(08-09-2020 10:44 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(08-09-2020 10:28 AM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  I entered the Equity in America revenues for each P5 team for the past 4 years in a spreadsheet to understand how revenues are changing over time. Note, for this analysis I classified ND as an ACC member.

Average team revenue per conference (2015/16, 2016/17, 2017/18 and 2018/19):

ACC $90.1 $95.5 $104.8 $114.2
B12 $102.0 $107.9 $119.0 $116.3
BIG $108.3 $115.0 $127.6 $132.4
PAC $89.1 $98.0 $105.0 $106.5
SEC $121.2 $128.0 $133.5 $134.5
All P5 $102.4 $109.1 $118.1 $121.4

Some of the growth in revenues results from the timing of the Orange vs Rose/Sugar Bowl rotation in the CFP. Nevertheless, the four year growth in the conference average revenue, as well as the change in standard deviation:

ACC 27% (69%)
B12 14% (19%)
BIG 22% (19%)
PAC 19% (37%)
SEC 11% (24%)
All P5 19% (23%)

During this four year stretch, ACC schools’ revenues grew the fastest (27%) of all P5 conferences. Interestingly, the growth rate in revenues varied greatly: FSU (61% 4 year growth), Miami (48%) and Louisville (33%) had the highest growth rates; while VT (0%) and UVA (8%) had the lowest growth in revenue. In 2016, the ACC schools’ range of revenue was very homogeneous...more so than most other P5 conferences. By 2019, the distribution of revenues amongst schools in the ACC is heterogeneous...not as unequal as the B12 schools, but trending in that direction.

Football is ~80 of that revenue. The 3 schools you cite are all from the Deep South except Louisville which like Kentucky emphasizes both football and basketball and both are top 25 revenue generators.

Drop the conference notion and look at it regionally and the differences will be more stark. Forbes was the last publication to speak of the SEC's new media deal and they did so in late June. Forbes cited sources that indicate that what ESPN will be paying for the SEC T1 contract will be between 375 million and 400 million. So the SEC's media payouts should be jumping sometime after this year from 45.7 million per school to between 68 million to 72 million per school depending upon the final details. What I heard early with regards to the contract was 67 million so this is right in line.

My point is this. In the Northern Midwest it is a school by school increase. In the Southeast through parts of the Southwest it is regional. There's your last bastion of college football religion. This region impacts Texas, Oklahoma, most of the SEC, and part of the ACC. In fact I would lump Ohio / Kentucky into a mini region and say that beyond that most of the growth is from South Carolina through Tennessee and South with South Carolina and Tennessee essentially on the fringe both for the region and for the growth.

That said, we are financially and culturally facing a large paradigm shift with the assault of this virus and the public's response to it. Therefore, nothing is certain moving forward.

Really good point.

I divided the ACC into three regions:
a) Northern ACC - This group had a 26% growth in revenue over the 4 years (nearly identical to the conference average growth in revenue). More importantly, the growth rate in revenue was very equal within this group: Louisville @ 33%, Pitt @ 32%, ND @ 26%, Syracuse @ 20% and BC @ 16%.
b) Southern ACC - 42% growth, with all schools above the overall conference average: FSU @ 61%, Miami @ 48%, Clemson @ 30% and GT @ 28%.
c) Tidewater ACC - 15% growth, with all schools below the overall conference average growth of 27%: Duke @ 26%, WFU @ 23%, NCSt @ 16%, UNC @ 16%, UVA @ 8% and VT @ 0%.

(08-09-2020 11:23 AM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  

(08-09-2020 10:44 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(08-09-2020 10:28 AM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  I entered the Equity in America revenues for each P5 team for the past 4 years in a spreadsheet to understand how revenues are changing over time. Note, for this analysis I classified ND as an ACC member.

Average team revenue per conference (2015/16, 2016/17, 2017/18 and 2018/19):

ACC $90.1 $95.5 $104.8 $114.2
B12 $102.0 $107.9 $119.0 $116.3
BIG $108.3 $115.0 $127.6 $132.4
PAC $89.1 $98.0 $105.0 $106.5
SEC $121.2 $128.0 $133.5 $134.5
All P5 $102.4 $109.1 $118.1 $121.4

Some of the growth in revenues results from the timing of the Orange vs Rose/Sugar Bowl rotation in the CFP. Nevertheless, the four year growth in the conference average revenue, as well as the change in standard deviation:

ACC 27% (69%)
B12 14% (19%)
BIG 22% (19%)
PAC 19% (37%)
SEC 11% (24%)
All P5 19% (23%)

During this four year stretch, ACC schools’ revenues grew the fastest (27%) of all P5 conferences. Interestingly, the growth rate in revenues varied greatly: FSU (61% 4 year growth), Miami (48%) and Louisville (33%) had the highest growth rates; while VT (0%) and UVA (8%) had the lowest growth in revenue. In 2016, the ACC schools’ range of revenue was very homogeneous...more so than most other P5 conferences. By 2019, the distribution of revenues amongst schools in the ACC is heterogeneous...not as unequal as the B12 schools, but trending in that direction.

Football is ~80 of that revenue. The 3 schools you cite are all from the Deep South except Louisville which like Kentucky emphasizes both football and basketball and both are top 25 revenue generators.

Drop the conference notion and look at it regionally and the differences will be more stark. Forbes was the last publication to speak of the SEC's new media deal and they did so in late June. Forbes cited sources that indicate that what ESPN will be paying for the SEC T1 contract will be between 375 million and 400 million. So the SEC's media payouts should be jumping sometime after this year from 45.7 million per school to between 68 million to 72 million per school depending upon the final details. What I heard early with regards to the contract was 67 million so this is right in line.

My point is this. In the Northern Midwest it is a school by school increase. In the Southeast through parts of the Southwest it is regional. There's your last bastion of college football religion. This region impacts Texas, Oklahoma, most of the SEC, and part of the ACC. In fact I would lump Ohio / Kentucky into a mini region and say that beyond that most of the growth is from South Carolina through Tennessee and South with South Carolina and Tennessee essentially on the fringe both for the region and for the growth.

That said, we are financially and culturally facing a large paradigm shift with the assault of this virus and the public's response to it. Therefore, nothing is certain moving forward.

Really good point.

I divided the ACC into three regions:
a) Northern ACC - This group had a 26% growth in revenue over the 4 years (nearly identical to the conference average growth in revenue). More importantly, the growth rate in revenue was very equal within this group: Louisville @ 33%, Pitt @ 32%, ND @ 26%, Syracuse @ 20% and BC @ 16%.
b) Southern ACC - 42% growth, with all schools above the overall conference average: FSU @ 61%, Miami @ 48%, Clemson @ 30% and GT @ 28%.
c) Tidewater ACC - 15% growth, with all schools below the overall conference average growth of 27%: Duke @ 26%, WFU @ 23%, NCSt @ 16%, UNC @ 16%, UVA @ 8% and VT @ 0%.

Hopefully you will remember to do the same a year from now. It will be interesting to see the rates of decline for the deep south, tidewater and northern tiers of the conference.

(08-09-2020 01:46 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(08-09-2020 11:23 AM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  

(08-09-2020 10:44 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(08-09-2020 10:28 AM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  I entered the Equity in America revenues for each P5 team for the past 4 years in a spreadsheet to understand how revenues are changing over time. Note, for this analysis I classified ND as an ACC member.

Average team revenue per conference (2015/16, 2016/17, 2017/18 and 2018/19):

ACC $90.1 $95.5 $104.8 $114.2
B12 $102.0 $107.9 $119.0 $116.3
BIG $108.3 $115.0 $127.6 $132.4
PAC $89.1 $98.0 $105.0 $106.5
SEC $121.2 $128.0 $133.5 $134.5
All P5 $102.4 $109.1 $118.1 $121.4

Some of the growth in revenues results from the timing of the Orange vs Rose/Sugar Bowl rotation in the CFP. Nevertheless, the four year growth in the conference average revenue, as well as the change in standard deviation:

ACC 27% (69%)
B12 14% (19%)
BIG 22% (19%)
PAC 19% (37%)
SEC 11% (24%)
All P5 19% (23%)

During this four year stretch, ACC schools’ revenues grew the fastest (27%) of all P5 conferences. Interestingly, the growth rate in revenues varied greatly: FSU (61% 4 year growth), Miami (48%) and Louisville (33%) had the highest growth rates; while VT (0%) and UVA (8%) had the lowest growth in revenue. In 2016, the ACC schools’ range of revenue was very homogeneous...more so than most other P5 conferences. By 2019, the distribution of revenues amongst schools in the ACC is heterogeneous...not as unequal as the B12 schools, but trending in that direction.

Football is ~80 of that revenue. The 3 schools you cite are all from the Deep South except Louisville which like Kentucky emphasizes both football and basketball and both are top 25 revenue generators.

Drop the conference notion and look at it regionally and the differences will be more stark. Forbes was the last publication to speak of the SEC's new media deal and they did so in late June. Forbes cited sources that indicate that what ESPN will be paying for the SEC T1 contract will be between 375 million and 400 million. So the SEC's media payouts should be jumping sometime after this year from 45.7 million per school to between 68 million to 72 million per school depending upon the final details. What I heard early with regards to the contract was 67 million so this is right in line.

My point is this. In the Northern Midwest it is a school by school increase. In the Southeast through parts of the Southwest it is regional. There's your last bastion of college football religion. This region impacts Texas, Oklahoma, most of the SEC, and part of the ACC. In fact I would lump Ohio / Kentucky into a mini region and say that beyond that most of the growth is from South Carolina through Tennessee and South with South Carolina and Tennessee essentially on the fringe both for the region and for the growth.

That said, we are financially and culturally facing a large paradigm shift with the assault of this virus and the public's response to it. Therefore, nothing is certain moving forward.

Really good point.

I divided the ACC into three regions:
a) Northern ACC - This group had a 26% growth in revenue over the 4 years (nearly identical to the conference average growth in revenue). More importantly, the growth rate in revenue was very equal within this group: Louisville @ 33%, Pitt @ 32%, ND @ 26%, Syracuse @ 20% and BC @ 16%.
b) Southern ACC - 42% growth, with all schools above the overall conference average: FSU @ 61%, Miami @ 48%, Clemson @ 30% and GT @ 28%.
c) Tidewater ACC - 15% growth, with all schools below the overall conference average growth of 27%: Duke @ 26%, WFU @ 23%, NCSt @ 16%, UNC @ 16%, UVA @ 8% and VT @ 0%.

Hopefully you will remember to do the same a year from now. It will be interesting to see the rates of decline for the deep south, tidewater and northern tiers of the conference.

Typical basketball first schadenfreude. The money will be down everywhere. But trends won't be established until post COVID. An anomaly is not a trend.

(08-08-2020 12:51 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Gross Total Revenue is the only measuring stick not contaminated by creative bookkeeping. All other arguments based on just gate, just media revenue, just expenses, are apples to wheat, not even fruit to fruit.

It already is contaminated. Explain how George Washington University can have "revenues" of $31,619,765 in 2018-19 without football, and averaging a total of 2,382 per game in men's basketball. With a total of 40,488 customers (including students), that's a lot of revenue per ticket.

https://www.sportico.com/business/commer...234646029/

The link is Sportico's 2019-20 FBS public school data base.

Not directly related to athletic revenues, but a related factor is how the schools are funded. UT put out something on how they are funded. Last year it was:

30% grants, contracts and other sources
16% self-supporting and auxiliary units
6% endowment annual payout
3% gifts
22% tuition and fees

12% state available and permanent university funds
11% state appropriations

So only 11% comes annually from the state legislature. Texas does get 12% from the Permanent University Fund that was set up constitutionally (Texas had no money when they set up the university in the 1870s so they gave them a bunch of desert land in the Permian Basin, which turned out to be one of the world's biggest oil basins).

(11-11-2021 06:54 PM)bullet Wrote:  https://www.sportico.com/business/commer...234646029/

The link is Sportico's 2019-20 FBS public school data base.

Like all reporting of athletics revenue and spending, this data has serious - maybe even fatal - flaws that make comparisons useless. For example, Florida State's revenues include almost $29 million classified as "miscellaneous". That's more than 22% of their total reported revenues. Clearly, there should be more line items broken out from this huge bucket, which makes one wonder what they don't want readers to know about their activities.

Here are FSU's revenues compared with UConn's (000's):

Source...........................FSU..........UConn

Donations.....................36,758........960
Media, Conf & NCAA.......30,987......6,384
Ticket sales...................17,342......8,904
Licensing & ads..............15,404....12,263
Miscellaneous................28,754.....10,494
Institutional support...........206.....36,951


But, flaws notwithstanding, it's hard to see how and why these two institutions are competing at the same level.