(05-26-2020 08:27 PM)Usajags Wrote:  How long before a school at any level, announces a complete suspension of all athletics.

Other than Chicago State, which honestly should have given up the ghost on intercollegiate athletics a long time ago, I don't see any D1 schools doing so in the near future. Certainly not any FBS or almost any FCS schools. Maybe Presbyterian in the Big South?

(05-26-2020 08:38 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(05-26-2020 08:27 PM)Usajags Wrote:  How long before a school at any level, announces a complete suspension of all athletics.

Other than Chicago State, which honestly should have given up the ghost on intercollegiate athletics a long time ago, I don't see any D1 schools doing so in the near future. Certainly not any FBS or almost any FCS schools. Maybe Presbyterian in the Big South?

I said ANY LEVEL, meaning DI, II, III or NAIA. So private schools could be hit real hard by this and may not recover, could even see some school stop existing all together.

(05-26-2020 04:49 PM)ImfromClayton Wrote:  honest question app fans. I take no joy in this. I'm a baseball guy, and I know how bad this has been around the league, but I did have a genuine question.

What was the rationale for the sports cut? I just felt like App track and App soccer were both trending in a positive way. I know y'all have a fantastic wrestling program. On the contrary, baseball at app has always puzzled me. Even with the proposed changes coming to D1 baseball, It's so expensive to have a baseball team, and honestly the weather in boone isn't exactly conducive to baseball until mid april. Aside from that, baseball is absolutely the most expensive non revenue sport for everybody. I was just curious. I've been to app baseball games and the last time I was there y'all didn't charge tickets.

Don't get me wrong, the more baseball scholarships available in D1 the better, but that has always puzzled me. figured I'd ask.

Baseball is not actually our most expensive non-revenue sport (we do charge for entrance now and have for a number of years). Despite the hurdles our location presents for baseball we are committed to it, and we are heading in the right direction under the current staff. The league is committed to being a quality baseball conference, and we plan on being in the mix for conference titles again.

Fun fact: App has more NCAA Tournament appearances including a more recent appearance than UNCC.

(05-26-2020 04:49 PM)ImfromClayton Wrote:  honest question app fans. I take no joy in this. I'm a baseball guy, and I know how bad this has been around the league, but I did have a genuine question.

What was the rationale for the sports cut? I just felt like App track and App soccer were both trending in a positive way. I know y'all have a fantastic wrestling program. On the contrary, baseball at app has always puzzled me. Even with the proposed changes coming to D1 baseball, It's so expensive to have a baseball team, and honestly the weather in boone isn't exactly conducive to baseball until mid april. Aside from that, baseball is absolutely the most expensive non revenue sport for everybody. I was just curious. I've been to app baseball games and the last time I was there y'all didn't charge tickets.

Don't get me wrong, the more baseball scholarships available in D1 the better, but that has always puzzled me. figured I'd ask.

I agree with all your points. I think men’s soccer in Boone has a better chance of being successful. We normally don’t have a home series until the middle of the season in baseball due to weather. Meanwhile soccer is played as a winter sport across most of Europe.

Baseball has had some success a few years back, and the new stadium is nice, but it’s still perplexing.

Of course Doug Gillin has proven To be adroit at navigating every other aspect of AD leadership, so I guess he’s earned the benefit of the doubt here.

(05-26-2020 08:27 PM)Usajags Wrote:  How long before a school at any level, announces a complete suspension of all athletics.

It kind of depends on the viewpoint you take; there has already been two in D2. Notre Dame de Namur (Belmont, CA; Pacific West) is technically still open but it doesn't look to be for long. Urbana (Urbana, OH; Mountain East) is closed and was a physical branch campus owned by online college Franklin University.

It's easy to say that they are closed or closing so obviously all sports were dropped but NDNU has yet to officially close and Urbana's parent institution is open. NDNU has been suffering from a declining enrollment for quite some time that contributed to falling revenues. Urbana has been on life support since Franklin University bought it in 2014.

Just a sad day for the Appalachian family. I didn't see this coming because, unlike other schools who have dropped sports, App didn't seem to have the same pre-COVID financial difficulties. I guess I was wrong.

(05-26-2020 10:11 PM)AZcats Wrote:  

(05-26-2020 08:27 PM)Usajags Wrote:  How long before a school at any level, announces a complete suspension of all athletics.

It kind of depends on the viewpoint you take; there has already been two in D2. Notre Dame de Namur (Belmont, CA; Pacific West) is technically still open but it doesn't look to be for long. Urbana (Urbana, OH; Mountain East) is closed and was a physical branch campus owned by online college Franklin University.

It's easy to say that they are closed or closing so obviously all sports were dropped but NDNU has yet to officially close and Urbana's parent institution is open. NDNU has been suffering from a declining enrollment for quite some time that contributed to falling revenues. Urbana has been on life support since Franklin University bought it in 2014.

Notre Dame de Namur will likely shudder in two years. They’ve dropped all sports.

Eastern Gateway CC in Ohio launched intercollegiate athletics recently and started baseball. They were adding men’s wrestling and women’s volleyball this coming season. They dropped intercollegiate athletics to club status.

Five schools have closed, with Notre Dame de Namur and D3 Pine Manor on a stay of execution. Urbana and D3 MacMurray are done as is NAIA Holy Family in Wisconsin and tiny Nebraska Christian, one of those USCAA/NCCAA nomads.

(05-27-2020 12:26 AM)ODUwildman Wrote:  

(05-26-2020 10:11 PM)AZcats Wrote:  

(05-26-2020 08:27 PM)Usajags Wrote:  How long before a school at any level, announces a complete suspension of all athletics.

It kind of depends on the viewpoint you take; there has already been two in D2. Notre Dame de Namur (Belmont, CA; Pacific West) is technically still open but it doesn't look to be for long. Urbana (Urbana, OH; Mountain East) is closed and was a physical branch campus owned by online college Franklin University.

It's easy to say that they are closed or closing so obviously all sports were dropped but NDNU has yet to officially close and Urbana's parent institution is open. NDNU has been suffering from a declining enrollment for quite some time that contributed to falling revenues. Urbana has been on life support since Franklin University bought it in 2014.

Notre Dame de Namur will likely shudder in two years. They’ve dropped all sports.

Eastern Gateway CC in Ohio launched intercollegiate athletics recently and started baseball. They were adding men’s wrestling and women’s volleyball this coming season. They dropped intercollegiate athletics to club status.

Five schools have closed, with Notre Dame de Namur and D3 Pine Manor on a stay of execution. Urbana and D3 MacMurray are done as is NAIA Holy Family in Wisconsin and tiny Nebraska Christian, one of those USCAA/NCCAA nomads.

Where does Bethune Cookman stand? They were in the hot seat with their accreditation agency and were in serious financial trouble before things started shutting down in March.

(05-26-2020 09:15 PM)JTApps1 Wrote:  

(05-26-2020 04:49 PM)ImfromClayton Wrote:  honest question app fans. I take no joy in this. I'm a baseball guy, and I know how bad this has been around the league, but I did have a genuine question.

What was the rationale for the sports cut? I just felt like App track and App soccer were both trending in a positive way. I know y'all have a fantastic wrestling program. On the contrary, baseball at app has always puzzled me. Even with the proposed changes coming to D1 baseball, It's so expensive to have a baseball team, and honestly the weather in boone isn't exactly conducive to baseball until mid april. Aside from that, baseball is absolutely the most expensive non revenue sport for everybody. I was just curious. I've been to app baseball games and the last time I was there y'all didn't charge tickets.

Don't get me wrong, the more baseball scholarships available in D1 the better, but that has always puzzled me. figured I'd ask.

Baseball is not actually our most expensive non-revenue sport (we do charge for entrance now and have for a number of years). Despite the hurdles our location presents for baseball we are committed to it, and we are heading in the right direction under the current staff. The league is committed to being a quality baseball conference, and we plan on being in the mix for conference titles again.

Fun fact: App has more NCAA Tournament appearances including a more recent appearance than UNCC.

I'm well aware. Wasn't talking junk, just asking an honest question. Like I said, haven't been to the baseball facility up there since the field was grass. I know y'all have a beautiful facility, and have made several solid hires in the last few years. That said, I am also aware of the natural challenges of playing baseball in late winter and early spring in Boone, nc.

(05-26-2020 04:49 PM)ImfromClayton Wrote:  honest question app fans. I take no joy in this. I'm a baseball guy, and I know how bad this has been around the league, but I did have a genuine question.

What was the rationale for the sports cut? I just felt like App track and App soccer were both trending in a positive way. I know y'all have a fantastic wrestling program. On the contrary, baseball at app has always puzzled me. Even with the proposed changes coming to D1 baseball, It's so expensive to have a baseball team, and honestly the weather in boone isn't exactly conducive to baseball until mid april. Aside from that, baseball is absolutely the most expensive non revenue sport for everybody. I was just curious. I've been to app baseball games and the last time I was there y'all didn't charge tickets.

Don't get me wrong, the more baseball scholarships available in D1 the better, but that has always puzzled me. figured I'd ask.

The Sun Belt and App is committed to baseball and we just upgraded the turf and we don’t have an on campus facility for soccer. Our soccer affiliation is a jumbled up mess so it wasn’t a difficult decision if you’re just solely choosing between it and Soccer.

(05-26-2020 11:01 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  Just a sad day for the Appalachian family. I didn't see this coming because, unlike other schools who have dropped sports, App didn't seem to have the same pre-COVID financial difficulties. I guess I was wrong.

I'm thinking the bigger issue is they have to go ahead and finish the west campus renovation and the field house rebuild, im also sure they are still paying out on the old watauga high school deal, its likely we were spending a little bit based on future revenue which should not have changed pre pandemic, Ive got a feeling if we weren't expanding facilities this year they could of shook one year without fans without dropping any teams

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(05-27-2020 08:59 AM)Check Yosef Wrote:  

(05-26-2020 11:01 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  Just a sad day for the Appalachian family. I didn't see this coming because, unlike other schools who have dropped sports, App didn't seem to have the same pre-COVID financial difficulties. I guess I was wrong.

I'm thinking the bigger issue is they have to go ahead and finish the west campus renovation and the field house rebuild, im also sure they are still paying out on the old watauga high school deal, its likely we were spending a little bit based on future revenue which should not have changed pre pandemic, Ive got a feeling if we weren't expanding facilities this year they could of shook one year without fans without dropping any teams

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it's a shame that we bailed out the town on the Watauga High property. Should have been swapped when we did the land deal for the hospital.

(05-26-2020 08:42 PM)Usajags Wrote:  

(05-26-2020 08:38 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(05-26-2020 08:27 PM)Usajags Wrote:  How long before a school at any level, announces a complete suspension of all athletics.

Other than Chicago State, which honestly should have given up the ghost on intercollegiate athletics a long time ago, I don't see any D1 schools doing so in the near future. Certainly not any FBS or almost any FCS schools. Maybe Presbyterian in the Big South?

I said ANY LEVEL, meaning DI, II, III or NAIA. So private schools could be hit real hard by this and may not recover, could even see some school stop existing all together.

I mean, there's already been lower-level schools that have flat out announced their closures in the past few months, so those would count. I'm just saying that at least at the highest level, outside Chicago State, it's not a threat there yet.

(05-26-2020 06:31 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  I immediately expressed my disappointment when I found out Men's soccer was cut. Track too.

Beside myself upset.

Those programs aren't forever dead. But it'll take a new situation to get them back

Is it just indoor track or both?

Both men's soccer and men's tennis had a fair amount of international students. I suspect this may be an issue going forward. I don't understand the savings and how eliminating men's indoor track and field help. Can anyone provide insight?

(05-27-2020 11:37 AM)HighlandsApp Wrote:  Both men's soccer and men's tennis had a fair amount of international students. I suspect this may be an issue going forward. I don't understand the savings and how eliminating men's indoor track and field help. Can anyone provide insight?

According to Equity in Athletics, App State will save about $300,000 from cutting those 3 sports. Not a substantial amount, but 300k is 300k. Most likely, the UNC System is projecting budget shortfalls across the board and university presidents are tightening belts to help balance the budget, and every department will see cuts, including the athletic department. You can see that with both ECU and App State who both sponsored more sports than were necessary to remain an FBS program. Y'all had to trim the fat so to speak and those three non-revenue sports are part of that extra fat y'all don't really need. A lot of us only sponsor the minimum number of sports to be FBS and we'll have to look elsewhere to make cuts.

(05-26-2020 02:49 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  

(05-26-2020 02:45 PM)stAteNation Wrote:  

(05-26-2020 02:44 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  So...what's going to become of men's soccer in the belt?

Dump it.

Where are Southern, State, and Coastal supposed to play men's soccer?

CUSA. Kentucky and South Carolina play men’s soccer in CUSA

(05-27-2020 01:06 PM)UAB Schnauzer Wrote:  

(05-26-2020 02:49 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  

(05-26-2020 02:45 PM)stAteNation Wrote:  

(05-26-2020 02:44 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  So...what's going to become of men's soccer in the belt?

Dump it.

Where are Southern, State, and Coastal supposed to play men's soccer?

CUSA. Kentucky and South Carolina play men’s soccer in CUSA

Coastal and USC in the same conference for any sport would be a good thing. That’s at least one home game you should be able to promote and sell tickets to. Need to make that move on over to CUSA for soccer.

(05-27-2020 12:02 PM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  

(05-27-2020 11:37 AM)HighlandsApp Wrote:  Both men's soccer and men's tennis had a fair amount of international students. I suspect this may be an issue going forward. I don't understand the savings and how eliminating men's indoor track and field help. Can anyone provide insight?

According to Equity in Athletics, App State will save about $300,000 from cutting those 3 sports. Not a substantial amount, but 300k is 300k. Most likely, the UNC System is projecting budget shortfalls across the board and university presidents are tightening belts to help balance the budget, and every department will see cuts, including the athletic department. You can see that with both ECU and App State who both sponsored more sports than were necessary to remain an FBS program. Y'all had to trim the fat so to speak and those three non-revenue sports are part of that extra fat y'all don't really need. A lot of us only sponsor the minimum number of sports to be FBS and we'll have to look elsewhere to make cuts.

I wonder if that was $300K in scholarship money. I wonder if they factored in travel, recruiting, salaries, officials, equipment/uniforms, and anything I didn’t think of from the top of my head. Maybe they did, who knows.

No reason to be over the minimum. Outside of football and mens basketball it is rare for any college sport to turn a profit. Unfortunately, title IX has destroyed as many sports opportunities as it has created. That is a whole other debate.

I have no idea why there is a 16 sport min? GS mens and womens tennis teams have a total of three GA players and one other player from the US. Why in the hell does GS have tennis? To provide opportunity for other countries? No reason at all to have full scholarships for non revenue sports. The attendance and support are basically non existent, it is just athletic socialism. It anything or anyone's life really going to be significantly impacted by not having a diving team? The vast majority of these athletes would have went to college regardless of a scholarship.