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(06-11-2020 08:18 AM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  Found this on the AAC board, and thought it was interesting to see how someone at ESPN views the various G5 coaching positions....

What are your opinions?

https://www.espn.com/college-football/in...ve-group-5

G5 coaching Tiers: (Listed Alphabetically)

TIER 1: Boise State, Cincinnati, Houston, UCF

TIER 2: BYU, Memphis, Navy, San Diego State, SMU, South Florida, Temple
Most likely to move up: Memphis

TIER 3: Air Force, Appalachian State, Arkansas State, Central Michigan, Colorado State, East Carolina, Florida Atlantic, Fresno State, Georgia Southern, Louisiana, Louisiana Tech, Marshall, Miami (Ohio), Northern Illinois, North Texas, Ohio, Southern Miss, Toledo, Western Michigan, Wyoming
Most likely to move up: Colorado State

TIER 4: Army, Bowling Green, Buffalo, Charlotte, Florida International, Georgia State, Hawaii, Liberty, Middle Tennessee, Nevada, New Mexico, Old Dominion, Troy, Tulane, Tulsa, UAB, UConn, Utah State, Western Kentucky
Most likely to move up: Troy, Tulane

TIER 5: Akron, Ball State, Coastal Carolina, Eastern Michigan, Kent State, Louisiana-Monroe, New Mexico State, Rice, San Jose State, South Alabama, Texas State, UMass, UTEP, UTSA
Most likely to move up: Texas State, UTSA

I may be be totally delusional here but I feel the most overlooked team here is WKU. We have 16 of 22 offensive and defensive starters back plus 2 of 3 specialists. QB will be our question mark. Our defense was one of the top G5 defenses in the country by years end last season. If our qb question works out I think we be at tier 2 level for sure. Maybe higher. Time will tell if we're a paper tiger or not. I know the players are confident in themselves and that can be half the battle right there. I for one think they will be the real deal...after all I am a homie. Lol
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(06-11-2020 08:03 PM)69topper Wrote:  
(06-11-2020 08:18 AM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  Found this on the AAC board, and thought it was interesting to see how someone at ESPN views the various G5 coaching positions....

What are your opinions?

https://www.espn.com/college-football/in...ve-group-5

G5 coaching Tiers: (Listed Alphabetically)

TIER 1: Boise State, Cincinnati, Houston, UCF

TIER 2: BYU, Memphis, Navy, San Diego State, SMU, South Florida, Temple
Most likely to move up: Memphis

TIER 3: Air Force, Appalachian State, Arkansas State, Central Michigan, Colorado State, East Carolina, Florida Atlantic, Fresno State, Georgia Southern, Louisiana, Louisiana Tech, Marshall, Miami (Ohio), Northern Illinois, North Texas, Ohio, Southern Miss, Toledo, Western Michigan, Wyoming
Most likely to move up: Colorado State

TIER 4: Army, Bowling Green, Buffalo, Charlotte, Florida International, Georgia State, Hawaii, Liberty, Middle Tennessee, Nevada, New Mexico, Old Dominion, Troy, Tulane, Tulsa, UAB, UConn, Utah State, Western Kentucky
Most likely to move up: Troy, Tulane

TIER 5: Akron, Ball State, Coastal Carolina, Eastern Michigan, Kent State, Louisiana-Monroe, New Mexico State, Rice, San Jose State, South Alabama, Texas State, UMass, UTEP, UTSA
Most likely to move up: Texas State, UTSA

I may be be totally delusional here but I feel the most overlooked team here is WKU. We have 16 of 22 offensive and defensive starters back plus 2 of 3 specialists. QB will be our question mark. Our defense was one of the top G5 defenses in the country by years end last season. If our qb question works out I think we be at tier 2 level for sure. Maybe higher. Time will tell if we're a paper tiger or not. I know the players are confident in themselves and that can be half the battle right there. I for one think they will be the real deal...after all I am a homie. Lol

This is not the ranking for the upcoming season.

This takes into consideration several years, maybe even more + a winning tradition.
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Kiffin had a shot at tier 2. 2 out of 3 titles. Hotbed of recruiting. Charismatic. And FAU has money. Couple more years there he would have to have been considered. But now they'll drop faster than Middle basketball. And that's fast.
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(06-12-2020 02:59 AM)MUther Wrote:  Kiffin had a shot at tier 2. 2 out of 3 titles. Hotbed of recruiting. Charismatic. And FAU has money. Couple more years there he would have to have been considered. But now they'll drop faster than Middle basketball. And that's fast.

Kiffin isn't what ESPN has ranked, it is the coaching job at FAU. But, the AD and Kiffin certainly did a great job of elevating the head position at their university. If Taggart can keep the momentum rolling and they can improve their attendance numbers, I see no reason why FAU wouldn't move up to the 2nd Tier in the near future. Of the 5 C-USA programs in the 3nd Tier, FAU probably has the best chance to move up to the 2nd Tier. They seem to have the infrastructure in place.
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(06-12-2020 08:33 AM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  
(06-12-2020 02:59 AM)MUther Wrote:  Kiffin had a shot at tier 2. 2 out of 3 titles. Hotbed of recruiting. Charismatic. And FAU has money. Couple more years there he would have to have been considered. But now they'll drop faster than Middle basketball. And that's fast.

Kiffin isn't what ESPN has ranked, it is the coaching job at FAU. But, the AD and Kiffin certainly did a great job of elevating the head position at their university. If Taggart can keep the momentum rolling and they can improve their attendance numbers, I see no reason why FAU wouldn't move up to the 2nd Tier in the near future. Of the 5 C-USA programs in the 3nd Tier, FAU probably has the best chance to move up to the 2nd Tier. They seem to have the infrastructure in place.

Muther is right. Same with North Texas. The only reason both are listed as tier 3 are because of very recent success, And could easily drop very quick.
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(06-11-2020 08:03 PM)69topper Wrote:  
(06-11-2020 08:18 AM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  Found this on the AAC board, and thought it was interesting to see how someone at ESPN views the various G5 coaching positions....

What are your opinions?

https://www.espn.com/college-football/in...ve-group-5

G5 coaching Tiers: (Listed Alphabetically)

TIER 1: Boise State, Cincinnati, Houston, UCF

TIER 2: BYU, Memphis, Navy, San Diego State, SMU, South Florida, Temple
Most likely to move up: Memphis

TIER 3: Air Force, Appalachian State, Arkansas State, Central Michigan, Colorado State, East Carolina, Florida Atlantic, Fresno State, Georgia Southern, Louisiana, Louisiana Tech, Marshall, Miami (Ohio), Northern Illinois, North Texas, Ohio, Southern Miss, Toledo, Western Michigan, Wyoming
Most likely to move up: Colorado State

TIER 4: Army, Bowling Green, Buffalo, Charlotte, Florida International, Georgia State, Hawaii, Liberty, Middle Tennessee, Nevada, New Mexico, Old Dominion, Troy, Tulane, Tulsa, UAB, UConn, Utah State, Western Kentucky
Most likely to move up: Troy, Tulane

TIER 5: Akron, Ball State, Coastal Carolina, Eastern Michigan, Kent State, Louisiana-Monroe, New Mexico State, Rice, San Jose State, South Alabama, Texas State, UMass, UTEP, UTSA
Most likely to move up: Texas State, UTSA

I may be be totally delusional here but I feel the most overlooked team here is WKU. We have 16 of 22 offensive and defensive starters back plus 2 of 3 specialists. QB will be our question mark. Our defense was one of the top G5 defenses in the country by years end last season. If our qb question works out I think we be at tier 2 level for sure. Maybe higher. Time will tell if we're a paper tiger or not. I know the players are confident in themselves and that can be half the battle right there. I for one think they will be the real deal...after all I am a homie. Lol

The writer isn't talking about the outlook for each team this season. He's talking about where the schools rank in terms of job attractiveness for coaches, in his opinion.
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(06-12-2020 09:43 AM)Dawgxas Wrote:  
(06-12-2020 08:33 AM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  
(06-12-2020 02:59 AM)MUther Wrote:  Kiffin had a shot at tier 2. 2 out of 3 titles. Hotbed of recruiting. Charismatic. And FAU has money. Couple more years there he would have to have been considered. But now they'll drop faster than Middle basketball. And that's fast.

Kiffin isn't what ESPN has ranked, it is the coaching job at FAU. But, the AD and Kiffin certainly did a great job of elevating the head position at their university. If Taggart can keep the momentum rolling and they can improve their attendance numbers, I see no reason why FAU wouldn't move up to the 2nd Tier in the near future. Of the 5 C-USA programs in the 3nd Tier, FAU probably has the best chance to move up to the 2nd Tier. They seem to have the infrastructure in place.

Muther is right. Same with North Texas. The only reason both are listed as tier 3 are because of very recent success, And could easily drop very quick.

North Texas is coming off a 4-8 season. Recent success probably isn't why UNT was placed in the 3rd Tier. Remember, this is a ranking of how attractive each program's job is.
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A reminder: Here are the criteria that the ESPN writer Adam Rittenberg used to grade his tiers:

(06-11-2020 08:30 AM)pilot172000 Wrote:  For better context.

Tier 1 jobs: Financial backing for coaches' salaries, support staff and facilities projects; no major barriers in access to top recruits; consistent league title contenders that regularly target New Year's Six bowls; history of wins against Power 5 (recent or long term); strong local or regional fan support; Power 5 expansion candidates.

Tier 2 jobs: Solid footing with finances, facilities and support; access to good regional recruiting areas; competes often for league championships, regularly makes bowls and occasionally challenges for the New Year's Six; some history of wins against the Power 5 (recent or long term); solid local or regional fan base.

Tier 3 jobs: Some resource or location limitations but enough to make bowl games consistently and challenge for conference titles; a restricted but decent recruiting pool of regional or national prospects; a rare New Year's Six appearance is the ceiling; not a realistic candidate for Power 5 expansion.

Tier 4 jobs: Moderate challenges with finances, facilities or program support; requires a unique approach in recruiting to compete with upper-tier teams in their leagues; bowl eligibility is a realistic goal most seasons, with some 10-win seasons from time to time; not much sustained history of success.

Tier 5 jobs: Significant challenges with infrastructure, support, facilities and/or location; restricted recruiting and/or fan base (regional or national); a place where bowl eligibility is always celebrated; limited history of on-field success and little or no sustained history of winning.
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(06-11-2020 12:08 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  It's a guage of success and sustaining that success. UTEP is correctly listed in the last tier due to location. Not a hotbed for recruiting and quite a distance to areas that are. It's going to take a hard working coach that can find a few diamonds in the rough and the coaching ability to develop them. This is Dimel's 3rd year and he has redshirted most of his recruits and dipped into the jc pool so if he is ever going to field an improved team, this better be the year.

Explain Boise State then.

Boise is not known as a recruiting hotbed and it’s far from L.A, San Diego and Phoenix. Same applies to Gonzaga basketball.

Mike Price proved in his first two seasons it’s possible to win in El Paso. The problem with UTEP is its fans want a top 25 FBS program and not pay at the gate. Until UTEP realizes it has unique advantages the vast majority of G5 schools wish they had and not capitalize on it, not much will change.

I’ll be honest. I haven’t kept up with President Heather Wilson and AD Sentry but I hope he doesn’t keep coaches who don’t win like Stull did with Price and Floyd. That would be a good start and as you mentioned, this ja the year Dimel needs to show results or he needs to go.
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(06-12-2020 12:30 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  
(06-12-2020 09:43 AM)Dawgxas Wrote:  
(06-12-2020 08:33 AM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  
(06-12-2020 02:59 AM)MUther Wrote:  Kiffin had a shot at tier 2. 2 out of 3 titles. Hotbed of recruiting. Charismatic. And FAU has money. Couple more years there he would have to have been considered. But now they'll drop faster than Middle basketball. And that's fast.

Kiffin isn't what ESPN has ranked, it is the coaching job at FAU. But, the AD and Kiffin certainly did a great job of elevating the head position at their university. If Taggart can keep the momentum rolling and they can improve their attendance numbers, I see no reason why FAU wouldn't move up to the 2nd Tier in the near future. Of the 5 C-USA programs in the 3nd Tier, FAU probably has the best chance to move up to the 2nd Tier. They seem to have the infrastructure in place.

Muther is right. Same with North Texas. The only reason both are listed as tier 3 are because of very recent success, And could easily drop very quick.

North Texas is coming off a 4-8 season. Recent success probably isn't why UNT was placed in the 3rd Tier. Remember, this is a ranking of how attractive each program's job is.

So decades of a losing program and decades of not being able to recruit NFL talent is attractive for a coach?

Recent success and salary are what makes the NT job attractive because it sure ain’t recruiting or sustained winning
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Facilities for North Texas also
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North Texas have done a lot of the right things the last 5 or 6 years. On field success has been up and down but the foundation is being built there. I would certainly look at the job at a tier 3 gig based on commitment and money. They have a lot of things, I would love to get in Ruston.
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(06-12-2020 04:17 PM)pilot172000 Wrote:  North Texas have done a lot of the right things the last 5 or 6 years. On field success has been up and down but the foundation is being built there. I would certainly look at the job at a tier 3 gig based on commitment and money. They have a lot of things, I would love to get in Ruston.

North Texas has a growing percentage of the fan base that are pointing at LA Tech's success and expecting better results from Littrell. I like Littrell, but with what the university has put in place for our football program, he has to bring home conference titles and a bowl wins. Last season's 4-8 mark is beyond unacceptable, and Littrell knows it. Over the next two or three seasons, we will find out how good of a coach Littrell is, and how committed UNT really is.

To you point, we see results in Ruston that we would love to have in Denton. If UNT is truly committed, than we will not settle for less.
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Like I said earlier, UNT's attractiveness as a job isn't based on recent success. It's $$$$$. And that money is buying facilities and pays a growing salary. The school continues to grow and the AD has supposedly only been told to cut 5% due to the Coviding. Resources make a job attractive.
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(06-11-2020 08:03 PM)69topper Wrote:  
(06-11-2020 08:18 AM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  Found this on the AAC board, and thought it was interesting to see how someone at ESPN views the various G5 coaching positions....

What are your opinions?

https://www.espn.com/college-football/in...ve-group-5

G5 coaching Tiers: (Listed Alphabetically)

TIER 1: Boise State, Cincinnati, Houston, UCF

TIER 2: BYU, Memphis, Navy, San Diego State, SMU, South Florida, Temple
Most likely to move up: Memphis

TIER 3: Air Force, Appalachian State, Arkansas State, Central Michigan, Colorado State, East Carolina, Florida Atlantic, Fresno State, Georgia Southern, Louisiana, Louisiana Tech, Marshall, Miami (Ohio), Northern Illinois, North Texas, Ohio, Southern Miss, Toledo, Western Michigan, Wyoming
Most likely to move up: Colorado State

TIER 4: Army, Bowling Green, Buffalo, Charlotte, Florida International, Georgia State, Hawaii, Liberty, Middle Tennessee, Nevada, New Mexico, Old Dominion, Troy, Tulane, Tulsa, UAB, UConn, Utah State, Western Kentucky
Most likely to move up: Troy, Tulane

TIER 5: Akron, Ball State, Coastal Carolina, Eastern Michigan, Kent State, Louisiana-Monroe, New Mexico State, Rice, San Jose State, South Alabama, Texas State, UMass, UTEP, UTSA
Most likely to move up: Texas State, UTSA

I may be be totally delusional here but I feel the most overlooked team here is WKU. We have 16 of 22 offensive and defensive starters back plus 2 of 3 specialists. QB will be our question mark. Our defense was one of the top G5 defenses in the country by years end last season. If our qb question works out I think we be at tier 2 level for sure. Maybe higher. Time will tell if we're a paper tiger or not. I know the players are confident in themselves and that can be half the battle right there. I for one think they will be the real deal...after all I am a homie. Lol
69 Topper I think you are trying to equate this with the current situation. If you look at the criteria for the rankings I agree WKU should be tier 3 at worst. Read the article. WKU requires a unique approach to recruit with the top teams in CUSA? false, Bowl expectations is a realistic goal most seasons? true, 10 win seasons from time to time? true. Not much sustained history of success? false, 32 all time in wins.
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(06-12-2020 02:59 AM)MUther Wrote:  Kiffin had a shot at tier 2. 2 out of 3 titles. Hotbed of recruiting. Charismatic. And FAU has money. Couple more years there he would have to have been considered. But now they'll drop faster than Middle basketball. And that's fast.
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clt says fau, Charlotte and odu will be tier one very soon,
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Are we know arguing which coaching position is tops? The season can not start soon enough...
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(06-12-2020 07:05 PM)Franko Wrote:  
(06-11-2020 08:03 PM)69topper Wrote:  
(06-11-2020 08:18 AM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  Found this on the AAC board, and thought it was interesting to see how someone at ESPN views the various G5 coaching positions....

What are your opinions?

https://www.espn.com/college-football/in...ve-group-5

G5 coaching Tiers: (Listed Alphabetically)

TIER 1: Boise State, Cincinnati, Houston, UCF

TIER 2: BYU, Memphis, Navy, San Diego State, SMU, South Florida, Temple
Most likely to move up: Memphis

TIER 3: Air Force, Appalachian State, Arkansas State, Central Michigan, Colorado State, East Carolina, Florida Atlantic, Fresno State, Georgia Southern, Louisiana, Louisiana Tech, Marshall, Miami (Ohio), Northern Illinois, North Texas, Ohio, Southern Miss, Toledo, Western Michigan, Wyoming
Most likely to move up: Colorado State

TIER 4: Army, Bowling Green, Buffalo, Charlotte, Florida International, Georgia State, Hawaii, Liberty, Middle Tennessee, Nevada, New Mexico, Old Dominion, Troy, Tulane, Tulsa, UAB, UConn, Utah State, Western Kentucky
Most likely to move up: Troy, Tulane

TIER 5: Akron, Ball State, Coastal Carolina, Eastern Michigan, Kent State, Louisiana-Monroe, New Mexico State, Rice, San Jose State, South Alabama, Texas State, UMass, UTEP, UTSA
Most likely to move up: Texas State, UTSA

I may be be totally delusional here but I feel the most overlooked team here is WKU. We have 16 of 22 offensive and defensive starters back plus 2 of 3 specialists. QB will be our question mark. Our defense was one of the top G5 defenses in the country by years end last season. If our qb question works out I think we be at tier 2 level for sure. Maybe higher. Time will tell if we're a paper tiger or not. I know the players are confident in themselves and that can be half the battle right there. I for one think they will be the real deal...after all I am a homie. Lol
69 Topper I think you are trying to equate this with the current situation. If you look at the criteria for the rankings I agree WKU should be tier 3 at worst. Read the article. WKU requires a unique approach to recruit with the top teams in CUSA? false, Bowl expectations is a realistic goal most seasons? true, 10 win seasons from time to time? true. Not much sustained history of success? false, 32 all time in wins.

You are correct, I was looking only at the present. I feel we do a lot with very little compared to most of our conference mates. I think we rank around 12th or so financially.
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(06-12-2020 08:08 PM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  clt says fau, Charlotte and odu will be tier one very soon,

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