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2018-2019 Gross Total Revenue for the G5
From the Equity in Athletics website

American:

Cincinnati: $53,555,898
ECU: $50,722,801
Houston: $68,285,574
Memphis: $55,494,325
Navy: N/A
SMU: $70,501,474
Temple: $60,004,621
Tulane: $37,101,339
Tulsa: $42,986,622
UCF: $68,359,639
USF: $55,103,914
Wichita St: $28,636,877

Conference USA:

Charlotte: $38,165,424
FAU: $30,885,685
FIU: $31,549,581
Louisiana Tech: $23,218,090
Marshall: $31,987,939
Middle Tennessee: $32,762,435
Old Dominion: $43,996,643
Rice: $41,870,484
UAB: $36,494,380
UNT: $40,758,584
USM: $22,804,589
UTEP: $33,740,768
UTSA: $31,155,038
WKU: $25,997,243

MAC:

Akron: $35,554,930
Ball State: $27,911,651
Bowling Green: $26,001,187
Buffalo: $37,015,023
CMU: $33,642,870
EMU: $28,601,681
Kent State: $29,074,838
Miami(Oh): $38,714,678
NIU: $26,795,495
Ohio: $28,325,005
Toledo: $33,358,750
WMU: $33,664,368

MWC:

Air Force: N/A
Boise St: $42,343,886
Colorado St: $56,081,379
Fresno St: $49,469,530
Hawaii: $45,745,380
Nevada: $43,436,728
New Mexico: $39,982,066
SDSU: $54,402,858
SJSU: $30,583,967
UNLV: $44,245,146
Utah St: $34,564,538
Wyoming: $41,252,831

SunBelt:

Appalachian St: $28,482,163
Arkansas St: $20,708,238
Coastal Carolina: $30,017,956
Ga. Southern: $20,556,842
Georgia St: $38,399,503
Louisiana: $33,840,123
South Alabama: $25,695,217
Texas State: $36,634,363
Troy: $32,704,262
UALR: $13,109,839
ULM: $15,252,816
UTA: $16,977,211

Other Conferences:

Army (Patriot): N/A
BYU (WCC): $72,622,845
Liberty (ASun): $50,593,390
NMSU (WAC): $27,013,637
UMass (A10): $40,000,150
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I think when talking about revenue, especially in the G5, it's important to include % subsidy in the discussion. A lot of these schools with >30 million dollar revenues collect most of that money from the taxpayers and student fees.
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RE: 2018-2019 Gross Total Revenue for the G5
(03-26-2020 12:10 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  From the Equity in Athletics website

American:

Cincinnati: $53,555,898
ECU: $50,722,801
Houston: $68,285,574
Memphis: $55,494,325
Navy: N/A
SMU: $70,501,474
Temple: $60,004,621
Tulane: $37,101,339
Tulsa: $42,986,622
UCF: $68,359,639
USF: $55,103,914
Wichita St: $28,636,877

Conference USA:

Charlotte: $38,165,424
FAU: $30,885,685
FIU: $31,549,581
Louisiana Tech: $23,218,090
Marshall: $31,987,939
Middle Tennessee: $32,762,435
Old Dominion: $43,996,643
Rice: $41,870,484
UAB: $36,494,380
UNT: $40,758,584
USM: $22,804,589
UTEP: $33,740,768
UTSA: $31,155,038
WKU: $25,997,243

MAC:

Akron: $35,554,930
Ball State: $27,911,651
Bowling Green: $26,001,187
Buffalo: $37,015,023
CMU: $33,642,870
EMU: $28,601,681
Kent State: $29,074,838
Miami(Oh): $38,714,678
NIU: $26,795,495
Ohio: $28,325,005
Toledo: $33,358,750
WMU: $33,664,368

MWC:

Air Force: N/A
Boise St: $42,343,886
Colorado St: $56,081,379
Fresno St: $49,469,530
Hawaii: $45,745,380
Nevada: $43,436,728
New Mexico: $39,982,066
SDSU: $54,402,858
SJSU: $30,583,967
UNLV: $44,245,146
Utah St: $34,564,538
Wyoming: $41,252,831

SunBelt:

Appalachian St: $28,482,163
Arkansas St: $20,708,238
Coastal Carolina: $30,017,956
Ga. Southern: $20,556,842
Georgia St: $38,399,503
Louisiana: $33,840,123
South Alabama: $25,695,217
Texas State: $36,634,363
Troy: $32,704,262
UALR: $13,109,839
ULM: $15,252,816
UTA: $16,977,211

Other Conferences:

Army (Patriot): N/A
BYU (WCC): $72,622,845
Liberty (ASun): $50,593,390
NMSU (WAC): $27,013,637
UMass (A10): $40,000,150
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Liberty looks real good. Throw-in success and a conference tv deal and that program could explode.
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You're welcome. One thing that really surprises me is how low revenues are for Southern Miss (USM) and Louisiana Tech. I didn't realize how little they were taking in before.
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RE: 2018-2019 Gross Total Revenue for the G5
Gross revenue includes the two biggest sources of income: Student Fees, Financial transfers from the host institution (public schools it's tax money).
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(03-26-2020 12:35 PM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  I think when talking about revenue, especially in the G5, it's important to include % subsidy in the discussion. A lot of these schools with >30 million dollar revenues collect most of that money from the taxpayers and student fees.

I haven't seen the updated numbers, but as of a few years ago, we were the lowest percent subsidized athletic department outside of the P5, and were on par with the bottom 3 or 4 in the P5. Tulane, a private university, was more heavily subsidized than we were.
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These are not revenues. These are offsets to expenses.
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(03-26-2020 01:22 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  Gross revenue includes the two biggest sources of income: Student Fees, Financial transfers from the host institution (public schools it's tax money).

Eh, more accurately it's tuition (your overall point stands though). The states allocate what they allocate, but I'm not aware of any situation where a university (particularly a G5) presents the statehouse with an athletics shortage bill at the end of the year and the state tax rates go up or down based on it. It just means tuition gets adjusted, because that's the easiest thing to raise.
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(03-26-2020 12:35 PM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  I think when talking about revenue, especially in the G5, it's important to include % subsidy in the discussion. A lot of these schools with >30 million dollar revenues collect most of that money from the taxpayers and student fees.

Yes, to get a true picture you'd need to subtract out the transfer money from the university fees.
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(03-28-2020 05:49 PM)JHG722 Wrote:  
(03-26-2020 12:35 PM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  I think when talking about revenue, especially in the G5, it's important to include % subsidy in the discussion. A lot of these schools with >30 million dollar revenues collect most of that money from the taxpayers and student fees.

I haven't seen the updated numbers, but as of a few years ago, we were the lowest percent subsidized athletic department outside of the P5, and were on par with the bottom 3 or 4 in the P5. Tulane, a private university, was more heavily subsidized than we were.

Lowest outside of P5: University of New Mexico
Highest in P5: Rutgers
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(03-28-2020 08:35 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(03-28-2020 05:49 PM)JHG722 Wrote:  
(03-26-2020 12:35 PM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  I think when talking about revenue, especially in the G5, it's important to include % subsidy in the discussion. A lot of these schools with >30 million dollar revenues collect most of that money from the taxpayers and student fees.

I haven't seen the updated numbers, but as of a few years ago, we were the lowest percent subsidized athletic department outside of the P5, and were on par with the bottom 3 or 4 in the P5. Tulane, a private university, was more heavily subsidized than we were.

Lowest outside of P5: University of New Mexico
Highest in P5: Rutgers

If you have the current data, I'd love a link. UNM was up there last time I checked, but not lower than us.
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(03-28-2020 07:22 PM)Bogg Wrote:  
(03-26-2020 01:22 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  Gross revenue includes the two biggest sources of income: Student Fees, Financial transfers from the host institution (public schools it's tax money).

Eh, more accurately it's tuition (your overall point stands though). The states allocate what they allocate, but I'm not aware of any situation where a university (particularly a G5) presents the statehouse with an athletics shortage bill at the end of the year and the state tax rates go up or down based on it. It just means tuition gets adjusted, because that's the easiest thing to raise.

Well they use the general pool of money which includes Tuition. But in many cases at directional and 3rd tier State schools the majority of tuition is paid by the State via some grant program for lower income. Chicago State for an extreme example, has over 95% of students in financial aid programs and the State of Illinois pays their tuition. So it's kind of a Peter paying Paul situation.
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Looking at the AAC I was surprised at how low Tulsa and Tulane are, well below the other football schools.
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(03-28-2020 06:01 PM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  These are not revenues. These are offsets to expenses.

Exactly. These are not real revenue figures. Let's say I had a restaurant with annual expenses of $2 million and sales of $1 million. I put another $1 million in the restaurant's bank account, so the restaurant's books are balanced. The restaurant's revenue for the year is not $2 million. It's $1 million.

In order to get real revenue figures starting with the numbers in the OP, we would have to subtract all student fees and university funds used by the athletic department.
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(03-29-2020 01:15 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(03-28-2020 06:01 PM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  These are not revenues. These are offsets to expenses.

Exactly. These are not real revenue figures. Let's say I had a restaurant with annual expenses of $2 million and sales of $1 million. I put another $1 million in the restaurant's bank account, so the restaurant's books are balanced. The restaurant's revenue for the year is not $2 million. It's $1 million.

In order to get real revenue figures starting with the numbers in the OP, we would have to subtract all student fees and university funds used by the athletic department.

All G5's have at least a 25% subsidy (possibly excluding Brigham Young).
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(03-30-2020 05:29 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(03-29-2020 01:15 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(03-28-2020 06:01 PM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  These are not revenues. These are offsets to expenses.

Exactly. These are not real revenue figures. Let's say I had a restaurant with annual expenses of $2 million and sales of $1 million. I put another $1 million in the restaurant's bank account, so the restaurant's books are balanced. The restaurant's revenue for the year is not $2 million. It's $1 million.

In order to get real revenue figures starting with the numbers in the OP, we would have to subtract all student fees and university funds used by the athletic department.

All G5's have at least a 25% subsidy (possibly excluding Brigham Young).

Sorry, I forgot that we were the lowest percent subsized state school outside of the P5 at ~25%. I believe Tulsa and SMU were the only two schools subsidized less. Not sure how much it has changed since 2017, but I'd love to see the data. UNM was 2nd at 26% and Boise was 3rd at 28%.
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I don't see UConn in any of these numbers, even though other independents are shown. Now there's a program with a big subsidy.

FWIW, the EIA site was listing UConn with the Big East rather than the AAC even before they actually became members.
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(03-26-2020 01:22 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  Gross revenue includes the two biggest sources of income: Student Fees, Financial transfers from the host institution (public schools it's tax money).

Private universities that donate tuition, room, and board are going to make their revenues look much, much higher since their tuition is so expensive.
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(03-31-2020 08:57 AM)Big Frog II Wrote:  
(03-26-2020 01:22 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  Gross revenue includes the two biggest sources of income: Student Fees, Financial transfers from the host institution (public schools it's tax money).

Private universities that donate tuition, room, and board are going to make their revenues look much, much higher since their tuition is so expensive.

If so, it only balances unusually high expenses. That's why I wish they didn't include tuition at all -- it's just "funny money" that gets shuffled around but changes nothing!
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