(04-20-2020 04:04 PM)YouPeople Wrote: WVU would travel almost as good as Clemson. That is the kind of traveling, football first type program we need in this conference.
It makes so much sense it won't happen because the ACC brass is clueless when it comes to football.
West Virginia's academics could be fairly described as Junior College-esk. This will turn off Presidents who want to be seen in lofty academic peer groups. It will also be an issue any time there is a superstar in FB or MBB that can't make the ACC minimums but can make the NCAA minimums. WVU will take them eagerly. You going to mandate the ACC minimums become the WVU minimums? You going to give them an exemption to minimums for players in state and from a neighboring state? If you don't that might cause a problem in non-revenue sports which typically get homegrown talent even at the P5 level. Some of the teams in the conference will never want to play them: UVA, GT, UNC, Duke. ALL of the teams in the conference will have an issue for what passes as acceptable fan behavior in Morgantown.
Fan behavior is definitely non-negotiable. Some say it's gotten better, IDK.
I went to the WVU vs NCSU in Morgantown last Sept. I had heard all the negative things about their fan base but I was completely blown away by their civility and hospitality. It was just one game....and WVU won....but before the game it felt like Clemson. "Thanks for coming" "Need a beer?" "Everyone being nice?" "Want some food" is all I heard. I hung out with several Eers and was really impressed.
They have a nice little downtown bar scene and a funny little monorail system to get to the stadium.
Again...one game....but just saying.
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(04-20-2020 04:04 PM)YouPeople Wrote: WVU would travel almost as good as Clemson. That is the kind of traveling, football first type program we need in this conference.
It makes so much sense it won't happen because the ACC brass is clueless when it comes to football.
West Virginia's academics could be fairly described as Junior College-esk. This will turn off Presidents who want to be seen in lofty academic peer groups. It will also be an issue any time there is a superstar in FB or MBB that can't make the ACC minimums but can make the NCAA minimums. WVU will take them eagerly. You going to mandate the ACC minimums become the WVU minimums? You going to give them an exemption to minimums for players in state and from a neighboring state? If you don't that might cause a problem in non-revenue sports which typically get homegrown talent even at the P5 level. Some of the teams in the conference will never want to play them: UVA, GT, UNC, Duke. ALL of the teams in the conference will have an issue for what passes as acceptable fan behavior in Morgantown.
Fan behavior is definitely non-negotiable. Some say it's gotten better, IDK.
I went to the WVU vs NCSU in Morgantown last Sept. I had heard all the negative things about their fan base but I was completely blown away by their civility and hospitality. It was just one game....and WVU won....but before the game it felt like Clemson. "Thanks for coming" "Need a beer?" "Everyone being nice?" "Want some food" is all I heard. I hung out with several Eers and was really impressed.
They have a nice little downtown bar scene and a funny little monorail system to get to the stadium.
Again...one game....but just saying.
I'm hearing the same things from others who have gone to games at WVU in the last couple of years. It may be a side effect of joining the Big XII? but it's been pretty consistent on the positive reviews.
(04-20-2020 04:04 PM)YouPeople Wrote: WVU would travel almost as good as Clemson. That is the kind of traveling, football first type program we need in this conference.
It makes so much sense it won't happen because the ACC brass is clueless when it comes to football.
West Virginia's academics could be fairly described as Junior College-esk. This will turn off Presidents who want to be seen in lofty academic peer groups. It will also be an issue any time there is a superstar in FB or MBB that can't make the ACC minimums but can make the NCAA minimums. WVU will take them eagerly. You going to mandate the ACC minimums become the WVU minimums? You going to give them an exemption to minimums for players in state and from a neighboring state? If you don't that might cause a problem in non-revenue sports which typically get homegrown talent even at the P5 level. Some of the teams in the conference will never want to play them: UVA, GT, UNC, Duke. ALL of the teams in the conference will have an issue for what passes as acceptable fan behavior in Morgantown.
Fan behavior is definitely non-negotiable. Some say it's gotten better, IDK.
I went to the WVU vs NCSU in Morgantown last Sept. I had heard all the negative things about their fan base but I was completely blown away by their civility and hospitality. It was just one game....and WVU won....but before the game it felt like Clemson. "Thanks for coming" "Need a beer?" "Everyone being nice?" "Want some food" is all I heard. I hung out with several Eers and was really impressed.
They have a nice little downtown bar scene and a funny little monorail system to get to the stadium.
Again...one game....but just saying.
I'm hearing the same things from others who have gone to games at WVU in the last couple of years. It may be a side effect of joining the Big XII? but it's been pretty consistent on the positive reviews.
Likely a side effect of them playing teams they have little history with or games with marginal significance and little at stake. We'll see what happens when Pitt plays there in 2023. I can tell you little decorum was observed from their fans that traveled to Pittsburgh for basketball in November (repeated vulgarity, blocking traffic after the game, pounding on cars).
Pitt's historic rivals offer an unappetizing choice between a stomach churning cult defending child rape enablers with undercurrents of racial tensions or sophomoric at best shine-fueled bravado. With a gun to my head I'd prefer the hoopies (that's West Virginians for the uninitiated) because at least the drunk and stupid and sometimes physical posturing is out in the open and doesn't make your skin crawl. Thank goodness for games at Notre Dame, Syracuse, Virginia Tech, or really, anywhere else.
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(04-21-2020 04:46 AM)XLance Wrote: The only proper way to realign the ACC geographically would be to ask Pitt, Syracuse, Boston College and Louisville to associate with other schools in the NE from the B1G (Rutgers, Penn State, Maryland). That group could add West Virginia, Cincinnati and Temple to form their won 10 team league.
The ACC could then forget about divisions and play a true round robin schedule (as could our friends in the north).
That would just be the Big East, sans the Basketball-Only C7.
(04-20-2020 04:04 PM)YouPeople Wrote: WVU would travel almost as good as Clemson. That is the kind of traveling, football first type program we need in this conference.
It makes so much sense it won't happen because the ACC brass is clueless when it comes to football.
West Virginia's academics could be fairly described as Junior College-esk. This will turn off Presidents who want to be seen in lofty academic peer groups. It will also be an issue any time there is a superstar in FB or MBB that can't make the ACC minimums but can make the NCAA minimums. WVU will take them eagerly. You going to mandate the ACC minimums become the WVU minimums? You going to give them an exemption to minimums for players in state and from a neighboring state? If you don't that might cause a problem in non-revenue sports which typically get homegrown talent even at the P5 level. Some of the teams in the conference will never want to play them: UVA, GT, UNC, Duke. ALL of the teams in the conference will have an issue for what passes as acceptable fan behavior in Morgantown.
Fan behavior is definitely non-negotiable. Some say it's gotten better, IDK.
I went to the WVU vs NCSU in Morgantown last Sept. I had heard all the negative things about their fan base but I was completely blown away by their civility and hospitality. It was just one game....and WVU won....but before the game it felt like Clemson. "Thanks for coming" "Need a beer?" "Everyone being nice?" "Want some food" is all I heard. I hung out with several Eers and was really impressed.
They have a nice little downtown bar scene and a funny little monorail system to get to the stadium.
Again...one game....but just saying.
Daytime game helps. But they are probably not AS bad as they used to be.
(06-29-2020 08:05 PM)GTFletch Wrote: After second thought since Swofford has annouced his retirement: If I was Commish for a Day!
ACC North
BC
UVA
VT
Louisville
Pitt
Cuse
Wake Forest
ACC South
Miami
FSU
GT
Clemson
Duke
UNC
NC State
Annual Crossovers
BC vs Miami
UVA vs UNC
VT vs GT
Louisville vs Clemson
Pitt vs Duke
Cuse vs FSU
Wake Forest vs NC State
My first thought is to say that is unacceptable to UVa and VT. At least it used to be.
The ONLY acceptable way to put UVA in a "North" division, IMO, is if you bring the entire gang - UNC, Duke, VT and UVA together. That means you only get 3 more, so Louisville must stay in the "South" division.
(07-01-2020 05:20 AM)TIGER-PAUL Wrote: They probably need to at least switch one of the Virginias with BC or Cuse but not sure anyone important really even asking for it.
Agree...a simple switch that should have occurred when Louisville entered:
Atlantic- FSU, Clemson, NCSt, WFU, VT, Louisville and BC
Coastal - Miami, GT, UNC, Duke, UVA, Pitt and Syracuse
(07-01-2020 05:20 AM)TIGER-PAUL Wrote: They probably need to at least switch one of the Virginias with BC or Cuse but not sure anyone important really even asking for it.
Agree...a simple switch that should have occurred when Louisville entered:
Atlantic- FSU, Clemson, NCSt, WFU, VT, Louisville and BC
Coastal - Miami, GT, UNC, Duke, UVA, Pitt and Syracuse
More natural rivalries are maintained
I prefer the current divisional structure but the cross division rivals line up excellently.
Cutting down to 2 would suffice, allowing the other teams to play one another twice in a 6-year rotation... an added goal would be for those 2 protected cross-overs to involve the less desirable opponents, otherwise might as well keep all 7.
A North(+WF)-South alignment can accomplish this with WF-Duke and UVA-UNC protected. Miami loses their former Big East foes, but can still play a rotation of VT-Pitt-BC every year.
(07-02-2020 04:57 PM)Crayton Wrote: Cutting down to 2 would suffice, allowing the other teams to play one another twice in a 6-year rotation... an added goal would be for those 2 protected cross-overs to involve the less desirable opponents, otherwise might as well keep all 7.
A North(+WF)-South alignment can accomplish this with WF-Duke and UVA-UNC protected. Miami loses their former Big East foes, but can still play a rotation of VT-Pitt-BC every year.
Would Duke and Wake Forest even miss their annual game? If WF goes to the North, would they want Duke as a permanent rival or would they prefer NC State? Maybe they won't even care and have no rival at all? I'd do the North w/WF and South and have just UNC/UVa as a permanent rival so all the other teams can play everyone else more often.
