(05-05-2020 09:36 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(05-04-2020 07:22 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  Louisville just needs to hire UNC's lawyers and they'll be just fine.

If there was anybody who deserved a title taken away, it was the degree mill in Chapel Hill.

Yes, it still boggles the brain how they escaped the cheating scandal. Should have lost the what, 2005 and 2009 titles?

(05-04-2020 03:04 PM)RobtheAggie Wrote:  Anyone want to bet that Louisville leads a charge to separate from the NCAA?

Here is one of the articles.

Louisville will not lead anything. They should be thankful they were the last school that got into the P5 instead of UConn or Cincinnati and should know their place in the P5 hierarchy.

(05-05-2020 09:39 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-05-2020 09:36 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(05-04-2020 07:22 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  Louisville just needs to hire UNC's lawyers and they'll be just fine.

If there was anybody who deserved a title taken away, it was the degree mill in Chapel Hill.

Yes, it still boggles the brain how they escaped the cheating scandal. Should have lost the what, 2005 and 2009 titles?

I don't know why, the NCAA had no authority to impose penalties & even tried to get creative by saying they were a impermissible benefit. So in the end the NCAA chose to stay in their lane instead of potentially being made even less relevant than it already is.

(05-05-2020 09:53 AM)mj4life Wrote:  

(05-05-2020 09:39 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-05-2020 09:36 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(05-04-2020 07:22 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  Louisville just needs to hire UNC's lawyers and they'll be just fine.

If there was anybody who deserved a title taken away, it was the degree mill in Chapel Hill.

Yes, it still boggles the brain how they escaped the cheating scandal. Should have lost the what, 2005 and 2009 titles?

I don't know why, the NCAA had no authority to impose penalties & even tried to get creative by saying they were a impermissible benefit. So in the end the NCAA chose to stay in their lane instead of potentially being made even less relevant than it already is.

UNC had fake students, basically what should be the worst violation in the book. They got their grades with fake classes. What UNC did violated the very basis of the NCAA. By doing nothing, the NCAA proved it was irrelevant. If anybody over the last 50 years deserved the death penalty, it was UNC. Fake classes for over a decade, known to all the coaches, intimidation of the whistleblower. It was like what UGA did with Jan Kemp but on a more massive scale.

(05-04-2020 04:13 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  It bears repeating, but - regardless of what penalties stick with Louisville - the school would undoubtedly do everything the same way over again, if given the opportunity, knowing everything today. If it comes down to a few extra years of probation (while removing Pitino (HOF coach), Jurich (one of top ADs in the country) and (re)hiring Petrino while moving to the ACC) and remaining in the G5 (the AAC), the former gets picked every single day of the week and twice again on Sunday. They might very well pay the price of any infractions and/or penalties incurred in the past, but those decisions would be made again given the "reward" of the process.

Sure wins might be vacated, a banner might be taken down, and those individuals no longer work at the school, but the NCAA cannot wipe away the associations and memories from people's minds. If Penn State, Miami and Baylor have proven anything, right or wrong, it is that the death penalty will never again be used in high-level college athletics. Many programs and institutions have had much more blatant (and repeated) misconduct, and the death penalty never appeared to be realistically considered.

Yep. Louisville cheated their asses off and ran the dirtiest program in the country to win at a big level. It got them into the ACC, and that will never be taken away from them. It was all worth it, even if they spend the next 10 years on probation with scholarship reductions.

(05-05-2020 10:21 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(05-05-2020 09:53 AM)mj4life Wrote:  

(05-05-2020 09:39 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-05-2020 09:36 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(05-04-2020 07:22 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  Louisville just needs to hire UNC's lawyers and they'll be just fine.

If there was anybody who deserved a title taken away, it was the degree mill in Chapel Hill.

Yes, it still boggles the brain how they escaped the cheating scandal. Should have lost the what, 2005 and 2009 titles?

I don't know why, the NCAA had no authority to impose penalties & even tried to get creative by saying they were a impermissible benefit. So in the end the NCAA chose to stay in their lane instead of potentially being made even less relevant than it already is.

UNC had fake students, basically what should be the worst violation in the book. They got their grades with fake classes. What UNC did violated the very basis of the NCAA. By doing nothing, the NCAA proved it was irrelevant. If anybody over the last 50 years deserved the death penalty, it was UNC. Fake classes for over a decade, known to all the coaches, intimidation of the whistleblower. It was like what UGA did with Jan Kemp but on a more massive scale.

Which falls under UNC's accreditation agency not the NCAA. They choose to classify these classes as a impermissible benefit instead of academic fraud. So again what bylaw that has been approved by the NCAA membership applies to these classes & why couldn't the NCAA make anything stick after years of investigation including access to internal investigations like the Wainstein report that UNC was under no obligation to supply them with?

(05-05-2020 10:21 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(05-05-2020 09:53 AM)mj4life Wrote:  

(05-05-2020 09:39 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-05-2020 09:36 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(05-04-2020 07:22 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  Louisville just needs to hire UNC's lawyers and they'll be just fine.

If there was anybody who deserved a title taken away, it was the degree mill in Chapel Hill.

Yes, it still boggles the brain how they escaped the cheating scandal. Should have lost the what, 2005 and 2009 titles?

I don't know why, the NCAA had no authority to impose penalties & even tried to get creative by saying they were a impermissible benefit. So in the end the NCAA chose to stay in their lane instead of potentially being made even less relevant than it already is.

UNC had fake students, basically what should be the worst violation in the book. They got their grades with fake classes. What UNC did violated the very basis of the NCAA. By doing nothing, the NCAA proved it was irrelevant. If anybody over the last 50 years deserved the death penalty, it was UNC. Fake classes for over a decade, known to all the coaches, intimidation of the whistleblower. It was like what UGA did with Jan Kemp but on a more massive scale.

Also like Jim Harrick at Georgia on a massive scale.

Classifying the academic fraud as an "impermissible benefit" is something the NCAA also did in the Harrick case. But in that case, the NCAA avoided the issue of whether the academic fraud could be separately punished, by giving Harrick Jr. a show-cause order for lying to NCAA investigators and sanctioning the team for other violations (players receiving money and not reimbursing expenses they ran up).

I wonder if Iona is starting to rethink that hire?

(05-05-2020 04:18 PM)RobtheAggie Wrote:  I wonder if Iona is starting to rethink that hire?

They knew who they were hiring.

(05-05-2020 11:31 AM)mj4life Wrote:  

(05-05-2020 10:21 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(05-05-2020 09:53 AM)mj4life Wrote:  

(05-05-2020 09:39 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-05-2020 09:36 AM)bullet Wrote:  If there was anybody who deserved a title taken away, it was the degree mill in Chapel Hill.

Yes, it still boggles the brain how they escaped the cheating scandal. Should have lost the what, 2005 and 2009 titles?

I don't know why, the NCAA had no authority to impose penalties & even tried to get creative by saying they were a impermissible benefit. So in the end the NCAA chose to stay in their lane instead of potentially being made even less relevant than it already is.

UNC had fake students, basically what should be the worst violation in the book. They got their grades with fake classes. What UNC did violated the very basis of the NCAA. By doing nothing, the NCAA proved it was irrelevant. If anybody over the last 50 years deserved the death penalty, it was UNC. Fake classes for over a decade, known to all the coaches, intimidation of the whistleblower. It was like what UGA did with Jan Kemp but on a more massive scale.

Which falls under UNC's accreditation agency not the NCAA. They choose to classify these classes as a impermissible benefit instead of academic fraud. So again what bylaw that has been approved by the NCAA membership applies to these classes & why couldn't the NCAA make anything stick after years of investigation including access to internal investigations like the Wainstein report that UNC was under no obligation to supply them with?

"student"-athletes getting grades without attending classes is the definition of academic fraud. The basis of the NCAA is having actual students. The NCAA chose not to make anything stick. For whatever reason, they protected UNC. Georgia Tech, on the other hand, lost an ACC championship and bowl wins because ONE player took $300 in clothes from an agent during his senior (or maybe junior) year at the school and then paid it back.

Maybe UNC makes the NCAA tournament a lot more money than Georgia Tech. That is where the NCAA gets its funding, not from football. And Phds from UNC are administrators all over. Almost nobody from Louisville is. And Georgia Tech people are mostly in engineering schools.

(05-05-2020 11:31 AM)mj4life Wrote:  

(05-05-2020 10:21 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(05-05-2020 09:53 AM)mj4life Wrote:  

(05-05-2020 09:39 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-05-2020 09:36 AM)bullet Wrote:  If there was anybody who deserved a title taken away, it was the degree mill in Chapel Hill.

Yes, it still boggles the brain how they escaped the cheating scandal. Should have lost the what, 2005 and 2009 titles?

I don't know why, the NCAA had no authority to impose penalties & even tried to get creative by saying they were a impermissible benefit. So in the end the NCAA chose to stay in their lane instead of potentially being made even less relevant than it already is.

UNC had fake students, basically what should be the worst violation in the book. They got their grades with fake classes. What UNC did violated the very basis of the NCAA. By doing nothing, the NCAA proved it was irrelevant. If anybody over the last 50 years deserved the death penalty, it was UNC. Fake classes for over a decade, known to all the coaches, intimidation of the whistleblower. It was like what UGA did with Jan Kemp but on a more massive scale.

Which falls under UNC's accreditation agency not the NCAA. They choose to classify these classes as a impermissible benefit instead of academic fraud. So again what bylaw that has been approved by the NCAA membership applies to these classes & why couldn't the NCAA make anything stick after years of investigation including access to internal investigations like the Wainstein report that UNC was under no obligation to supply them with?

You're trying to defend the indefensible.

I mean, imagine if Duke was playing UCLA in the NCAA hoops title game, and before the game, someone in the Duke athletic department hired some thugs to beat up UCLA's three star players so they'd miss the game. The thugs beat up the three UCLA star players and they miss the game, and Duke wins. What Duke did then comes out in the open.

Duke then argues against having their title stripped by saying "that's a criminal matter, there is no actual NCAA bylaw against hiring thugs to beat up your opponent's players, so we should face no penalties".

Apocalyptically absurd, right? But that was and is essentially UNC's position on this.

I think the Penn State issue exposed the flaws in the NCAA’s foundation that schools like UNC benefited. And not just the NCAA being weak, but just how much the NCAA and accrediting bodies require from schools, and what the DoE needs from the NCAA and the accreditors. Three groups believe there are designated lanes for each of them, when in reality there are no lanes, and the schools do the majority of the work. So there’s integrity issues at the core. Oh, and what if you have FBI involvement?

UNC didn’t play ball with the NCAA. It focused on its accreditation. And what UNC got back from its accrediting body, it eventually found its way into the fight against the NCAA. I hate higher education so much for what UNC did and how they played it; that lack of accountability. But, is UNC really wrong for how they defended themselves given the schematics?

By the time the NCAA got its ****s stomped and handed to them after UMFL, PSU, and UNC, is it any surprise they didn’t even bother with maybe the worst of them all: Michigan State and Larry Nassar?

It took fed involvement to get this going on Louisville. But, UL worked with folks, and, typical, the NCAA is using that self-tied noose. It’s all the NCAA has to it.