(11-03-2021 11:05 PM)AuzGrams Wrote:  What Texas schools make sense over EKU? EKU-WKU and MTSU-WKU have at least some regional rivalry to it. Stephen F. Austin? Lamar?

A major tenet when trying to create travel partners is to have as many proximal pairs as possible. Having a triad does not help with travel partners in most models of scheduling.

(11-03-2021 11:15 PM)NotANewbie Wrote:  

(11-03-2021 11:05 PM)AuzGrams Wrote:  What Texas schools make sense over EKU? EKU-WKU and MTSU-WKU have at least some regional rivalry to it. Stephen F. Austin? Lamar?

A major tenet when trying to create travel partners is to have as many proximal pairs as possible. Having a triad does not help with travel partners in most models of scheduling.

OK, but who makes sense in Texas to move up?

(11-03-2021 11:16 PM)AuzGrams Wrote:  

(11-03-2021 11:15 PM)NotANewbie Wrote:  

(11-03-2021 11:05 PM)AuzGrams Wrote:  What Texas schools make sense over EKU? EKU-WKU and MTSU-WKU have at least some regional rivalry to it. Stephen F. Austin? Lamar?

A major tenet when trying to create travel partners is to have as many proximal pairs as possible. Having a triad does not help with travel partners in most models of scheduling.

OK, but who makes sense in Texas to move up?

From a travel perspective, Lamar or possibly Stephen F. Austin. I haven't checked closely, but on the sutface, Lamar may be a bit more ready to move up. SFA would be stronger in BB and Lamar in FB.

If WKU stays would EKU her an invite?

(11-03-2021 10:23 PM)AuzGrams Wrote:  

(11-03-2021 09:43 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  Well now CUSA only needs to add 3 and at most 5 FCS schools.

No need to add more than 1 more if WKU & MTSU stay. I would add Eastern Kentucky to maintain rivalries & some geographic continuity.

I'm pretty sure they want 12 to protect against the AAC backfilling if the B12 goes to 14 or the MAC and WKU, MTSU eventually coming to an agreement in a few years. All the moves have been big. If it's possible they will do the same. If no one is ready then they're stuck at 9 for a while.

(11-03-2021 11:48 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(11-03-2021 10:23 PM)AuzGrams Wrote:  

(11-03-2021 09:43 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  Well now CUSA only needs to add 3 and at most 5 FCS schools.

No need to add more than 1 more if WKU & MTSU stay. I would add Eastern Kentucky to maintain rivalries & some geographic continuity.

I'm pretty sure they want 12 to protect against the AAC backfilling if the B12 goes to 14 or the MAC and WKU, MTSU eventually coming to an agreement in a few years. All the moves have been big. If it's possible they will do the same. If no one is ready then they're stuck at 9 for a while.

Agree that 12 feels much safer than 9

I thought a 10 team league worked well for the Sun Belt.

I see no reason for the Big 12 to go to 14. Boise State is good in football & Memphis is good in basketball, but they don’t move the needle as far as the contracts go. USF does not really earn an invite to the Big 12 unless they start winning next year.

Quite frankly 14 & 16 team conferences suck.

(11-03-2021 11:48 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(11-03-2021 10:23 PM)AuzGrams Wrote:  

(11-03-2021 09:43 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  Well now CUSA only needs to add 3 and at most 5 FCS schools.

No need to add more than 1 more if WKU & MTSU stay. I would add Eastern Kentucky to maintain rivalries & some geographic continuity.

I'm pretty sure they want 12 to protect against the AAC backfilling if the B12 goes to 14 or the MAC and WKU, MTSU eventually coming to an agreement in a few years. All the moves have been big. If it's possible they will do the same. If no one is ready then they're stuck at 9 for a while.

NMSU
UTEP
Louisiana Tech
WKU (pending they stay)
MTSU (pending they stay)
FIU
Liberty
SHSU
Jacksonville State

All they need is 1 more FCS school or UMass or UCONN - EKU, Lamar, SFA, Chattanooga, Missouri State as those candidates.

I enjoy the continuity the MAC has and would prefer they keep it that way.

(11-04-2021 12:24 AM)AuzGrams Wrote:  I thought a 10 team league worked well for the Sun Belt.

I see no reason for the Big 12 to go to 14. Boise State is good in football & Memphis is good in basketball, but they don’t move the needle as far as the contracts go. USF does not really earn an invite to the Big 12 unless they start winning next year.

Quite frankly 14 & 16 team conferences suck.

1. There maybe a clause in CUSA contract regarding the number of games available to choose from for broadcast
2. Big 12 schedule will be in flux starting in 23. They will give preferences to conference games and against other p5. CUSA should offer to fill their g5 holes, and maybe some fcs in transition. Geography between the two conference match well. More teams means more flexibility.
3. Big 12 felt disadvantaged at 10 and said as much.

14 seems popular for conferences now.

(11-04-2021 12:43 AM)Huan Wrote:  

(11-04-2021 12:24 AM)AuzGrams Wrote:  I thought a 10 team league worked well for the Sun Belt.

I see no reason for the Big 12 to go to 14. Boise State is good in football & Memphis is good in basketball, but they don’t move the needle as far as the contracts go. USF does not really earn an invite to the Big 12 unless they start winning next year.

Quite frankly 14 & 16 team conferences suck.

1. There maybe a clause in CUSA contract regarding the number of games available to choose from for broadcast
2. Big 12 schedule will be in flux starting in 23. They will give preferences to conference games and against other p5. CUSA should offer to fill their g5 holes, and maybe some fcs in transition. Geography between the two conference match well. More teams means more flexibility.
3. Big 12 felt disadvantaged at 10 and said as much.

14 seems popular for conferences now.

They felt disadvantaged because there was no conference championship game…… until there was a conference championship game. The Big 12 with a CCG didn’t feel any disadvantage until Texas & Oklahoma left lol.

Again, this idea that 14 teams is somehow good is mind boggling to me.

I am confused with this idea that adding more and more FCS improves your brand.

(11-04-2021 01:22 AM)AuzGrams Wrote:  

(11-04-2021 12:43 AM)Huan Wrote:  

(11-04-2021 12:24 AM)AuzGrams Wrote:  I thought a 10 team league worked well for the Sun Belt.

I see no reason for the Big 12 to go to 14. Boise State is good in football & Memphis is good in basketball, but they don’t move the needle as far as the contracts go. USF does not really earn an invite to the Big 12 unless they start winning next year.

Quite frankly 14 & 16 team conferences suck.

1. There maybe a clause in CUSA contract regarding the number of games available to choose from for broadcast
2. Big 12 schedule will be in flux starting in 23. They will give preferences to conference games and against other p5. CUSA should offer to fill their g5 holes, and maybe some fcs in transition. Geography between the two conference match well. More teams means more flexibility.
3. Big 12 felt disadvantaged at 10 and said as much.

14 seems popular for conferences now.

They felt disadvantaged because there was no conference championship game…… until there was a conference championship game. The Big 12 with a CCG didn’t feel any disadvantage until Texas & Oklahoma left lol.

Again, this idea that 14 teams is somehow good is mind boggling to me.

I am confused with this idea that adding more and more FCS improves your brand.

Their current brand is don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out. They need bodies and hope that some can step up and be the next CCU and App St. They are in gathering mode to protect themselves. B12 may not go to 14 but what if the B1G goes to 16 to match SEC. What if WKU and MTSU decide they won't be next up for the AAC if they lose 2 more and 15 yr gor is doable.

Like you said B12 didn't feel disadvantaged until those 2 left but even w/ the big names still there, they felt 12 and maybe 14 is safer and better. CUSA feels the most disadvantaged. You keep wishing it turns out like you want and not seeing how it's been the last few months. WAC at 13 even w/ NMSU, SHSU leaving. ASUN was at 13 but now Liberty and JSU leaving, they have to add 1 w/ football to have it as a sport. No one wants to end up like SLC, OVC, MEAC and they have 7,8,8 members.

(11-04-2021 01:35 AM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(11-04-2021 01:22 AM)AuzGrams Wrote:  

(11-04-2021 12:43 AM)Huan Wrote:  

(11-04-2021 12:24 AM)AuzGrams Wrote:  I thought a 10 team league worked well for the Sun Belt.

I see no reason for the Big 12 to go to 14. Boise State is good in football & Memphis is good in basketball, but they don’t move the needle as far as the contracts go. USF does not really earn an invite to the Big 12 unless they start winning next year.

Quite frankly 14 & 16 team conferences suck.

1. There maybe a clause in CUSA contract regarding the number of games available to choose from for broadcast
2. Big 12 schedule will be in flux starting in 23. They will give preferences to conference games and against other p5. CUSA should offer to fill their g5 holes, and maybe some fcs in transition. Geography between the two conference match well. More teams means more flexibility.
3. Big 12 felt disadvantaged at 10 and said as much.

14 seems popular for conferences now.

They felt disadvantaged because there was no conference championship game…… until there was a conference championship game. The Big 12 with a CCG didn’t feel any disadvantage until Texas & Oklahoma left lol.

Again, this idea that 14 teams is somehow good is mind boggling to me.

I am confused with this idea that adding more and more FCS improves your brand.

Their current brand is don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out. They need bodies and hope that some can step up and be the next CCU and App St. They are in gathering mode to protect themselves. B12 may not go to 14 but what if the B1G goes to 16 to match SEC. What if WKU and MTSU decide they won't be next up for the AAC if they lose 2 more and 15 yr gor is doable.

Like you said B12 didn't feel disadvantaged until those 2 left but even w/ the big names still there, they felt 12 and maybe 14 is safer and better. CUSA feels the most disadvantaged. You keep wishing it turns out like you want and not seeing how it's been the last few months. WAC at 13 even w/ NMSU, SHSU leaving. ASUN was at 13 but now Liberty and JSU leaving, they have to add 1 w/ football to have it as a sport. No one wants to end up like SLC, OVC, MEAC and they have 7,8,8 members.

Who fits the B1G’s image besides Kansas basketball? I guess they could go after a Texas school, but all this seems redundant.

Cinci, BYU, UCF, Houston are not “warm bodies”. All 4 have had lots of success as of the past 5-10 years. Cmon now.

I’m not wishing anything. I’m failing to see what the logic is in college sports besides ESPN greed?

(11-04-2021 01:58 AM)AuzGrams Wrote:  

(11-04-2021 01:35 AM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(11-04-2021 01:22 AM)AuzGrams Wrote:  

(11-04-2021 12:43 AM)Huan Wrote:  

(11-04-2021 12:24 AM)AuzGrams Wrote:  I thought a 10 team league worked well for the Sun Belt.

I see no reason for the Big 12 to go to 14. Boise State is good in football & Memphis is good in basketball, but they don’t move the needle as far as the contracts go. USF does not really earn an invite to the Big 12 unless they start winning next year.

Quite frankly 14 & 16 team conferences suck.

1. There maybe a clause in CUSA contract regarding the number of games available to choose from for broadcast
2. Big 12 schedule will be in flux starting in 23. They will give preferences to conference games and against other p5. CUSA should offer to fill their g5 holes, and maybe some fcs in transition. Geography between the two conference match well. More teams means more flexibility.
3. Big 12 felt disadvantaged at 10 and said as much.

14 seems popular for conferences now.

They felt disadvantaged because there was no conference championship game…… until there was a conference championship game. The Big 12 with a CCG didn’t feel any disadvantage until Texas & Oklahoma left lol.

Again, this idea that 14 teams is somehow good is mind boggling to me.

I am confused with this idea that adding more and more FCS improves your brand.

Their current brand is don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out. They need bodies and hope that some can step up and be the next CCU and App St. They are in gathering mode to protect themselves. B12 may not go to 14 but what if the B1G goes to 16 to match SEC. What if WKU and MTSU decide they won't be next up for the AAC if they lose 2 more and 15 yr gor is doable.

Like you said B12 didn't feel disadvantaged until those 2 left but even w/ the big names still there, they felt 12 and maybe 14 is safer and better. CUSA feels the most disadvantaged. You keep wishing it turns out like you want and not seeing how it's been the last few months. WAC at 13 even w/ NMSU, SHSU leaving. ASUN was at 13 but now Liberty and JSU leaving, they have to add 1 w/ football to have it as a sport. No one wants to end up like SLC, OVC, MEAC and they have 7,8,8 members.

Who fits the B1G’s image besides Kansas basketball? I guess they could go after a Texas school, but all this seems redundant.

UVa and UNC closer to when their gor is up, we'll see what happens, if it's worth it, but that doesn't even matter because every conference wants to be bigger now for protection. Like you said maybe ACC, WVU, Cincy,

(11-04-2021 02:01 AM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(11-04-2021 01:58 AM)AuzGrams Wrote:  

(11-04-2021 01:35 AM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(11-04-2021 01:22 AM)AuzGrams Wrote:  

(11-04-2021 12:43 AM)Huan Wrote:  1. There maybe a clause in CUSA contract regarding the number of games available to choose from for broadcast
2. Big 12 schedule will be in flux starting in 23. They will give preferences to conference games and against other p5. CUSA should offer to fill their g5 holes, and maybe some fcs in transition. Geography between the two conference match well. More teams means more flexibility.
3. Big 12 felt disadvantaged at 10 and said as much.

14 seems popular for conferences now.

They felt disadvantaged because there was no conference championship game…… until there was a conference championship game. The Big 12 with a CCG didn’t feel any disadvantage until Texas & Oklahoma left lol.

Again, this idea that 14 teams is somehow good is mind boggling to me.

I am confused with this idea that adding more and more FCS improves your brand.

Their current brand is don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out. They need bodies and hope that some can step up and be the next CCU and App St. They are in gathering mode to protect themselves. B12 may not go to 14 but what if the B1G goes to 16 to match SEC. What if WKU and MTSU decide they won't be next up for the AAC if they lose 2 more and 15 yr gor is doable.

Like you said B12 didn't feel disadvantaged until those 2 left but even w/ the big names still there, they felt 12 and maybe 14 is safer and better. CUSA feels the most disadvantaged. You keep wishing it turns out like you want and not seeing how it's been the last few months. WAC at 13 even w/ NMSU, SHSU leaving. ASUN was at 13 but now Liberty and JSU leaving, they have to add 1 w/ football to have it as a sport. No one wants to end up like SLC, OVC, MEAC and they have 7,8,8 members.

Who fits the B1G’s image besides Kansas basketball? I guess they could go after a Texas school, but all this seems redundant.

UVa and UNC but that doesn't even matter because every conference wants to be bigger now for protection.

Don’t fully agree with you on that. Every conference wants a blue blood and/or high performing and loyal fan base.

The B1G invited Rutgers and Maryland for media markets to go along with blue blood Nebraska, but they also knew that they would lose to the blue bloods.

There has to be a few schools in the SEC that will be discontent with losing.

(11-04-2021 02:03 AM)AuzGrams Wrote:  

(11-04-2021 02:01 AM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(11-04-2021 01:58 AM)AuzGrams Wrote:  

(11-04-2021 01:35 AM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(11-04-2021 01:22 AM)AuzGrams Wrote:  They felt disadvantaged because there was no conference championship game…… until there was a conference championship game. The Big 12 with a CCG didn’t feel any disadvantage until Texas & Oklahoma left lol.

Again, this idea that 14 teams is somehow good is mind boggling to me.

I am confused with this idea that adding more and more FCS improves your brand.

Their current brand is don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out. They need bodies and hope that some can step up and be the next CCU and App St. They are in gathering mode to protect themselves. B12 may not go to 14 but what if the B1G goes to 16 to match SEC. What if WKU and MTSU decide they won't be next up for the AAC if they lose 2 more and 15 yr gor is doable.

Like you said B12 didn't feel disadvantaged until those 2 left but even w/ the big names still there, they felt 12 and maybe 14 is safer and better. CUSA feels the most disadvantaged. You keep wishing it turns out like you want and not seeing how it's been the last few months. WAC at 13 even w/ NMSU, SHSU leaving. ASUN was at 13 but now Liberty and JSU leaving, they have to add 1 w/ football to have it as a sport. No one wants to end up like SLC, OVC, MEAC and they have 7,8,8 members.

Who fits the B1G’s image besides Kansas basketball? I guess they could go after a Texas school, but all this seems redundant.

UVa and UNC but that doesn't even matter because every conference wants to be bigger now for protection.

Don’t fully agree with you on that. Every conference wants a blue blood and/or high performing and loyal fan base.

The B1G invited Rutgers and Maryland for media markets to go along with blue blood Nebraska, but they also knew that they would lose to the blue bloods.

There has to be a few schools in the SEC that will be discontent with losing.

Like you said too w/ the greed, that's what it is w/ the top 5 conferences. ESPN helping out w/ that. When they got rid of the CFA, ND got their NBC contract. Penn St. went to the B1G and the SEC expanded followed by the 4 SWC merging w/ the B8. There went all of the 8-10 team conferences and they slowly kept getting bigger.

(11-04-2021 02:11 AM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(11-04-2021 02:03 AM)AuzGrams Wrote:  

(11-04-2021 02:01 AM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(11-04-2021 01:58 AM)AuzGrams Wrote:  

(11-04-2021 01:35 AM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  Their current brand is don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out. They need bodies and hope that some can step up and be the next CCU and App St. They are in gathering mode to protect themselves. B12 may not go to 14 but what if the B1G goes to 16 to match SEC. What if WKU and MTSU decide they won't be next up for the AAC if they lose 2 more and 15 yr gor is doable.

Like you said B12 didn't feel disadvantaged until those 2 left but even w/ the big names still there, they felt 12 and maybe 14 is safer and better. CUSA feels the most disadvantaged. You keep wishing it turns out like you want and not seeing how it's been the last few months. WAC at 13 even w/ NMSU, SHSU leaving. ASUN was at 13 but now Liberty and JSU leaving, they have to add 1 w/ football to have it as a sport. No one wants to end up like SLC, OVC, MEAC and they have 7,8,8 members.

Who fits the B1G’s image besides Kansas basketball? I guess they could go after a Texas school, but all this seems redundant.

UVa and UNC but that doesn't even matter because every conference wants to be bigger now for protection.

Don’t fully agree with you on that. Every conference wants a blue blood and/or high performing and loyal fan base.

The B1G invited Rutgers and Maryland for media markets to go along with blue blood Nebraska, but they also knew that they would lose to the blue bloods.

There has to be a few schools in the SEC that will be discontent with losing.

Like you said too w/ the greed, that's what it is w/ the top 5 conferences. ESPN helping out w/ that. When they got rid of the CFA, ND got their NBC contract. Penn St. went to the B1G and the SEC expanded followed by the 4 SWC merging w/ the B8. There went all of the 8-10 team conferences and they slowly kept getting bigger.

I understand what you’re saying that 12-14 conferences and a minimum of 10 in C-USA’s case. But I think a 16 team SEC is over the top and some of them need to be content with losing in the name of money.

(11-04-2021 02:16 AM)AuzGrams Wrote:  

(11-04-2021 02:11 AM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(11-04-2021 02:03 AM)AuzGrams Wrote:  

(11-04-2021 02:01 AM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(11-04-2021 01:58 AM)AuzGrams Wrote:  Who fits the B1G’s image besides Kansas basketball? I guess they could go after a Texas school, but all this seems redundant.

UVa and UNC but that doesn't even matter because every conference wants to be bigger now for protection.

Don’t fully agree with you on that. Every conference wants a blue blood and/or high performing and loyal fan base.

The B1G invited Rutgers and Maryland for media markets to go along with blue blood Nebraska, but they also knew that they would lose to the blue bloods.

There has to be a few schools in the SEC that will be discontent with losing.

Like you said too w/ the greed, that's what it is w/ the top 5 conferences. ESPN helping out w/ that. When they got rid of the CFA, ND got their NBC contract. Penn St. went to the B1G and the SEC expanded followed by the 4 SWC merging w/ the B8. There went all of the 8-10 team conferences and they slowly kept getting bigger.

I understand what you’re saying that 12-14 conferences and a minimum of 10 in C-USA’s case. But I think a 16 team SEC is over the top and some of them need to be content with losing in the name of money.

It will work for them because they are the SEC, but yeah I hated the WAC 16 when I was in college. The worst part was the pods. I think it would have been okay with E/W we would have kept almost all of our WAC rivals in our div. but playing Tulsa, Rice, TCU, SMU or whatever 4 were in that 1 pod as our div. especially w/ we had to do home and homes w/ them in basketball, sucked.

(11-04-2021 02:28 AM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(11-04-2021 02:16 AM)AuzGrams Wrote:  

(11-04-2021 02:11 AM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(11-04-2021 02:03 AM)AuzGrams Wrote:  

(11-04-2021 02:01 AM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  UVa and UNC but that doesn't even matter because every conference wants to be bigger now for protection.

Don’t fully agree with you on that. Every conference wants a blue blood and/or high performing and loyal fan base.

The B1G invited Rutgers and Maryland for media markets to go along with blue blood Nebraska, but they also knew that they would lose to the blue bloods.

There has to be a few schools in the SEC that will be discontent with losing.

Like you said too w/ the greed, that's what it is w/ the top 5 conferences. ESPN helping out w/ that. When they got rid of the CFA, ND got their NBC contract. Penn St. went to the B1G and the SEC expanded followed by the 4 SWC merging w/ the B8. There went all of the 8-10 team conferences and they slowly kept getting bigger.

I understand what you’re saying that 12-14 conferences and a minimum of 10 in C-USA’s case. But I think a 16 team SEC is over the top and some of them need to be content with losing in the name of money.

I will work for them because they are the SEC, but yeah I hated the WAC 16 when I was in college. The worst part was the pods. I think it would have been okay with E/W we would have kept almost all of our WAC rivals in our div. but playing Tulsa, Rice, TCU, SMU or whatever 4 were in that 1 pod as our div. especially w/ we had to do home and homes w/ them in basketball, sucked.

I need to go back and look at the old WAC.

West
Texas
Oklahoma
Texas A&M
Arkansas
Missouri
LSU
Ole Miss
Mississippi State
East
Auburn
Alabama
Florida
Georgia
Tennessee
Vanderbilt
Kentucky
South Carolina

So the geography isn’t terrible, but you know what’s terrible, is all of a sudden you basically have 2 different conferences under the “SEC” and “ESPN” umbrella.

Is the SEC going to go to 9 games and give up an extra home game. Do some of these teams want to give up a body bag game for the sake of conference play?

16 team leagues seem redundant unless you have 9 or 10 conference games. The SEC must be really pushing for a 12 team playoff lol.

Maybe they can do what the ACC does and schedule a few conference games that don’t actually count as conference games???

For CUSA 10 should be minimum. 12 would be ok. I wouldn’t be shocked to see them at 14, especially if wku and mtsu stay, and or #13&14 are football only.