If this was under Trump's watch, Trump would be hanged at town center as a pay per view event





While American health officials declared a public health emergency on April 26, 2009, then-Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano downplayed the announcement, calling it “standard operating procedure," adding that she would rather refer to it as a "declaration of emergency preparedness." It wasn't until four months later in October, that then-President Obama himself declared an H1N1 national emergency.

CNN reported in October 2009:

Since the H1N1 flu pandemic began in April, millions of people in the United States have been infected, at least 20,000 have been hospitalized and more than 1,000 have died, said Dr. Thomas Frieden, director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. [emphasis added]

Taking a bigger toll on under 60 than previously advertised.

New C.D.C. data: nearly 40 percent of patients sick enough to be hospitalized were aged 20 to 54. https://twitter.com/JoyceWhiteVance/stat...9545729024

How are some people so clueless?

1. Blaming the former administration is completely bonkers. Even if what he's saying was true (it's not or, at the very least, not completely truthful) TRUMP HAD THREE YEARS TO "FIX" IT.

2. Next up for Trumpkins, after telling us how bad Obama's response was to H1N1 out of one side of their mouths, they will tell us you can't compare the current stock market performance because H1N1 wasn't as bad out of the other side of their mouths.

3. Where is one particular persons response to the Fox video? Just crickets because the insanity of Fox News (and AM radio) is indefensible.

(03-19-2020 12:46 AM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(03-18-2020 09:59 PM)Big_Man Wrote:  

(03-18-2020 09:15 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(03-18-2020 07:35 PM)NILAW Wrote:  Opinions vary on blaming Trump's predecessors: "Trump was left with global health infrastructure": https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/48...bal-health

Blaming Trump's predecessors might have validity early in his term, but doesn't when he has had more than sufficient time to correct any alleged deficiencies.

Opinions most definitely vary on the sufficiency of the federal response: https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/...nal-crisis

Opinions cannot legitimately vary that what is important is putting aside partisanship and all politicians must work together in the best interest of all Americans.

Comparing to Obama's response with the 09 outbreak, several thousand were dead before he declared a national emergency. Amazing how Obama gets a free pass on that in that press, well not really surprising, the press were/are his employees

Comparing outbreaks is ridiculous. Fact of the matter is, if Trump had taken this thing seriously back in January and February.....and I mean serious (LIKE HOW HE TOOK THE CARAVAN SERIOUS) Fox News and his cult would have been all about stopping this thing. Instead he called it a "Hoax" "Fake News" "Numbers will be at 0" "It will be gone like a miracle". Trump probably did the most dangerous thing possible and told Fox News and their viewers to ignore this issue. He had them treat it as if it was the impeachment trial, or the Mueller investigations. Both of which would not affect people in their day to to day lives, and a new news cycle would happen and allow him to change the narrative. This thing isn't going anywhere........He's trying to call it a "Chinese Virus" to create his enemy, like Mexicans, Clinton and Obama. Thing is, people know what this thing is now, which is evident by Fox New's complete 180.

Blame Obama all you want for his outbreak, but if he would have said half the things Trump said you would have tried to get his head on a stick a month into his presidency.

Actions speak louder than words, waiting until 1000 dead to declare a national emergency, are you kidding me? If it was not for media protecting Obama.......

How can we possibly know how many people have died? This administration took 0 steps to get people tested.

I just don't see how any objective person could criticize Obama's response to H1N1 but let Trump's disaster slide.

US cases increased by more than 40% in 24 hours and soared past S. Korea and France in confirmed cases.

https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/...7b48e9ecf6

It is important to remember the "new US cases" are really due to "increased testing" with the ramp-amp in testing. People have had the virus for months, and transmitted it.

These "new cases" will indeed skyrocket as testing increases. Deaths are at 171 in the US.

From what I see, about 10 percent of the testing is coming back positive, and 90 percent with symptons are indeed negative...

ILL did about 1000 tests yesterday and 100 or so are the virus....
That means 90 percent of people so far prob have the flu....

(03-19-2020 10:14 AM)Big_Man Wrote:  I just don't see how any objective person could criticize Obama's response to H1N1 but let Trump's disaster slide.

Obama's was literally 3 orders of magnitude worse. The problem with H1N1 is there was essentially no response

Good to see that the Trump administration has reversed course on its request to cut funds for the CDC and the NIAID in its 2021 budget. https://thehill.com/policy/finance/48852...id-funding

While the horse is already out of the barn, good to see not compounding things.

(03-19-2020 02:08 PM)jjj Wrote:  It is important to remember the "new US cases" are really due to "increased testing" with the ramp-amp in testing. People have had the virus for months, and transmitted it.

These "new cases" will indeed skyrocket as testing increases. Deaths are at 171 in the US.

From what I see, about 10 percent of the testing is coming back positive, and 90 percent with symptons are indeed negative...

ILL did about 1000 tests yesterday and 100 or so are the virus....
That means 90 percent of people so far prob have the flu....

Testing is going up but the deaths are going up proportionally too. Still at about 1.6% mortality among those testing positive.

Considering deaths were at about 94 less than 2 days ago that isn't a good trend.

(03-19-2020 04:19 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(03-19-2020 10:14 AM)Big_Man Wrote:  I just don't see how any objective person could criticize Obama's response to H1N1 but let Trump's disaster slide.

Obama's was literally 3 orders of magnitude worse. The problem with H1N1 is there was essentially no response

According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, there were about 60.8 million cases of infection with the novel type of influenza virus in the U.S. between April 2009 and April 2010, with a total of approximately 274,304 hospitalizations and 12,469 deaths.

While that death toll may sound high, it’s over an entire year and, in fact, ended up being far lower than was initially expected. The strain of influenza also turned out to have a case fatality rate of just 0.02% — well below even many typical seasonal influenzas.

Everything that’s known about the new coronavirus so far suggests that it’s an entirely different beast than its most recent pandemic predecessor. Peter Jay Hotez, a professor and dean of the tropical medicine school at Baylor College of Medicine, told us that the new virus, which is known as SARS-CoV-2, is considerably more transmissible and more lethal than H1N1.

For those reasons, he said, “the urgency to contain this coronavirus is so much greater than the H1N1 2009 one was.”

(03-19-2020 04:19 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(03-19-2020 10:14 AM)Big_Man Wrote:  I just don't see how any objective person could criticize Obama's response to H1N1 but let Trump's disaster slide.

Obama's was literally 3 orders of magnitude worse. The problem with H1N1 is there was essentially no response

Again, how can you compare when Covid-19 hasn't been tested? I'd say based on celebrity contraction alone this one is worse. Tom Hanks had Corona virus when only 1,200 Americans had it. Do you really think Tom Hanks was that unlucky? More likely he had the $$$ to pay for a test and tested positive.

(03-19-2020 04:29 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(03-19-2020 04:19 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(03-19-2020 10:14 AM)Big_Man Wrote:  I just don't see how any objective person could criticize Obama's response to H1N1 but let Trump's disaster slide.

Obama's was literally 3 orders of magnitude worse. The problem with H1N1 is there was essentially no response

According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, there were about 60.8 million cases of infection with the novel type of influenza virus in the U.S. between April 2009 and April 2010, with a total of approximately 274,304 hospitalizations and 12,469 deaths.

While that death toll may sound high, it’s over an entire year and, in fact, ended up being far lower than was initially expected. The strain of influenza also turned out to have a case fatality rate of just 0.02% — well below even many typical seasonal influenzas.

Everything that’s known about the new coronavirus so far suggests that it’s an entirely different beast than its most recent pandemic predecessor. Peter Jay Hotez, a professor and dean of the tropical medicine school at Baylor College of Medicine, told us that the new virus, which is known as SARS-CoV-2, is considerably more transmissible and more lethal than H1N1.

For those reasons, he said, “the urgency to contain this coronavirus is so much greater than the H1N1 2009 one was.”

1000.America s dead and NOTHING from Obama, that is criminal

(03-19-2020 10:39 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(03-19-2020 04:29 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(03-19-2020 04:19 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(03-19-2020 10:14 AM)Big_Man Wrote:  I just don't see how any objective person could criticize Obama's response to H1N1 but let Trump's disaster slide.

Obama's was literally 3 orders of magnitude worse. The problem with H1N1 is there was essentially no response

According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, there were about 60.8 million cases of infection with the novel type of influenza virus in the U.S. between April 2009 and April 2010, with a total of approximately 274,304 hospitalizations and 12,469 deaths.

While that death toll may sound high, it’s over an entire year and, in fact, ended up being far lower than was initially expected. The strain of influenza also turned out to have a case fatality rate of just 0.02% — well below even many typical seasonal influenzas.

Everything that’s known about the new coronavirus so far suggests that it’s an entirely different beast than its most recent pandemic predecessor. Peter Jay Hotez, a professor and dean of the tropical medicine school at Baylor College of Medicine, told us that the new virus, which is known as SARS-CoV-2, is considerably more transmissible and more lethal than H1N1.

For those reasons, he said, “the urgency to contain this coronavirus is so much greater than the H1N1 2009 one was.”

1000.America s dead and NOTHING from Obama, that is criminal

I do not understand this post from Maddawgz.

(03-20-2020 03:24 AM)Big_Man Wrote:  

(03-19-2020 10:39 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(03-19-2020 04:29 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(03-19-2020 04:19 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(03-19-2020 10:14 AM)Big_Man Wrote:  I just don't see how any objective person could criticize Obama's response to H1N1 but let Trump's disaster slide.

Obama's was literally 3 orders of magnitude worse. The problem with H1N1 is there was essentially no response

According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, there were about 60.8 million cases of infection with the novel type of influenza virus in the U.S. between April 2009 and April 2010, with a total of approximately 274,304 hospitalizations and 12,469 deaths.

While that death toll may sound high, it’s over an entire year and, in fact, ended up being far lower than was initially expected. The strain of influenza also turned out to have a case fatality rate of just 0.02% — well below even many typical seasonal influenzas.

Everything that’s known about the new coronavirus so far suggests that it’s an entirely different beast than its most recent pandemic predecessor. Peter Jay Hotez, a professor and dean of the tropical medicine school at Baylor College of Medicine, told us that the new virus, which is known as SARS-CoV-2, is considerably more transmissible and more lethal than H1N1.

For those reasons, he said, “the urgency to contain this coronavirus is so much greater than the H1N1 2009 one was.”

1000.America s dead and NOTHING from Obama, that is criminal

I do not understand this post from Maddawgz.

None of his posts are accurate, that's why you don't understand them.

Report: Illinois to issue shelter in place order https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch...der-report

Please keep perspective folks! The cdc comes out each week with updates with the latest weeks flu developments and this was just posted this week:

"CDC estimates that so far this season there have been at least 38 million flu illnesses, 390,000 hospitalizations and 23,000 deaths from flu."

I think I saw one of the infection prediction graphs for the US today based on the data so far, and the worse case scenario is 150,000 infections?
(correct me if I am wrong)...this comes to a predicted (1 percent) death rate of 15k in the worse case now???
China has 81k official infections and around 11k deaths.

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Here is another post from another site that I monitor:


99% of all of Italy’s recent Covid19-associated deaths could have been caused by pre-existing chronic conditions, according to a report released by the Italian Institute of Health, ISS.

We have a world population of 7.7 billion and the BBC announced that worldwide, CV cases have reached 250.000…. cases NOT deaths. This excludes false positives and mis-attributions.

So in percentage terms it's around 0.00030% of the world population.

It won't take long for the calculation to be made that economic livelihood will begin to outweigh the danger from the virus. I put the over/under for a great rebellion to restrictions in 2.5 weeks. If you go a month with this type of economic shutdown, I feel like that is when people get into serious dire consequences. For the economy to be as shut down as it is now to continue past a month, you would need something very serious of the Spanish flu variety. 1 out of every 4 people would have to know someone that died for this to be taken as seriously as it is now.

(03-20-2020 11:18 PM)jjj Wrote:  Please keep perspective folks! The cdc comes out each week with updates with the latest weeks flu developments and this was just posted this week:

"CDC estimates that so far this season there have been at least 38 million flu illnesses, 390,000 hospitalizations and 23,000 deaths from flu."

I think I saw one of the infection prediction graphs for the US today based on the data so far, and the worse case scenario is 150,000 infections?
(correct me if I am wrong)...this comes to a predicted (1 percent) death rate of 15k in the worse case now???
China has 81k official infections and around 11k deaths.

_______________________________________________________
Here is another post from another site that I monitor:


99% of all of Italy’s recent Covid19-associated deaths could have been caused by pre-existing chronic conditions, according to a report released by the Italian Institute of Health, ISS.

We have a world population of 7.7 billion and the BBC announced that worldwide, CV cases have reached 250.000…. cases NOT deaths. This excludes false positives and mis-attributions.

So in percentage terms it's around 0.00030% of the world population.

So you're saying that basically every country in the world is over-reacting?

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html

As of 03-21-2020....300,000 cases, 12,000 deaths. Don't even compare to the standard flu. We are halfway to that flu death stat of 24k at a fraction of the cases. The death rate among those 70+ years old has been at minimum 10%