(06-21-2020 05:38 PM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  

(06-21-2020 11:41 AM)CrownRoyal Wrote:  

(06-19-2020 08:01 PM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  clt doesn’t advise building a campus adjacent to an interstate. Seems like it would be loud.

29,49 and 24 ain't exactly low volume scenic country roads either, just for the record.

clt doesn’t expect an eCu fan to know what an interstate is, but an urban street with light rail running in the median is a bit different, pal.

Never said those highways were interstates. Your statement said "Seems like it would be loud." 29, 49 and 24 generate more than enough noise to qualify as loud. I wouldn't expect you, as a uncc fan to acknowledge that fact, pal.

(06-21-2020 09:38 PM)CrownRoyal Wrote:  

(06-21-2020 05:38 PM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  

(06-21-2020 11:41 AM)CrownRoyal Wrote:  

(06-19-2020 08:01 PM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  clt doesn’t advise building a campus adjacent to an interstate. Seems like it would be loud.

29,49 and 24 ain't exactly low volume scenic country roads either, just for the record.

clt doesn’t expect an eCu fan to know what an interstate is, but an urban street with light rail running in the median is a bit different, pal.

Never said those highways were interstates. Your statement said "Seems like it would be loud." 29, 49 and 24 generate more than enough noise to qualify as loud. I wouldn't expect you, as a uncc fan to acknowledge that fact, pal.

clt says no one calls Harris Blvd 24, buddy.

(06-21-2020 05:38 PM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  

(06-21-2020 11:41 AM)CrownRoyal Wrote:  

(06-19-2020 08:01 PM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  clt doesn’t advise building a campus adjacent to an interstate. Seems like it would be loud.

29,49 and 24 ain't exactly low volume scenic country roads either, just for the record.

clt doesn’t expect an eCu fan to know what an interstate is, but an urban street with light rail running in the median is a bit different, pal.

You comment surprised me, so I looked on the Google machine--40 miles from ECU to an interstate. How do they get those pigs to market?

(06-21-2020 08:45 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  I just found out that part of UNT's current athletic center project will be expanding our strength and conditioning center from its current 7,000 sf to over 23,000 sf. After looking at the plans, it appears part of the weight room will overlook the field from Apogee's south end zone.

Great idea!!

(06-22-2020 01:07 PM)Almadenmike Wrote:  

(06-21-2020 08:45 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  I just found out that part of UNT's current athletic center project will be expanding our strength and conditioning center from its current 7,000 sf to over 23,000 sf. After looking at the plans, it appears part of the weight room will overlook the field from Apogee's south end zone.

Great idea!!

The Patterson Sports Performance Center may house the best strength and conditioning facility in C-USA, and it looks amazing in the north end zone of Rice Stadium. I look forward to having a similar facility at North Texas.

(06-22-2020 09:16 AM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  

(06-21-2020 09:38 PM)CrownRoyal Wrote:  

(06-21-2020 05:38 PM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  

(06-21-2020 11:41 AM)CrownRoyal Wrote:  

(06-19-2020 08:01 PM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  clt doesn’t advise building a campus adjacent to an interstate. Seems like it would be loud.

29,49 and 24 ain't exactly low volume scenic country roads either, just for the record.

clt doesn’t expect an eCu fan to know what an interstate is, but an urban street with light rail running in the median is a bit different, pal.

Never said those highways were interstates. Your statement said "Seems like it would be loud." 29, 49 and 24 generate more than enough noise to qualify as loud. I wouldn't expect you, as a uncc fan to acknowledge that fact, pal.

clt says no one calls Harris Blvd 24, buddy.

#KeiferSutherland does

(06-25-2020 06:49 AM)owl at the moon Wrote:  

(06-22-2020 09:16 AM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  

(06-21-2020 09:38 PM)CrownRoyal Wrote:  

(06-21-2020 05:38 PM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  

(06-21-2020 11:41 AM)CrownRoyal Wrote:  29,49 and 24 ain't exactly low volume scenic country roads either, just for the record.

clt doesn’t expect an eCu fan to know what an interstate is, but an urban street with light rail running in the median is a bit different, pal.

Never said those highways were interstates. Your statement said "Seems like it would be loud." 29, 49 and 24 generate more than enough noise to qualify as loud. I wouldn't expect you, as a uncc fan to acknowledge that fact, pal.

clt says no one calls Harris Blvd 24, buddy.

#KeiferSutherland does

clt didn’t watch that show, was it good?

(06-25-2020 07:25 AM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  

(06-25-2020 06:49 AM)owl at the moon Wrote:  

(06-22-2020 09:16 AM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  

(06-21-2020 09:38 PM)CrownRoyal Wrote:  

(06-21-2020 05:38 PM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  clt doesn’t expect an eCu fan to know what an interstate is, but an urban street with light rail running in the median is a bit different, pal.

Never said those highways were interstates. Your statement said "Seems like it would be loud." 29, 49 and 24 generate more than enough noise to qualify as loud. I wouldn't expect you, as a uncc fan to acknowledge that fact, pal.

clt says no one calls Harris Blvd 24, buddy.

#KeiferSutherland does

clt didn’t watch that show, was it good?

It was good, but it took forever to watch like 24 hours.

(06-25-2020 11:37 AM)FAU Connoisseur! Wrote:  

(06-25-2020 07:25 AM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  

(06-25-2020 06:49 AM)owl at the moon Wrote:  

(06-22-2020 09:16 AM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  

(06-21-2020 09:38 PM)CrownRoyal Wrote:  Never said those highways were interstates. Your statement said "Seems like it would be loud." 29, 49 and 24 generate more than enough noise to qualify as loud. I wouldn't expect you, as a uncc fan to acknowledge that fact, pal.

clt says no one calls Harris Blvd 24, buddy.

#KeiferSutherland does

clt didn’t watch that show, was it good?

It was good, but it took forever to watch like 24 hours.

clt says they should have broken the show into hour long segments, or 48 1/2 hour segments.

(06-25-2020 01:18 PM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  

(06-25-2020 11:37 AM)FAU Connoisseur! Wrote:  

(06-25-2020 07:25 AM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  

(06-25-2020 06:49 AM)owl at the moon Wrote:  

(06-22-2020 09:16 AM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  clt says no one calls Harris Blvd 24, buddy.

#KeiferSutherland does

clt didn’t watch that show, was it good?

It was good, but it took forever to watch like 24 hours.

clt says they should have broken the show into hour long segments, or 48 1/2 hour segments.

TV world needs people like you in charge. I don't know what you do for a living but your mind is being wasted.

(06-26-2020 12:03 PM)FAU Connoisseur! Wrote:  

(06-25-2020 01:18 PM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  

(06-25-2020 11:37 AM)FAU Connoisseur! Wrote:  

(06-25-2020 07:25 AM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  

(06-25-2020 06:49 AM)owl at the moon Wrote:  #KeiferSutherland does

clt didn’t watch that show, was it good?

It was good, but it took forever to watch like 24 hours.

clt says they should have broken the show into hour long segments, or 48 1/2 hour segments.

TV world needs people like you in charge. I don't know what you do for a living but your mind is being wasted.

clt is independently wealthy.

I read yesterday that North Texas has finished working with architects on the programing needs and basic design for the athletic center expansion. With the uncertainty created by the current pandemic, UNT has not announced a timetable for the completion of this project. But, the project is apparently still moving forward.

(06-29-2020 09:22 AM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  I read yesterday that North Texas has finished working with architects on the programing needs and basic design for the athletic center expansion. With the uncertainty created by the current pandemic, UNT has not announced a timetable for the completion of this project. But, the project is apparently still moving forward.

If we have the financial resources to do it, I say start moving dirt. Contractors have to be looking for work to keep their employees busy during this Covid-19 mess.

(06-30-2020 04:30 PM)Green Menace Wrote:  

(06-29-2020 09:22 AM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  I read yesterday that North Texas has finished working with architects on the programing needs and basic design for the athletic center expansion. With the uncertainty created by the current pandemic, UNT has not announced a timetable for the completion of this project. But, the project is apparently still moving forward.

If we have the financial resources to do it, I say start moving dirt. Contractors have to be looking for work to keep their employees busy during this Covid-19 mess.

That's the great selling point. Right now, construction costs are favorable due to the pandemic, so UNT can build more for less. The basic designs are finished. So, I'm sure Wren is pitching it to our big money donors and showing them how much they would save by signing contracts now.

It is a similar situation to when North Texas built Apogee. The nation was in an economic downturn due to the housing bubble, so we got a $100,000,000+ stadium for $78,000,000.

We'll see how the athletic center expansion plays out.

(06-30-2020 05:34 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(06-30-2020 04:30 PM)Green Menace Wrote:  

(06-29-2020 09:22 AM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  I read yesterday that North Texas has finished working with architects on the programing needs and basic design for the athletic center expansion. With the uncertainty created by the current pandemic, UNT has not announced a timetable for the completion of this project. But, the project is apparently still moving forward.

If we have the financial resources to do it, I say start moving dirt. Contractors have to be looking for work to keep their employees busy during this Covid-19 mess.

That's the great selling point. Right now, construction costs are favorable due to the pandemic, so UNT can build more for less. The basic designs are finished. So, I'm sure Wren is pitching it to our big money donors and showing them how much they would save by signing contracts now.

It is a similar situation to when North Texas built Apogee. The nation was in an economic downturn due to the housing bubble, so we got a $100,000,000+ stadium for $78,000,000.

We'll see how the athletic center expansion plays out.

It also helped that HKS Architects and Manhatten Construction Group, both among the very best with stadium creation, were able to design and build Apogee Stadium and the Dallas Cowboys stadium concurrently. The attention to detail was impeccable. Apogee would easily cost more than double if built in today's market.

(07-04-2020 09:27 PM)Adler Wrote:  

(06-30-2020 05:34 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(06-30-2020 04:30 PM)Green Menace Wrote:  

(06-29-2020 09:22 AM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  I read yesterday that North Texas has finished working with architects on the programing needs and basic design for the athletic center expansion. With the uncertainty created by the current pandemic, UNT has not announced a timetable for the completion of this project. But, the project is apparently still moving forward.

If we have the financial resources to do it, I say start moving dirt. Contractors have to be looking for work to keep their employees busy during this Covid-19 mess.

That's the great selling point. Right now, construction costs are favorable due to the pandemic, so UNT can build more for less. The basic designs are finished. So, I'm sure Wren is pitching it to our big money donors and showing them how much they would save by signing contracts now.

It is a similar situation to when North Texas built Apogee. The nation was in an economic downturn due to the housing bubble, so we got a $100,000,000+ stadium for $78,000,000.

We'll see how the athletic center expansion plays out.

It also helped that HKS Architects and Manhatten Construction Group, both among the very best with stadium creation, were able to design and build Apogee Stadium and the Dallas Cowboys stadium concurrently. The attention to detail was impeccable. Apogee would easily cost more than double if built in today's market.

So which is it? Favorable construction cost or unfavorable construction cost?

(07-05-2020 03:41 PM)FAU Connoisseur! Wrote:  

(07-04-2020 09:27 PM)Adler Wrote:  

(06-30-2020 05:34 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(06-30-2020 04:30 PM)Green Menace Wrote:  

(06-29-2020 09:22 AM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  I read yesterday that North Texas has finished working with architects on the programing needs and basic design for the athletic center expansion. With the uncertainty created by the current pandemic, UNT has not announced a timetable for the completion of this project. But, the project is apparently still moving forward.

If we have the financial resources to do it, I say start moving dirt. Contractors have to be looking for work to keep their employees busy during this Covid-19 mess.

That's the great selling point. Right now, construction costs are favorable due to the pandemic, so UNT can build more for less. The basic designs are finished. So, I'm sure Wren is pitching it to our big money donors and showing them how much they would save by signing contracts now.

It is a similar situation to when North Texas built Apogee. The nation was in an economic downturn due to the housing bubble, so we got a $100,000,000+ stadium for $78,000,000.

We'll see how the athletic center expansion plays out.

It also helped that HKS Architects and Manhatten Construction Group, both among the very best with stadium creation, were able to design and build Apogee Stadium and the Dallas Cowboys stadium concurrently. The attention to detail was impeccable. Apogee would easily cost more than double if built in today's market.

So which is it? Favorable construction cost or unfavorable construction cost?

I'm not sure of his logic, but Apogee was built a decade ago. So, with that in mind, inflation alone would drive up the cost of building the stadium today, though I doubt it would be as high as $200,000,000. But, even so, the current economic downturn would still save us construction costs. Just not as low as $78,000,000.

(07-06-2020 06:11 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(07-05-2020 03:41 PM)FAU Connoisseur! Wrote:  

(07-04-2020 09:27 PM)Adler Wrote:  

(06-30-2020 05:34 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(06-30-2020 04:30 PM)Green Menace Wrote:  If we have the financial resources to do it, I say start moving dirt. Contractors have to be looking for work to keep their employees busy during this Covid-19 mess.

That's the great selling point. Right now, construction costs are favorable due to the pandemic, so UNT can build more for less. The basic designs are finished. So, I'm sure Wren is pitching it to our big money donors and showing them how much they would save by signing contracts now.

It is a similar situation to when North Texas built Apogee. The nation was in an economic downturn due to the housing bubble, so we got a $100,000,000+ stadium for $78,000,000.

We'll see how the athletic center expansion plays out.

It also helped that HKS Architects and Manhatten Construction Group, both among the very best with stadium creation, were able to design and build Apogee Stadium and the Dallas Cowboys stadium concurrently. The attention to detail was impeccable. Apogee would easily cost more than double if built in today's market.

So which is it? Favorable construction cost or unfavorable construction cost?

I'm not sure of his logic, but Apogee was built a decade ago. So, with that in mind, inflation alone would drive up the cost of building the stadium today, though I doubt it would be as high as $200,000,000. But, even so, the current economic downturn would still save us construction costs. Just not as low as $78,000,000.

The architecture and construction contracts for Apogee Stadium were negotiated in 2008-2009 during the "Great Recession". Most large scale construction was at a standstill and North Texas was able to score outstanding value for their investment.

The new Mean Green golf facility is shaping up nicely. In this recent photo of the construction you can see one side the building and a small part of the outdoor playing surfaces.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E39IgE7VoAIz...name=large