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(06-07-2020 06:58 PM)SMUleopold Wrote:  
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(06-07-2020 10:47 AM)IamYourDad Wrote:  I respect Willie Fritz, but to put him over Heupel who is 22-4 and was in a NY6 is just disrespectful

It's more just flat wrong more than disrespectful

Can I respectfully disagree?

Fritz has done nothing but take losers and turn them into winners at every level. I realize the Green Wave may have somewhat plateau'd, but if it doesn't work out in New Orleans it's not because Fritz can't coach.

Heupel, on the other hand, is just the opposite and has been handed the keys to a Porsche and hasn't proven he can keep it there. The jury's still out on him - I'm not convinced he's not the UCF Larry Coker. We need more than two years to show this.

Based on career record Fritz, to me, is second only to Niumatalolo, maybe in front. You can disagree, but Tulane needs to give him the benefit of the doubt because he's a damn fine coach.

Heupel went undefeated and got us to a NY6. In that NY6 we had a backup and kept it within one score against LSU. An LSU team with Burrow that had many of the same players that just went undefeated this season. Last season we had a freshman QB. You’re acting like Heupel crashed the Porsche. He accomplished more than most of the coaches in this league in just two seasons. We agree to disagree though
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(06-07-2020 10:47 AM)IamYourDad Wrote:  I respect Willie Fritz, but to put him over Heupel who is 22-4 and was in a NY6 is just disrespectful

I'm with you on that.
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(06-06-2020 09:35 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  Fake news! I refuse to believe there's 7 coaches in this league worse than Dana.

I would take those 7 coaches over him every day of the week. Dana is Tuberville 2.0.

I disagree with both you two... Dana is getting house in order right now and when he's done putting pieces in place Dana is going to anchor Houston back where it belongs, dominating the AAC and back at the big stage, the NY6 Bowl.

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The problem for Houston is that you can't afford a bad hire. Most of the AAC has funded its massive expansions with debt. That's great if you're winning and filling up the stands, but one attendance-killing hire will cause huge problems for programs. You'd better be darn sure that Holgorson is the right guy. Fortunately, other than SMU there's no one on your stair step within striking distance. UTEP, Rice, UTSA, and UNT are clearly not great schools athletically or academically (except for Rice) and you guys are 3-year conference title-winning run away from moving up to TTU status.
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(06-07-2020 09:57 PM)Greenwavedrownsacat Wrote:  
(06-07-2020 12:47 PM)oliveandblue Wrote:  Heupel is probably above Fritz. Fritz is halfway through his rebuild.

Dykes is probably above Fritz, too.

Dana inherited a 5-series BMW and just wrapped it around a tree. This guy already has a penchant for losing to teams he has no business losing to (WSU and Tulane were both blown games of the highest order), and also posted an incredible 0-6 record against AAC teams that finished above .500.

The cupboard was not THAT bare at UH.


Classic. I really don’t even believe you are a Tulane fan. Either that or you have some weird Stockholm syndrome/inferiority complex.

Dykes has turned the corner at SMU faster than Fritz has at Tulane.

Heupel gets undersold. It's very easy to let a winning program at the G5 level fall off the wagon.

Fritz is a respectable midlevel AAC coach. He's 5th or so.

Also, I don't drink Kool-Aid. I went to school during the Cowen era.
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(06-07-2020 11:48 PM)IamYourDad Wrote:  
(06-07-2020 06:58 PM)SMUleopold Wrote:  
(06-07-2020 12:07 PM)tigerjeb Wrote:  
(06-07-2020 10:47 AM)IamYourDad Wrote:  I respect Willie Fritz, but to put him over Heupel who is 22-4 and was in a NY6 is just disrespectful

It's more just flat wrong more than disrespectful

Can I respectfully disagree?

Fritz has done nothing but take losers and turn them into winners at every level. I realize the Green Wave may have somewhat plateau'd, but if it doesn't work out in New Orleans it's not because Fritz can't coach.

Heupel, on the other hand, is just the opposite and has been handed the keys to a Porsche and hasn't proven he can keep it there. The jury's still out on him - I'm not convinced he's not the UCF Larry Coker. We need more than two years to show this.

Based on career record Fritz, to me, is second only to Niumatalolo, maybe in front. You can disagree, but Tulane needs to give him the benefit of the doubt because he's a damn fine coach.

Heupel went undefeated and got us to a NY6. In that NY6 we had a backup and kept it within one score against LSU. An LSU team with Burrow that had many of the same players that just went undefeated this season. Last season we had a freshman QB. You’re acting like Heupel crashed the Porsche. He accomplished more than most of the coaches in this league in just two seasons. We agree to disagree though

I get that.

I just think Fritz has shown over the years he can coach while Heupel still has to prove himself.

Probably just needs more time.
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(06-08-2020 08:47 AM)oliveandblue Wrote:  
(06-07-2020 09:57 PM)Greenwavedrownsacat Wrote:  
(06-07-2020 12:47 PM)oliveandblue Wrote:  Heupel is probably above Fritz. Fritz is halfway through his rebuild.

Dykes is probably above Fritz, too.

Dana inherited a 5-series BMW and just wrapped it around a tree. This guy already has a penchant for losing to teams he has no business losing to (WSU and Tulane were both blown games of the highest order), and also posted an incredible 0-6 record against AAC teams that finished above .500.

The cupboard was not THAT bare at UH.


Classic. I really don’t even believe you are a Tulane fan. Either that or you have some weird Stockholm syndrome/inferiority complex.

Dykes has turned the corner at SMU faster than Fritz has at Tulane.

Heupel gets undersold. It's very easy to let a winning program at the G5 level fall off the wagon.

Fritz is a respectable midlevel AAC coach. He's 5th or so.

Also, I don't drink Kool-Aid. I went to school during the Cowen era.

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(06-07-2020 11:07 AM)BigHouston Wrote:  
(06-07-2020 02:19 AM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  
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(06-06-2020 09:35 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  Fake news! I refuse to believe there's 7 coaches in this league worse than Dana.

I would take those 7 coaches over him every day of the week. Dana is Tuberville 2.0.

I disagree with both you two... Dana is getting house in order right now and when he's done putting pieces in place Dana is going to anchor Houston back where it belongs, dominating the AAC and back at the big stage, the NY6 Bowl.

We were paying Applewhite half as much to win twice as many games. I'm for giving the man time to turn it around but so far he hasn't been a smart investment.

You're making it sound as if Dana is been at Houston for a few years and nothing has improved... I'll say IF poor results continue this coming season Dana will get the "or else" discussion... Dana, has three years to turn Houston's football program around and he will.

I'm acting like Dana turned in the worst season we've had since Art Briles 2nd season. This coming after the administration fired a coach for going 8-4 and while he's the highest paid G5 coach in the country. We didn't get our money's worth last season and nothing short of a conference championship and a NY6 bowl appearance is going to get us back to breaking even. I agree that he should be given a minimum of three years but the same could be said for his predecessor. He was canned after two years and a 15-10 record. Dana's sitting at 4-8, you see us going 11-2 this year because I dont.
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(06-08-2020 05:56 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  I'm acting like Dana turned in the worst season we've had since Art Briles 2nd season. This coming after the administration fired a coach for going 8-4 and while he's the highest paid G5 coach in the country. We didn't get our money's worth last season and nothing short of a conference championship and a NY6 bowl appearance is going to get us back to breaking even. I agree that he should be given a minimum of three years but the same could be said for his predecessor. He was canned after two years and a 15-10 record. Dana's sitting at 4-8, you see us going 11-2 this year because I dont.

I feel you on that one. I agree that Dana is getting a pass for last season, but I wonder if the school is going to be in a position to cut another coach loose early in the contract and pay another buyout. Tillman's financials can't be as good as they were a couple of years ago and, besides, if Dana pulls it together and wins 9 then they will move one.
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(06-08-2020 06:10 PM)SMUleopold Wrote:  
(06-08-2020 05:56 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  I'm acting like Dana turned in the worst season we've had since Art Briles 2nd season. This coming after the administration fired a coach for going 8-4 and while he's the highest paid G5 coach in the country. We didn't get our money's worth last season and nothing short of a conference championship and a NY6 bowl appearance is going to get us back to breaking even. I agree that he should be given a minimum of three years but the same could be said for his predecessor. He was canned after two years and a 15-10 record. Dana's sitting at 4-8, you see us going 11-2 this year because I dont.

I feel you on that one. I agree that Dana is getting a pass for last season, but I wonder if the school is going to be in a position to cut another coach loose early in the contract and pay another buyout. Tillman's financials can't be as good as they were a couple of years ago and, besides, if Dana pulls it together and wins 9 then they will move one.

Fair points and from what I remember of the structure of his contract we'll be stuck with Dana (for better or worse) for at least three seasons even if next season is as disastrous as the last. However we're reaching a critical juncture for any program seeking membership in P5 league. There's a real chance that a divide happens between the P5 and G5 in the next few years, and if it does I want UH to be on the right side of that dividing line. Stakes are high, so for the sake of all things holy Dana better figure it out.
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(06-08-2020 05:56 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  
(06-07-2020 11:07 AM)BigHouston Wrote:  
(06-07-2020 02:19 AM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  
(06-07-2020 01:46 AM)BigHouston Wrote:  
(06-07-2020 01:28 AM)wavefan12 Wrote:  I would take those 7 coaches over him every day of the week. Dana is Tuberville 2.0.

I disagree with both you two... Dana is getting house in order right now and when he's done putting pieces in place Dana is going to anchor Houston back where it belongs, dominating the AAC and back at the big stage, the NY6 Bowl.

We were paying Applewhite half as much to win twice as many games. I'm for giving the man time to turn it around but so far he hasn't been a smart investment.

You're making it sound as if Dana is been at Houston for a few years and nothing has improved... I'll say IF poor results continue this coming season Dana will get the "or else" discussion... Dana, has three years to turn Houston's football program around and he will.

I'm acting like Dana turned in the worst season we've had since Art Briles 2nd season. This coming after the administration fired a coach for going 8-4 and while he's the highest paid G5 coach in the country. We didn't get our money's worth last season and nothing short of a conference championship and a NY6 bowl appearance is going to get us back to breaking even. I agree that he should be given a minimum of three years but the same could be said for his predecessor. He was canned after two years and a 15-10 record. Dana's sitting at 4-8, you see us going 11-2 this year because I dont.

Major wasn't fired for 8-4. He was fired for 7-1 and then 1-3 against weak competition, capped off by giving up 70! points to a good, not great Army team. Systemic structural problems in the program had been exposed that had to be addressed. An average coach should have won 10 games against that schedule with the roster UH had that year.

Don't forget that Pezman was a member of the best UH team of the Run-and-Shoot era. He knows what a quality football program looks like, top to bottom.

If Holgorsen doesn't win 8+ games this year, then some scrutiny will be warranted. But the idea that the Applewhite of 7-1 would have magically reappeared last year is pure fiction.
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(06-09-2020 10:30 AM)J Coog Wrote:  
(06-08-2020 05:56 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  
(06-07-2020 11:07 AM)BigHouston Wrote:  
(06-07-2020 02:19 AM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  
(06-07-2020 01:46 AM)BigHouston Wrote:  I disagree with both you two... Dana is getting house in order right now and when he's done putting pieces in place Dana is going to anchor Houston back where it belongs, dominating the AAC and back at the big stage, the NY6 Bowl.

We were paying Applewhite half as much to win twice as many games. I'm for giving the man time to turn it around but so far he hasn't been a smart investment.

You're making it sound as if Dana is been at Houston for a few years and nothing has improved... I'll say IF poor results continue this coming season Dana will get the "or else" discussion... Dana, has three years to turn Houston's football program around and he will.

I'm acting like Dana turned in the worst season we've had since Art Briles 2nd season. This coming after the administration fired a coach for going 8-4 and while he's the highest paid G5 coach in the country. We didn't get our money's worth last season and nothing short of a conference championship and a NY6 bowl appearance is going to get us back to breaking even. I agree that he should be given a minimum of three years but the same could be said for his predecessor. He was canned after two years and a 15-10 record. Dana's sitting at 4-8, you see us going 11-2 this year because I dont.

Major wasn't fired for 8-4. He was fired for 7-1 and then 1-3 against weak competition, capped off by giving up 70! points to a good, not great Army team. Systemic structural problems in the program had been exposed that had to be addressed. An average coach should have won 10 games against that schedule with the roster UH had that year.

Don't forget that Pezman was a member of the best UH team of the Run-and-Shoot era. He knows what a quality football program looks like, top to bottom.

If Holgorsen doesn't win 8+ games this year, then some scrutiny will be warranted. But the idea that the Applewhite of 7-1 would have magically reappeared last year is pure fiction.
I dont think Major was going to turn it around in a third year. I still think it was a bad precedent however to fire a coach after two years when prior we were complaining about a coach leaving after two. I do think we could've kept him and he would've done better than 4-8 last year. Then we could've moved him out on a lower buyout. A move that would've netted us more wins and saved us money. The idea that somehow scrutiny isn't warranted after the fiasco of a season we just had is stupid. Scrutiny is warranted now. He's the highest paid coach in this league. Anything less than a conference championship is a disappointment for the money. That's the standard the administration set. Is that unreasonable, probably, but that's what it is.
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(06-07-2020 11:07 AM)BigHouston Wrote:  
(06-07-2020 02:19 AM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  
(06-07-2020 01:46 AM)BigHouston Wrote:  
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(06-06-2020 09:35 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  Fake news! I refuse to believe there's 7 coaches in this league worse than Dana.

I would take those 7 coaches over him every day of the week. Dana is Tuberville 2.0.

I disagree with both you two... Dana is getting house in order right now and when he's done putting pieces in place Dana is going to anchor Houston back where it belongs, dominating the AAC and back at the big stage, the NY6 Bowl.

We were paying Applewhite half as much to win twice as many games. I'm for giving the man time to turn it around but so far he hasn't been a smart investment.

You're making it sound as if Dana is been at Houston for a few years and nothing has improved... I'll say IF poor results continue this coming season Dana will get the "or else" discussion... Dana, has three years to turn Houston's football program around and he will.

Hes only coached half a season so far... Give it some time.
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Athlon Sports college football podcast is always talking up Willie Fritz, so not surprising to see his placement here. Agree with coach Ken at #1, he’s done such an amazing job. He’s gone 7-1 in the AAC three times already.
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(06-09-2020 04:53 PM)NothingButKnight Wrote:  Athlon Sports college football podcast is always talking up Willie Fritz, so not surprising to see his placement here. Agree with coach Ken at #1, he’s done such an amazing job. He’s gone 7-1 in the AAC three times already.

What's really scary is that the one season he tanked, there were a number of close losses. It should have been a 6-7 win season.

Ken does a good job of stealing close wins in 50/50 games.
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(06-09-2020 12:11 PM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  Hes only coached half a season so far... Give it some time.

As a Bearcat fan, I am totally cool with this.

Give it some time... A LOT of time. I truly hope the Houston fans and administration are patient...very, very patient.
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(06-09-2020 09:38 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  
(06-09-2020 12:11 PM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  Hes only coached half a season so far... Give it some time.

As a Bearcat fan, I am totally cool with this.

Give it some time... A LOT of time. I truly hope the Houston fans and administration are patient...very, very patient.

We were saying the same thing about Tubbs only a few years ago. Really hoping that's not what we've locked into.
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(06-09-2020 10:30 AM)J Coog Wrote:  
(06-08-2020 05:56 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  
(06-07-2020 11:07 AM)BigHouston Wrote:  
(06-07-2020 02:19 AM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  
(06-07-2020 01:46 AM)BigHouston Wrote:  I disagree with both you two... Dana is getting house in order right now and when he's done putting pieces in place Dana is going to anchor Houston back where it belongs, dominating the AAC and back at the big stage, the NY6 Bowl.

We were paying Applewhite half as much to win twice as many games. I'm for giving the man time to turn it around but so far he hasn't been a smart investment.

You're making it sound as if Dana is been at Houston for a few years and nothing has improved... I'll say IF poor results continue this coming season Dana will get the "or else" discussion... Dana, has three years to turn Houston's football program around and he will.

I'm acting like Dana turned in the worst season we've had since Art Briles 2nd season. This coming after the administration fired a coach for going 8-4 and while he's the highest paid G5 coach in the country. We didn't get our money's worth last season and nothing short of a conference championship and a NY6 bowl appearance is going to get us back to breaking even. I agree that he should be given a minimum of three years but the same could be said for his predecessor. He was canned after two years and a 15-10 record. Dana's sitting at 4-8, you see us going 11-2 this year because I dont.

Major wasn't fired for 8-4. He was fired for 7-1 and then 1-3 against weak competition, capped off by giving up 70! points to a good, not great Army team. Systemic structural problems in the program had been exposed that had to be addressed. An average coach should have won 10 games against that schedule with the roster UH had that year.

Don't forget that Pezman was a member of the best UH team of the Run-and-Shoot era. He knows what a quality football program looks like, top to bottom.

If Holgorsen doesn't win 8+ games this year, then some scrutiny will be warranted. But the idea that the Applewhite of 7-1 would have magically reappeared last year is pure fiction.

I predicted Houston to be a bowl eligible team. With that being said, I have them over the win total when I briefly looked at the Coogs' schedule. Now that I'm taking a deeper look at their schedule, I think it'll be tough for them to make it to a bowl game now.

Can the Coogs go into Pullman and beat Washington State in week 2 of the season?
The week after, Memphis is just too much for Houston, especially at the Liberty Bowl.
Then the stretch of Tulane, BYU, Navy, UCF, and Cincinnati is tough. Followed that with SMU in Dallas, two weeks later. I know Houston is going to be "better" but I just don't know how much better...
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(06-09-2020 09:38 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  
(06-09-2020 12:11 PM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  Hes only coached half a season so far... Give it some time.

As a Bearcat fan, I am totally cool with this.

Give it some time... A LOT of time. I truly hope the Houston fans and administration are patient...very, very patient.

We were saying the same thing about Tubbs only a few years ago. Really hoping that's not what we've locked into.

Look... Until this past February, I lived in Morgantown, WV. I was there for Holgs' entire run at WVU. I have always said that I don't think the Tuberville comparison is a good one. I think the better comparison is with Dave Wanstedt... he'll win his fair share...about 8 games a season...but never the "big" games. He'll recruit well (remember Larry Fitzgerald and Shady McCoy?) but looking back you'll wonder how "That Talent" couldn't get the job done. Their teams will finish consistently 3 or 4 in the Conference, and there will always be an excuse or a regret about the "snake that bit them."

That's where I honestly see Holgs as a coach. And, like Wanny, I'm cool having him at a rival team. Tell Dana he needs a 'stache.
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(06-09-2020 09:38 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  
(06-09-2020 12:11 PM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  Hes only coached half a season so far... Give it some time.

As a Bearcat fan, I am totally cool with this.

Give it some time... A LOT of time. I truly hope the Houston fans and administration are patient...very, very patient.

We were saying the same thing about Tubbs only a few years ago. Really hoping that's not what we've locked into.

No worries. Your retread shouldn't be as bad as Cincinnati's. Maybe it will go more like USF football or Memphis basketball's retreads.
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