Thank you Navy!

Glad AAC is trying to keep some OOC. It’s really the only way we can elevate our SOS.

(07-24-2020 12:27 PM)usffan Wrote:  

(07-23-2020 07:58 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(07-23-2020 11:12 AM)MidknightWhiskey Wrote:  

(07-23-2020 11:00 AM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  I wish Memphis could get a game with Notre Dame. Lot's of ND fans where I grew up. I was one myself as a kid. Actually I still pull for them as a bit of a closet fan. I do root for Navy though when they play.

Same. My grandfather was accepted to ND w/ a full scholarship but couldn't go. His family needed his paycheck to cover basic bills. He joined the Army and fought in Korea instead.

ND has built a national fanbase and it's awesome. One of many reasons why they wont fully join a conference as a FB member.

If "Same." was for rooting for Navy over ND, I have +2 waiting for you, too. (Thanks to your grandfather for volunteering to serve, regardless.)

FWIW, I always root for Navy over Notre Dame. But before you consider giving a +2, you should know that I would root for Satan's minions over Notre Dame. The only time I don't root for the team Notre Dame is playing is if they're playing Florida. Then I just root for a sinkhole to swallow the entire stadium.

USFFan

Then +1

(07-24-2020 12:29 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  Thank you Navy!

Glad AAC is trying to keep some OOC. It’s really the only way we can elevate our SOS.

Hear Hear!

(07-24-2020 01:16 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(07-24-2020 12:27 PM)usffan Wrote:  

(07-23-2020 07:58 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(07-23-2020 11:12 AM)MidknightWhiskey Wrote:  

(07-23-2020 11:00 AM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  I wish Memphis could get a game with Notre Dame. Lot's of ND fans where I grew up. I was one myself as a kid. Actually I still pull for them as a bit of a closet fan. I do root for Navy though when they play.

Same. My grandfather was accepted to ND w/ a full scholarship but couldn't go. His family needed his paycheck to cover basic bills. He joined the Army and fought in Korea instead.

ND has built a national fanbase and it's awesome. One of many reasons why they wont fully join a conference as a FB member.

If "Same." was for rooting for Navy over ND, I have +2 waiting for you, too. (Thanks to your grandfather for volunteering to serve, regardless.)

FWIW, I always root for Navy over Notre Dame. But before you consider giving a +2, you should know that I would root for Satan's minions over Notre Dame. The only time I don't root for the team Notre Dame is playing is if they're playing Florida. Then I just root for a sinkhole to swallow the entire stadium.

USFFan

Then +1

+2
I don't get the fascination with ND. I hold them responsible for keeping non-"P5" teams down in the CFP rankings. For obvious reasons (money, P5 control) they get an equal vote with the five "P5" conferences on the CFP Board of Governors, blocking the "G5" votes by 6-5 when choosing the Selection Committee. Which is why the "G5" has only 2 of 13 seats on the Selection Committee. Even though the CFP claims,

Universal Access
No team qualifies automatically, so every Football Bowl Subdivision (FBS) team has equal access to the CFP based on its performance during the season.

Now if they wanted to join the ACC and lose their CFP Board vote, I would be all for it.

(07-24-2020 03:07 PM)mikeinoki Wrote:  

(07-24-2020 01:16 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(07-24-2020 12:27 PM)usffan Wrote:  

(07-23-2020 07:58 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(07-23-2020 11:12 AM)MidknightWhiskey Wrote:  Same. My grandfather was accepted to ND w/ a full scholarship but couldn't go. His family needed his paycheck to cover basic bills. He joined the Army and fought in Korea instead.

ND has built a national fanbase and it's awesome. One of many reasons why they wont fully join a conference as a FB member.

If "Same." was for rooting for Navy over ND, I have +2 waiting for you, too. (Thanks to your grandfather for volunteering to serve, regardless.)

FWIW, I always root for Navy over Notre Dame. But before you consider giving a +2, you should know that I would root for Satan's minions over Notre Dame. The only time I don't root for the team Notre Dame is playing is if they're playing Florida. Then I just root for a sinkhole to swallow the entire stadium.

USFFan

Then +1

+2
I don't get the fascination with ND. I hold them responsible for keeping non-"P5" teams down in the CFP rankings. For obvious reasons (money, P5 control) they get an equal vote with the five "P5" conferences on the CFP Board of Governors, blocking the "G5" votes by 6-5 when choosing the Selection Committee. Which is why the "G5" has only 2 of 13 seats on the Selection Committee. Even though the CFP claims,

Universal Access
No team qualifies automatically, so every Football Bowl Subdivision (FBS) team has equal access to the CFP based on its performance during the season.

Now if they wanted to join the ACC and lose their CFP Board vote, I would be all for it.

Well maybe it's because you're a southerner. I wouldn't expect you to be. Even so, it's hard to deny their legendary place in the college football history book.

Their brand is undeniable. Even today still. Are they what they once were? No, but you know the networks would love nothing more than to have them back on top fighting for a championship again. Re-ignite the USC/ND games. The ND/Alabama games. The ND/Michigan games. Lot's and lot's of history there folks. I believe ND/Navy is the oldest rivalry in all of sports.

(07-24-2020 07:54 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  

(07-24-2020 03:07 PM)mikeinoki Wrote:  

(07-24-2020 01:16 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(07-24-2020 12:27 PM)usffan Wrote:  

(07-23-2020 07:58 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  If "Same." was for rooting for Navy over ND, I have +2 waiting for you, too. (Thanks to your grandfather for volunteering to serve, regardless.)

FWIW, I always root for Navy over Notre Dame. But before you consider giving a +2, you should know that I would root for Satan's minions over Notre Dame. The only time I don't root for the team Notre Dame is playing is if they're playing Florida. Then I just root for a sinkhole to swallow the entire stadium.

USFFan

Then +1

+2
I don't get the fascination with ND. I hold them responsible for keeping non-"P5" teams down in the CFP rankings. For obvious reasons (money, P5 control) they get an equal vote with the five "P5" conferences on the CFP Board of Governors, blocking the "G5" votes by 6-5 when choosing the Selection Committee. Which is why the "G5" has only 2 of 13 seats on the Selection Committee. Even though the CFP claims,

Universal Access
No team qualifies automatically, so every Football Bowl Subdivision (FBS) team has equal access to the CFP based on its performance during the season.

Now if they wanted to join the ACC and lose their CFP Board vote, I would be all for it.

Well maybe it's because you're a southerner. I wouldn't expect you to be. Even so, it's hard to deny their legendary place in the college football history book.

Their brand is undeniable. Even today still. Are they what they once were? No, but you know the networks would love nothing more than to have them back on top fighting for a championship again. Re-ignite the USC/ND games. The ND/Alabama games. The ND/Michigan games. Lot's and lot's of history there folks. I believe ND/Navy is the oldest rivalry in all of sports.

We brag on Navy Notre Dame as "the longest coninuous intersectional rivalry in college football."
Army Navy is longer overall. Even among conference mates, Cincinnati beats Army Navy for longevity with the series vs Miami (Ohio). And there are plenty more longer than Navy ND.

(07-24-2020 08:20 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(07-24-2020 07:54 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  

(07-24-2020 03:07 PM)mikeinoki Wrote:  

(07-24-2020 01:16 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(07-24-2020 12:27 PM)usffan Wrote:  FWIW, I always root for Navy over Notre Dame. But before you consider giving a +2, you should know that I would root for Satan's minions over Notre Dame. The only time I don't root for the team Notre Dame is playing is if they're playing Florida. Then I just root for a sinkhole to swallow the entire stadium.

USFFan

Then +1

+2
I don't get the fascination with ND. I hold them responsible for keeping non-"P5" teams down in the CFP rankings. For obvious reasons (money, P5 control) they get an equal vote with the five "P5" conferences on the CFP Board of Governors, blocking the "G5" votes by 6-5 when choosing the Selection Committee. Which is why the "G5" has only 2 of 13 seats on the Selection Committee. Even though the CFP claims,

Universal Access
No team qualifies automatically, so every Football Bowl Subdivision (FBS) team has equal access to the CFP based on its performance during the season.

Now if they wanted to join the ACC and lose their CFP Board vote, I would be all for it.

Well maybe it's because you're a southerner. I wouldn't expect you to be. Even so, it's hard to deny their legendary place in the college football history book.

Their brand is undeniable. Even today still. Are they what they once were? No, but you know the networks would love nothing more than to have them back on top fighting for a championship again. Re-ignite the USC/ND games. The ND/Alabama games. The ND/Michigan games. Lot's and lot's of history there folks. I believe ND/Navy is the oldest rivalry in all of sports.

We brag on Navy Notre Dame as "the longest coninuous intersectional rivalry in college football."
Army Navy is longer overall. Even among conference mates, Cincinnati beats Army Navy for longevity with the series vs Miami (Ohio). And there are plenty more longer than Navy ND.

I stand corrected then. Even if it's the longest intersectional rivalry, that's still pretty long and pretty impressive.

Also, Notre Dame has an exclusive network contract that I don't believe anyone else has ever had. Maybe I'm wrong on that too, but they are truly a national team with an extremely loyal fan base.

I had no idea by the way about Cincinnati vs Miami (Ohio). That's pretty shocking.

(07-24-2020 08:53 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  

(07-24-2020 08:20 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(07-24-2020 07:54 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  

(07-24-2020 03:07 PM)mikeinoki Wrote:  

(07-24-2020 01:16 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  Then +1

+2
I don't get the fascination with ND. I hold them responsible for keeping non-"P5" teams down in the CFP rankings. For obvious reasons (money, P5 control) they get an equal vote with the five "P5" conferences on the CFP Board of Governors, blocking the "G5" votes by 6-5 when choosing the Selection Committee. Which is why the "G5" has only 2 of 13 seats on the Selection Committee. Even though the CFP claims,

Universal Access
No team qualifies automatically, so every Football Bowl Subdivision (FBS) team has equal access to the CFP based on its performance during the season.

Now if they wanted to join the ACC and lose their CFP Board vote, I would be all for it.

Well maybe it's because you're a southerner. I wouldn't expect you to be. Even so, it's hard to deny their legendary place in the college football history book.

Their brand is undeniable. Even today still. Are they what they once were? No, but you know the networks would love nothing more than to have them back on top fighting for a championship again. Re-ignite the USC/ND games. The ND/Alabama games. The ND/Michigan games. Lot's and lot's of history there folks. I believe ND/Navy is the oldest rivalry in all of sports.

We brag on Navy Notre Dame as "the longest coninuous intersectional rivalry in college football."
Army Navy is longer overall. Even among conference mates, Cincinnati beats Army Navy for longevity with the series vs Miami (Ohio). And there are plenty more longer than Navy ND.

I stand corrected then. Even if it's the longest intersectional rivalry, that's still pretty long and pretty impressive.

Also, Notre Dame has an exclusive network contract that I don't believe anyone else has ever had. Maybe I'm wrong on that too, but they are truly a national team with an extremely loyal fan base.

I had no idea by the way about Cincinnati vs Miami (Ohio). That's pretty shocking.

Oh, definitely still something to take pride in.
And the story is great. ND committed to always play the Naval Academy because the US Navy saved Notre Dame during WWII. Not "saved the football program" or "kept it relevant" the University of Notre Dame would have closed up in the face of declining enrollment had the Navy not placed one of its Officer Candidate Schools there. The instution still feels indebted. Plenty of Golden Dome faithful have said "Enough already, debt paid!" - subway alums but some grads also. But to date, leadership has remained committed to the rivalry. (Apologies if you already know that story.)

It's being reported that ND is in talks to "join" the ACC for FB for 2020, to allow both the ACC and ND to manage a "full" "Conference Only" schedule.

That would leave the SEC as the sole, Power conference still entertaining OOC games.

(07-24-2020 09:18 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  It's being reported that ND is in talks to "join" the ACC for FB for 2020, to allow both the ACC and ND to manage a "full" "Conference Only" schedule.

That would leave the SEC as the sole, Power conference still entertaining OOC games.

1. Did I miss some announcement from the Big XII?
2. The handful of ACC-SEC rivalry games are too valuable to the ACC schools and the conference to unilaterally abandon them.
3. That's why the ACC - ND reporting has been focused on conference +1 or +2, not "conference-only" From the ESPN story by Heather Dinich, " there has been no appetite in the ACC for a conference-only schedule." The real news is ND playing a full ACC schedule (+1 or +2) AND being eligible for the championship.
4. ND would be foolish to forego the Navy game -safest game they'll play, in week 1 against one of three FBS schools that can and will actually lock up their players, and on ABC/ESPN due to the AAC contract

(07-23-2020 11:12 AM)MidknightWhiskey Wrote:  

(07-23-2020 11:00 AM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  I wish Memphis could get a game with Notre Dame. Lot's of ND fans where I grew up. I was one myself as a kid. Actually I still pull for them as a bit of a closet fan. I do root for Navy though when they play.

Same. My grandfather was accepted to ND w/ a full scholarship but couldn't go. His family needed his paycheck to cover basic bills. He joined the Army and fought in Korea instead.

ND has built a national fanbase and it's awesome. One of many reasons why they wont fully join a conference as a FB member.

so gramps eschewed both university and familial duties for korea? f*ck that, i'm going to war

Could we get lucky and ESPN carves up the AAC and puts us in geographically sensible conferences for the COVID season? Notre Dame + Big XII + SEC + ACC + AAC is 50 teams. Big XII stays at 10 but SEC & ACC move to divisions of 10.

Big XII lends West Virginia to the ACC, borrows Houston.

SEC West borrows Tulsa, SMU, and Tulane. ***I sent Houston to the Big XII because Texas A&M is in the SEC West***
SEC East borrows Louisville + Memphis and Cincinnati.

ACC lends Louisville to the SEC, borrows West Virginia + Notre Dame + USF, UCF, ECU, Navy, and Temple.

Big XII lends one to ACC and borrows one from AAC.
SEC borrows one from ACC, five from AAC.
ACC lends one to SEC, borrows Notre Dame, borrows one from Big XII, borrows five from AAC.

Could be:

Big XII: Texas, Texas Tech, Houston, Baylor, TCU, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St, Kansas, Kansas St, Iowa St
SEC West: Tulsa, Texas A&M, SMU, Arkansas, LSU, Tulane, Ole Miss, Mississippi St, Alabama, Auburn
SEC East: Missouri, Kentucky, Louisville, Cincinnati, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Memphis, South Carolina, Georgia, Florida
ACC Atlantic: Florida St, UCF, Clemson, NC State, Wake Forest, Virginia Tech, Navy, West Virginia, Temple, East Carolina
ACC Coastal: Miami, USF, Georgia Tech, North Carolina, Duke, Virginia, Notre Dame, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Boston College

In the SEC I kept the same divisions but added friends to each. In the ACC I switched things up a little in the divisions for a better "zipper". Could play your division plus one crossover for 10 conference games. Big XII chooses 1 conference opponent for a home and home. SEC uses existing permanent crossovers plus Tulsa/Cincinnati, SMU/Louisville, and Tulane/Memphis. ACC pairs up how they're listed above - Florida St/Miami, UCF/USF, Clemson/Georgia Tech, NC State/North Carolina, Wake Forest/Duke, Virginia Tech/Virginia, Navy/Notre Dame, West Virginia/Pittsburgh, Temple/Syracuse, East Carolina/Boston College. Navy is happy - They get the academic blue bloods, Pittsburgh/Syracuse/Boston College, and Navy.

The networks get their content, the conferences get their money, and maybe even the AAC gets a little bit of a boost from ESPN. MW, Sun Belt, MAC, and C-USA are on the outside looking in. MW and MAC are geographically stable but maybe Sun Belt and C-USA do a 12 & 12 regional agreement and use whatever model the Pac-12 uses - The MW and MAC will likely use the same model.

SBC-USA West: UTEP, North Texas, Texas St, UTSA, Rice, Arkansas St, Louisiana Tech, Louisiana Monroe, Louisiana Lafayette, Western Kentucky, Middle Tennessee, Southern Miss
SBC-USA East: Marshall, Old Dominion, Charlotte, Appalachian St, Coastal Carolina, UAB, Troy, South Alabama, Georgia St, Georgia Southern, Florida Atlantic, Florida International

Maybe BYU and NMSU make an agreement with the MW; UConn, UMass, and Army with the MAC; and Liberty with the SBC-USA. Or more likely they're left out to play each other double-round-robin for 10 "conference" games plus some non-conference games.

It's "the year that isn't" - Houston could win the Big XII, Louisville or an AAC team could win the SEC, Notre Dame/WVU or an AAC team could win the ACC, there is literally no AAC - maybe just crown the highest ranked AAC team the champion. The Pac-12, MW, MAC, and Big Ten hold strong because they're a lot more geographically stable (Pac-12/MW and Big Ten/MAC overlap but academics and athletic prowess separate them). The Big XII, SEC, ACC, and AAC can share because there's a similar goal of athletic prowess (although the AAC is willing to spend and up-and-coming), not such a strong institutional identity associated with the conferences, and the geographic footprints overlap. That leaves the Sun Belt and C-USA to sort themselves out regionally because there's just not enough of an institutional identity or a difference in the media money for them to be so picky.

If this goes on into basketball season the conferences could stay the same with Wichita St finding a landing spot in the Big East and VCU filling in for Navy in the ACC.

(07-24-2020 09:15 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(07-24-2020 08:53 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  

(07-24-2020 08:20 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(07-24-2020 07:54 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  

(07-24-2020 03:07 PM)mikeinoki Wrote:  +2
I don't get the fascination with ND. I hold them responsible for keeping non-"P5" teams down in the CFP rankings. For obvious reasons (money, P5 control) they get an equal vote with the five "P5" conferences on the CFP Board of Governors, blocking the "G5" votes by 6-5 when choosing the Selection Committee. Which is why the "G5" has only 2 of 13 seats on the Selection Committee. Even though the CFP claims,

Universal Access
No team qualifies automatically, so every Football Bowl Subdivision (FBS) team has equal access to the CFP based on its performance during the season.

Now if they wanted to join the ACC and lose their CFP Board vote, I would be all for it.

Well maybe it's because you're a southerner. I wouldn't expect you to be. Even so, it's hard to deny their legendary place in the college football history book.

Their brand is undeniable. Even today still. Are they what they once were? No, but you know the networks would love nothing more than to have them back on top fighting for a championship again. Re-ignite the USC/ND games. The ND/Alabama games. The ND/Michigan games. Lot's and lot's of history there folks. I believe ND/Navy is the oldest rivalry in all of sports.

We brag on Navy Notre Dame as "the longest coninuous intersectional rivalry in college football."
Army Navy is longer overall. Even among conference mates, Cincinnati beats Army Navy for longevity with the series vs Miami (Ohio). And there are plenty more longer than Navy ND.

I stand corrected then. Even if it's the longest intersectional rivalry, that's still pretty long and pretty impressive.

Also, Notre Dame has an exclusive network contract that I don't believe anyone else has ever had. Maybe I'm wrong on that too, but they are truly a national team with an extremely loyal fan base.

I had no idea by the way about Cincinnati vs Miami (Ohio). That's pretty shocking.

Oh, definitely still something to take pride in.
And the story is great. ND committed to always play the Naval Academy because the US Navy saved Notre Dame during WWII. Not "saved the football program" or "kept it relevant" the University of Notre Dame would have closed up in the face of declining enrollment had the Navy not placed one of its Officer Candidate Schools there. The instution still feels indebted. Plenty of Golden Dome faithful have said "Enough already, debt paid!" - subway alums but some grads also. But to date, leadership has remained committed to the rivalry. (Apologies if you already know that story.)

No apologies necessary with me. I'm just a dumb fan who enjoys this kind of information.

I guess this makes for fun conversation. But it isn't going to happen.

(07-24-2020 08:27 AM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(07-24-2020 02:46 AM)knightz03 Wrote:  

(07-23-2020 11:00 AM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  I wish Memphis could get a game with Notre Dame. Lot's of ND fans where I grew up. I was one myself as a kid. Actually I still pull for them as a bit of a closet fan. I do root for Navy though when they play.

Notre Dame to me is one of the schools worth a 2 for 1 because they are very difficult to get scheduled. Temple's series with them couldn't have come at a better time for Temple, as the game in Philly happened to come when Temple was 7-0 and ranked in the top 20. Getting GameDay, a 65k sellout at Lincoln Financial Field - probably my favorite single day as a Temple fan, even with the loss, and even more than the Penn St or AAC Title wins. It was a glimpse in to what could be for this program if the progress kept up.

You've never worked with Notre Dame...

When Notre Dame had their scheduling alliance with the Big East, they were famous for being impossible to "work with." For example, to play Rutgers, their demand was a "home and neutral" series...not a 2-for-1...where the neutral site ***could*** be the Meadowlands and Rutgers could wear the "home colors" BUT Notre Dame got HALF of the gate. When Rutgers refused, pulling for a 1-1-1 arrangement, ND went and scheduled Uconn on their terms instead.

Or think...when was the last time ND condescended to play in Annapolis? And would they have if Covid hadn't screwed up the Dublin trip?

Notre Dame ***may*** give you a one-shot at Notre Dame Stadium...if it fits their agenda. They may even do a neutral site game if it breaks them into a new market. But I'd be amazed if they ever did a real 2-1 with anyone in this conference. I guess I could see ND playing in Memphis--that would be a market they could exploit--but I doubt it'd be a true reciprocal agreement.

I remember when Notre Dame gave Tulsa our one and only shot at playing in Notre Dame stadium. All we did was end their QB's season, beat them by 1 with a game ending interception in the endzone, and play our fight song over their alma mater after the game. Good times.