Back to the thread topic—if you boil it down, the WAC is only viable as an FBS conference if you boot out everybody but NMSU.

FCS viability rests in being able to recruit 4-6 Texas D2 schools and/or picking up start up programs from within their membership.

(05-13-2020 08:27 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Back to the thread topic—if you boil it down, the WAC is only viable as an FBS conference if you boot out everybody but NMSU.

FCS viability rests in being able to recruit 4-6 Texas D2 schools and/or picking up start up programs from within their membership.

I think the first step was getting a few FCS independent schools as members. Dixie St and Tarleton St should be solid members once they complete the transition

Second step would be convincing UTRGV and maybe GCU to start up football (having two late season opponents built in already makes it easier to sell that)

The third step would be somehow getting 3 schools to make the move to FBS independent. Maybe GCU with their large online presence and bank account could do this, but I have no idea who else could

The hypothetical fourth step would be forming a conference and inviting FBS independents (I doubt any come) or FCS Texas /Great plains schools to get to 8.

Really it’s hard to see how anything beyond step two happens

You got to wonder if Central Oklahoma might make the move to D1 as well? D2 is having issues with schools closing, dropping down to NAIA or dropping football.

(05-09-2020 09:21 PM)NoDak Wrote:  I will make a bet with johnbragg, if their isn't two new FBS conferences planned by this May 30th. I will resign from this board. If there is, you will resign as a moderator.

I'm super excited for some kind of announcement to come either today or tomorrow from any of the schools or conferences involved.

(05-28-2020 11:36 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(05-09-2020 09:21 PM)NoDak Wrote:  I will make a bet with johnbragg, if their isn't two new FBS conferences planned by this May 30th. I will resign from this board. If there is, you will resign as a moderator.

I'm super excited for some kind of announcement to come either today or tomorrow from any of the schools or conferences involved.

Sunday Nodak will say something along the lines of: "Well they're might not be an announcement yet but I have super secret info from my super secret source, whom I can't reveal, that they're definitely planning these conferences. You all laugh at me now but you'll see!"

COVID no doubt delayed the announcement of these 2 new super secret FBS leagues.

(05-28-2020 11:36 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(05-09-2020 09:21 PM)NoDak Wrote:  I will make a bet with johnbragg, if their isn't two new FBS conferences planned by this May 30th. I will resign from this board. If there is, you will resign as a moderator.

I'm super excited for some kind of announcement to come either today or tomorrow from any of the schools or conferences involved.

When did he originally make this announcement? Lol

(05-28-2020 12:15 PM)Gamecock Wrote:  

(05-28-2020 11:36 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(05-09-2020 09:21 PM)NoDak Wrote:  I will make a bet with johnbragg, if their isn't two new FBS conferences planned by this May 30th. I will resign from this board. If there is, you will resign as a moderator.

I'm super excited for some kind of announcement to come either today or tomorrow from any of the schools or conferences involved.

When did he originally make this announcement? Lol

It says 5-09-2020 at 9:21pm

Is there any way to enforce the bet? Honestly it’s tiring to see the same person calling everyone on here an idiot because South Dakota School of Mines didn’t create a secret FBS conference or whatever.

(05-28-2020 12:35 PM)3BNole Wrote:  Is there any way to enforce the bet? Honestly it’s tiring to see the same person calling everyone on here an idiot because South Dakota School of Mines didn’t create a secret FBS conference or whatever.

I remember when he was under some kind of suspension on this board so was at the MAC board spreading weird hockey realignment arguments on the pretext that there are three MAC members playing hockey (including the only team at my alma mater I cheer for, go Redhawks Hockey!!!).

(05-28-2020 12:31 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  

(05-28-2020 12:15 PM)Gamecock Wrote:  

(05-28-2020 11:36 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(05-09-2020 09:21 PM)NoDak Wrote:  I will make a bet with johnbragg, if their isn't two new FBS conferences planned by this May 30th. I will resign from this board. If there is, you will resign as a moderator.

I'm super excited for some kind of announcement to come either today or tomorrow from any of the schools or conferences involved.

When did he originally make this announcement? Lol

It says 5-09-2020 at 9:21pm

Jesus haha.

It’s one thing to believe this but give yourself some time man!

(05-28-2020 12:48 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(05-28-2020 12:35 PM)3BNole Wrote:  Is there any way to enforce the bet? Honestly it’s tiring to see the same person calling everyone on here an idiot because South Dakota School of Mines didn’t create a secret FBS conference or whatever.

I remember when he was under some kind of suspension on this board so was at the MAC board spreading weird hockey realignment arguments on the pretext that there are three MAC members playing hockey (including the only team at my alma mater I cheer for, go Redhawks Hockey!!!).

He’s in every neighborhood. You’ll catch him getting into squabbles on the MAC board, the WAC board, the MWC board, the MVC board, the Oral Roberts board, etc. You could actually produce a weekly tv show with the vast array of locations he gets into quarrels in.

I honestly don’t understand why the WAC didn’t just dissolve completely after 2012.

And NMSU is the only WAC member with an FBS football team. The only way they could again play football is if they got 7 FCS teams to upgrade to FBS and join the WAC.

(05-08-2020 01:02 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Correct me if I’m wrong, but to be a formal FBS conference don’t 8 of the football members also have to be full members?

Yes.

And even though 8 is the de jure low limit, I have my doubts about whether the NCAA would approve the creation of an 8 team conference. Isn’t the Big 12 the only FBS conference with less than 12 teams? I suspect the NCAA would refuse to approve the creation of a new FBS conference with less than 10 and possibly even less than 12 teams.

The Sunbelt has 10 Football teams, but has 12 teams for the other sports.

(05-28-2020 07:59 PM)Poster Wrote:  

(05-08-2020 01:02 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Correct me if I’m wrong, but to be a formal FBS conference don’t 8 of the football members also have to be full members?

Yes.

And even though 8 is the de jure low limit, I have my doubts about whether the NCAA would approve the creation of an 8 team conference. Isn’t the Big 12 the only FBS conference with less than 12 teams? I suspect the NCAA would refuse to approve the creation of a new FBS conference with less than 10 and possibly even less than 12 teams.

AAC has 11 and Sunbelt has 10

(05-28-2020 07:47 PM)Poster Wrote:  I honestly don’t understand why the WAC didn’t just dissolve completely after 2012.

And NMSU is the only WAC member with an FBS football team. The only way they could again play football is if they got 7 FCS teams to upgrade to FBS and join the WAC.

The NCAA changed the rules in 2011 to save the WAC--before that you needed 7 schools, 6 of them playing together for 5 years. The new rule was, basically, an existing conference could keep their autobid as long as they could scrape together 7 schools, and it's pretty much impossible to start a new conference.

So the WAC autobid became a valuable commodity, and the schools stuck in the WAC frantically brought in new schools to replace the schools that were leaving, just in case they didn't get lifeboats off of the Titanic. Then most of them got lifeboats, and the schools who were brought in scrambled to replace the departing schools. So UTSA and Texas State are brought in to replace Boise State and Hawaii and Nevada, and they bring in a bunch of Great West schools before getting tickets out. Then the former Great West schools scramble to find a couple of other schools to keep the conference alive.

(05-28-2020 07:59 PM)Poster Wrote:  

(05-08-2020 01:02 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Correct me if I’m wrong, but to be a formal FBS conference don’t 8 of the football members also have to be full members?

Yes.

And even though 8 is the de jure low limit, I have my doubts about whether the NCAA would approve the creation of an 8 team conference. Isn’t the Big 12 the only FBS conference with less than 12 teams? I suspect the NCAA would refuse to approve the creation of a new FBS conference with less than 10 and possibly even less than 12 teams.

There are enough problems with reviving an FBS WAC in the actual rules, we don't have to assume any unwritten rules (except of course for the Golden Rule--he who has the gold writes the rules.)

If the WAC somehow put together 4-5 bona fide FBS teams and 4-5 FCS upgrades (or nonfootball-to-FBS like UTSA and Charlotte did), I don't think the Powers That Be would use the lack of 10 football members as a reason to deny them.

(05-28-2020 08:24 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(05-28-2020 07:59 PM)Poster Wrote:  

(05-08-2020 01:02 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Correct me if I’m wrong, but to be a formal FBS conference don’t 8 of the football members also have to be full members?

Yes.

And even though 8 is the de jure low limit, I have my doubts about whether the NCAA would approve the creation of an 8 team conference. Isn’t the Big 12 the only FBS conference with less than 12 teams? I suspect the NCAA would refuse to approve the creation of a new FBS conference with less than 10 and possibly even less than 12 teams.

There are enough problems with reviving an FBS WAC in the actual rules, we don't have to assume any unwritten rules (except of course for the Golden Rule--he who has the gold writes the rules.)

If the WAC somehow put together 4-5 bona fide FBS teams and 4-5 FCS upgrades (or nonfootball-to-FBS like UTSA and Charlotte did), I don't think the Powers That Be would use the lack of 10 football members as a reason to deny them.

After all, as I noted in another thread, football conferences "eat what they kill" ... it doesn't take anything from those who have the gold if another FBS conference exists. It does take away one of their NCAA Tourney at-large spots if a new Division 1 conference is added, unless (as with the New Big East), the conference champion would typically be in line for an at-large big in any event.

(05-28-2020 08:34 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(05-28-2020 08:24 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(05-28-2020 07:59 PM)Poster Wrote:  

(05-08-2020 01:02 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Correct me if I’m wrong, but to be a formal FBS conference don’t 8 of the football members also have to be full members?

Yes.

And even though 8 is the de jure low limit, I have my doubts about whether the NCAA would approve the creation of an 8 team conference. Isn’t the Big 12 the only FBS conference with less than 12 teams? I suspect the NCAA would refuse to approve the creation of a new FBS conference with less than 10 and possibly even less than 12 teams.

There are enough problems with reviving an FBS WAC in the actual rules, we don't have to assume any unwritten rules (except of course for the Golden Rule--he who has the gold writes the rules.)

If the WAC somehow put together 4-5 bona fide FBS teams and 4-5 FCS upgrades (or nonfootball-to-FBS like UTSA and Charlotte did), I don't think the Powers That Be would use the lack of 10 football members as a reason to deny them.

After all, as I noted in another thread, football conferences "eat what they kill" ... it doesn't take anything from those who have the gold if another FBS conference exists. It does take away one of their NCAA Tourney at-large spots if a new Division 1 conference is added, unless (as with the New Big East), the conference champion would typically be in line for an at-large big in any event.

Well, presumably they'd be in the next CFP contract. Either the G5 pool would have to increase by 20% (at the expense of the P5), or each share of the G6 pool would go from 20% to 17%.

FBS status in itself is a valuable thing. I don't think that the new-ish upgrades will welcome another half-dozen upgrades, diluting the status they've just won.