(06-04-2020 12:56 AM)herdfan129 Wrote:  You guys don't know how to research facts for yourself? Of course not, just listen to the liberal media.

COVID death rate is roughly .26% according to the CDC. The seasonal flu has a death rate of around 1%. That would make the seasonal flu around 4 times more deadly than COVID.

Quote:The agency offered a "current best estimate" of 0.4 percent. The agency also gave a best estimate that 35 percent of people infected never develop symptoms. Those numbers when put together would produce an infection fatality rate of 0.26, which is lower than many of the estimates produced by scientists and modelers to date."

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The seasonal flu mortality rate is about 0.1% not 1% genius. Good grief. So, who decided it was ok to merge two pieces of data that CDC itself didn't state. I swear people will come up with whatever they want to justify a point even if it is misleading at best but in reality is just blatantly false. Having worked there, I can assure you with 99.9% surety that the 0.4 percent already takes into account the 35% of those (mostly younger, healthier) who do not get sick enough to be seen. Not only that, but I bet the one thing the study didn't take into account are those that died in the first three months that were attributed to something else because no one knew it was here yet back in Dec/Jan.

So, the most likely fact here is that COVID is four times more deadly than seasonal flu not the other way around and wouldn't surprise me if it's slightly higher than that.

That said, this "fact" doesn't really matter. Bottom line is both kill. People should get their damn flu shots, wash hands, etc., and do those things whether we're talking about COVID or influenza. The biggest difference here is no one has immunity to COVID so it makes transmission easier.

Everyone likes to make these statements that are utter BS because - and I'm just guessing here - they haven't had anyone close to them die from it yet. My wife had a good friend who was just 50 years old (not 65 or 70). She was beautiful. Absolutely stunning. She looked like she was 40. She was healthy and fit with no pre-existing conditions and it killed her a couple of weeks ago. It blows my mind how cavalier some people are about other people's lives. I've lost a lot of faith in humanity over these past couple of months.

Anyway, the one thing I see a lot of folks overlooking is that it doesn't matter if 99% of college kids aren't going to be impacted much as soon as it gets into a locker room it's going to infect an entire team. Regardless of the reality of how that can impact the rest of the university population (which all may not be young healthy stud athletes) much less the rest of the community, the point is the optics of that are going to be really, really bad. And university's are going to face both a moral and a legal dilemma. This is the main point I feel like everyone is missing and why I believe that happens before soccer or football camps break and shuts it all down. Won't have to wait much longer to find out, but given places that have started reopening (mainly in the south) are already starting to see a surge in new cases again even though it 80+ outside, I fear it is unavoidable that we may not make it to the first game. Will be interesting to watch what happens with MLB given those guys spend a lot of time in a clubhouse together. Might give us a good test case of what to expect.

(06-09-2020 01:31 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(06-04-2020 12:56 AM)herdfan129 Wrote:  You guys don't know how to research facts for yourself? Of course not, just listen to the liberal media.

COVID death rate is roughly .26% according to the CDC. The seasonal flu has a death rate of around 1%. That would make the seasonal flu around 4 times more deadly than COVID.

Quote:The agency offered a "current best estimate" of 0.4 percent. The agency also gave a best estimate that 35 percent of people infected never develop symptoms. Those numbers when put together would produce an infection fatality rate of 0.26, which is lower than many of the estimates produced by scientists and modelers to date."

Link

The seasonal flu mortality rate is about 0.1% not 1% genius. Good grief. So, who decided it was ok to merge two pieces of data that CDC itself didn't state. I sweat people will come up with whatever they want to justify a point even if it is misleading at best but in reality is just blatantly false. Having worked there, I can assure you with 99.9% surety that the 0.4 percent already takes into account the 35% of those (mostly younger, healthier) who do not get sick enough to be seen. Not only that, but I bet the one thing the study didn't take into account are those that died in the first three months that were attributed to something else because no one knew it was here yet back in Dec/Jan.

So, the most likely fact here is that COVID is four times more deadly than seasonal flu not the other way around and wouldn't surprise me if it's slightly higher than that.

That said, this "fact" doesn't really matter. Bottom line is both kill. People should get their damn flu shots, wash hands, etc., and do those things whether we're talking about COVID or influenza. The biggest difference here is no one has immunity to COVID so it makes transmission easier.

Everyone likes to make these statements that are utter BS because - and I'm just guessing here - they haven't had anyone close to them die from it yet. My wife had a good friend who was just 50 years old (not 65 or 70). She was beautiful. Absolutely stunning. She looked like she was 40. She was healthy and fit with no pre-existing conditions and it killed her a couple of weeks ago. It blows my mind how cavalier some people are about other people's lives. I've lost a lot of faith in humanity over these past couple of months.

Anyway, the one thing I see a lot of folks overlooking is that it doesn't matter if 99% of college kids aren't going to be impacted much as soon as it gets into a locker room it's going to infect an entire team. Regardless of the reality of how that can impact the rest of the university population (which all may not be young healthy stud athletes) much less the rest of the community, the point is the optics of that are going to be really, really bad. And university's are going to face both a moral and a legal dilemma. This is the main point I feel like everyone is missing and why I believe that happens before soccer or football camps break and shuts it all down. Won't have to wait much longer to find out, but given places that have started reopening (mainly in the south) are already starting to see a surge in new cases again even though it 80+ outside, I fear it is unavoidable that we may not make it to the first game. Will be interesting to watch what happens with MLB given those guys spend a lot of time in a clubhouse together. Might give us a good test case of what to expect.

This is a no horse s***tin’ , well thought out, good g-d post.

Flu season in the US runs from October to May with deaths in the 20,000 to 65,000 range depending on the year.
In less than four months 113,000 have died in the United States. That’s WITH the shutdown. It’s June and covid has not magically disappeared. No one looking at the numbers can honestly claim the flu is worse.

clt worries about 6G and the problems that will arise.

(06-09-2020 01:31 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(06-04-2020 12:56 AM)herdfan129 Wrote:  You guys don't know how to research facts for yourself? Of course not, just listen to the liberal media.

COVID death rate is roughly .26% according to the CDC. The seasonal flu has a death rate of around 1%. That would make the seasonal flu around 4 times more deadly than COVID.

Quote:The agency offered a "current best estimate" of 0.4 percent. The agency also gave a best estimate that 35 percent of people infected never develop symptoms. Those numbers when put together would produce an infection fatality rate of 0.26, which is lower than many of the estimates produced by scientists and modelers to date."

Link

The seasonal flu mortality rate is about 0.1% not 1% genius. Good grief. So, who decided it was ok to merge two pieces of data that CDC itself didn't state. I swear people will come up with whatever they want to justify a point even if it is misleading at best but in reality is just blatantly false. Having worked there, I can assure you with 99.9% surety that the 0.4 percent already takes into account the 35% of those (mostly younger, healthier) who do not get sick enough to be seen. Not only that, but I bet the one thing the study didn't take into account are those that died in the first three months that were attributed to something else because no one knew it was here yet back in Dec/Jan.

So, the most likely fact here is that COVID is four times more deadly than seasonal flu not the other way around and wouldn't surprise me if it's slightly higher than that.

That said, this "fact" doesn't really matter. Bottom line is both kill. People should get their damn flu shots, wash hands, etc., and do those things whether we're talking about COVID or influenza. The biggest difference here is no one has immunity to COVID so it makes transmission easier.

Everyone likes to make these statements that are utter BS because - and I'm just guessing here - they haven't had anyone close to them die from it yet. My wife had a good friend who was just 50 years old (not 65 or 70). She was beautiful. Absolutely stunning. She looked like she was 40. She was healthy and fit with no pre-existing conditions and it killed her a couple of weeks ago. It blows my mind how cavalier some people are about other people's lives. I've lost a lot of faith in humanity over these past couple of months.

Anyway, the one thing I see a lot of folks overlooking is that it doesn't matter if 99% of college kids aren't going to be impacted much as soon as it gets into a locker room it's going to infect an entire team. Regardless of the reality of how that can impact the rest of the university population (which all may not be young healthy stud athletes) much less the rest of the community, the point is the optics of that are going to be really, really bad. And university's are going to face both a moral and a legal dilemma. This is the main point I feel like everyone is missing and why I believe that happens before soccer or football camps break and shuts it all down. Won't have to wait much longer to find out, but given places that have started reopening (mainly in the south) are already starting to see a surge in new cases again even though it 80+ outside, I fear it is unavoidable that we may not make it to the first game. Will be interesting to watch what happens with MLB given those guys spend a lot of time in a clubhouse together. Might give us a good test case of what to expect.

Welcome to the internet. It is a perfect place for fools who are too lazy to question what they are being told by somebody they have no clue who they are. OBTW, that was a great post and sorry about your friend.

Alas, it has already begun. Marshall isn't the only one...

From Auburn University to the University of Central Florida, dozens of athletes have tested positive after returning to campus in recent weeks, prompting questions about the possibility of some college sports returning when the fall semester begins.

https://cbs12.com/sports/content/these-a...c-programs

(06-10-2020 05:06 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  Alas, it has already begun. Marshall isn't the only one...

From Auburn University to the University of Central Florida, dozens of athletes have tested positive after returning to campus in recent weeks, prompting questions about the possibility of some college sports returning when the fall semester begins.

https://cbs12.com/sports/content/these-a...c-programs

i dont know why its not being pointed out that all of those athletes caught covid while being away from school. its only the testing they received by being back that is allowing them to be isolated and get proper medical care.

3BL, I don't think it's that anyone is flippant about the lives of others and condolences for your wife's friend. With that said, in a nation of 330,000,000 people you are going to otherwise fit, young for their age, people die everyday from a multitude of reasons. Most of those reasons are elective in nature and could be avoided - driving, getting in a bathtub, crossing the street, eating poorly, etc.

About 1% of the world's population dies each year on a net basis. The number for people in your friend's age bracket is .6% based on data from the last few years. Covid is not going to change those stats in any way. It's a cold way to look at it, but the vast majority of deaths related to Covid have occurred with people who would have been gone within 18 months even without the virus.

More testing means more positive results...just saying.

(06-11-2020 01:44 PM)FAU Connoisseur! Wrote:  More testing means more positive results...just saying.

That’s why you look at the death toll numbers.

clt wonders if the Covid 19 tracking device (“vaccine”) could be used to determine football attendance. That would be a big deal for this chat page

(06-11-2020 02:31 PM)UAB Schnauzer Wrote:  

(06-11-2020 01:44 PM)FAU Connoisseur! Wrote:  More testing means more positive results...just saying.

That’s why you look at the death toll numbers.

Exactly...yesterday in Florida 1700 positives; 7 deaths. Population of Florida 21.5 million.

(06-11-2020 04:39 PM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  clt wonders if the Covid 19 tracking device (“vaccine”) could be used to determine football attendance. That would be a big deal for this chat page

If we used Covid projects...everyone will sell out every game this season.

clt says the wind should blow the Covid away anyway. The earth is flat so it will not come back, just go into space

(06-11-2020 04:59 PM)FAU Connoisseur! Wrote:  

(06-11-2020 02:31 PM)UAB Schnauzer Wrote:  

(06-11-2020 01:44 PM)FAU Connoisseur! Wrote:  More testing means more positive results...just saying.

That’s why you look at the death toll numbers.

Exactly...yesterday in Florida 1700 positives; 7 deaths. Population of Florida 21.5 million.

2,848 dead from covid according to the Florida Department of Health

(06-11-2020 04:59 PM)FAU Connoisseur! Wrote:  

(06-11-2020 02:31 PM)UAB Schnauzer Wrote:  

(06-11-2020 01:44 PM)FAU Connoisseur! Wrote:  More testing means more positive results...just saying.

That’s why you look at the death toll numbers.

Exactly...yesterday in Florida 1700 positives; 7 deaths. Population of Florida 21.5 million.

The death toll for Florida on June 10 was 36 not 7

Bama is 10% of the way there...

“The first group of guys that tested positive – anyone around them had to quarantine,” the player said. “They did another test a few days later and some of those guys tested positive.”

The player said five of his teammates have tested positive for COVID-19 in the first round of testing and are currently in isolation. In the second round, three other teammates tested positive.

https://cw.ua.edu/65226/top-stories/play...ecautions/

Maybe voluntary summer workouts should be COVID parties for the players instead.