(02-20-2021 07:26 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  https://riceowls.com/sports/football/roster

It's been online for a bit but it's worth noting that the 2021 spring roster is available for viewing. The guys we already knew had left are no longer on the roster, but I guess the two we weren't sure about are Mike Collins and Austin Trammell. Those are the only seniors of note who could have returned who aren't (for now). We do have at least 5 or 6 still on the roster who were starters or key contributors through the years at Rice. We also have two new graduate transfers (the WR from New Mexico and the QB from Weber State) on the roster, as well as two of the recent recruiting class signees (Juco LB Desmyn Baker and prep school DL Jalen Hargrove) who are now on campus at Rice.

I'm very troubled by Collins' absence on the roster. I wish Trammell were coming back as well. Without Collins, we're in a delimma that I'm worried Bloomgren can't handle. His future as coach hangs in the balance. Will he develop a known commodity in Jovanni Johnson, or role the dice with another graduate transfer? I know what I would do, aside from praying that Collins comes back. I'm worried about next season, whereas before this I was confident. This OC hire could be big. Someone needs to come in and put all the parts together.

(02-23-2021 01:01 AM)Ourland Wrote:  

(02-20-2021 07:26 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  https://riceowls.com/sports/football/roster

It's been online for a bit but it's worth noting that the 2021 spring roster is available for viewing. The guys we already knew had left are no longer on the roster, but I guess the two we weren't sure about are Mike Collins and Austin Trammell. Those are the only seniors of note who could have returned who aren't (for now). We do have at least 5 or 6 still on the roster who were starters or key contributors through the years at Rice. We also have two new graduate transfers (the WR from New Mexico and the QB from Weber State) on the roster, as well as two of the recent recruiting class signees (Juco LB Desmyn Baker and prep school DL Jalen Hargrove) who are now on campus at Rice.

I'm very troubled by Collins' absence on the roster. I wish Trammell were coming back as well. Without Collins, we're in a delimma that I'm worried Bloomgren can't handle. His future as coach hangs in the balance. Will he develop a known commodity in Jovanni Johnson, or role the dice with another graduate transfer? I know what I would do, aside from praying that Collins comes back. I'm worried about next season, whereas before this I was confident. This OC hire could be big. Someone needs to come in and put all the parts together.

I noted with interest that Jordan Meyers is still on the roster. My concerns center on the fact that for a run first offense, we are lacking a lot of scholarship depth at running back. Losing Jawan King is problematic.

(02-23-2021 01:01 AM)Ourland Wrote:  Someone needs to come in and put all the parts together.

That is Bloomgren's responsibility. That's what he was hired for.

(02-23-2021 09:15 AM)Pan95 Wrote:  

(02-23-2021 01:01 AM)Ourland Wrote:  

(02-20-2021 07:26 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  https://riceowls.com/sports/football/roster

It's been online for a bit but it's worth noting that the 2021 spring roster is available for viewing. The guys we already knew had left are no longer on the roster, but I guess the two we weren't sure about are Mike Collins and Austin Trammell. Those are the only seniors of note who could have returned who aren't (for now). We do have at least 5 or 6 still on the roster who were starters or key contributors through the years at Rice. We also have two new graduate transfers (the WR from New Mexico and the QB from Weber State) on the roster, as well as two of the recent recruiting class signees (Juco LB Desmyn Baker and prep school DL Jalen Hargrove) who are now on campus at Rice.

I'm very troubled by Collins' absence on the roster. I wish Trammell were coming back as well. Without Collins, we're in a delimma that I'm worried Bloomgren can't handle. His future as coach hangs in the balance. Will he develop a known commodity in Jovanni Johnson, or role the dice with another graduate transfer? I know what I would do, aside from praying that Collins comes back. I'm worried about next season, whereas before this I was confident. This OC hire could be big. Someone needs to come in and put all the parts together.

I noted with interest that Jordan Meyers is still on the roster. My concerns center on the fact that for a run first offense, we are lacking a lot of scholarship depth at running back. Losing Jawan King is problematic.

I'm also ecstatic about Myers returning. I hope we can find some quick receivers to complement him. Last season none of our guys were able to separate themselves from their db. Rozner will help, but we need speed at WR.

(02-23-2021 09:37 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(02-23-2021 01:01 AM)Ourland Wrote:  Someone needs to come in and put all the parts together.

That is Bloomgren's responsibility. That's what he was hired for.

That's what worries me.

(02-23-2021 11:38 PM)Ourland Wrote:  

(02-23-2021 09:15 AM)Pan95 Wrote:  

(02-23-2021 01:01 AM)Ourland Wrote:  

(02-20-2021 07:26 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  https://riceowls.com/sports/football/roster

It's been online for a bit but it's worth noting that the 2021 spring roster is available for viewing. The guys we already knew had left are no longer on the roster, but I guess the two we weren't sure about are Mike Collins and Austin Trammell. Those are the only seniors of note who could have returned who aren't (for now). We do have at least 5 or 6 still on the roster who were starters or key contributors through the years at Rice. We also have two new graduate transfers (the WR from New Mexico and the QB from Weber State) on the roster, as well as two of the recent recruiting class signees (Juco LB Desmyn Baker and prep school DL Jalen Hargrove) who are now on campus at Rice.

I'm very troubled by Collins' absence on the roster. I wish Trammell were coming back as well. Without Collins, we're in a delimma that I'm worried Bloomgren can't handle. His future as coach hangs in the balance. Will he develop a known commodity in Jovanni Johnson, or role the dice with another graduate transfer? I know what I would do, aside from praying that Collins comes back. I'm worried about next season, whereas before this I was confident. This OC hire could be big. Someone needs to come in and put all the parts together.

I noted with interest that Jordan Meyers is still on the roster. My concerns center on the fact that for a run first offense, we are lacking a lot of scholarship depth at running back. Losing Jawan King is problematic.

I'm also ecstatic about Myers returning. I hope we can find some quick receivers to complement him. Last season none of our guys were able to separate themselves from their db. Rozner will help, but we need speed at WR.

Speed is over-rated. You can be quite a WR with......limited speed resources.

(02-24-2021 01:48 PM)ruowls Wrote:  

(02-23-2021 11:38 PM)Ourland Wrote:  

(02-23-2021 09:15 AM)Pan95 Wrote:  

(02-23-2021 01:01 AM)Ourland Wrote:  

(02-20-2021 07:26 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  https://riceowls.com/sports/football/roster

It's been online for a bit but it's worth noting that the 2021 spring roster is available for viewing. The guys we already knew had left are no longer on the roster, but I guess the two we weren't sure about are Mike Collins and Austin Trammell. Those are the only seniors of note who could have returned who aren't (for now). We do have at least 5 or 6 still on the roster who were starters or key contributors through the years at Rice. We also have two new graduate transfers (the WR from New Mexico and the QB from Weber State) on the roster, as well as two of the recent recruiting class signees (Juco LB Desmyn Baker and prep school DL Jalen Hargrove) who are now on campus at Rice.

I'm very troubled by Collins' absence on the roster. I wish Trammell were coming back as well. Without Collins, we're in a delimma that I'm worried Bloomgren can't handle. His future as coach hangs in the balance. Will he develop a known commodity in Jovanni Johnson, or role the dice with another graduate transfer? I know what I would do, aside from praying that Collins comes back. I'm worried about next season, whereas before this I was confident. This OC hire could be big. Someone needs to come in and put all the parts together.

I noted with interest that Jordan Meyers is still on the roster. My concerns center on the fact that for a run first offense, we are lacking a lot of scholarship depth at running back. Losing Jawan King is problematic.

I'm also ecstatic about Myers returning. I hope we can find some quick receivers to complement him. Last season none of our guys were able to separate themselves from their db. Rozner will help, but we need speed at WR.

Speed is over-rated. You can be quite a WR with......limited speed resources.

Wish the Owls had someone on the staff that could coach that.

(02-24-2021 01:54 PM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  

(02-24-2021 01:48 PM)ruowls Wrote:  

(02-23-2021 11:38 PM)Ourland Wrote:  

(02-23-2021 09:15 AM)Pan95 Wrote:  

(02-23-2021 01:01 AM)Ourland Wrote:  I'm very troubled by Collins' absence on the roster. I wish Trammell were coming back as well. Without Collins, we're in a delimma that I'm worried Bloomgren can't handle. His future as coach hangs in the balance. Will he develop a known commodity in Jovanni Johnson, or role the dice with another graduate transfer? I know what I would do, aside from praying that Collins comes back. I'm worried about next season, whereas before this I was confident. This OC hire could be big. Someone needs to come in and put all the parts together.

I noted with interest that Jordan Meyers is still on the roster. My concerns center on the fact that for a run first offense, we are lacking a lot of scholarship depth at running back. Losing Jawan King is problematic.

I'm also ecstatic about Myers returning. I hope we can find some quick receivers to complement him. Last season none of our guys were able to separate themselves from their db. Rozner will help, but we need speed at WR.

Speed is over-rated. You can be quite a WR with......limited speed resources.

Wish the Owls had someone on the staff that could coach that.

Maybe the new OC can do it.

I do know it is possible.....with the right tutelage.

Just curious....How much speed do most think is needed?

(02-24-2021 02:32 PM)ruowls Wrote:  

(02-24-2021 01:54 PM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  

(02-24-2021 01:48 PM)ruowls Wrote:  

(02-23-2021 11:38 PM)Ourland Wrote:  

(02-23-2021 09:15 AM)Pan95 Wrote:  I noted with interest that Jordan Meyers is still on the roster. My concerns center on the fact that for a run first offense, we are lacking a lot of scholarship depth at running back. Losing Jawan King is problematic.

I'm also ecstatic about Myers returning. I hope we can find some quick receivers to complement him. Last season none of our guys were able to separate themselves from their db. Rozner will help, but we need speed at WR.

Speed is over-rated. You can be quite a WR with......limited speed resources.

Wish the Owls had someone on the staff that could coach that.

Maybe the new OC can do it.

I do know it is possible.....with the right tutelage.

Just curious....How much speed do most think is needed?

Speed is good. Technique and knowhow is better.

(02-24-2021 04:38 PM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  

(02-24-2021 02:32 PM)ruowls Wrote:  

(02-24-2021 01:54 PM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  

(02-24-2021 01:48 PM)ruowls Wrote:  

(02-23-2021 11:38 PM)Ourland Wrote:  I'm also ecstatic about Myers returning. I hope we can find some quick receivers to complement him. Last season none of our guys were able to separate themselves from their db. Rozner will help, but we need speed at WR.

Speed is over-rated. You can be quite a WR with......limited speed resources.

Wish the Owls had someone on the staff that could coach that.

Maybe the new OC can do it.

I do know it is possible.....with the right tutelage.

Just curious....How much speed do most think is needed?

Speed is good. Technique and knowhow is better.

I ask because I was able to once see a Rice WR up close who ran a 10.28 100m and a 4.27 40 yard dash. He was fast.

(02-24-2021 05:18 PM)ruowls Wrote:  

(02-24-2021 04:38 PM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  

(02-24-2021 02:32 PM)ruowls Wrote:  

(02-24-2021 01:54 PM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  

(02-24-2021 01:48 PM)ruowls Wrote:  Speed is over-rated. You can be quite a WR with......limited speed resources.

Wish the Owls had someone on the staff that could coach that.

Maybe the new OC can do it.

I do know it is possible.....with the right tutelage.

Just curious....How much speed do most think is needed?

Speed is good. Technique and knowhow is better.

I ask because I was able to once see a Rice WR up close who ran a 10.28 100m and a 4.27 40 yard dash. He was fast.

We had two such guys at one point.... I think just before you arrived... The other guy had better hands and was the SWC 100 meter champ his junior year (which was the guy you mention's redshirt freshman year iirc)... and we STILL couldn't get deep. I think he had 19 catches in his best season, but did better with the Gamblers.

Have you moved yet?

After my time, but I'm guessing Stinson and Courville.

(02-24-2021 09:26 PM)wrysal Wrote:  After my time, but I'm guessing Stinson and Courville.

Vince Courville played 2 seasons with Rice after transferring from Texas Southern (how often does that happen?). He won the SWC 100 meter championship.

He had moderate success with the Gamblers in their 2 years of existence. In those 2 seasons, he had 29 receptions and 4 TDs.

Dale Walters, Donny Martin and Ernie Rogers also played with the Gamblers. Rogers's son Shaun had a much better professional career.

(02-24-2021 09:20 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(02-24-2021 05:18 PM)ruowls Wrote:  

(02-24-2021 04:38 PM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  

(02-24-2021 02:32 PM)ruowls Wrote:  

(02-24-2021 01:54 PM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  Wish the Owls had someone on the staff that could coach that.

Maybe the new OC can do it.

I do know it is possible.....with the right tutelage.

Just curious....How much speed do most think is needed?

Speed is good. Technique and knowhow is better.

I ask because I was able to once see a Rice WR up close who ran a 10.28 100m and a 4.27 40 yard dash. He was fast.

We had two such guys at one point.... I think just before you arrived... The other guy had better hands and was the SWC 100 meter champ his junior year (which was the guy you mention's redshirt freshman year iirc)... and we STILL couldn't get deep. I think he had 19 catches in his best season, but did better with the Gamblers.

Have you moved yet?

Still couldn't get deep? WOW
19 catches at Rice? It was 17.

Courville: 1981 11 catches, 218 yards, 5 TDs
1982 6 catches, 103 yards, 2 TDs
Total 17 catches, 321 yards, 7 TDs

Stinson: 1981 & 1982 No stats
1984 1 catch, 4 yards, 0 TDs
1985 7 catches, 187 yards, 2 TDs
Total 8 catches, 191 yards, 2 TDs

Combined: Total 25 catches, 512 yards, 9 TDs

So, slow Rice WRs are better.

Haven't moved yet. House closes next week and we will move 3/12 after quarter ends in school for kids. I'll call you.

Courville: 17 catches, 321 yards = 18.9 yards/catch

Stinson: 8 catches, 191 yards = 23.9 yards/catch

Nice!!

(02-24-2021 10:14 PM)WRCisforgotten79 Wrote:  

(02-24-2021 09:26 PM)wrysal Wrote:  After my time, but I'm guessing Stinson and Courville.

Vince Courville played 2 seasons with Rice after transferring from Texas Southern (how often does that happen?). He won the SWC 100 meter championship.

He had moderate success with the Gamblers in their 2 years of existence. In those 2 seasons, he had 29 receptions and 4 TDs.

Dale Walters, Donny Martin and Ernie Rogers also played with the Gamblers. Rogers's son Shaun had a much better professional career.

Interesting

Mike Renfro was an amazing receiver for the Cowboys in the 80's. No speed, but he ran very deceptive routes. He was a great "possession" receiver. Wes Weller of Texas Tech and the Patriots also comes to mind. But when I speak of "speed," I'm talking about the kind of guy who can burn a DB on a fly or post route. I'm talking about the guy that can demand attention from the Safety on every play, and who can keep a defense honest. Trammell was as close as we got to that over the past three years and now he's gone.

Jordan Myers and Brady Rozner are both big, tall, receivers. We need someone fast who can complement that.

(02-26-2021 12:23 AM)Ourland Wrote:  Mike Renfro was an amazing receiver for the Cowboys in the 80's. No speed, but he ran very deceptive routes. He was a great "possession" receiver. Wes Weller of Texas Tech and the Patriots also comes to mind. But when I speak of "speed," I'm talking about the kind of guy who can burn a DB on a fly or post route. I'm talking about the guy that can demand attention from the Safety on every play, and who can keep a defense honest. Trammell was as close as we got to that over the past three years and now he's gone.

Since we are going historical, Bullet Bob Hayes.

Quote:Jordan Myers and Brady Rozner are both big, tall, receivers. We need someone fast who can complement that.

fine, if we have him or can get him. Wasn't Knipe supposed to be a speed guy? If not, we have to make do with guys who can get open and catch the ball. That is the job of the coaching staff.

(02-26-2021 08:57 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(02-26-2021 12:23 AM)Ourland Wrote:  Mike Renfro was an amazing receiver for the Cowboys in the 80's. No speed, but he ran very deceptive routes. He was a great "possession" receiver. Wes Weller of Texas Tech and the Patriots also comes to mind. But when I speak of "speed," I'm talking about the kind of guy who can burn a DB on a fly or post route. I'm talking about the guy that can demand attention from the Safety on every play, and who can keep a defense honest. Trammell was as close as we got to that over the past three years and now he's gone.

Since we are going historical, Bullet Bob Hayes.

Quote:Jordan Myers and Brady Rozner are both big, tall, receivers. We need someone fast who can complement that.

fine, if we have him or can get him. Wasn't Knipe supposed to be a speed guy? If not, we have to make do with guys who can get open and catch the ball. That is the job of the coaching staff.

Knipe is fast, but he has been mostly injured while at Rice. Mason and Montgomery are the other speedsters. Montgomery was injured before the start of the 2020 season. Mason played as a true freshman. Mason is the kid from Tennessee who had like 7 or 8 touchdown catches in one high school game.

Unrelated to this discussion but Jawan King is transferring to Kilgore JC... Just another example of a kid entering the portal and downgrading...