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(12-03-2020 01:35 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(12-03-2020 01:32 PM)coachpipe Wrote:  

(12-03-2020 01:16 PM)levydl Wrote:  

(12-03-2020 12:31 PM)coachpipe Wrote:  I think yesterday gave us a good indication of where minutes will go

DDJ-35 minutes
KW-35 Minutes
MAW-30-35 minutes
Rap-20-25 minutes
Vogt-30-35 minutes
Harvey-15-20 minutes
Davenport-10-20 minutes
Tari- 10-20 minutes

Anything leftover will go to Dou,Gabe,Mason,Saunders.

I hadn't seen DeJulius before, and this was just one game, but he does not look to me like a guy who should be getting all-but-a-couple-breathers minutes. He was competent, but his shot looked shaky, and he was not particularly explosive or creative. Maybe I was expecting too much out of him, maybe he's the real deal and will show it going forward, we'll see.

36% 3 point shooter last year at michigan on 83 attempts. Over a 2-1 assist to TO as the backup PG(who played mostly off ball because of who simpson). The guy is going to be a very competent PG on both ends of the floor the next 2 years(maybe 3 if he decides to take advantage of this year not counting). The other side of things is, UC doesnt have anyone that will take his minutes. MAW is the only other guy on the roster that coach will trust getting valuable minutes at the PG spot.

Yeah...I don't know how you see his game and think he isn't going to be on the court for most of the game. He had an 8/6/4 line with no TOs...he reminds me of a more physical Justin Jenifer after that game. If he can give us that line every game I'll be thrilled.

He’s going on 22 years old. Has the role of the grown assed man out there showing a lot of these kids how to do it. He’s going to play as much as possible on this roster.

(12-03-2020 12:31 PM)coachpipe Wrote:  

(12-03-2020 11:17 AM)Helicopter Wrote:  

(12-02-2020 07:22 PM)RealDeal Wrote:  I really like the pieces.
Dejulis really looks the part. Hit that floater and then caused a turnover with great ball pressure. His late 3 made his numbers look better but he looks like the veteran lead guard you want. I believe he played the entire second half and got better as the game moved along.

MAW was great. Nothing much else to be said.

Davenport changed the game. When others go small we can't play Rap and Vogt together. Once that guy fouled out Davenport became the best fit being more of a combo forward. Maybe that role becomes Eason later in the year but it's good to have Davenport's energy to lift the team.

Harvey's minutes at the beginning of the second half were key to keeping us in it. I was surprised he didn't play any after Keith came back. I get it but I thought there should have been an opportunity to get a couple more minutes. The Dejulis, MAW, Harvey trio can be one of the best perimeter defensive groups in the country.

KW was inconsistent which means he'll probably dominate Sunday. I don't think he's consistent enough to be the best player on a good team. If we're going to be a threat at the end of the season I think someone else needs to be our best player.

Excited to see this team grow!

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Does it feel like we have too many pieces? I don't really mind losing some games if it lets us figure out good combinations. This team reminds me of Huggins' last few teams here 03-04. Not really a starting 5 but and interchangeable 10.

I think yesterday gave us a good indication of where minutes will go

DDJ-35 minutes
KW-35 Minutes
MAW-30-35 minutes
Rap-20-25 minutes
Vogt-30-35 minutes
Harvey-15-20 minutes
Davenport-10-20 minutes
Tari- 10-20 minutes

Anything leftover will go to Dou,Gabe,Mason,Saunders.

Which is crazy because articles I was reading right before the season indicated Saunders was the early favorite amongst the freshman to see extended playing time behind DDJ and Dou would take the next step.

(12-03-2020 12:31 PM)RealDeal Wrote:  

(12-03-2020 11:17 AM)Helicopter Wrote:  Does it feel like we have too many pieces? I don't really mind losing some games if it lets us figure out good combinations. This team reminds me of Huggins' last few teams here 03-04. Not really a starting 5 but and interchangeable 10.

I understand the question but you're comparing a finished product to game #1 of a new team. Having a lot of good players is a good thing. But I would agree that by the end of the year I'd like to have a consistent #1 player. I have no reason to think they roles won't become well defined as the season goes along.

Oh I agree. Best thing Brannen can do is have no loyalty and let the best players get playing time. It might be a really exciting season.

(12-03-2020 01:16 PM)levydl Wrote:  

(12-03-2020 12:31 PM)coachpipe Wrote:  I think yesterday gave us a good indication of where minutes will go

DDJ-35 minutes
KW-35 Minutes
MAW-30-35 minutes
Rap-20-25 minutes
Vogt-30-35 minutes
Harvey-15-20 minutes
Davenport-10-20 minutes
Tari- 10-20 minutes

Anything leftover will go to Dou,Gabe,Mason,Saunders.

I hadn't seen DeJulius before, and this was just one game, but he does not look to me like a guy who should be getting all-but-a-couple-breathers minutes. He was competent, but his shot looked shaky, and he was not particularly explosive or creative. Maybe I was expecting too much out of him, maybe he's the real deal and will show it going forward, we'll see.

He had great handles and didn't make bad decisions. That shot was whack but I lived through Jihad Muhammed and JJ's moonball. I can handle a rusty 3 from my PG if he gives me 0 TOs.

(12-03-2020 05:44 PM)Helicopter Wrote:  

(12-03-2020 12:31 PM)coachpipe Wrote:  

(12-03-2020 11:17 AM)Helicopter Wrote:  

(12-02-2020 07:22 PM)RealDeal Wrote:  I really like the pieces.
Dejulis really looks the part. Hit that floater and then caused a turnover with great ball pressure. His late 3 made his numbers look better but he looks like the veteran lead guard you want. I believe he played the entire second half and got better as the game moved along.

MAW was great. Nothing much else to be said.

Davenport changed the game. When others go small we can't play Rap and Vogt together. Once that guy fouled out Davenport became the best fit being more of a combo forward. Maybe that role becomes Eason later in the year but it's good to have Davenport's energy to lift the team.

Harvey's minutes at the beginning of the second half were key to keeping us in it. I was surprised he didn't play any after Keith came back. I get it but I thought there should have been an opportunity to get a couple more minutes. The Dejulis, MAW, Harvey trio can be one of the best perimeter defensive groups in the country.

KW was inconsistent which means he'll probably dominate Sunday. I don't think he's consistent enough to be the best player on a good team. If we're going to be a threat at the end of the season I think someone else needs to be our best player.

Excited to see this team grow!

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Does it feel like we have too many pieces? I don't really mind losing some games if it lets us figure out good combinations. This team reminds me of Huggins' last few teams here 03-04. Not really a starting 5 but and interchangeable 10.

I think yesterday gave us a good indication of where minutes will go

DDJ-35 minutes
KW-35 Minutes
MAW-30-35 minutes
Rap-20-25 minutes
Vogt-30-35 minutes
Harvey-15-20 minutes
Davenport-10-20 minutes
Tari- 10-20 minutes

Anything leftover will go to Dou,Gabe,Mason,Saunders.

Which is crazy because articles I was reading right before the season indicated Saunders was the early favorite amongst the freshman to see extended playing time behind DDJ and Dou would take the next step.

Since noone has been allowed in practice im going to assume most of those comments were also assumptions.

Rule number 1...be a tad skeptical of what you are told before the season.
I’m still waiting to hear that the Russian kid is unguardable in practice. Lol.

Brannen sorta referenced Saunders in the post game under the heading young guys who are still trying to figure out where then need to be on both ends of the court.

Dejulius is going to cannibalize those guard minutes.

(12-04-2020 07:39 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Rule number 1...be a tad skeptical of what you are told before the season.
I’m still waiting to hear that the Russian kid is unguardable in practice. Lol.

Brannen sorta referenced Saunders in the post game under the heading young guys who are still trying to figure out where then need to be on both ends of the court.

Dejulius is going to cannibalize those guard minutes.

I heard that about the Russian kid from people who attended the deveros summer league games....right????

I don't think anyone expected Mikey to contribute right away. I see Tari being a solid role player by March and I think Gabe will maybe have a signficant role. That's it for the freshmen.

We know football coaches talk about the major progression from game one to game two each new season. Should we expect to see a similar progression Sunday for the basketball team? Certainly the closing eight minutes or so on Wednesday night seemed more indicative of this team's capabilities.

(12-04-2020 09:59 AM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  I don't think anyone expected Mikey to contribute right away. I see Tari being a solid role player by March and I think Gabe will maybe have a signficant role. That's it for the freshmen.

See I had been hearing that Mason was more likely of the Madsen twins to get minutes early in his career because of his defense and hustle. Would have been interesting to see if he wasn’t injured, but you just never know until the games are played as someone already pointed out.

(12-04-2020 11:45 AM)C1ncy4Life Wrote:  

(12-04-2020 09:59 AM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  I don't think anyone expected Mikey to contribute right away. I see Tari being a solid role player by March and I think Gabe will maybe have a signficant role. That's it for the freshmen.

See I had been hearing that Mason was more likely of the Madsen twins to get minutes early in his career because of his defense and hustle. Would have been interesting to see if he wasn’t injured, but you just never know until the games are played as someone already pointed out.

I think between Tari, Mikey, and the Madsens, the positions they play this early on will determine how much they see the floor and experience they earn over their level of skill or how "ready" they are to play. Tari clearly has a skill set that sets him apart from the other bigs but is also in an opportune position since he's essentially Rap's only backup.

But Mikey plays behind DDJ at the point guard position, who's probably not going to relinquish more than 5-10 minutes per game. Plus Brannen can easily spell him with the more experienced MAW first before leaning on Mikey. Then the Madsens, injuries or not, are contending with experienced wings in Keith, MAW, Harvey, and Davenport. So just by a factor of being placed behind a logjam of more experienced players, Mikey and the Madsens probably won't see more than 5-10 minutes in any given game this season (cataclysmic injuries, massive blowouts, etc. aside obviously).

(12-04-2020 12:02 PM)cinbinsportsfan Wrote:  

(12-04-2020 11:45 AM)C1ncy4Life Wrote:  

(12-04-2020 09:59 AM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  I don't think anyone expected Mikey to contribute right away. I see Tari being a solid role player by March and I think Gabe will maybe have a signficant role. That's it for the freshmen.

See I had been hearing that Mason was more likely of the Madsen twins to get minutes early in his career because of his defense and hustle. Would have been interesting to see if he wasn’t injured, but you just never know until the games are played as someone already pointed out.

I think between Tari, Mikey, and the Madsens, the positions they play this early on will determine how much they see the floor and experience they earn over their level of skill or how "ready" they are to play. Tari clearly has a skill set that sets him apart from the other bigs but is also in an opportune position since he's essentially Rap's only backup.

But Mikey plays behind DDJ at the point guard position, who's probably not going to relinquish more than 5-10 minutes per game. Plus Brannen can easily spell him with the more experienced MAW first before leaning on Mikey. Then the Madsens, injuries or not, are contending with experienced wings in Keith, MAW, Harvey, and Davenport. So just by a factor of being placed behind a logjam of more experienced players, Mikey and the Madsens probably won't see more than 5-10 minutes in any given game this season (cataclysmic injuries, massive blowouts, etc. aside obviously).

Irrespective of how good this team actually ends up being, it feels like the is the most overall depth we've had in awhile. There's a legitimate or at least promising backup at essentially every position.

Yep, and with Covid you never know when these guys are going to be pressed into bigger minutes. Really hard to say by the end of the season what everyone's contribution is going to be. KW had to get it going. It's his last go round, and he can't "not get involved" for a better way to put it. He's got to be smart every night and keep himself in ballgames and take charge out there offensively. He's kind of a quiet guy, but i recall SK was somewhat similar his first couple years. He's critical if they're going to have a strong year. He tends to get off track if he gets in foul trouble, misses shots etc. Has to play with confidence.

(12-04-2020 01:29 PM)dsquare Wrote:  Yep, and with Covid you never know when these guys are going to be pressed into bigger minutes. Really hard to say by the end of the season what everyone's contribution is going to be. KW had to get it going. It's his last go round, and he can't "not get involved" for a better way to put it. He's got to be smart every night and keep himself in ballgames and take charge out there offensively. He's kind of a quiet guy, but i recall SK was somewhat similar his first couple years. He's critical if they're going to have a strong year. He tends to get off track if he gets in foul trouble, misses shots etc. Has to play with confidence.

It concerns me how much KW can be counted upon. He has had games that I thought were incredible (@ South Florida last year) that I thought would launch him to the next level and carry him toward the NBA draft. But those seem more like occasional peaks rather than a steady progression. I hope I'm wrong--he's an incredible athlete in many ways and will be needed every night if this team hopes to exceed expectations.

(12-04-2020 01:36 PM)OKIcat Wrote:  It concerns me how much KW can be counted upon. He has had games that I thought were incredible (@ South Florida last year) that I thought would launch him to the next level and carry him toward the NBA draft. But those seem more like occasional peaks rather than a steady progression. I hope I'm wrong--he's an incredible athlete in many ways and will be needed every night if this team hopes to exceed expectations.

I don't think he's a legit draft prospect. Not a good enough ball handler or passer. Shooting just average. He's a good athlete in college but he's not a good enough athlete to out athlete pros. And he doesn't use his athleticism to rebound, just had 0 boards in 22 minutes.


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(12-04-2020 06:14 PM)RealDeal Wrote:  

(12-04-2020 01:36 PM)OKIcat Wrote:  It concerns me how much KW can be counted upon. He has had games that I thought were incredible (@ South Florida last year) that I thought would launch him to the next level and carry him toward the NBA draft. But those seem more like occasional peaks rather than a steady progression. I hope I'm wrong--he's an incredible athlete in many ways and will be needed every night if this team hopes to exceed expectations.

I don't think he's a legit draft prospect. Not a good enough ball handler or passer. Shooting just average. He's a good athlete in college but he's not a good enough athlete to out athlete pros. And he doesn't use his athleticism to rebound, just had 0 boards in 22 minutes.


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If he is, he will be able to impose his game on teams this season. It starts Sunday. I'm somewhat skeptical as well obviously, but he still has an entire season in front of him. At his experience level, the days of letting the game come to him are over. He's got to be aggressive on the offensive end with and without the ball. Time will tell.