(04-08-2020 03:41 PM)westsidewolf1989 Wrote:  Just combine the west divisions of each conference and the east divisions (football only)

Western C-USA / Sun Belt
West Division
UTEP
Texas State
UTSA
UNT
Rice
La Tech

East Division
ULL
ULM
Ark State
Southern Miss
South Alabama
UAB

I guess La Tech and Ark State could flip flop (although Jonesboro is east of all the LA schools) if La Tech wanted to be in same division as its fellow LA schools.

Eastern C-USA / Sun Belt
West Division
WKU
MTSU
Troy
Georgia State
Marshall
Georgia Southern

East Division
App State
Charlotte
FIU
FAU
Coastal Carolina
ODU

This is actually intriguing, to me at least.

Now past 300 responses, only missing UTSA and FIU now.

(04-08-2020 03:07 PM)TheDancinMonarch Wrote:  

(04-08-2020 10:32 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  I now have responses from every fanbase except UTSA, UTA, FAU, and FIU.

That's one reason many don't like CUSA. Too many schools don't have fanbases.

We still have jobs.

Also hello to the Marshall fans at herdfans.com

(04-08-2020 04:03 PM)FAU Connoisseur! Wrote:  

(04-08-2020 03:07 PM)TheDancinMonarch Wrote:  

(04-08-2020 10:32 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  I now have responses from every fanbase except UTSA, UTA, FAU, and FIU.

That's one reason many don't like CUSA. Too many schools don't have fanbases.

We still have jobs.

Work a lot of Saturdays in the fall apparently.

I had

JMU
Liberty
UNCC
App St
Marshall
MTSU
WKU

Don't remember who else... but would love it to be a football only conference. Basketball and olympic sports need to be even more regional (non-football conference like the A10 where we can get 8-9 schools within a 5 hour drive)

(04-08-2020 04:03 PM)FAU Connoisseur! Wrote:  

(04-08-2020 03:07 PM)TheDancinMonarch Wrote:  

(04-08-2020 10:32 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  I now have responses from every fanbase except UTSA, UTA, FAU, and FIU.

That's one reason many don't like CUSA. Too many schools don't have fanbases.

We still have jobs.

Not bad. Not bad at all. Did you run Kiffin's Twitter?

(04-08-2020 04:10 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  I had

JMU
Liberty
UNCC
App St
Marshall
MTSU
WKU

Don't remember who else... but would love it to be a football only conference. Basketball and olympic sports need to be even more regional (non-football conference like the A10 where we can get 8-9 schools within a 5 hour drive)

ODU is within five hours of VCU, Richmond, George Mason and George Washington. The Philly schools are borderline because you need the traffic to break your way to make it in 5, at least per Google Maps.

I don't think there's any conferences where a team can have 8-9 opponents within five hours.

The dialogue on this thread seems to fall into 2 main camps - people/schools located in the "east" and focus on football. NMSU currently has by far the best basketball program of all the schools listed. UTEP and NMSU have the best basketball traditions. UTEP: Don Haskins and a national championship. NMSU: Lou Henson and a final four.

When I voted, I tried to pick the 10 western schools. I wasn't voting for my "favorite" schools. It seems logical to break things up and have more regional conferences.

I ran with (Listed with travel partners for non football sports) and all travel partners are working 4.5 or so hours of each other

West
Louisiana-Rice
LaTech-Arkansas State
Southern Miss (paired with troy)

East
Troy (paired with Southern miss)
Georgia Southern-Georgia State
App State-Marshal

(04-08-2020 03:20 PM)JMUNation Wrote:  JMU
ODU
APP
MARSHALL
WKY
MTENN
GA SOUTH
UAB
TROY
UNCC

Now that is a conference with regional interests and very good rivalries for all.

Screw the Florida schools. They have no fan interest. Coastal is small time. They don’t belong in FBS and last I looked, a tiny basketball arena. Liberty has too much money and Farewell does whatever he wants. Not a good conference partner. The rest are too far away to care about. Like S. Miss. but would have to drop an Alabama school to grab them. Geographically they fit better with La. and Texas schools than VA and NC anyway.

Had that but with USM and LaTech over Troy and UNCC. Adds some history and tradition while not isolating one school in Virginia and uses UAB to bridge. Could easily put in Charlotte and Troy for 12 team model.

I ran with (Listed with travel partners for non football sports) and all travel partners are working 4.5 or so hours of each other

West
Louisiana-Rice
LaTech-Arkansas State
Southern Miss (paired with troy)

East
Troy (paired with Southern miss)
Georgia Southern-Georgia State
App State-Marshal

Okay ... here we go ... some complete data sets on fan bases that have submitted the most and ergo have the most representative data.

Votes by James Madison fans

Which of these best describes your current mood toward your current conference affiliation?
(JMU only) I'd rather stay FCS 3.92%
Perfectly happy, keep it as-is 3.92%
(NMSU/Liberty/JMU only) I'd rather join whatever forms out of C-USA/Sun Belt in my region 45.10%
Too spread out, we need to refocus on a regional conference 47.06%

I didn't expect JMU fans to be that interested in geography as well but a peek of the CAA football only affiliates shows it to be very New England heavy.








How do you feel about partial membership, specifically schools in for all sports other than football like UT-Arlington and UA-Little Rock?
I have no problem with partial members 45.10%
No partial members for me thanks 54.90%











Rank the other 9 teams (10 teams = FB title game) you want in your conference from most preferred to least. Be sure to KEEP SCROLLING TO THE RIGHT ----> (and Coastal Carolina is accidentally last)
[Team 1: My most preferred team]
C-USA: UNC Charlotte 1.96%
C-USA: Marshall 3.92%
FCS: James Madison 23.53% DERP!
C-USA: Old Dominion 27.45%
Sun Belt: Appalachian State 43.14%
----------------------------
Majority Support:




[Team 2]
Sun Belt: Coastal Carolina 1.96%
C-USA: Middle Tennessee 1.96%
Sun Belt: Troy 1.96%
C-USA: UAB 3.92%
Sun Belt: Georgia State 3.92%
C-USA: UNC Charlotte 5.88%
Sun Belt: Georgia Southern 5.88%
C-USA: Marshall 5.88%
Independent: Liberty 5.88%
C-USA: Old Dominion 31.37%
Sun Belt: Appalachian State 31.37%
----------------------------
Majority Support: App St, ODU,



[Team 3]
C-USA: LA Tech 1.96%
Sun Belt: Texas - Arlington 1.96%
Sun Belt: Coastal Carolina 1.96%
C-USA: Florida Atlantic 3.92%
Independent: Liberty 7.84%
Sun Belt: Appalachian State 11.76%
Sun Belt: Georgia Southern 11.76%
C-USA: UNC Charlotte 11.76%
C-USA: Old Dominion 15.69%
C-USA: Marshall 31.37%
----------------------------
Majority Support: App St, ODU





[Team 4]
C-USA: Florida Atlantic 1.96%
Sun Belt: Georgia State 1.96%
Sun Belt: Louisiana - Lafayette 1.96%
C-USA: Florida International 1.96%
Independent: Liberty 1.96%
Sun Belt: Appalachian State 1.96%
Sun Belt: Arkansas State 1.96%
C-USA: Middle Tennessee 3.92%
C-USA: Old Dominion 5.88%
C-USA: UAB 3.92%
C-USA: Western Kentucky 3.92%
Sun Belt: Coastal Carolina 7.84%
Sun Belt: Georgia Southern 11.76%
C-USA: UNC Charlotte 17.65%
C-USA: Marshall 31.37%
----------------------------
Majority Support: App St, ODU, Marshall




[Team 5]
C-USA: Florida Atlantic 1.96%
Sun Belt: Georgia State 1.96%
Sun Belt: Louisiana - Lafayette 1.96%
Sun Belt: Troy 1.96%
C-USA: Old Dominion 3.92%
C-USA: Southern Miss 1.96%
Independent: Liberty 1.96%
C-USA: UAB 3.92%
Sun Belt: Appalachian State 5.88%
C-USA: Western Kentucky 7.84%
C-USA: Marshall 9.80%
C-USA: Middle Tennessee 9.80%
Sun Belt: Coastal Carolina 11.76%
Sun Belt: Georgia Southern 13.73%
C-USA: UNC Charlotte 21.57%
----------------------------
Majority Support: App St, ODU, Marshall



[Team 6]
C-USA: Florida International 1.96%
C-USA: LA Tech 1.96%
C-USA: Middle Tennessee 1.96%
Independent: NMSU 1.96%
Sun Belt: Appalachian State 1.96%
C-USA: Old Dominion 3.92%
C-USA: Southern Miss 3.92%
C-USA: UAB 3.92%
C-USA: Florida Atlantic 3.92%
C-USA: Marshall 5.88%
Independent: Liberty 7.84%
Sun Belt: Georgia State 7.84%
Sun Belt: Coastal Carolina 9.80%
Sun Belt: Georgia Southern 11.76%
C-USA: UNC Charlotte 15.69%
C-USA: Western Kentucky 15.69%
----------------------------
Majority Support: App St, ODU, Marshall, UNC Charlotte, GSU(-GATA),




[Team 7]
C-USA: Florida International 1.96%
C-USA: Old Dominion 1.96%
C-USA: Rice 1.96%
Independent: NMSU 1.96%
Sun Belt: Appalachian State 1.96%
Independent: Liberty 3.92%
C-USA: Marshall 3.92%
C-USA: Florida Atlantic 3.92%
Sun Belt: Troy 3.92%
Sun Belt: Coastal Carolina 7.84%
Sun Belt: Georgia Southern 7.84%
C-USA: UAB 7.84%
C-USA: UNC Charlotte 7.84%
Sun Belt: Georgia State 9.80%
C-USA: Western Kentucky 11.76%
C-USA: Middle Tennessee 21.57%
----------------------------
Majority Support: App St, ODU, Marshall, UNC Charlotte, GSU(-GATA),




[Team 8]
C-USA: Old Dominion 1.96%
C-USA: Rice 1.96%
C-USA: Southern Miss 1.96%
C-USA: UTEP 1.96%
Independent: NMSU 1.96%
Sun Belt: Troy 1.96%
C-USA: UNC Charlotte 3.92%
Independent: Liberty 5.88%
C-USA: Florida International 7.84%
C-USA: UAB 7.84%
Sun Belt: Coastal Carolina 7.84%
C-USA: Florida Atlantic 9.80%
C-USA: Western Kentucky 9.80%
C-USA: Middle Tennessee 11.76%
Sun Belt: Georgia Southern 11.76%
Sun Belt: Georgia State 11.76%
----------------------------
Majority Support: App St, ODU, Marshall, UNC Charlotte, GSU(-GATA), MT,



[Team 9]
C-USA: Florida International 1.96%
C-USA: UTEP 1.96%
Sun Belt: Arkansas State 1.96%
Sun Belt: South Alabama 1.96%
C-USA: Florida Atlantic 3.92%
C-USA: Middle Tennessee 3.92%
C-USA: Rice 3.92%
Sun Belt: Coastal Carolina 3.92%
Sun Belt: Georgia Southern 3.92%
C-USA: Southern Miss 5.88%
C-USA: UAB 5.88%
C-USA: UNC Charlotte 5.88%
Independent: NMSU 7.84%
Sun Belt: Troy 7.84%
C-USA: Western Kentucky 9.80%
Sun Belt: Georgia State 13.73%
Independent: Liberty 15.69%
----------------------------
Majority Support: App St, ODU, Marshall, UNC Charlotte, GSU(-GATA), MT, WKU, CCU, Liberty, GSU(-panama)

I didn't exhaust the math on that ... but offhand nobody else looked like they batted in enough consistent 5% rounds or big double digit rounds. Feel free to double check me on those excluded.

That's great. Thanks for tossing that together.

Once this is given enough time to circulate and collect more responses can you share the csv? Would like to pivot that data around.

(04-08-2020 02:53 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  (10 teams = FB title game)

Just FYI, this is incorrect. There is no longer any minimum of FB teams required for a CCG.

Now processing Marshall since the folks at HerdFans voted early and often (you guys also vote in Chicago?) and now have the highest vote count.

(04-08-2020 02:53 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  Pulling out just the Old Dominion data so far since they have quite a few votes in already:

Question 2: Which of these best describes your current mood toward your current conference affiliation?
Perfectly happy, keep it as-is: 2.128%
Too spread out, we need to refocus on a regional conference: 97.872%

Question 3: How do you feel about partial membership, specifically schools in for all sports other than football like UT-Arlington and UA-Little Rock?
I have no problem with partial members: 51.06%
No partial members for me thanks: 48.94%

Question 4: Rank the other 9 teams (10 teams = FB title game) you want in your conference from most preferred to least. Be sure to KEEP SCROLLING TO THE RIGHT ----> (and Coastal Carolina is accidentally last)

Choice 1: James Madison 38.3%, UNC Charlotte 14.89%, Old Dominion 12.77% (DERP!), Western Kentucky 10.64%, Appalachian State 8.511%, Marshall 8.511%, Georgia State 2.128%
Choice 2: UNC Charlotte 25.53%, Marshall 14.89%, Appalachian State 12.77%, James Madison 10.64%, UAB 8.511%, Liberty 8.511%, Middle Tennessee 8.511%, Western Kentucky 8.511%, Coastal Carolina 2.128%
Choice 3: Marshall 25.53%, Liberty 17.02%, UNC Charlotte 12.77%, Western Kentucky 12.77%, Appalachian State 8.511%, James Madison 6.383%, UAB 4.255%, Middle Tennessee 4.255%, Florida Atlantic 2.128%, Florida International 2.128%, Georgia Southern 2.128%, Rice 2.128%

That's as far as I want to go by hand without creating spreadsheets/scripts.

That's awesome. If you can make that data public I'm going to point power bi at it. See about making a public dashboard. In the little free time I have. Hah

(04-08-2020 05:52 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(04-08-2020 02:53 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  (10 teams = FB title game)

Just FYI, this is incorrect. There is no longer any minimum of FB teams required for a CCG.

Water under the bridge now. Nine is perfect for scheduling, this will still get us good data for all the plausible sizes (9-12 + optional non-FB).

(04-08-2020 05:56 PM)bit_9 Wrote:  That's awesome. If you can make that data public I'm going to point power bi at it. See about making a public dashboard. In the little free time I have. Hah

Tuh dah: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1..._PbC4LH4I/

I'll show some examples by dumping some extra Marshall sheets in there.

(04-08-2020 05:21 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  GSU(-GATA) GSU(-panama)