McClung is transferring. This after the sh!tshow last fall with Akinjo/LeBlanc/Alexander/Gardner coupled with lackluster recruiting for a couple years....

https://www.casualhoya.com/2020/5/13/212...recruiting

(05-13-2020 09:07 PM)VCE Wrote:  McClung is transferring. This after the sh!tshow last fall with Akinjo/LeBlanc/Alexander/Gardner coupled with lackluster recruiting for a couple years....

https://www.casualhoya.com/2020/5/13/212...recruiting

Ouch. Hate this for the program and Big Pat. It simply looks bad. And negative optics — when consistently worsened — ... troubling.

I think you can make a case were it not for Covid, Ewing would already been gone.

Sucks because I thought he actually did a solid job last season considering the circumstances. I'm a Charlotte Hornets fan and always liked him as a coach there, figured he would find success at his alma mater. Wish him the best but it's not looking good for him or Georgetown.

If they do can him, who do they look to as a potential replacement?

(05-14-2020 01:15 AM)Nameless Wrote:  Sucks because I thought he actually did a solid job last season considering the circumstances. I'm a Charlotte Hornets fan and always liked him as a coach there, figured he would find success at his alma mater. Wish him the best but it's not looking good for him or Georgetown.

If they do can him, who do they look to as a potential replacement?

Someone from outside of the Thompson sphere of influence. For as much good as he did for the program (and basketball in general) for his first 20 some odd years, the man has been a cancerous tumor ruining it since the late 90s.

If the search opens up next year, I would think these three are in the conversation: Shaka Smart, Johnny Dawkins and Tommy Amaker. The wild card candidates, if Reed really does go outside the norm, would be Wes Miller, Ryan Odom and LeVelle Moton.

Bottom line, they don't need someone with ties to Georgetown or to JT; they need a proven winner. If they can get a Mike Anderson-type hire, that would be huge IMO.

(05-14-2020 01:01 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  If the search opens up next year, I would think these three are in the conversation: Shaka Smart, Johnny Dawkins and Tommy Amaker. The wild card candidates, if Reed really does go outside the norm, would be Wes Miller, Ryan Odom and LeVelle Moton.

Bottom line, they don't need someone with ties to Georgetown or to JT; they need a proven winner. If they can get a Mike Anderson-type hire, that would be huge IMO.

amazing saying that last sentence when last year felt like such a debacle for St John's.....

What I was saying by the way was that if this had been a normal year, I think there would have been a good chance Ewing goes similar to what Mullin did after last year....

(05-14-2020 02:20 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(05-14-2020 01:01 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  If the search opens up next year, I would think these three are in the conversation: Shaka Smart, Johnny Dawkins and Tommy Amaker. The wild card candidates, if Reed really does go outside the norm, would be Wes Miller, Ryan Odom and LeVelle Moton.

Bottom line, they don't need someone with ties to Georgetown or to JT; they need a proven winner. If they can get a Mike Anderson-type hire, that would be huge IMO.

amazing saying that last sentence when last year felt like such a debacle for St John's.....

What I was saying by the way was that if this had been a normal year, I think there would have been a good chance Ewing goes similar to what Mullin did after last year....

Agreed. St. John's definitely "lucked into" hiring Anderson. He was, what, their 4th option (Hurley, Moser, Cluess)? I think it speaks, largely, on ADs wanting to hire a "sexy" name, unfortunately. There are a ton of proven, successful, coaches that appear to never be seriously considered for higher-end jobs, for whatever reason. I always thought Ron Hunter was in that category. I think LaVelle Moton is in that category. Forbes was definitely in that category. There are a few of those guys IMO.

With regards to Ewing, you mean like "checking out"? I would think Ewing would not coach another college program, but would most likely be warmly welcomed back as an assistant again. Unfortunately, I don't see him as a HC in the NBA, unless there is a strong executive connection.

(05-14-2020 06:10 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  With regards to Ewing, you mean like "checking out"? I would think Ewing would not coach another college program, but would most likely be warmly welcomed back as an assistant again. Unfortunately, I don't see him as a HC in the NBA, unless there is a strong executive connection.

Maybe James Dolan could step in and do something, I dunno. I love Coach and wish him well, but he seems not to have learned anything from the JT3 era’s last few years- wildly unbalanced recruiting classes (we brought in 3 centers last year), crappy defense, up and down recruiting, etc. I do like his offense and think it’s a big improvement over JT3. Some of that’s on him, some of it goes higher up.

JT Jr and Jack DeGioia have both been on campus for four decades, and it shows in both the basketball program and the university as a whole. Institutions need new blood constantly to refresh and improve their operations, but Georgetown operates in a very conservative (not in the political sense) way whereby any new blood won’t have anything but a marginal impact with Jack and JT Jr still in place.

Assuming Ewing has not done anything inappropriate or unethical with his players, I kind of feel badly for him. But at some point, you do start to wonder if Big Pat is fumbling and bumbling about. VCE's point about the "positional imbalance" regarding recruiting and roster replenishment ... well made. I've been puzzled by it. For example, the GU roster has had an excess of big people and insufficient numbers of perimeter players the past two seasons (or seemingly so).

If Ewing has to go, I like Johnny Dawkins or Tommy Amaker as the next Hoya coach.

(05-14-2020 06:10 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  

(05-14-2020 02:20 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(05-14-2020 01:01 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  If the search opens up next year, I would think these three are in the conversation: Shaka Smart, Johnny Dawkins and Tommy Amaker. The wild card candidates, if Reed really does go outside the norm, would be Wes Miller, Ryan Odom and LeVelle Moton.

Bottom line, they don't need someone with ties to Georgetown or to JT; they need a proven winner. If they can get a Mike Anderson-type hire, that would be huge IMO.

amazing saying that last sentence when last year felt like such a debacle for St John's.....

What I was saying by the way was that if this had been a normal year, I think there would have been a good chance Ewing goes similar to what Mullin did after last year....

Agreed. St. John's definitely "lucked into" hiring Anderson. He was, what, their 4th option (Hurley, Moser, Cluess)? I think it speaks, largely, on ADs wanting to hire a "sexy" name, unfortunately. There are a ton of proven, successful, coaches that appear to never be seriously considered for higher-end jobs, for whatever reason. I always thought Ron Hunter was in that category. I think LaVelle Moton is in that category. Forbes was definitely in that category. There are a few of those guys IMO.

With regards to Ewing, you mean like "checking out"? I would think Ewing would not coach another college program, but would most likely be warmly welcomed back as an assistant again. Unfortunately, I don't see him as a HC in the NBA, unless there is a strong executive connection.

exactly what I was thinking. I think he's very likely to leave after this year.

Good point on some of the names of coaches. Thought Tulane got a steal in getting Ron Hunter the way they did. Will be really interesting to see the coaching carousel going forward with all the $$$...

(05-14-2020 10:46 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(05-14-2020 06:10 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  

(05-14-2020 02:20 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(05-14-2020 01:01 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  If the search opens up next year, I would think these three are in the conversation: Shaka Smart, Johnny Dawkins and Tommy Amaker. The wild card candidates, if Reed really does go outside the norm, would be Wes Miller, Ryan Odom and LeVelle Moton.

Bottom line, they don't need someone with ties to Georgetown or to JT; they need a proven winner. If they can get a Mike Anderson-type hire, that would be huge IMO.

amazing saying that last sentence when last year felt like such a debacle for St John's.....

What I was saying by the way was that if this had been a normal year, I think there would have been a good chance Ewing goes similar to what Mullin did after last year....

Agreed. St. John's definitely "lucked into" hiring Anderson. He was, what, their 4th option (Hurley, Moser, Cluess)? I think it speaks, largely, on ADs wanting to hire a "sexy" name, unfortunately. There are a ton of proven, successful, coaches that appear to never be seriously considered for higher-end jobs, for whatever reason. I always thought Ron Hunter was in that category. I think LaVelle Moton is in that category. Forbes was definitely in that category. There are a few of those guys IMO.

With regards to Ewing, you mean like "checking out"? I would think Ewing would not coach another college program, but would most likely be warmly welcomed back as an assistant again. Unfortunately, I don't see him as a HC in the NBA, unless there is a strong executive connection.

exactly what I was thinking. I think he's very likely to leave after this year.

Good point on some of the names of coaches. Thought Tulane got a steal in getting Ron Hunter the way they did. Will be really interesting to see the coaching carousel going forward with all the $$$...

I tend to agree with you, S20, on Tulane's hiring of Hunter. He did a solid job last year.

Keep us posted about what you hear in D.C. regarding Big Pat.