Dukester

Think we were sitting a couple rows back of you at the game. Section 133?

The bobblehead they gave out was originally supposed to be passed out at last years JMU night game which was cancelled due to no fans being allowed in the stadium at that time. Wife and I had tickets for that game so we got a refund since we were not allowed to go. I jokingly asked the Duke Club people for an exchange since they were clearly passing out last years model. They got a good laugh out of that

Brian

(07-21-2021 08:56 AM)Dukester Wrote:  

(07-20-2021 07:20 AM)bobbyjmu Wrote:  Ok, now that it thankfully appears no one was seriously hurt- How was the atmosphere @ the game prior to the incident, and for the 1st pitch with Kate Gordon?
Was there a decent JMU nation turn out? How are the bobbleheads with the JMU fight song?

There were a lot more JMU fans than I expected. I'd guess about 1,500. Not everyone was wearing purple so a little hard to give too accurate a estimate.

Prior to the game they did introduce/show, each member and coach of the softball team on the main scoreboard. They were standing on the concourse behind centerfield.

Kate Gordon did throw out the first pitch.

For the game the team was seated near the third place foul pole/also near the gate of the shots.

On the scoreboard they did have a couple JMU highlight films from softball.

The bobble head was $. Nat's Mascot in JMU Jersey. There is a switch to play the JMU Fight Song. My favorite bobblehead! It does say 2000 College Series - so I guess the promotion was originally planned for last year, and moved to this year due to Covid.

It was a nice night prior to the shooting, although as also a Nat's fan was not loving the game.

i spoke with Nats rep a few years ago and he told me JMU is the number 1 college night. 3,000 + tix sold - maybe down this year with covid?

(07-21-2021 10:19 AM)PGJMU2 Wrote:  

(07-21-2021 08:56 AM)Dukester Wrote:  

(07-20-2021 07:20 AM)bobbyjmu Wrote:  Ok, now that it thankfully appears no one was seriously hurt- How was the atmosphere @ the game prior to the incident, and for the 1st pitch with Kate Gordon?
Was there a decent JMU nation turn out? How are the bobbleheads with the JMU fight song?

There were a lot more JMU fans than I expected. I'd guess about 1,500. Not everyone was wearing purple so a little hard to give too accurate a estimate.

Prior to the game they did introduce/show, each member and coach of the softball team on the main scoreboard. They were standing on the concourse behind centerfield.

Kate Gordon did throw out the first pitch.

For the game the team was seated near the third place foul pole/also near the gate of the shots.

On the scoreboard they did have a couple JMU highlight films from softball.

The bobble head was $. Nat's Mascot in JMU Jersey. There is a switch to play the JMU Fight Song. My favorite bobblehead! It does say 2000 College Series - so I guess the promotion was originally planned for last year, and moved to this year due to Covid.

It was a nice night prior to the shooting, although as also a Nat's fan was not loving the game.

i spoke with Nats rep a few years ago and he told me JMU is the number 1 college night. 3,000 + tix sold - maybe down this year with covid?

It could of been 3,000 Saturday. It was hard to estimate because unlike what they have done in the past, JMU fans could get a ticket anywhere in the park. So everyone was spread out around the stadium.

The Nationals did a nice job with the JMU night. I was glad I went.

Wouldn't surprise me. I also don't remember seeing as much marketing around this night, but I also could have not paid as much attention since I bought tickets last September.

Yeah I saw a lot of purple and a decent amount of people who were mostly wearing Nats stuff but had one of the few different Nats/JMU hats they've done over previous years. I'm always awful at judging crowd sizes and things like that but I wouldn't doubt it if you told me there were 3,000 or more JMU people there.

I did notice though that the ticket site said the first 1,500 to buy through the JMU offer got a bobblehead and that the site would be updated when those sold out. I kept checking throughout the week for open seats next to ours because we thought we might end up needing one or two more and the message was never updated to say they sold out. So either there were more bobbleheads than the advertised 1,500, they didn't sell 1,500 JMU tickets, or they just never actually updated to indicate the bobbleheads were gone.

Definitely was a fun night up until the gunshots. Obviously the Nats winning would've made it better, but it was a pretty entertaining game including a Zimmerman homer and was definitely cool seeing the softball team and all the other JMU stuff along with lots of JMU fans throughout.

(07-19-2021 04:26 PM)RamDawg Wrote:  I will add; I refuse to work or play in DC. You get outside the "tourist areas" 50% of the District is no place be without personal protection and breaking that law will get you an extended vacation.

Seems like you're painting with a pretty broad stoke, my dude. According to one source I just pulled up, DC has the 13th highest murder rate for US cities, that is true. So I guess you refuse to work or play in Richmond since they're at #11?

*caveat- as has been mentioned for other stats in this thread, different sources appear to have different 'murder rate' methodologies, so CBS's list is not the same as others.

An important thing to note for folks that want more JMU branded Washington Nationals gear. That Team Store in the Park had a bunch of the college edition Nationals hats readily available for sale. If you walk in from the Center Field entrance, they were along the wall of hats on the left hand side towards the far wall. I am thinking these hats are regularly for sale since it wasn't just the JMU ones that were available; they also had VT, GMU, GWU, etc. A pretty good collection of Who's Who and Who's Around.

(07-22-2021 07:31 AM)AssyrianDuke Wrote:  An important thing to note for folks that want more JMU branded Washington Nationals gear. That Team Store in the Park had a bunch of the college edition Nationals hats readily available for sale. If you walk in from the Center Field entrance, they were along the wall of hats on the left hand side towards the far wall. I am thinking these hats are regularly for sale since it wasn't just the JMU ones that were available; they also had VT, GMU, GWU, etc. A pretty good collection of Who's Who and Who's Around.

I saw a small stack of JMU style O’s hats for sale in the shop at a game in Baltimore, I assumed they were leftovers from previous JMU night giveaways.

Very well could be. But they are out there if there are any that are interested! It also looked different than the last one I had gotten at a JMU night, but it is possible I missed one (besides 2020).

(07-19-2021 10:47 PM)KickItToScotty Wrote:  

(07-19-2021 08:35 PM)Polish Hammer Wrote:  

(07-19-2021 08:14 PM)Middle-aged-Duke Wrote:  I do not think guns just stop working after awhile. Are they biodegradable? \s Someday, based on the info above, everyone (kids/adults) will have a gun...based on sheer volume.

Real solution: Make guns purchases as challening as getting a driver's license, along with the same level of licensing information about the buyer.
But this might weaken the efforts of those who want to fight against tyranny someday.

Many guns have been taken off the streets in gun buyback programs and then melted down. Probably not phased out at the level they’re being manufactured, but guns are disposed of.

Those involved in this particular shooting and probably the vast majority in DC are known criminals, those guns aren’t likely to have been purchased through proper channels. So making the purchase of guns much more difficult only limits the law abiding citizen from having something to defend themselves, family and property from the thugs out there with guns bought off the streets. You could ban all guns tomorrow and advise every citizen to turn their properly owned/registered guns in and it wouldn’t matter, you’d still have these guns out there and dozens of people would continue to get shot every weekend in places like Chicago.

Well if legal guns are harder to get then illegal guns are going to get more expensive and harder to get too. I'm always torn on gun control, although there's gotta be a way things could be better than they are now.

I'm more about "people control" than "gun control" just like I don't believe "gun violence" is a problem but "people violence" sure seems to be a problem. I don't own firearms to protect myself from other guns, I own them to protect myself from other people.

Illegal guns and/or people illegally possessing guns commit the vast majority of gun crimes. So if these people (criminals) don't have any guns, I, a law abiding citizen has less of a reason to own/possess/carry firearms.

This country will never get the guns off the streets ("they" don't want to) so "they" can and will continue to go after the easier targets, people that obey the laws.

(07-22-2021 11:08 AM)RamDawg Wrote:  

(07-19-2021 10:47 PM)KickItToScotty Wrote:  

(07-19-2021 08:35 PM)Polish Hammer Wrote:  

(07-19-2021 08:14 PM)Middle-aged-Duke Wrote:  I do not think guns just stop working after awhile. Are they biodegradable? \s Someday, based on the info above, everyone (kids/adults) will have a gun...based on sheer volume.

Real solution: Make guns purchases as challening as getting a driver's license, along with the same level of licensing information about the buyer.
But this might weaken the efforts of those who want to fight against tyranny someday.

Many guns have been taken off the streets in gun buyback programs and then melted down. Probably not phased out at the level they’re being manufactured, but guns are disposed of.

Those involved in this particular shooting and probably the vast majority in DC are known criminals, those guns aren’t likely to have been purchased through proper channels. So making the purchase of guns much more difficult only limits the law abiding citizen from having something to defend themselves, family and property from the thugs out there with guns bought off the streets. You could ban all guns tomorrow and advise every citizen to turn their properly owned/registered guns in and it wouldn’t matter, you’d still have these guns out there and dozens of people would continue to get shot every weekend in places like Chicago.

Well if legal guns are harder to get then illegal guns are going to get more expensive and harder to get too. I'm always torn on gun control, although there's gotta be a way things could be better than they are now.

I'm more about "people control" than "gun control" just like I don't believe "gun violence" is a problem but "people violence" sure seems to be a problem. I don't own firearms to protect myself from other guns, I own them to protect myself from other people.

Illegal guns and/or people illegally possessing guns commit the vast majority of gun crimes. So if these people (criminals) don't have any guns, I, a law abiding citizen has less of a reason to own/possess/carry firearms.

This country will never get the guns off the streets ("they" don't want to) so "they" can and will continue to go after the easier targets, people that obey the laws.

Can you elaborate on how "they" are going after people that obey laws?

(07-22-2021 06:20 AM)bjk3047 Wrote:  

(07-19-2021 04:26 PM)RamDawg Wrote:  I will add; I refuse to work or play in DC. You get outside the "tourist areas" 50% of the District is no place be without personal protection and breaking that law will get you an extended vacation.

Seems like you're painting with a pretty broad stoke, my dude. According to one source I just pulled up, DC has the 13th highest murder rate for US cities, that is true. So I guess you refuse to work or play in Richmond since they're at #11?

*caveat- as has been mentioned for other stats in this thread, different sources appear to have different 'murder rate' methodologies, so CBS's list is not the same as others.

I have and still work in many large cities. DC by far is a place I feel the most uncomfortable. I avoid parts of Richmond but maybe 1% of Richmond is where I feel unsafe and never go or have a reason to go to these area's. Every city has their areas that aren't for outsiders but
I go to DC and any direction you go outside of the tourist area's I get that uneasy feeling, even if I'm just driving through. Parts of Baltimore are similar to DC, get too far away from the inner harbor area where many folks would feel uneasy. The "crime" in DC is sprawling where the crime in say Philly is in pockets. "crime" in many cities are hidden, The crime in DC is pretty visible.

(07-22-2021 11:22 AM)DoubleDogDare Wrote:  

(07-22-2021 11:08 AM)RamDawg Wrote:  

(07-19-2021 10:47 PM)KickItToScotty Wrote:  

(07-19-2021 08:35 PM)Polish Hammer Wrote:  

(07-19-2021 08:14 PM)Middle-aged-Duke Wrote:  I do not think guns just stop working after awhile. Are they biodegradable? \s Someday, based on the info above, everyone (kids/adults) will have a gun...based on sheer volume.

Real solution: Make guns purchases as challening as getting a driver's license, along with the same level of licensing information about the buyer.
But this might weaken the efforts of those who want to fight against tyranny someday.

Many guns have been taken off the streets in gun buyback programs and then melted down. Probably not phased out at the level they’re being manufactured, but guns are disposed of.

Those involved in this particular shooting and probably the vast majority in DC are known criminals, those guns aren’t likely to have been purchased through proper channels. So making the purchase of guns much more difficult only limits the law abiding citizen from having something to defend themselves, family and property from the thugs out there with guns bought off the streets. You could ban all guns tomorrow and advise every citizen to turn their properly owned/registered guns in and it wouldn’t matter, you’d still have these guns out there and dozens of people would continue to get shot every weekend in places like Chicago.

Well if legal guns are harder to get then illegal guns are going to get more expensive and harder to get too. I'm always torn on gun control, although there's gotta be a way things could be better than they are now.

I'm more about "people control" than "gun control" just like I don't believe "gun violence" is a problem but "people violence" sure seems to be a problem. I don't own firearms to protect myself from other guns, I own them to protect myself from other people.

Illegal guns and/or people illegally possessing guns commit the vast majority of gun crimes. So if these people (criminals) don't have any guns, I, a law abiding citizen has less of a reason to own/possess/carry firearms.

This country will never get the guns off the streets ("they" don't want to) so "they" can and will continue to go after the easier targets, people that obey the laws.

Can you elaborate on how "they" are going after people that obey laws?

"hell yeah were going to take away your AR 15's " Universal gun registration, arm braces, "ghost guns" magazine capacity.

I believe our gun laws need to be changed but "they" don't want to have an honest, common sense conversations, based on facts and data, so here we are....all talk and no action

(07-21-2021 08:56 AM)Dukester Wrote:  

(07-20-2021 07:20 AM)bobbyjmu Wrote:  Ok, now that it thankfully appears no one was seriously hurt- How was the atmosphere @ the game prior to the incident, and for the 1st pitch with Kate Gordon?
Was there a decent JMU nation turn out? How are the bobbleheads with the JMU fight song?

There were a lot more JMU fans than I expected. I'd guess about 1,500. Not everyone was wearing purple so a little hard to give too accurate a estimate.

Prior to the game they did introduce/show, each member and coach of the softball team on the main scoreboard. They were standing on the concourse behind centerfield.

Kate Gordon did throw out the first pitch.

For the game the team was seated near the third place foul pole/also near the gate of the shots.

On the scoreboard they did have a couple JMU highlight films from softball.

The bobble head was $. Nat's Mascot in JMU Jersey. There is a switch to play the JMU Fight Song. My favorite bobblehead! It does say 2000 College Series - so I guess the promotion was originally planned for last year, and moved to this year due to Covid.

It was a nice night prior to the shooting, although as also a Nat's fan was not loving the game.

That's the kind of marketing you can't buy with money.

(07-22-2021 11:34 AM)RamDawg Wrote:  

(07-22-2021 06:20 AM)bjk3047 Wrote:  

(07-19-2021 04:26 PM)RamDawg Wrote:  I will add; I refuse to work or play in DC. You get outside the "tourist areas" 50% of the District is no place be without personal protection and breaking that law will get you an extended vacation.

Seems like you're painting with a pretty broad stoke, my dude. According to one source I just pulled up, DC has the 13th highest murder rate for US cities, that is true. So I guess you refuse to work or play in Richmond since they're at #11?

*caveat- as has been mentioned for other stats in this thread, different sources appear to have different 'murder rate' methodologies, so CBS's list is not the same as others.

I have and still work in many large cities. DC by far is a place I feel the most uncomfortable. I avoid parts of Richmond but maybe 1% of Richmond is where I feel unsafe and never go or have a reason to go to these area's. Every city has their areas that aren't for outsiders but
I go to DC and any direction you go outside of the tourist area's I get that uneasy feeling, even if I'm just driving through. Parts of Baltimore are similar to DC, get too far away from the inner harbor area where many folks would feel uneasy. The "crime" in DC is sprawling where the crime in say Philly is in pockets. "crime" in many cities are hidden, The crime in DC is pretty visible.

RamDawg, would you say that Richmond has more lunch-pail guys that play the game the right way? While perhaps parts of DC and Baltimore are more surprisingly well-spoken?

(07-22-2021 11:34 AM)RamDawg Wrote:  

(07-22-2021 06:20 AM)bjk3047 Wrote:  

(07-19-2021 04:26 PM)RamDawg Wrote:  I will add; I refuse to work or play in DC. You get outside the "tourist areas" 50% of the District is no place be without personal protection and breaking that law will get you an extended vacation.

Seems like you're painting with a pretty broad stoke, my dude. According to one source I just pulled up, DC has the 13th highest murder rate for US cities, that is true. So I guess you refuse to work or play in Richmond since they're at #11?

*caveat- as has been mentioned for other stats in this thread, different sources appear to have different 'murder rate' methodologies, so CBS's list is not the same as others.

I have and still work in many large cities. DC by far is a place I feel the most uncomfortable. I avoid parts of Richmond but maybe 1% of Richmond is where I feel unsafe and never go or have a reason to go to these area's. Every city has their areas that aren't for outsiders but
I go to DC and any direction you go outside of the tourist area's I get that uneasy feeling, even if I'm just driving through. Parts of Baltimore are similar to DC, get too far away from the inner harbor area where many folks would feel uneasy. The "crime" in DC is sprawling where the crime in say Philly is in pockets. "crime" in many cities are hidden, The crime in DC is pretty visible.

How generously is "tourist areas" getting stretched here? Over 600k people live in the District, and a minority of those live in what I think of as tourist areas - the Mall, Georgetown, Capitol Hill, possibly parts of Penn Quarter and Chinatown. For example, I don't think of areas like Dupont Circle or Mount Pleasant as tourist areas, but they never struck me as crime-ridden, and certainly not from the relative safety of the locked doors of a moving automobile. To be fair, I haven't been in the District in more than 7 years; perhaps things have changed.

I’m all over DC fairly frequently. I don’t roll through Anacostia at night, but I also don’t feel unsafe parking at Audi field and walking around in that area.

(07-22-2021 11:34 AM)RamDawg Wrote:  

(07-22-2021 06:20 AM)bjk3047 Wrote:  

(07-19-2021 04:26 PM)RamDawg Wrote:  I will add; I refuse to work or play in DC. You get outside the "tourist areas" 50% of the District is no place be without personal protection and breaking that law will get you an extended vacation.

Seems like you're painting with a pretty broad stoke, my dude. According to one source I just pulled up, DC has the 13th highest murder rate for US cities, that is true. So I guess you refuse to work or play in Richmond since they're at #11?

*caveat- as has been mentioned for other stats in this thread, different sources appear to have different 'murder rate' methodologies, so CBS's list is not the same as others.

I have and still work in many large cities. DC by far is a place I feel the most uncomfortable. I avoid parts of Richmond but maybe 1% of Richmond is where I feel unsafe and never go or have a reason to go to these area's. Every city has their areas that aren't for outsiders but
I go to DC and any direction you go outside of the tourist area's I get that uneasy feeling, even if I'm just driving through. Parts of Baltimore are similar to DC, get too far away from the inner harbor area where many folks would feel uneasy. The "crime" in DC is sprawling where the crime in say Philly is in pockets. "crime" in many cities are hidden, The crime in DC is pretty visible.

With as much fear as you carry around with you, it's no wonder you also feel like you have to carry a gun. My 100 lb. daughter (JMU '18) lives in one of the "non-tourist" parts of town and works in a neighborhood called Northeast Boundary - the only tourists that come through there are the lost ones. She parks her car on the street and often leaves work alone after dark. She also walks to the market, runs around her neighborhood, and visits the late night Jamaican food trucks every weekend. I visit often, and we explore the city, and have never once felt in danger. She's also not afraid of snakes or bears, but freaks out over spiders, so she does have some fears, just like you. The most afraid she was, having been living in DC for almost three years now, was of the "tourists" on January 6. I understand you're very afraid, but that doesn't make your fear rational - but you do you.

(07-22-2021 01:48 PM)bjk3047 Wrote:  

(07-22-2021 11:34 AM)RamDawg Wrote:  

(07-22-2021 06:20 AM)bjk3047 Wrote:  

(07-19-2021 04:26 PM)RamDawg Wrote:  I will add; I refuse to work or play in DC. You get outside the "tourist areas" 50% of the District is no place be without personal protection and breaking that law will get you an extended vacation.

Seems like you're painting with a pretty broad stoke, my dude. According to one source I just pulled up, DC has the 13th highest murder rate for US cities, that is true. So I guess you refuse to work or play in Richmond since they're at #11?

*caveat- as has been mentioned for other stats in this thread, different sources appear to have different 'murder rate' methodologies, so CBS's list is not the same as others.

I have and still work in many large cities. DC by far is a place I feel the most uncomfortable. I avoid parts of Richmond but maybe 1% of Richmond is where I feel unsafe and never go or have a reason to go to these area's. Every city has their areas that aren't for outsiders but
I go to DC and any direction you go outside of the tourist area's I get that uneasy feeling, even if I'm just driving through. Parts of Baltimore are similar to DC, get too far away from the inner harbor area where many folks would feel uneasy. The "crime" in DC is sprawling where the crime in say Philly is in pockets. "crime" in many cities are hidden, The crime in DC is pretty visible.

RamDawg, would you say that Richmond has more lunch-pail guys that play the game the right way? While perhaps parts of DC and Baltimore are more surprisingly well-spoken?

A couple years ago Nashville had more homicides in total, and per capita than DC. My guess is RamDawg feels more comfortable around his "Their coming to take our ARs!" pals out there than DC despite that.

(07-22-2021 08:46 AM)Polish Hammer Wrote:  

(07-22-2021 07:31 AM)AssyrianDuke Wrote:  An important thing to note for folks that want more JMU branded Washington Nationals gear. That Team Store in the Park had a bunch of the college edition Nationals hats readily available for sale. If you walk in from the Center Field entrance, they were along the wall of hats on the left hand side towards the far wall. I am thinking these hats are regularly for sale since it wasn't just the JMU ones that were available; they also had VT, GMU, GWU, etc. A pretty good collection of Who's Who and Who's Around.

I saw a small stack of JMU style O’s hats for sale in the shop at a game in Baltimore, I assumed they were leftovers from previous JMU night giveaways.

At the Caps/Wizards sale today they had a bunch of Wizards hats with the various colleges on there. They were basically giving them away. Got home and sure enough somebody put one up on eBay at $30.