(05-13-2020 10:12 PM)cleveland Wrote:  

(05-13-2020 08:59 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(05-13-2020 08:47 AM)cleveland Wrote:  Look ... the simple argument here is fairness. Every sport has been clipped in some way except football.

You still haven't answered how it is possible for the MAC to announce anything about football when so much about the football season is uncertain ... we don't know if it will be played, if it will be played in fall or in summer, how many games will be played if it is played.

We don't know whether bowl games will be played.

If you are confident that a full 12 game regular college FB season will go as planned as the second wave of the covid19 epidemic gets underway from all of the premature openings, you are living in La La land.

You are complaining about the MAC not making any announcement about Football at a point in time when it is impossible to make any announcement about Football.

The same holds true for all the other sports. The MAC didn't wait to make that decision ... the MAC made 'certain' what the new normal is in those 8 sports. They can do the same for football.

Time and time again ... especially with this regime ... football gets the free pass while all other sports take the hit.

The core of all sports is fairness. It is not fair that FB always gets the pass. Period.

Just ******* stop.
Whatever this little crusade your on...... it’s pointless. Football is the engine to every MAC Athletic Dept. No other sport is getting 1m to play one game.

(05-13-2020 10:38 PM)utpotts Wrote:  Just ******* stop.
Whatever this little crusade your on...... it’s pointless. Football is the engine to every MAC Athletic Dept. No other sport is getting 1m to play one game.

1.9 million in KSU's case

(05-13-2020 10:41 PM)thanksjim Wrote:  

(05-13-2020 10:38 PM)utpotts Wrote:  Just ******* stop.
Whatever this little crusade your on...... it’s pointless. Football is the engine to every MAC Athletic Dept. No other sport is getting 1m to play one game.

1.9 million in KSU's case

So the MAC can't SAY what will be done with FB until they know what the conferences with the schools that are paying the buy game guarantees decide what THEY are going to do.

We haven't even passed the 100,000 death toll mark, and with no national testing and tracking system in place and nothing being done to put it in place, we will blow throw 200,000 sometime this fall.

Any individual school like Auburn declaring that they will be open with no social distancing measures in place is just making hopeful sounding noises. The reality is we have no idea.

Decisions about FB just have to be postponed. Given the size of the FB squads, they would have to be postponed even if FB was NOT the MAC schools' biggest marketing spend for the biggest marketing impact.

If I were a betting man, I'd say college football is cancelled this year.

And quite frankly, as much as I love the sport, I'd rather just skip it for a year than entertain these depressing "options" I hear about (move it to Spring, have a shortened schedule, conference mates do home and homes, zero spectators, etc.).

(05-14-2020 07:55 AM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  If I were a betting man, I'd say college football is cancelled this year.

And quite frankly, as much as I love the sport, I'd rather just skip it for a year than entertain these depressing "options" I hear about (move it to Spring, have a shortened schedule, conference mates do home and homes, zero spectators, etc.).

Wow. I'm of the opposite mind.

Everything I read indicates that all of the FBS conferences plan to move ahead with CFB this year.

(05-14-2020 07:55 AM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  If I were a betting man, I'd say college football is cancelled this year.

And quite frankly, as much as I love the sport, I'd rather just skip it for a year than entertain these depressing "options" I hear about (move it to Spring, have a shortened schedule, conference mates do home and homes, zero spectators, etc.).

Some of those things are not like the others. If they are able to do eight games and a CCG, then a division round robin and one cross division game and two OOC games would in my mind actually be substantially better than nothing.

(05-14-2020 08:58 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(05-14-2020 07:55 AM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  If I were a betting man, I'd say college football is cancelled this year.

And quite frankly, as much as I love the sport, I'd rather just skip it for a year than entertain these depressing "options" I hear about (move it to Spring, have a shortened schedule, conference mates do home and homes, zero spectators, etc.).

Wow. I'm of the opposite mind.

Everything I read indicates that all of the FBS conferences plan to move ahead with CFB this year.

In states that are open and have students back on campus.
No football means, no TV money, no student athletic fees, no donor money, lower retail sales, and no parking money, etc.
No MAC school will be able to survive in its current form without football this coming season. Especially in states are that are struggling with re-opening (Illinois and Michigan). Even football with out spectators would be better off than nothing at all.

There will likely be football and likely be fans. Most likely scenario will be to limit fans to 25-50% capacity so people can wear masks and be 6 ft apart.

The mortality rate is roughly .5% which is heavily skewed due to very high mortality in elderly. Take the elderly out of the equation and the mortality is comparable to the flu. My parents are in their 70s and I will strongly advise them to avoid crowds until a vaccine is available. I'm in my 30's and will gladly wear a mask and sit in a stadium socially distanced.

(05-14-2020 10:11 AM)GRBRONCO Wrote:  There will likely be football and likely be fans. Most likely scenario will be to limit fans to 25-50% capacity so people can wear masks and be 6 ft apart.

The mortality rate is roughly .5% which is heavily skewed due to very high mortality in elderly. Take the elderly out of the equation and the mortality is comparable to the flu. My parents are in their 70s and I will strongly advise them to avoid crowds until a vaccine is available. I'm in my 30's and will gladly wear a mask and sit in a stadium socially distanced.

Akron has been practicing social distancing at games for years.

(05-14-2020 10:13 AM)kreed5120 Wrote:  

(05-14-2020 10:11 AM)GRBRONCO Wrote:  There will likely be football and likely be fans. Most likely scenario will be to limit fans to 25-50% capacity so people can wear masks and be 6 ft apart.

The mortality rate is roughly .5% which is heavily skewed due to very high mortality in elderly. Take the elderly out of the equation and the mortality is comparable to the flu. My parents are in their 70s and I will strongly advise them to avoid crowds until a vaccine is available. I'm in my 30's and will gladly wear a mask and sit in a stadium socially distanced.

Akron has been practicing social distancing at games for years.

Every school has since MACtion started!!!

Akron has officially cut its men’s cross country, men’s golf and women’s tennis programs.

https://www.uakron.edu/redesigning-ua/at...05-14-2020

(05-14-2020 10:13 AM)kreed5120 Wrote:  Akron has been practicing social distancing at games for years.

i have lived long enough to see a joke about MAC attendance that doesn't mention EMU. this is truly a unique period in history.

I know the info is available but I haven't been able to find it. What are the costs/revenues of MAC FB? It's always stated that FB funds the athletic departments but they also are the biggest consumer of resources with 85 full rides, highest coaching salaries, etc.

(05-13-2020 10:38 PM)utpotts Wrote:  

(05-13-2020 10:12 PM)cleveland Wrote:  

(05-13-2020 08:59 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(05-13-2020 08:47 AM)cleveland Wrote:  Look ... the simple argument here is fairness. Every sport has been clipped in some way except football.

You still haven't answered how it is possible for the MAC to announce anything about football when so much about the football season is uncertain ... we don't know if it will be played, if it will be played in fall or in summer, how many games will be played if it is played.

We don't know whether bowl games will be played.

If you are confident that a full 12 game regular college FB season will go as planned as the second wave of the covid19 epidemic gets underway from all of the premature openings, you are living in La La land.

You are complaining about the MAC not making any announcement about Football at a point in time when it is impossible to make any announcement about Football.

The same holds true for all the other sports. The MAC didn't wait to make that decision ... the MAC made 'certain' what the new normal is in those 8 sports. They can do the same for football.

Time and time again ... especially with this regime ... football gets the free pass while all other sports take the hit.

The core of all sports is fairness. It is not fair that FB always gets the pass. Period.

Just ******* stop.
Whatever this little crusade your on...... it’s pointless. Football is the engine to every MAC Athletic Dept. No other sport is getting 1m to play one game.

Haven't said one word about eliminating those paydays ... I have asked about MAC Level changes all other sports are being asked to make, but not FB.

Why not add one more MAC game to the schedule, instead of HBCU/D1AA and so forth. ... Why not move badck to on-campus title game? None of that stops Kent or any other MAC team from playing Alabama/Oklahoma/OSU for big $$$.

So far the only scuttlebutt I've heard re: football changes is not letting home teams stay in local hotels the night before a game. -- WOW, that hurts!!!

I guess soccer, field hockey, baseball, m/wm BB and others still get this benefit ... you think

Again ... it's about being fair.

(05-14-2020 02:46 PM)cleveland Wrote:  

(05-13-2020 10:38 PM)utpotts Wrote:  

(05-13-2020 10:12 PM)cleveland Wrote:  

(05-13-2020 08:59 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(05-13-2020 08:47 AM)cleveland Wrote:  Look ... the simple argument here is fairness. Every sport has been clipped in some way except football.

You still haven't answered how it is possible for the MAC to announce anything about football when so much about the football season is uncertain ... we don't know if it will be played, if it will be played in fall or in summer, how many games will be played if it is played.

We don't know whether bowl games will be played.

If you are confident that a full 12 game regular college FB season will go as planned as the second wave of the covid19 epidemic gets underway from all of the premature openings, you are living in La La land.

You are complaining about the MAC not making any announcement about Football at a point in time when it is impossible to make any announcement about Football.

The same holds true for all the other sports. The MAC didn't wait to make that decision ... the MAC made 'certain' what the new normal is in those 8 sports. They can do the same for football.

Time and time again ... especially with this regime ... football gets the free pass while all other sports take the hit.

The core of all sports is fairness. It is not fair that FB always gets the pass. Period.

Just ******* stop.
Whatever this little crusade your on...... it’s pointless. Football is the engine to every MAC Athletic Dept. No other sport is getting 1m to play one game.

Haven't said one word about eliminating those paydays ... I have asked about MAC Level changes all other sports are being asked to make, but not FB.

Why not add one more MAC game to the schedule, instead of HBCU/D1AA and so forth. ... Why not move badck to on-campus title game? None of that stops Kent or any other MAC team from playing Alabama/Oklahoma/OSU for big $$$.

So far the only scuttlebutt I've heard re: football changes is not letting home teams stay in local hotels the night before a game. -- WOW, that hurts!!!

I guess soccer, field hockey, baseball, m/wm BB and others still get this benefit ... you think

Again ... it's about being fair.

Ummmmm..... Life is not fair...... I'm shocked you haven't realized this.

(05-14-2020 02:35 PM)shankapotamus1 Wrote:  I know the info is available but I haven't been able to find it. What are the costs/revenues of MAC FB? It's always stated that FB funds the athletic departments but they also are the biggest consumer of resources with 85 full rides, highest coaching salaries, etc.

Below is a tweet from an Akron Beacon Journal reporter. Williams, Akron's AD, says football costs 6.5-7 million per year. This doesn't include the ~4.5 million debt payment on Infocision.

https://twitter.com/JenPignolet/status/1...8217564163

As for revenue, you can get ~1.5 million per buy game and you're starting to see MAC teams schedule 2 of of those (3 million). Also, the tv deal, which is 833k per school. There is the CFP money, which is a sizable sum, but I don't feel like looking it up. After that you have ticket sales, concessions, parking, sponsorship, and donations. I'm guessing each school is at least close to breaking even on football with several turning small profits.

(05-14-2020 10:11 AM)GRBRONCO Wrote:  The mortality rate is roughly .5% which is heavily skewed due to very high mortality in elderly. Take the elderly out of the equation and the mortality is comparable to the flu. My parents are in their 70s and I will strongly advise them to avoid crowds until a vaccine is available. I'm in my 30's and will gladly wear a mask and sit in a stadium socially distanced.

well said

(05-14-2020 03:18 PM)kreed5120 Wrote:  

(05-14-2020 02:35 PM)shankapotamus1 Wrote:  I know the info is available but I haven't been able to find it. What are the costs/revenues of MAC FB? It's always stated that FB funds the athletic departments but they also are the biggest consumer of resources with 85 full rides, highest coaching salaries, etc.

Below is a tweet from an Akron Beacon Journal reporter. Williams, Akron's AD, says football costs 6.5-7 million per year. This doesn't include the ~4.5 million debt payment on Infocision.

https://twitter.com/JenPignolet/status/1...8217564163

As for revenue, you can get ~1.5 million per buy game and you're starting to see MAC teams schedule 2 of of those (3 million). Also, the tv deal, which is 833k per school. There is the CFP money, which is a sizable sum, but I don't feel like looking it up. After that you have ticket sales, concessions, parking, sponsorship, and donations. I'm guessing each school is at least close to breaking even on football with several turning small profits.

Marketing rights are larger too for an FBS program over FCS. Advertising. Product licensing.

FCS makes sense if you are like Montana or Maine with too small of a recruiting base to compete in a G5. Midwest is a FB region and has room for more than just the B1G.

(05-14-2020 04:31 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  

(05-14-2020 10:11 AM)GRBRONCO Wrote:  The mortality rate is roughly .5% which is heavily skewed due to very high mortality in elderly. Take the elderly out of the equation and the mortality is comparable to the flu. My parents are in their 70s and I will strongly advise them to avoid crowds until a vaccine is available. I'm in my 30's and will gladly wear a mask and sit in a stadium socially distanced.

well said

Though note that the claim about the disease being as dangerous as the flu is taking an assumed infectious fatality rate for Covid19 (which is just guesswork at this point since it is too recent for us to actually know with confidence) and comparing it to a case fatality rate for the flu, which is not an apples to apples comparison but is just propaganda to keep the "no worse than the flu" line alive as we pass 80,000 fatalities with most of those in the past two months on our way past 200,000 fatalities.

So saying it well doesn't make up for it being based on a claim that is not close to being true.

The .5% rate is pretty widely accepted now based on antibody studies throughout Europe, New York, California, Indiana, etc..

The rate is also heavily skewed by the elderly, that cannot be argued.
(New York - 93% of their deaths were over 65, Italy - 93.5% of their deaths were over 65.)

This is a terrible disease if you are 65. The media likes to highlight every 30 yr old who dies from COVID, but the fact of the matter is these are rare exceptions.