What I find interesting here is the ADs having their remarks.

From ESPN:

Texas is still throwing barbs publicly which is not what you want to do if you're genuinely interested in resuming the series.

Looks like A&M has more or less moved on and that's reasonable. A&M doesn't need a match-up with Texas as much as UT needs it.

I do expect the series to resume one day, but it appears not anytime soon. There's still too much antipathy.

We offered to keep it going. They said no.

Now they’re having trouble with attendance and ticket sales and want a guaranteed home game sellout they can tie to season ticket sales

I mean look at this home schedule for 2020

South Florida
UTEP
West Virginia
Baylor
TCU
Iowa State

Is it any wonder why they suddenly want the game back?

But they had their chance. At this point there’s zero benefit to us to continue it.

(05-10-2020 11:52 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  We offered to keep it going. They said no.

Now they’re having trouble with attendance and ticket sales and want a guaranteed home game sellout they can tie to season ticket sales

I mean look at this home schedule for 2020

South Florida
UTEP
West Virginia
Baylor
TCU
Iowa State

Is it any wonder why they suddenly want the game back?

But they had their chance. At this point there’s zero benefit to us to continue it.

Ha! I can think of one. If you agreed to play them they might not have to join the SEC to make it happen.

Del Conte's comments came with a not-so-subtle condescending attitude. If he wants to renew the series, being prickly is not the approach.

The SEC doesn't have to acquire arrogant Texas. Let them stay in the B12 or go elsewhere. It's like hiring the most highly credentialed job candidate, but he turns out to be an unbearable troublemaker.

Kansas and Missouri renewing a series is interesting. Kansas may be keeping their future options open.

(05-10-2020 11:52 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  We offered to keep it going. They said no.

Now they’re having trouble with attendance and ticket sales and want a guaranteed home game sellout they can tie to season ticket sales

I mean look at this home schedule for 2020

South Florida
UTEP
West Virginia
Baylor
TCU
Iowa State

Is it any wonder why they suddenly want the game back?

But they had their chance. At this point there’s zero benefit to us to continue it.

Even worse, there may be three losses in that mess!

(05-11-2020 03:14 PM)OdinFrigg Wrote:  Del Conte's comments came with a not-so-subtle condescending attitude. If he wants to renew the series, being prickly is not the approach.

The SEC doesn't have to acquire arrogant Texas. Let them stay in the B12 or go elsewhere. It's like hiring the most highly credentialed job candidate, but he turns out to be an unbearable troublemaker.

Kansas and Missouri renewing a series is interesting. Kansas may be keeping their future options open.

Disappointed Del Conte has learned the arrogant ways of the Longhorn so quickly. Guess he loves that terrible home schedule to change his ways.

Snagging Kansas and Oklahoma would be a wonderful way to round out the SEC and restore that Boarder War rivalry. I doubt we could pry those schools away from the Big 12 unless Texas goes independent or try’s to get a Notre Dame type of arrangement with the Big 12.

(05-12-2020 05:15 PM)murrdcu Wrote:  

(05-11-2020 03:14 PM)OdinFrigg Wrote:  Del Conte's comments came with a not-so-subtle condescending attitude. If he wants to renew the series, being prickly is not the approach.

The SEC doesn't have to acquire arrogant Texas. Let them stay in the B12 or go elsewhere. It's like hiring the most highly credentialed job candidate, but he turns out to be an unbearable troublemaker.

Kansas and Missouri renewing a series is interesting. Kansas may be keeping their future options open.

Disappointed Del Conte has learned the arrogant ways of the Longhorn so quickly. Guess he loves that terrible home schedule to change his ways.

Snagging Kansas and Oklahoma would be a wonderful way to round out the SEC and restore that Boarder War rivalry. I doubt we could pry those schools away from the Big 12 unless Texas goes independent or try’s to get a Notre Dame type of arrangement with the Big 12.

Hopefully your doubt is misplaced.

(05-12-2020 06:51 PM)ICThawk Wrote:  

(05-12-2020 05:15 PM)murrdcu Wrote:  

(05-11-2020 03:14 PM)OdinFrigg Wrote:  Del Conte's comments came with a not-so-subtle condescending attitude. If he wants to renew the series, being prickly is not the approach.

The SEC doesn't have to acquire arrogant Texas. Let them stay in the B12 or go elsewhere. It's like hiring the most highly credentialed job candidate, but he turns out to be an unbearable troublemaker.

Kansas and Missouri renewing a series is interesting. Kansas may be keeping their future options open.

Disappointed Del Conte has learned the arrogant ways of the Longhorn so quickly. Guess he loves that terrible home schedule to change his ways.

Snagging Kansas and Oklahoma would be a wonderful way to round out the SEC and restore that Boarder War rivalry. I doubt we could pry those schools away from the Big 12 unless Texas goes independent or try’s to get a Notre Dame type of arrangement with the Big 12.

Hopefully your doubt is misplaced.

How to incorporate the essence of the Big 12: Vanderbilt goes partial.
SEC adds: Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, Iowa State, West Virginia

Iowa State, Kansas, Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas, Texas A&M
Alabama, Arkansas, Louisiana State, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Tennessee
Auburn, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, South Carolina, West Virginia

The SEC merges the state flagships of the remaining Big 12 footprint, moves to 18, has 3 new AAU schools to take the SEC to 7,

That leaves 6 slots in a maximum potential 24 school SEC.

North Carolina, Virginia Tech, N.C. State, Clemson, Florida State and one of Virginia, Georgia Tech, Louisville, or Duke.

(05-12-2020 07:10 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(05-12-2020 06:51 PM)ICThawk Wrote:  

(05-12-2020 05:15 PM)murrdcu Wrote:  

(05-11-2020 03:14 PM)OdinFrigg Wrote:  Del Conte's comments came with a not-so-subtle condescending attitude. If he wants to renew the series, being prickly is not the approach.

The SEC doesn't have to acquire arrogant Texas. Let them stay in the B12 or go elsewhere. It's like hiring the most highly credentialed job candidate, but he turns out to be an unbearable troublemaker.

Kansas and Missouri renewing a series is interesting. Kansas may be keeping their future options open.

Disappointed Del Conte has learned the arrogant ways of the Longhorn so quickly. Guess he loves that terrible home schedule to change his ways.

Snagging Kansas and Oklahoma would be a wonderful way to round out the SEC and restore that Boarder War rivalry. I doubt we could pry those schools away from the Big 12 unless Texas goes independent or try’s to get a Notre Dame type of arrangement with the Big 12.

Hopefully your doubt is misplaced.

How to incorporate the essence of the Big 12: Vanderbilt goes partial.
SEC adds: Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, Iowa State, West Virginia

Iowa State, Kansas, Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas, Texas A&M
Alabama, Arkansas, Louisiana State, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Tennessee
Auburn, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, South Carolina, West Virginia

The SEC merges the state flagships of the remaining Big 12 footprint, moves to 18, has 3 new AAU schools to take the SEC to 7,

That leaves 6 slots in a maximum potential 24 school SEC.

North Carolina, Virginia Tech, N.C. State, Clemson, Florida State and one of Virginia, Georgia Tech, Louisville, or Duke.

The remaining 6 spots: Florida St, Clemson, North Carolina, North Carolina St, Virginia, Virginia Tech (add Duke as partial - similar to Vanderbilt)

That would be your 4th division unless you did 3x8:

West: Iowa St, Missouri, Kansas, Oklahoma, Texas, Texas A&M, Arkansas, LSU
South: Kentucky, Tennessee, Mississippi. Mississippi St, Alabama, Auburn, Georgia, Florida
East: Florida St, South Carolina, Clemson, North Carolina, North Carolina St, Virginia, Virginia Tech, West Virginia

Basketball lineup includes: Kansas, Kentucky, North Carolina, Duke!

—-

B1G then adds the PAC minus Washington St and Oregon St

West: Washington. Oregon, California, Stanford, USC, UCLA, Arizona, Arizona St
Central: Utah, Colorado, Nebraska, Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Illinois, Northwestern
East: Indiana, Purdue, Michigan, Michigan St, Ohio St, Penn St, Maryland, Rutgers

MWC drops San Jose St and adds remainders from PAC and XII

Pacific: Washington St, Oregon St, UNLV, Fresno St, San Diego St, Hawaii
Mountain: Nevada, Boise St, Utah St, Wyoming, Colorado St, Air Force
West: New Mexico, Texas Tech, Baylor, TCU, Oklahoma St, Kansas St

AAC adds ACC remainders

West: Tulsa, SMU, Houston, Tulane, Memphis, Navy
North: Miami, Boston College, Syracuse, oPittsburgh, Louisville, Cincinnati
East: Temple, Wake Forest, East Carolina, Georgia Tech, Central Florida, South Florida

Ind: Notre Dame, BYU, Army

(05-12-2020 10:52 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  

(05-12-2020 07:10 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(05-12-2020 06:51 PM)ICThawk Wrote:  

(05-12-2020 05:15 PM)murrdcu Wrote:  

(05-11-2020 03:14 PM)OdinFrigg Wrote:  Del Conte's comments came with a not-so-subtle condescending attitude. If he wants to renew the series, being prickly is not the approach.

The SEC doesn't have to acquire arrogant Texas. Let them stay in the B12 or go elsewhere. It's like hiring the most highly credentialed job candidate, but he turns out to be an unbearable troublemaker.

Kansas and Missouri renewing a series is interesting. Kansas may be keeping their future options open.

Disappointed Del Conte has learned the arrogant ways of the Longhorn so quickly. Guess he loves that terrible home schedule to change his ways.

Snagging Kansas and Oklahoma would be a wonderful way to round out the SEC and restore that Boarder War rivalry. I doubt we could pry those schools away from the Big 12 unless Texas goes independent or try’s to get a Notre Dame type of arrangement with the Big 12.

Hopefully your doubt is misplaced.

How to incorporate the essence of the Big 12: Vanderbilt goes partial.
SEC adds: Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, Iowa State, West Virginia

Iowa State, Kansas, Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas, Texas A&M
Alabama, Arkansas, Louisiana State, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Tennessee
Auburn, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, South Carolina, West Virginia

The SEC merges the state flagships of the remaining Big 12 footprint, moves to 18, has 3 new AAU schools to take the SEC to 7,

That leaves 6 slots in a maximum potential 24 school SEC.

North Carolina, Virginia Tech, N.C. State, Clemson, Florida State and one of Virginia, Georgia Tech, Louisville, or Duke.

The remaining 6 spots: Florida St, Clemson, North Carolina, North Carolina St, Virginia, Virginia Tech (add Duke as partial - similar to Vanderbilt)

That would be your 4th division unless you did 3x8:

West: Iowa St, Missouri, Kansas, Oklahoma, Texas, Texas A&M, Arkansas, LSU
South: Kentucky, Tennessee, Mississippi. Mississippi St, Alabama, Auburn, Georgia, Florida
East: Florida St, South Carolina, Clemson, North Carolina, North Carolina St, Virginia, Virginia Tech, West Virginia

Basketball lineup includes: Kansas, Kentucky, North Carolina, Duke!

—-

B1G then adds the PAC minus Washington St and Oregon St

West: Washington. Oregon, California, Stanford, USC, UCLA, Arizona, Arizona St
Central: Utah, Colorado, Nebraska, Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Illinois, Northwestern
East: Indiana, Purdue, Michigan, Michigan St, Ohio St, Penn St, Maryland, Rutgers

MWC drops San Jose St and adds remainders from PAC and XII

Pacific: Washington St, Oregon St, UNLV, Fresno St, San Diego St, Hawaii
Mountain: Nevada, Boise St, Utah St, Wyoming, Colorado St, Air Force
West: New Mexico, Texas Tech, Baylor, TCU, Oklahoma St, Kansas St

AAC adds ACC remainders

West: Tulsa, SMU, Houston, Tulane, Memphis, Navy
North: Miami, Boston College, Syracuse, oPittsburgh, Louisville, Cincinnati
East: Temple, Wake Forest, East Carolina, Georgia Tech, Central Florida, South Florida

Ind: Notre Dame, BYU, Army

It would be 4 divisions of 6. That way you can play nothing but in conference games and play everyone every 3 years and keep 1 permanent rival who when they rotate onto your schedule you have another school set up for those years.

4 division champs play in the conference semis and the champion goes to the CFP. The other 3 go to good bowls, or perhaps an at large spot if the playoff expands.

(05-12-2020 07:10 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(05-12-2020 06:51 PM)ICThawk Wrote:  

(05-12-2020 05:15 PM)murrdcu Wrote:  

(05-11-2020 03:14 PM)OdinFrigg Wrote:  Del Conte's comments came with a not-so-subtle condescending attitude. If he wants to renew the series, being prickly is not the approach.

The SEC doesn't have to acquire arrogant Texas. Let them stay in the B12 or go elsewhere. It's like hiring the most highly credentialed job candidate, but he turns out to be an unbearable troublemaker.

Kansas and Missouri renewing a series is interesting. Kansas may be keeping their future options open.

Disappointed Del Conte has learned the arrogant ways of the Longhorn so quickly. Guess he loves that terrible home schedule to change his ways.

Snagging Kansas and Oklahoma would be a wonderful way to round out the SEC and restore that Boarder War rivalry. I doubt we could pry those schools away from the Big 12 unless Texas goes independent or try’s to get a Notre Dame type of arrangement with the Big 12.

Hopefully your doubt is misplaced.

How to incorporate the essence of the Big 12: Vanderbilt goes partial.
SEC adds: Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, Iowa State, West Virginia

Iowa State, Kansas, Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas, Texas A&M
Alabama, Arkansas, Louisiana State, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Tennessee
Auburn, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, South Carolina, West Virginia

The SEC merges the state flagships of the remaining Big 12 footprint, moves to 18, has 3 new AAU schools to take the SEC to 7,

The old idea of adding the main 4 to the West is one I've always liked.

Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, and Iowa State

West Virginia fits pretty well although they become less necessary if we ever tap the Mid-Atlantic schools of the ACC. So I guess it depends.

Taking the core out of the Big 12 is probably best for the SEC. Even though the Big 12 would irreparably harmed, they would still live on.

In a way, it would be better for college sports. The following is a hypothetical based on conferences breaking away from the NCAA. What does that need to look like? What can it look like so that we cover the most territory without having to worry so much about the bulk of the G5.

Texas Tech, TCU, Baylor, Oklahoma State, and Kansas State stay behind the maintain the Big 12 branding. They invite a few schools to join them...

Boise State, Wyoming, Colorado State, Air Force, New Mexico, UNLV, and San Diego State from the Mountain West.

From there, I think BYU and Houston are good too. UH would most likely rather be with the other TX schools and BYU needs something better than the Mountain West in order to not lose ground to Utah when it comes to perception.

So now the Big 12 has 14 schools, but this is a group that could accompany the other leagues in a breakaway. They cover a lot of territory without having to soak up the entirety of the MWC in whatever new organization emerges.

The PAC 12 stays at 12...

The ACC makes some changes because the Big Ten is given an opportunity to grow to 18.

Virginia, North Carolina, Duke, and Pittsburgh move to the Big Ten. The ACC is wounded by this, but they're compensated by a new arrangement that's more stable and might even make a little more money.

Notre Dame sticks around and continues as a partial. The football playing core of the ACC forms the new leadership nexus of the league and marches on with a few additions.

Florida State, Miami, Georgia Tech, Clemson, NC State, Wake Forest, Virginia Tech, Louisville, Syracuse, and Boston College are joined by:

West Virginia, Cincinnati, UConn, UCF, USF, and Tulane

Now pretty much all of the key properties of the MWC and the American have been accounted for within the P5 framework.

The SEC doesn't have a real need to look to the ACC at this point because Oklahoma and Texas break the bank. The Big Ten is satisfied with a couple of new and key markets along with maintaining their AAU priorities.

So the ACC becomes a league that's more football focused although most members still care about putting forth a decent basketball product. They get some schools with larger alumni bases that will continue to grow in the future. They don't lose any markets, gain a couple new ones, and they don't really stretch out their footprint to some far flung place like TX. Now because the whole arrangement is unendingly helpful, they are rewarded with a bigger contract.