give them an attendance bump

Look—-The UAB administration made it crystal clear early on in the process to resurrect the canceled football program that the budget will remain where is—- That's not true, they made it clear UAB must be able to show how they plan to pay for budget increases before the BOT will OK it. Going from a TV deal that pays 500k to one that pays 6.94 million would justify a quick 6-7 million dollar athletic budget increase overnight. meaning that the athletic department will always remain the same underfunded disaster it’s always been. Hats off to Clark for spinning straw into gold during his time in Birmingham, but he will soon be on his way to bigger and better things. When he leaves, UAB will return to their cellar dweller ways and when that happens, the days of folks on the field outnumbering fans in the stands will return.

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New stadiums are no guarantee for long term increase in attendance. Just look at Akron for an example.

Again---UAB is exactly where they need to be. Its best for them and best for us that they stay in CUSA. Its a situation where everybody wins.
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(06-21-2020 11:22 AM)steves Wrote:  
(06-20-2020 12:25 PM)pesik Wrote:  
(06-20-2020 12:08 PM)steves Wrote:  Pesik ... Your a good go to on anything Houston related. I'm betting you have a map of Texas on a wall somewhere. But you don't know sheet about the Southeast. Let's see, Greenville, Orlando, Tampa, New Orleans, Memphis that's about half the damn conference ... Locared in the Southeast. And East Texas likes to think they're part of the Southeast as well !!
Perhaps you need a new map !!

what does that have to do with anything???
let me try and decipher- you are saying Birmingham is in the southeast so they fit in the aac footprint...(this is my best guess- correct me if im wrong)...

1) there are tons of teams in the south east, simply just being in the southeast doesnt mean admission into the aac..almost every other realistic candidate is in the aac footprint

2) my point wasnt questioning the location of Birmingham, but simply stating Birmingham isnt a desirable location, that isnt a selling point. everyone here literally complains about the location of the Birmingham bowl yearly...if it was about adding a southeast team based on desirable location...id rather take goergia state in atlanta ..atleast that would open goergia recruiting ground, while in a major city

People here that complain about the Birmingham Bowl usually do so because of Legion Field ... The Stadium and it's location ... And the fact that it's usually cold there in December. Most will complain less when this new stadium is finished. It's still going to be cold in December, sorry !!
Perhaps a bid to the Idaho potato Bowl or a Rocky Mountain High Bowl in Denver or Salt Lake City would be more to your liking. Anybody ever partied in SLC !! IN DECEMBER !!

I think the Birmingham Bowl will be a much better bowl game after the new stadium is complete.
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I’ll take the Atlanta media market where you have more alumni and you have to compete with Georgia and a down GT rather than having to compete with Alabama and Auburn in a smaller media market with a smaller alumni base and worse travel availability.
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(06-21-2020 09:06 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  
(06-20-2020 09:23 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  
(06-19-2020 09:22 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  UAB's new Stadium isn't going to be some small time 27,000 seat erector set style stadium (see Akron or UNT)...This is a 175 million dollar 44,000 seat stadium sitting next to an entertainment district in a major TV media market.

UAB football results since 2017:

8-5, 11-3, 9-5

UAB football attendance since 2017:

26,379...24,291...24,725

UAB basketball has 15 NCAA tourney's featuring 3 Sweet 16's and an Elite Eight. They've also been to 12 NIT's and just hired Andy Kennedy to run the program.

I'm not here to politic for a spot in the AAC, but lets get the facts straight... Apogee isn't an erector set. UNT's stadium is a nice concrete & brick stadium, with a capacity of 30,850 and cost $78,000,000. North Texas has nice facilities. In fact, our recently opened IPF is larger (94,303 sf) and more expensive ($16 million) than the new Memphis IPF (78,000 sf & $11.2 million).

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Just correcting misinformation. Carry on.

I never went back to address it but I was thinking ODU and typed UNT...my bad.

Ouch, that hurts....

But to your point, I'm not a fan of ODU's approach to renovating their stadium either. But, it's their stadium, so as long as they are happy with it...
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(06-21-2020 09:06 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  
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(06-19-2020 09:22 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  UAB's new Stadium isn't going to be some small time 27,000 seat erector set style stadium (see Akron or UNT)...This is a 175 million dollar 44,000 seat stadium sitting next to an entertainment district in a major TV media market.

UAB football results since 2017:

8-5, 11-3, 9-5

UAB football attendance since 2017:

26,379...24,291...24,725

UAB basketball has 15 NCAA tourney's featuring 3 Sweet 16's and an Elite Eight. They've also been to 12 NIT's and just hired Andy Kennedy to run the program.

I'm not here to politic for a spot in the AAC, but lets get the facts straight... Apogee isn't an erector set. UNT's stadium is a nice concrete & brick stadium, with a capacity of 30,850 and cost $78,000,000. North Texas has nice facilities. In fact, our recently opened IPF is larger (94,303 sf) and more expensive ($16 million) than the new Memphis IPF (78,000 sf & $11.2 million).

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Just correcting misinformation. Carry on.

I never went back to address it but I was thinking ODU and typed UNT...my bad.

new ODU stadium:
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Problem with NT is that they overlap SMU and would add even more legitimacy to their recruiting competition with SMU, Tulsa, Tulane, and Houston in the Dallas Metro. North Texas is stuck where they are unless someone else comes calling.
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RE: 5 ideal conference realignment scenarios to consider... Loyola To The AAC
I must have missed where Loyola was anything but a true one-year Cinderella, like that year George Mason got to the Final Four. At least GMU is a giant public school with growth potential. If we were going to go adding big market schools for the hell of it, I'd easily take UIC or UW-Milwaukee over Loyola. Hell, I'd take UMBC over Loyola.
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RE: 5 ideal conference realignment scenarios to consider... Loyola To The AAC
(06-21-2020 02:41 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  
(06-21-2020 09:06 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  
(06-20-2020 09:23 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  
(06-19-2020 09:22 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  UAB's new Stadium isn't going to be some small time 27,000 seat erector set style stadium (see Akron or UNT)...This is a 175 million dollar 44,000 seat stadium sitting next to an entertainment district in a major TV media market.

UAB football results since 2017:

8-5, 11-3, 9-5

UAB football attendance since 2017:

26,379...24,291...24,725

UAB basketball has 15 NCAA tourney's featuring 3 Sweet 16's and an Elite Eight. They've also been to 12 NIT's and just hired Andy Kennedy to run the program.

I'm not here to politic for a spot in the AAC, but lets get the facts straight... Apogee isn't an erector set. UNT's stadium is a nice concrete & brick stadium, with a capacity of 30,850 and cost $78,000,000. North Texas has nice facilities. In fact, our recently opened IPF is larger (94,303 sf) and more expensive ($16 million) than the new Memphis IPF (78,000 sf & $11.2 million).

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Just correcting misinformation. Carry on.

I never went back to address it but I was thinking ODU and typed UNT...my bad.

Ouch, that hurts....

But to your point, I'm not a fan of ODU's approach to renovating their stadium either. But, it's their stadium, so as long as they are happy with it...

Apogee is a nice stadium and I've had a healthy respect for UNT since we met in the NO Bowl back in 2003. I was glad to see Johnny Jones take UNT to the NCAAs and I'm glad we were able to get Darrell Dickey for a few years before he left for Texas AM
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(06-21-2020 01:35 PM)invisiblehand Wrote:  I’ll take the Atlanta media market where you have more alumni and you have to compete with Georgia and a down GT rather than having to compete with Alabama and Auburn in a smaller media market with a smaller alumni base and worse travel availability.

in 2-3 years if it comes down to it we'll do it Joker style...break a pool cue in half and tell UAB/Ga State ADs it's 'try outs' (which of course will be aired on ESPN+ lol)
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(06-21-2020 03:31 PM)invisiblehand Wrote:  
(06-21-2020 09:06 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  
(06-20-2020 09:23 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  
(06-19-2020 09:22 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  UAB's new Stadium isn't going to be some small time 27,000 seat erector set style stadium (see Akron or UNT)...This is a 175 million dollar 44,000 seat stadium sitting next to an entertainment district in a major TV media market.

UAB football results since 2017:

8-5, 11-3, 9-5

UAB football attendance since 2017:

26,379...24,291...24,725

UAB basketball has 15 NCAA tourney's featuring 3 Sweet 16's and an Elite Eight. They've also been to 12 NIT's and just hired Andy Kennedy to run the program.

I'm not here to politic for a spot in the AAC, but lets get the facts straight... Apogee isn't an erector set. UNT's stadium is a nice concrete & brick stadium, with a capacity of 30,850 and cost $78,000,000. North Texas has nice facilities. In fact, our recently opened IPF is larger (94,303 sf) and more expensive ($16 million) than the new Memphis IPF (78,000 sf & $11.2 million).

[Image: ?u=https%3A%2F%2Fbloximages.newyork1.vip...amp;nofb=1]

Just correcting misinformation. Carry on.

I never went back to address it but I was thinking ODU and typed UNT...my bad.

new ODU stadium:
[Image: LowerResODUfootballBallard14.jpg]

Problem with NT is that they overlap SMU and would add even more legitimacy to their recruiting competition with SMU, Tulsa, Tulane, and Houston in the Dallas Metro. North Texas is stuck where they are unless someone else comes calling.

We were not discussing North Texas as a candidate. We understand the dynamics of realignment, and are focused on building our programs under the conditions we face.

As for recruiting, SMU has done an incredible job of utilizing the transfer portal, and also attracting quality talent from the Dallas/Fort Worth region. None of us seem to be able to out-recruit them in the region. Tulane hasn't really focused on the DFW area. They seem to draw more from LA and eastern Texas, down to the Houston area. I think Tulsa and North Texas have the most head to head battles for recruits. UNT draws quite a few players from DFW and Oklahoma that have Tulsa offers.

While North Texas is "stuck" where we are, it isn't a terrible position for us. We have over 300,000 alums living within a one hour drive of UNT. As long as we have the resources to continue building and renovating our facilities, pay among the best in the G5, and contend for C-USA titles, we can acquire the student athletes needed to reach our goals and carve out a larger piece of the college football pie.
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