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RE: NMSU AD on WAC FBS FB "It's on the docket to be discussed..there's some smoke...
if there were some way for a wac rebirth as an fbs conference it would provide cusa a way to unload one of it's most distant outliers, UTEP. If UTEP received a get out jail free card (no exit fee) so as to save cusa the travel to El Paso and allow UTEP to join a more regional fbs conference. I just don't see enough available schools to reach the 8 neccessary to create an fbs conference.
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RE: NMSU AD on WAC FBS FB "It's on the docket to be discussed..there's some smoke...
(05-09-2020 04:07 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(05-09-2020 03:34 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  Important to remember. An FCS WAC does not need six full members with football. If the WAC can add two more full members who are FCS (get to 4), it can bring in affiliates then.

Don't need any full members for FCS football, because football-only conferences are permitted in FCS.

I doubt they could get any existing FCS teams to join, because all of the other FCS teams in the west are in the Big Sky, and it would be unappealing to leave an established conference to join a new football only conference where the majority of teams either just started football or just started transitioning up from Division II five minutes ago.

You are probably right about that. If UTRGV started football, then maybe the WAC could convince Incarnate Word and Abilene Christian to leave the SLC and join the WAC for all-sports. That would be a long shot. If that went through, then maybe they can convince UC-Davis, Cal Poly and San Diego to join for football-only. Then maybe another quality D2 football program out west decides to move up (there are not many left). A lot of maybes.
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RE: NMSU AD on WAC FBS FB "It's on the docket to be discussed..there's some smoke...
If UTRG adds football then you have three independent Western FCS teams.
To go along with the 13 other FCS Western Big Sky schools.
Two eight team football only conferences can be formed.
This gives two championships to be won.
Gives schools seven yearly conference games and 4-5 non conference.
EWU and Montana are mad they don't play every year.
Idaho and Idaho St I believe are not guaranteed to play every year.
The conference is too big schools are not happy.
The Big Sky can run both football conferences like the MVFC and Pioneer are run.
The two new WAC schools and possibly UTRG make it easier to split the Big Sky.
The ASUN places their football schools in the Big South protecting both conferences.
Guaranteeing a spot in a Southern Big Sky conference helps the WAC.
Or add thirty schools and split four times.
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The trouble with any plan that involves Big Sky full members or football affiliates switching to the WAC is that they are going to have to volunteer to do so. Are S Utah, NAU, and UNC going to volunteer to do so?
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RE: NMSU AD on WAC FBS FB "It's on the docket to be discussed..there's some smoke...
(05-09-2020 05:28 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(05-09-2020 04:14 PM)NoDak Wrote:  For two years, my story has stayed the same but yet Ice been labeled an idiot.

The same posters that have sent the insults flying to me, just come up with some last minute fictional scenarios that don't make any sense and it's ok to those dufoses.

In fairness to NoDak, every FBS WAC on this thread has been just as dumb as any NoDak scheme. The posters on this thread are putting out scenarios that don't make a lot of sense--but the posters aren't declaring their harebrained schemes to be lead pipe locks to happen Real Soon Now.

What makes you a target, NoDak, is that you declare that you have inside, certain knowledge of what's going to happen. The Great Northern is not a bad idea for a conference. There's a logic to putting the flagships-and-landgrants of the northern Great Plains together. But you can't let it rest there.

It's not that your ideas are bad. It's that you declare your ideas as Things That Will Happen, Just You Wait, and you have this unshakeable conviction that the Montanas desperately want to align with the Dakota 4, and everything that happens is all part of the Plan, or misdirection to throw people off the scent of the Plan.

And no consideration is given to any evidence that things aren't moving in the direction of the Plan. No consideration of the question why the current FBS schools would want to share with another 10 or 20 or 30 upgrades (Summit, ASUN, WAC). No reflection on the idea that maybe a conference that is recruiting schools from D2 and D3 (St Thomas, Augustana to Summit) isn't in a position to pull off a hare-brained scheme to upgrade itself to FBS. No consideration of what it takes to actually get a school to leave--Western Illinois will just leave the Summit to get out of the way of the Plan.

And considering that many posters on this board remember how you were adamant that things were definitely going to happen for 2020.

Googling up a post, csnbbs nodak North Dakota FBS 2020. Going fishing.

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Quote:RE: The Great Northern Conference - NoDak - 06-01-2018 08:50 PM

There is so much BS on this thread that is not worth responding to.

Everything is still set. The WAC will get Southland and California FCS teams by July 1st but won’t move until 2020. There is legitimate concern that California’s legislature will pass some BS bill that will harm any FCS school athletic budget attempting to move up. The California schools don’t want to give time to the legislature to upend their plans.

Big Sky teams will still move to the Summit and it shed their eastern teams with the same timeline.

The Atlantic Sun will still expand with wannabe FBS schools and shed NJIT and Lipscomb.

The FBS conference moveup rule doesn’t matter until at least FBS transitions start.

All of these league will still be FCS in 2020. The objective is to qualify for FBS by 2024 to be included the the next CFB contract.

Tarleton St did not get an invite from the WAC but will get a Southland invite next year. Have said Tarleton St to the WAC was just a ruse all along, but was mocked for it here. Tarleton needs to play football in the Southland in a bus league. The Southland will soon need to plan for more fb schools to replace those going the the WAC.

UTRGV still hasn’t announced their new fb team yet. That will happen when the WAC invites FCS teams that will later upgrade to FBS. UTRGV will upgrade to FBS on the same timeline as UTSA.

"Everything is still set." Okay, let's look at the scoreboard on this post two years later.

Quote:The WAC will get Southland and California FCS teams by July 1st but won’t move until 2020.

That didn't happen.

Quote:There is legitimate concern that California’s legislature will pass some BS bill that will harm any FCS school athletic budget attempting to move up. The California schools don’t want to give time to the legislature to upend their plans.

I don't think California's legislature has passed any bills lately that had much to do with UC/Cal State schools upgrading from FCS to FBS.

But the failed prediction isn't why NoDak is a laughingstock. It's the ironclad certainty that he knows the inner workings and deliberations of the California FCS schools (among so many others) better than, say, the chumps in the California legislature who were having the wool pulled over their eyes.

Maybe, just maybe, it's not (whatever complicated X-Files explanation NoDak comes up with for why he was right about this all along). Maybe NoDak just doesn't particularly know anything and is guessing and hoping.

Quote:Big Sky teams will still move to the Summit and it shed their eastern teams with the same timeline.

Let's check wikipedia. What Big Sky teams have moved to the Summit in the past two years? I'm thinking it's "NONE, ZERO, NoDak is Wrong AGAIN" but let me check.

Let's look the second half of that sentence. "The Summit will shed their eastern teams" NoDak scores here--Fort Wayne has left the Summit for the Horizon League. On the other hand, Western Illinois hasn't gone anywhere. The Horizon is *probably* looking for a No. 12, but I don't see any reason to believe it's Western Illinois--Macomb makes Fort Wayne look like Fort Worth.

Quote:The Atlantic Sun will still expand with wannabe FBS schools...
I'm going out on a limb and saying you didn't mean Bellarmine.
Quote:...and shed NJIT and Lipscomb.
Or, you know, not.

Quote:The FBS conference moveup rule doesn’t matter until at least FBS transitions start.

All of these league will still be FCS in 2020.

NoDak SCORES! All of these leagues ARE still FCS in 2020. Well, technically, the ASun and Summit aren't FCS, but let's give him this one.

Quote:The objective is to qualify for FBS by 2024 to be included the the next CFB contract.
Well, maybe. Based on your batting average in this post so far, about 1.5/6, let's say there's a 25% chance that the objective is to be FBS by 2024.

Quote:Tarleton St did not get an invite from the WAC but will get a Southland invite next year. Have said Tarleton St to the WAC was just a ruse all along, but was mocked for it here.

And rightly so. The idea that a Division 2 Texas school would need some cloak-and-dagger black propaganda smokescreen to upgrade to the Southland Conference was, and is, very stupid.

To your great surprise I'm sure, the negotiations between Tarleton State and the WAC were not in fact about some byzantine Disney-Channel-sitcom-quality scheme to get Tarleton into the Southland. They were, in fact, about Tarleton STate joining the WAC.

Quote:Tarleton needs to play football in the Southland in a bus league.
That would be nice for Tarleton, but that doesn't seem to be the Southland's problem.

Quote:The Southland will soon need to plan for more fb schools to replace those going the the WAC.

No, they didn;'t and they don't.

Quote:UTRGV still hasn’t announced their new fb team yet. That will happen when the WAC invites FCS teams that will later upgrade to FBS. UTRGV will upgrade to FBS on the same timeline as UTSA.

Hard to score this one. On the one hand, RGV hasn't done anything. On the other hand, the WAC hasn't invited any FCS teams that will later upgrade to FBS.

Those precocious notes just tell me that this moderator doesn't know ****, is wling to lie and deceive to prove his points, has extensive backups to defend his moderator status.

My biggest mistake was stating in 2118 that the Big Sky would announce publicly that is was going to split. It only had to privAtely announce to the other schools.

But the soon the t o be Presidents have all approved massive checks for FBS facilities that this board has ignored but those are ignored by this board. The Big Sky has purpursely misguided the public because they don't want their plans going public, at least to dumbasses.

I will make a bet with johnbragg, if their isn't two new FBS conferences planned by this May 30th. I will resign from this board. If there is, you will resign as a moderator.
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(05-09-2020 09:15 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  The trouble with any plan that involves Big Sky full members or football affiliates switching to the WAC is that they are going to have to volunteer to do so. Are S Utah, NAU, and UNC going to volunteer to do so?

They can't afford it and they said so years ago under Fullerton. Idaho St and Portland St too. Dixie St and CWU will be brought in to replace. Non football schools like Seattle and Utah Valley will be acceptable when they weren't before. Said this million times but never listened to because people like johnbragg said I was an idiot.

Fullerton before he retired had a meeting where schools had to commit to FBS or get left behind.
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(05-09-2020 09:21 PM)NoDak Wrote:  Those precocious notes just tell me that this moderator doesn't know ****, is wling to lie and deceive to prove his points, has extensive backups to defend his moderator status.

My biggest mistake was stating in 1998 that the Big Sky would announce publicly that is was going to split. It only had to privAtely announce to the other schools.

But the soon the t o be Presidents have all approved massive checks for FBS facilities that this board has ignored but those are ignored by this board. The Big Sky has purpursely misguided the public because they don't want their plans going public, at least to dumbasses.

I will make a bet with johnbragg, if their isn't two new FBS conferences planned by this May 30th. I will resign from this board. If there is, you will resign as a moderator.

Oooh, I like this bet a lot! How would you define "planned", though? If it's defined as actual formal public announcements from the schools or conferences, I absolutely think you should take that bet, John. :D

Of course, since NoDak has already gone back on his word of resigning from this board, I wouldn't expect much to change.
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(05-09-2020 12:06 PM)Scoochpooch1 Wrote:  
(05-08-2020 01:44 PM)esayem Wrote:  
(05-08-2020 01:35 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  
(05-08-2020 01:22 PM)esayem Wrote:  The only way this could have happened, and it would have been a long shot:

Before they added Dixie St. and Tarletan St., two programs with no business being D1, they should have reached out to BYU again. BYU plus seven of the top MWC schools to form a new version of the MWC without the football fat. Football revenue would not be shared with the non-football members. Sure, NMSU is included, but their basketball makes it worth it. Then simply vote out Chicago St.

Hypothetically you’d have:

Air Force
Colorado St.
Wyoming
BYU
Boise
San Diego St.
UNLV
New Mexico
NMSU
*Cal Baptist
*Grand Canyon
*Seattle
*UTRGV
*Utah Valley

*non-football

Why in the heck would any of the MWC want this? It would serve no purpose for them and be a downgrade. If they really wanted any of them to be conference mates, they could just invite them.

This is DavidSt level

Thanks for the complement!

The purpose was to create a football conference that would be more appealing than the current MWC due to a greater payout with BYU and less mouths to feed. Make sense?

More appealing by pissing off the TV folks, adding more putrid "schools", and splitting less money more ways?

I’m not really sure why people don’t read here.

I illustrated the only way WAC football could have happened at the FBS level, and it would have needed BYU. Also, it was predicated on the fact that they needed to act before inviting Dixie and Tarleton; neither belong in DI.

Also, the money wouldn’t be split less with football schools, because it wouldn’t include the “putrid” all-sports schools.

Make sense?
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RE: NMSU AD on WAC FBS FB "It's on the docket to be discussed..there's some smoke...
(05-09-2020 09:21 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(05-09-2020 05:28 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(05-09-2020 04:14 PM)NoDak Wrote:  For two years, my story has stayed the same but yet Ice been labeled an idiot.

The same posters that have sent the insults flying to me, just come up with some last minute fictional scenarios that don't make any sense and it's ok to those dufoses.

In fairness to NoDak, every FBS WAC on this thread has been just as dumb as any NoDak scheme. The posters on this thread are putting out scenarios that don't make a lot of sense--but the posters aren't declaring their harebrained schemes to be lead pipe locks to happen Real Soon Now.

What makes you a target, NoDak, is that you declare that you have inside, certain knowledge of what's going to happen. The Great Northern is not a bad idea for a conference. There's a logic to putting the flagships-and-landgrants of the northern Great Plains together. But you can't let it rest there.

It's not that your ideas are bad. It's that you declare your ideas as Things That Will Happen, Just You Wait, and you have this unshakeable conviction that the Montanas desperately want to align with the Dakota 4, and everything that happens is all part of the Plan, or misdirection to throw people off the scent of the Plan.

And no consideration is given to any evidence that things aren't moving in the direction of the Plan. No consideration of the question why the current FBS schools would want to share with another 10 or 20 or 30 upgrades (Summit, ASUN, WAC). No reflection on the idea that maybe a conference that is recruiting schools from D2 and D3 (St Thomas, Augustana to Summit) isn't in a position to pull off a hare-brained scheme to upgrade itself to FBS. No consideration of what it takes to actually get a school to leave--Western Illinois will just leave the Summit to get out of the way of the Plan.

And considering that many posters on this board remember how you were adamant that things were definitely going to happen for 2020.

Googling up a post, csnbbs nodak North Dakota FBS 2020. Going fishing.

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Quote:RE: The Great Northern Conference - NoDak - 06-01-2018 08:50 PM

There is so much BS on this thread that is not worth responding to.

Everything is still set. The WAC will get Southland and California FCS teams by July 1st but won’t move until 2020. There is legitimate concern that California’s legislature will pass some BS bill that will harm any FCS school athletic budget attempting to move up. The California schools don’t want to give time to the legislature to upend their plans.

Big Sky teams will still move to the Summit and it shed their eastern teams with the same timeline.

The Atlantic Sun will still expand with wannabe FBS schools and shed NJIT and Lipscomb.

The FBS conference moveup rule doesn’t matter until at least FBS transitions start.

All of these league will still be FCS in 2020. The objective is to qualify for FBS by 2024 to be included the the next CFB contract.

Tarleton St did not get an invite from the WAC but will get a Southland invite next year. Have said Tarleton St to the WAC was just a ruse all along, but was mocked for it here. Tarleton needs to play football in the Southland in a bus league. The Southland will soon need to plan for more fb schools to replace those going the the WAC.

UTRGV still hasn’t announced their new fb team yet. That will happen when the WAC invites FCS teams that will later upgrade to FBS. UTRGV will upgrade to FBS on the same timeline as UTSA.

"Everything is still set." Okay, let's look at the scoreboard on this post two years later.

Quote:The WAC will get Southland and California FCS teams by July 1st but won’t move until 2020.

That didn't happen.

Quote:There is legitimate concern that California’s legislature will pass some BS bill that will harm any FCS school athletic budget attempting to move up. The California schools don’t want to give time to the legislature to upend their plans.

I don't think California's legislature has passed any bills lately that had much to do with UC/Cal State schools upgrading from FCS to FBS.

But the failed prediction isn't why NoDak is a laughingstock. It's the ironclad certainty that he knows the inner workings and deliberations of the California FCS schools (among so many others) better than, say, the chumps in the California legislature who were having the wool pulled over their eyes.

Maybe, just maybe, it's not (whatever complicated X-Files explanation NoDak comes up with for why he was right about this all along). Maybe NoDak just doesn't particularly know anything and is guessing and hoping.

Quote:Big Sky teams will still move to the Summit and it shed their eastern teams with the same timeline.

Let's check wikipedia. What Big Sky teams have moved to the Summit in the past two years? I'm thinking it's "NONE, ZERO, NoDak is Wrong AGAIN" but let me check.

Let's look the second half of that sentence. "The Summit will shed their eastern teams" NoDak scores here--Fort Wayne has left the Summit for the Horizon League. On the other hand, Western Illinois hasn't gone anywhere. The Horizon is *probably* looking for a No. 12, but I don't see any reason to believe it's Western Illinois--Macomb makes Fort Wayne look like Fort Worth.

Quote:The Atlantic Sun will still expand with wannabe FBS schools...
I'm going out on a limb and saying you didn't mean Bellarmine.
Quote:...and shed NJIT and Lipscomb.
Or, you know, not.

Quote:The FBS conference moveup rule doesn’t matter until at least FBS transitions start.

All of these league will still be FCS in 2020.

NoDak SCORES! All of these leagues ARE still FCS in 2020. Well, technically, the ASun and Summit aren't FCS, but let's give him this one.

Quote:The objective is to qualify for FBS by 2024 to be included the the next CFB contract.
Well, maybe. Based on your batting average in this post so far, about 1.5/6, let's say there's a 25% chance that the objective is to be FBS by 2024.

Quote:Tarleton St did not get an invite from the WAC but will get a Southland invite next year. Have said Tarleton St to the WAC was just a ruse all along, but was mocked for it here.

And rightly so. The idea that a Division 2 Texas school would need some cloak-and-dagger black propaganda smokescreen to upgrade to the Southland Conference was, and is, very stupid.

To your great surprise I'm sure, the negotiations between Tarleton State and the WAC were not in fact about some byzantine Disney-Channel-sitcom-quality scheme to get Tarleton into the Southland. They were, in fact, about Tarleton STate joining the WAC.

Quote:Tarleton needs to play football in the Southland in a bus league.
That would be nice for Tarleton, but that doesn't seem to be the Southland's problem.

Quote:The Southland will soon need to plan for more fb schools to replace those going the the WAC.

No, they didn;'t and they don't.

Quote:UTRGV still hasn’t announced their new fb team yet. That will happen when the WAC invites FCS teams that will later upgrade to FBS. UTRGV will upgrade to FBS on the same timeline as UTSA.

Hard to score this one. On the one hand, RGV hasn't done anything. On the other hand, the WAC hasn't invited any FCS teams that will later upgrade to FBS.

Those precocious notes just tell me that this moderator doesn't know ****, is wling to lie and deceive to prove his points, has extensive backups to defend his moderator status.

My biggest mistake was stating in 2118 that the Big Sky would announce publicly that is was going to split. It only had to privAtely announce to the other schools.

But the soon the t o be Presidents have all approved massive checks for FBS facilities that this board has ignored but those are ignored by this board. The Big Sky has purpursely misguided the public because they don't want their plans going public, at least to dumbasses.

I will make a bet with johnbragg, if their isn't two new FBS conferences planned by this May 30th. I will resign from this board. If there is, you will resign as a moderator.

First instinct is, sure, fine, whatever. But Nerdlinger is right--there has to be some public announcement of an FBS plan. Not some secret plan that only NoDak knows about, because the "Big Sky doesn't want their plans going public". SMDH.

The A-Sun has announced a "plan" to do--something with their "United Athletic Conference". I don't think that qualifies, but I'm sure NoDak does.

So let's cut to the heart of the matter. When will Montana announce a move to a conference that does not include Southern Utah? (Or is SUU going to be FBS too, why not?) That's the bet. NoDak can pick the timeframe.
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(05-09-2020 02:33 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(05-09-2020 12:46 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  The only path I see to a FBS conference for NMSU is to invite Texas State and 6 members of Conference USA. Tarleton State and UT-RGV then move up to FBS at time tables that make sense for them.

The issue for the WAC is they need to cut Seattle, Cal Baptist, Grand Canyon, Dixie State, Utah Valley, and Chicago State. If would make more sense to reorganize with the Big Sky into two FCS conferences.

WAC: Cal Baptist (no fb), Grand Canyon (no fb), Dixie State, Northern Arizona, Northern Colorado, Weber State, Sacramento State, Tarleton State, UTRGV, New Mexico State (FBS).

Big Sky: Seattle (no fb), Utah Valley, (no fb), Eastern Washington, Portland State, Idaho, Idaho State, Montana, Montana State

You can tack on UC Davis and Cal Poly as affiliates wherever.

So the issue for the 9 members of the WAC is that they need to get rid of 6 of themselves? 03-wink

Well, that WOULD be a good point if a conference was a membership owned cooperative rather than a commercial corporation ...

... oh, wait a minute ...

... a conference IS a membership owned cooperative ... which I guess implies that this is, indeed a good point.

You have to have a system which meets the needs of a super-majority of the members, and if it kicks ANY members to the curb, it's got to be a "cash on the barrel head" kind of benefit, not a speculative "opportunity to exploit this market niche I imagine exists".

If you want to do something with the "WAC loophole" which doesn't involve the current WAC members ... it's going to entail paying the current WAC membership a sufficient sum of money for them to agree to a swap of conference memberhips ... that is, inviting all members of some other conference contingent on that other conference inviting all members of the WAC and the WAC members all accepting that invitation.

And you add something like that to the pot, you have increased the gross income gain your new system need to hit in order to be viable, because there is no reason for the current WAC members to go through that unless it's for an attractive payday.
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(05-09-2020 05:28 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(05-09-2020 04:14 PM)NoDak Wrote:  For two years, my story has stayed the same but yet Ice been labeled an idiot.

The same posters that have sent the insults flying to me, just come up with some last minute fictional scenarios that don't make any sense and it's ok to those dufoses.

In fairness to NoDak, every FBS WAC on this thread has been just as dumb as any NoDak scheme. The posters on this thread are putting out scenarios that don't make a lot of sense--but the posters aren't declaring their harebrained schemes to be lead pipe locks to happen Real Soon Now.

What makes you a target, NoDak, is that you declare that you have inside, certain knowledge of what's going to happen. The Great Northern is not a bad idea for a conference. There's a logic to putting the flagships-and-landgrants of the northern Great Plains together. But you can't let it rest there.

It's not that your ideas are bad. It's that you declare your ideas as Things That Will Happen, Just You Wait, and you have this unshakeable conviction that the Montanas desperately want to align with the Dakota 4, and everything that happens is all part of the Plan, or misdirection to throw people off the scent of the Plan.

And no consideration is given to any evidence that things aren't moving in the direction of the Plan. No consideration of the question why the current FBS schools would want to share with another 10 or 20 or 30 upgrades (Summit, ASUN, WAC). No reflection on the idea that maybe a conference that is recruiting schools from D2 and D3 (St Thomas, Augustana to Summit) isn't in a position to pull off a hare-brained scheme to upgrade itself to FBS. No consideration of what it takes to actually get a school to leave--Western Illinois will just leave the Summit to get out of the way of the Plan.

And considering that many posters on this board remember how you were adamant that things were definitely going to happen for 2020.

Googling up a post, csnbbs nodak North Dakota FBS 2020. Going fishing.

Google archive of one thread among many

Quote:RE: The Great Northern Conference - NoDak - 06-01-2018 08:50 PM

There is so much BS on this thread that is not worth responding to.

Everything is still set. The WAC will get Southland and California FCS teams by July 1st but won’t move until 2020. There is legitimate concern that California’s legislature will pass some BS bill that will harm any FCS school athletic budget attempting to move up. The California schools don’t want to give time to the legislature to upend their plans.

Big Sky teams will still move to the Summit and it shed their eastern teams with the same timeline.

The Atlantic Sun will still expand with wannabe FBS schools and shed NJIT and Lipscomb.

The FBS conference moveup rule doesn’t matter until at least FBS transitions start.

All of these league will still be FCS in 2020. The objective is to qualify for FBS by 2024 to be included the the next CFB contract.

Tarleton St did not get an invite from the WAC but will get a Southland invite next year. Have said Tarleton St to the WAC was just a ruse all along, but was mocked for it here. Tarleton needs to play football in the Southland in a bus league. The Southland will soon need to plan for more fb schools to replace those going the the WAC.

UTRGV still hasn’t announced their new fb team yet. That will happen when the WAC invites FCS teams that will later upgrade to FBS. UTRGV will upgrade to FBS on the same timeline as UTSA.

"Everything is still set." Okay, let's look at the scoreboard on this post two years later.

Quote:The WAC will get Southland and California FCS teams by July 1st but won’t move until 2020.

That didn't happen.

Quote:There is legitimate concern that California’s legislature will pass some BS bill that will harm any FCS school athletic budget attempting to move up. The California schools don’t want to give time to the legislature to upend their plans.

I don't think California's legislature has passed any bills lately that had much to do with UC/Cal State schools upgrading from FCS to FBS.

But the failed prediction isn't why NoDak is a laughingstock. It's the ironclad certainty that he knows the inner workings and deliberations of the California FCS schools (among so many others) better than, say, the chumps in the California legislature who were having the wool pulled over their eyes.

Maybe, just maybe, it's not (whatever complicated X-Files explanation NoDak comes up with for why he was right about this all along). Maybe NoDak just doesn't particularly know anything and is guessing and hoping.

Quote:Big Sky teams will still move to the Summit and it shed their eastern teams with the same timeline.

Let's check wikipedia. What Big Sky teams have moved to the Summit in the past two years? I'm thinking it's "NONE, ZERO, NoDak is Wrong AGAIN" but let me check.

Let's look the second half of that sentence. "The Summit will shed their eastern teams" NoDak scores here--Fort Wayne has left the Summit for the Horizon League. On the other hand, Western Illinois hasn't gone anywhere. The Horizon is *probably* looking for a No. 12, but I don't see any reason to believe it's Western Illinois--Macomb makes Fort Wayne look like Fort Worth.

Quote:The Atlantic Sun will still expand with wannabe FBS schools...
I'm going out on a limb and saying you didn't mean Bellarmine.
Quote:...and shed NJIT and Lipscomb.
Or, you know, not.

Quote:The FBS conference moveup rule doesn’t matter until at least FBS transitions start.

All of these league will still be FCS in 2020.

NoDak SCORES! All of these leagues ARE still FCS in 2020. Well, technically, the ASun and Summit aren't FCS, but let's give him this one.

Quote:The objective is to qualify for FBS by 2024 to be included the the next CFB contract.
Well, maybe. Based on your batting average in this post so far, about 1.5/6, let's say there's a 25% chance that the objective is to be FBS by 2024.

Quote:Tarleton St did not get an invite from the WAC but will get a Southland invite next year. Have said Tarleton St to the WAC was just a ruse all along, but was mocked for it here.

And rightly so. The idea that a Division 2 Texas school would need some cloak-and-dagger black propaganda smokescreen to upgrade to the Southland Conference was, and is, very stupid.

To your great surprise I'm sure, the negotiations between Tarleton State and the WAC were not in fact about some byzantine Disney-Channel-sitcom-quality scheme to get Tarleton into the Southland. They were, in fact, about Tarleton STate joining the WAC.

Quote:Tarleton needs to play football in the Southland in a bus league.
That would be nice for Tarleton, but that doesn't seem to be the Southland's problem.

Quote:The Southland will soon need to plan for more fb schools to replace those going the the WAC.

No, they didn;'t and they don't.

Quote:UTRGV still hasn’t announced their new fb team yet. That will happen when the WAC invites FCS teams that will later upgrade to FBS. UTRGV will upgrade to FBS on the same timeline as UTSA.

Hard to score this one. On the one hand, RGV hasn't done anything. On the other hand, the WAC hasn't invited any FCS teams that will later upgrade to FBS.


At the same time, I was saying the WAC will invite Tarleton State which NoDak blew that off. I tend to be more correct than NoDak's fantasies.
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(05-09-2020 10:11 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(05-09-2020 09:21 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(05-09-2020 05:28 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(05-09-2020 04:14 PM)NoDak Wrote:  For two years, my story has stayed the same but yet Ice been labeled an idiot.

The same posters that have sent the insults flying to me, just come up with some last minute fictional scenarios that don't make any sense and it's ok to those dufoses.

In fairness to NoDak, every FBS WAC on this thread has been just as dumb as any NoDak scheme. The posters on this thread are putting out scenarios that don't make a lot of sense--but the posters aren't declaring their harebrained schemes to be lead pipe locks to happen Real Soon Now.

What makes you a target, NoDak, is that you declare that you have inside, certain knowledge of what's going to happen. The Great Northern is not a bad idea for a conference. There's a logic to putting the flagships-and-landgrants of the northern Great Plains together. But you can't let it rest there.

It's not that your ideas are bad. It's that you declare your ideas as Things That Will Happen, Just You Wait, and you have this unshakeable conviction that the Montanas desperately want to align with the Dakota 4, and everything that happens is all part of the Plan, or misdirection to throw people off the scent of the Plan.

And no consideration is given to any evidence that things aren't moving in the direction of the Plan. No consideration of the question why the current FBS schools would want to share with another 10 or 20 or 30 upgrades (Summit, ASUN, WAC). No reflection on the idea that maybe a conference that is recruiting schools from D2 and D3 (St Thomas, Augustana to Summit) isn't in a position to pull off a hare-brained scheme to upgrade itself to FBS. No consideration of what it takes to actually get a school to leave--Western Illinois will just leave the Summit to get out of the way of the Plan.

And considering that many posters on this board remember how you were adamant that things were definitely going to happen for 2020.

Googling up a post, csnbbs nodak North Dakota FBS 2020. Going fishing.

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Quote:RE: The Great Northern Conference - NoDak - 06-01-2018 08:50 PM

There is so much BS on this thread that is not worth responding to.

Everything is still set. The WAC will get Southland and California FCS teams by July 1st but won’t move until 2020. There is legitimate concern that California’s legislature will pass some BS bill that will harm any FCS school athletic budget attempting to move up. The California schools don’t want to give time to the legislature to upend their plans.

Big Sky teams will still move to the Summit and it shed their eastern teams with the same timeline.

The Atlantic Sun will still expand with wannabe FBS schools and shed NJIT and Lipscomb.

The FBS conference moveup rule doesn’t matter until at least FBS transitions start.

All of these league will still be FCS in 2020. The objective is to qualify for FBS by 2024 to be included the the next CFB contract.

Tarleton St did not get an invite from the WAC but will get a Southland invite next year. Have said Tarleton St to the WAC was just a ruse all along, but was mocked for it here. Tarleton needs to play football in the Southland in a bus league. The Southland will soon need to plan for more fb schools to replace those going the the WAC.

UTRGV still hasn’t announced their new fb team yet. That will happen when the WAC invites FCS teams that will later upgrade to FBS. UTRGV will upgrade to FBS on the same timeline as UTSA.

"Everything is still set." Okay, let's look at the scoreboard on this post two years later.

Quote:The WAC will get Southland and California FCS teams by July 1st but won’t move until 2020.

That didn't happen.

Quote:There is legitimate concern that California’s legislature will pass some BS bill that will harm any FCS school athletic budget attempting to move up. The California schools don’t want to give time to the legislature to upend their plans.

I don't think California's legislature has passed any bills lately that had much to do with UC/Cal State schools upgrading from FCS to FBS.

But the failed prediction isn't why NoDak is a laughingstock. It's the ironclad certainty that he knows the inner workings and deliberations of the California FCS schools (among so many others) better than, say, the chumps in the California legislature who were having the wool pulled over their eyes.

Maybe, just maybe, it's not (whatever complicated X-Files explanation NoDak comes up with for why he was right about this all along). Maybe NoDak just doesn't particularly know anything and is guessing and hoping.

Quote:Big Sky teams will still move to the Summit and it shed their eastern teams with the same timeline.

Let's check wikipedia. What Big Sky teams have moved to the Summit in the past two years? I'm thinking it's "NONE, ZERO, NoDak is Wrong AGAIN" but let me check.

Let's look the second half of that sentence. "The Summit will shed their eastern teams" NoDak scores here--Fort Wayne has left the Summit for the Horizon League. On the other hand, Western Illinois hasn't gone anywhere. The Horizon is *probably* looking for a No. 12, but I don't see any reason to believe it's Western Illinois--Macomb makes Fort Wayne look like Fort Worth.

Quote:The Atlantic Sun will still expand with wannabe FBS schools...
I'm going out on a limb and saying you didn't mean Bellarmine.
Quote:...and shed NJIT and Lipscomb.
Or, you know, not.

Quote:The FBS conference moveup rule doesn’t matter until at least FBS transitions start.

All of these league will still be FCS in 2020.

NoDak SCORES! All of these leagues ARE still FCS in 2020. Well, technically, the ASun and Summit aren't FCS, but let's give him this one.

Quote:The objective is to qualify for FBS by 2024 to be included the the next CFB contract.
Well, maybe. Based on your batting average in this post so far, about 1.5/6, let's say there's a 25% chance that the objective is to be FBS by 2024.

Quote:Tarleton St did not get an invite from the WAC but will get a Southland invite next year. Have said Tarleton St to the WAC was just a ruse all along, but was mocked for it here.

And rightly so. The idea that a Division 2 Texas school would need some cloak-and-dagger black propaganda smokescreen to upgrade to the Southland Conference was, and is, very stupid.

To your great surprise I'm sure, the negotiations between Tarleton State and the WAC were not in fact about some byzantine Disney-Channel-sitcom-quality scheme to get Tarleton into the Southland. They were, in fact, about Tarleton STate joining the WAC.

Quote:Tarleton needs to play football in the Southland in a bus league.
That would be nice for Tarleton, but that doesn't seem to be the Southland's problem.

Quote:The Southland will soon need to plan for more fb schools to replace those going the the WAC.

No, they didn;'t and they don't.

Quote:UTRGV still hasn’t announced their new fb team yet. That will happen when the WAC invites FCS teams that will later upgrade to FBS. UTRGV will upgrade to FBS on the same timeline as UTSA.

Hard to score this one. On the one hand, RGV hasn't done anything. On the other hand, the WAC hasn't invited any FCS teams that will later upgrade to FBS.

Those precocious notes just tell me that this moderator doesn't know ****, is wling to lie and deceive to prove his points, has extensive backups to defend his moderator status.

My biggest mistake was stating in 2118 that the Big Sky would announce publicly that is was going to split. It only had to privAtely announce to the other schools.

But the soon the t o be Presidents have all approved massive checks for FBS facilities that this board has ignored but those are ignored by this board. The Big Sky has purpursely misguided the public because they don't want their plans going public, at least to dumbasses.

I will make a bet with johnbragg, if their isn't two new FBS conferences planned by this May 30th. I will resign from this board. If there is, you will resign as a moderator.

First instinct is, sure, fine, whatever. But Nerdlinger is right--there has to be some public announcement of an FBS plan. Not some secret plan that only NoDak knows about, because the "Big Sky doesn't want their plans going public". SMDH.

The A-Sun has announced a "plan" to do--something with their "United Athletic Conference". I don't think that qualifies, but I'm sure NoDak does.

So let's cut to the heart of the matter. When will Montana announce a move to a conference that does not include Southern Utah? (Or is SUU going to be FBS too, why not?) That's the bet. NoDak can pick the timeframe.


I got a sense that when Dixie State announced an upgrade to their football stadium to seat 15,000 and had donors lined up? They were screaming FBS as the goal. I could see them move there quicker than several Big Sky schools.
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(05-08-2020 10:26 AM)Once a Knight... Wrote:  How would the WAC be able to restart FBS football?

I’m thinking FCS is the only way. Either New Mexico St drops down or chooses to remain FBS. Let’s say they drop, other schools with football: Dixie St and Tarleton St. That’s it - 3. Perhaps the Big Sky wants to shed UC Davis and Cal Poly as affiliates? Perhaps San Diego could offer scholarships and join for football? That would still only be 6 assuming New Mexico St dropped down.

University of San Diego has nowhere to play FBS football. They play in a 6,000 seat stadium that is boxed in by a major road on one side and their basketball arena on the other.

There's only one bigger stadium in the whole county, and it's the one where SDSU plays. SDSU does not want FBS competition in town.

If they want a new or expanded stadium, getting approval for a large stadium in southern CA requires more political pull than U of San Diego has. The much bigger and much better connected SDSU has spent 5 years and two county-wide referendums acquiring land and approvals for a 35,000 seat stadium, and they haven't even finalized the land acquisition yet.

Even if U of San Diego could pull it off, they shouldn't. With only 7,400 students, they would be one of the smallest schools in FBS.

USD wouldn't have to deal with the politics that SDSU did. USD would just need to buy land and build a stadium (assuming they could raise the funds to do so and find land nearby, which they probably can't). Their best option would probably be to partner up with the City (or SDUSD, I don't recall who owns it now) and renovate/expand Balboa Stadium.

SDSU had to buy publicly owned land and compete with some fake MLS nonsense which is why they had so many hoops to jump through.

There is no such thing as "just buying land and building a stadium" in Southern California. Almost every large construction project ends up in a county-wide referendum. Three years ago when I lived in a suburb of San Diego, my November ballot included 4 residential construction referendums.

The MLS bid to buy Qualcomm Stadium ended in 2017 when they lost the first referendum. Almost 3 years later, SDSU still doesn't even own the land yet.

Balboa Stadium is a high school stadium in downtown, 10 minutes away from USD (if there's no traffic). The location is not ideal for USD. It's owned by the city and leased by the San Diego school district. It's heavily used by the high school, so that would involve even more politics than the Qualcomm deal.

I grew up in SD so I am well aware of this. And yes, for a private entity such as USD it is "just buying land and building a stadium". SDSU's problem in their stadium debacle is that their leadership was always content to just sit back and lease out a City owned stadium the Chargers used instead of getting off their ass and getting their own stadium built. There was always plenty of land at the Qualcomm site (or on campus before they used it all up), they just never actively went after a piece of it until the Chargers bailed. Instead of getting something done decades ago at a fraction of today's cost, they are now in their current situation. That's their fault.

Balboa Stadium would be more than ideal for USD. It was originally a 15k capacity stadium and then expanded (twice) to 34k capacity stadium (Chargers originally played there). If USD showed up to the City with a truck full of cash for renovations/expansion, you can damn well bet they would be able to work out an agreement with the City and SDUSD. Doesn't really matter though, I don't see USD ever having plans for FBS FB and their current on campus stadium is more than adequate for non-schollie FCS FB.
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To be honest, I'm surprised NoDak didn't just use the pandemic as an out to his harebrained "Plan". Instead he's quadrupling down on it all happening this month.

Wow...just wow...
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WAC Football Conference in 2-5 years

Tarleton
WTAMU
SFA
SHSU
UTRGV
IWU
HBU
Dixie State
NMSU
TAMU-CC
Lamar
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(05-10-2020 12:55 PM)wisdomgymrat Wrote:  WAC Football Conference in 2-5 years

Tarleton
WTAMU
SFA
SHSU
UTRGV
IWU
HBU
Dixie State
NMSU
TAMU-CC
Lamar

1 D-II move up, 2 start-up programs, and 6 Southland schools moving to the WAC which is every Texas Southland school except for Abilene Christian...?
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(05-10-2020 12:55 PM)wisdomgymrat Wrote:  WAC Football Conference in 2-5 years

Tarleton
WTAMU
SFA
SHSU
UTRGV
IWU (FYI ... it's UIW)
HBU
Dixie State
NMSU
TAMU-CC
Lamar

So I guess NMSU is dropping down to FCS for this.
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(05-10-2020 12:55 PM)wisdomgymrat Wrote:  WAC Football Conference in 2-5 years

Tarleton
WTAMU
SFA
SHSU
UTRGV
IWU (FYI ... it's UIW)
HBU
Dixie State
NMSU
TAMU-CC
Lamar

So I guess NMSU is dropping down to FCS for this.

Frankly, NMSU to FCS is more likely than an FBS WAC in the next 10 years. maybe 10% vs 2%, but NMSU to FCS only requires an NMSU decision, plus an FCS conference. FBS WAC requires a whole lot of dominoes to fall the right way.
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(05-10-2020 02:13 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(05-10-2020 01:56 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  
(05-10-2020 12:55 PM)wisdomgymrat Wrote:  WAC Football Conference in 2-5 years

Tarleton
WTAMU
SFA
SHSU
UTRGV
IWU (FYI ... it's UIW)
HBU
Dixie State
NMSU
TAMU-CC
Lamar

So I guess NMSU is dropping down to FCS for this.

Frankly, NMSU to FCS is more likely than an FBS WAC in the next 10 years. maybe 10% vs 2%, but NMSU to FCS only requires an NMSU decision, plus an FCS conference. FBS WAC requires a whole lot of dominoes to fall the right way.

New Mexico St is likely a FCS school in a decade. It won't happen but I'd like to see these football conferences with schools already D-I...

Big Sky: Eastern Washington, Portland St, Idaho, Idaho St, Montana, Montana St, Sacramento St, Weber St

WAC: Cal Poly (affiliate), UC Davis (affiliate), Northern Arizona, Southern Utah, Dixie St, Northern Colorado, New Mexico St, Tarleton St
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