(03-06-2020 06:38 AM)Go College Sports Wrote:  The Big 12 averaged a 2.6 rating for 14 OTA conference games this season. The ACC averaged 1.8 for 9 OTA games. The Big XII had an additional six games on ESPN which drew a 0.71. The ACC's 11 games on ESPN drew a 0.69.

Take Texas/Oklahoma (4.5 rating) out of the Big 12 and run the average for them for their remaining 13 games.

(03-06-2020 10:25 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(03-06-2020 09:02 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(03-06-2020 06:38 AM)Go College Sports Wrote:  The Big 12 averaged a 2.6 rating for 14 OTA conference games this season. The ACC averaged 1.8 for 9 OTA games. The Big XII had an additional six games on ESPN which drew a 0.71. The ACC's 11 games on ESPN drew a 0.69.

We will see the numbers when they are released. Obviously, your numbers are for 20 games. there are a lot more games to consider. The numbers come out every year and someone posts them on this board. If you have them share them. The ACC has come in third every season since 2012. If the B12 has a better rating this season it will be the first in years.

I wouldn't be surprised that you can calculate it in a way that the ACC came in 3rd every year since 2012. But when you compare apples to apples it simply isn't true.

Now comparing apples to apples is difficult. ABC and CBS draw better than Fox. ESPN draws better than ESPN2 which draws better than FS1. Time slots matter. Competition vs. other games matters. And if you do averages, you have to consider the number of games per team. If you are rating 4 games per team in the Big 10 (because of BTN) and 6 games per team with the Big 12, you depress the Big 12 averages because you are only using the top 4 games with the Big 10. The only things that are easy to state is that the SEC is a clear #1 and that the Big 10 gets more big rated games than anyone but the SEC. And whatever the ratings, ESPN and Fox value the SEC and the Big 10 the highest.

I dont know how they compared them, but it seems that every conference was measured the same way, no matter who prepared the stats. You had an ACC blogger, who is usually very fair and honest, you had a B12 blogger and a BIG blogger. So what bias do they have to want to see the ACC in 3rd place? They all use either Nielsen or TV By The Numbers.

(03-06-2020 10:37 AM)schmolik Wrote:  

(03-06-2020 06:38 AM)Go College Sports Wrote:  The Big 12 averaged a 2.6 rating for 14 OTA conference games this season. The ACC averaged 1.8 for 9 OTA games. The Big XII had an additional six games on ESPN which drew a 0.71. The ACC's 11 games on ESPN drew a 0.69.

Take Texas/Oklahoma (4.5 rating) out of the Big 12 and run the average for them for their remaining 13 games.

Well the person who listed these stats used only 20 games, a very small sample and ignored the other 60 to 80 games played. He also didnt share where he got his info. No bias there.

(03-06-2020 09:25 AM)schmolik Wrote:  

(03-06-2020 08:58 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  The whole 9 am kickoffs idea was absurd.

Is the goal better attendance in stadiums or better TV audience? 7:30pm/8pm PT kickoffs would be better for fans in California, Oregon, Washington, etc. but mean that most fans in the East won't watch. The Pac-12 should have a primary focus to cater to its fans in its target markets first which is of course the West Coast but if it wants to grow nationally it should also cater to them as well and air games earlier in the day so Eastern and Central Time Zone fans can watch them. If the SEC counted only on fans in Alabama and Louisiana, it wouldn't be where it is today.

The premise behind a 9am PT kickoff is to accommodate the FOX "Big Noon" strategy of them placing their biggest games at noon ET. They wanted to win the time slot since most weeks CBS dominates at 3:30pm ET with the SEC and ABC usually wins in prime time. Most of FOX's biggest 2019 games aired at noon including Ohio State at Michigan, Penn State at Ohio State, Wisconsin at Ohio State, Michigan at Wisconsin, and the Red River Rivalry between Texas and Oklahoma.

FOX is apparently doubling down on the "Big Noon" strategy. At the MWC press conference, they have an interest in airing Florida State-Boise State at noon ET, which would be 10am in Boise.

https://themw.com/documents/2020/1/9//MW...script.pdf

"Q. Mark, this might be a local question, but with the
Big Noon Saturday games, a lot of times it was kind
of a lead-in for your noon eastern game. If you did
the Boise State-Florida State, would you guys be
looking at a 10:00 a.m. mountain time start or
would you try to push that back later?

MARK SILVERMAN: No, we would be looking at a very
special, unique time that would be sort of a special
event, 10:00 a.m. local start kick time. Yes, we would.
And the way we look at it, for a little explanation, as we
look at creating special events in the sports world,
whether it's an outdoor hockey game, whether it's
Midnight Madness, sometimes special time frames
make the game more unique. No one has talked about
doing anything on a regular basis, but we believe, and
I've had conversations with the Pac-12 about even an
earlier game kick start. On occasion it could create a
heck of a lot of interest, and we actually believe if we
are able to kick that game at 10:00 and it would be
airing on the FOX broadcast network, it'll most likely be
the highest-rated Boise State football game in at least
five to seven years. We think there's an incredible
audience there. We've seen it from our first year doing
it on air. We do it as a special occasion, and again, I
think it could be something everyone could rally around
and make it a fun one-time event."

You better believe FOX will ask Pac-12 schools for 9am PT kickoffs in 2020, especially if they get their hands on Michigan at Washington and/or Ohio State at Oregon. Of course the Pac-12 schools can say no. But from a national TV audience perspective the late night games (or just too many of them) hurt the Pac-12 more than a few 9am PT kickoffs will.

I get the rationale, but to do that to your actual fans that pay good money and show up to support the team is tantamount to a slap in the face.

(03-06-2020 09:02 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(03-06-2020 06:38 AM)Go College Sports Wrote:  The Big 12 averaged a 2.6 rating for 14 OTA conference games this season. The ACC averaged 1.8 for 9 OTA games. The Big XII had an additional six games on ESPN which drew a 0.71. The ACC's 11 games on ESPN drew a 0.69.

We will see the numbers when they are released. Obviously, your numbers are for 20 games. there are a lot more games to consider. The numbers come out every year and someone posts them on this board. If you have them share them. The ACC has come in third every season since 2012. If the B12 has a better rating this season it will be the first in years.

If the Big 12 has better ratings this year than the ACC, it will be because there were 2-4 ACC football games on ACCN every Saturday. Most of those games weren't rated before because they were syndicated through Raycom.

(03-06-2020 01:17 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(03-06-2020 09:02 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(03-06-2020 06:38 AM)Go College Sports Wrote:  The Big 12 averaged a 2.6 rating for 14 OTA conference games this season. The ACC averaged 1.8 for 9 OTA games. The Big XII had an additional six games on ESPN which drew a 0.71. The ACC's 11 games on ESPN drew a 0.69.

We will see the numbers when they are released. Obviously, your numbers are for 20 games. there are a lot more games to consider. The numbers come out every year and someone posts them on this board. If you have them share them. The ACC has come in third every season since 2012. If the B12 has a better rating this season it will be the first in years.

If the Big 12 has better ratings this year than the ACC, it will be because there were 2-4 ACC football games on ACCN every Saturday. Most of those games weren't rated before because they were syndicated through Raycom.

SECN and ACCN games aren't rated either.

(03-06-2020 06:38 AM)Go College Sports Wrote:  The Big 12 averaged a 2.6 rating for 14 OTA conference games this season. The ACC averaged 1.8 for 9 OTA games. The Big XII had an additional six games on ESPN which drew a 0.71. The ACC's 11 games on ESPN drew a 0.69.

I just calculated the average number of viewers for the entire 2019 regular season. I included any game in which at least one team was a member of that conference (e.g. NC State vs. WVU counted for both conferences). UPDATED: all power 5 games averaged now.

Conf. Average #Games
SEC 3.45M 58
B1G 2.67M 65
ACC 2.01M 41
XII 1.83M 53
Pac 1.72M 55

This does NOT include unmetered games, obviously.

It's close, but the ACC edges out the Big XII (by 180,000 viewers per game).

(03-06-2020 09:25 AM)schmolik Wrote:  

(03-06-2020 08:58 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  The whole 9 am kickoffs idea was absurd.

Is the goal better attendance in stadiums or better TV audience? 7:30pm/8pm PT kickoffs would be better for fans in California, Oregon, Washington, etc. but mean that most fans in the East won't watch. The Pac-12 should have a primary focus to cater to its fans in its target markets first which is of course the West Coast but if it wants to grow nationally it should also cater to them as well and air games earlier in the day so Eastern and Central Time Zone fans can watch them. If the SEC counted only on fans in Alabama and Louisiana, it wouldn't be where it is today.

You better believe FOX will ask Pac-12 schools for 9am PT kickoffs in 2020, especially if they get their hands on Michigan at Washington and/or Ohio State at Oregon. Of course the Pac-12 schools can say no. But from a national TV audience perspective the late night games (or just too many of them) hurt the Pac-12 more than a few 9am PT kickoffs will.

The idea of 9 am kickoffs is just a dumb idea. They should deep-six the idea, along with the clown that is pushing the idea. Both the Ohio State at Oregon game and the Michigan at Washington game should be on either ABC or Fox in prime time in the evening. Those matchups should never be on at 9 am on the west coast.

After dealing with the Southern California traffic all week long, I think most Trojan and Bruins fans do not want to get up early Saturday morning for a 9 am football game. As it is these days, Bruin fans are barely showing up for afternoon and night games. Plus, what is the upside of being on at the same time as Big Ten, SEC, ACC and Big 12 games? Just does not make any sense.

(03-06-2020 02:11 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(03-06-2020 09:25 AM)schmolik Wrote:  

(03-06-2020 08:58 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  The whole 9 am kickoffs idea was absurd.

Is the goal better attendance in stadiums or better TV audience? 7:30pm/8pm PT kickoffs would be better for fans in California, Oregon, Washington, etc. but mean that most fans in the East won't watch. The Pac-12 should have a primary focus to cater to its fans in its target markets first which is of course the West Coast but if it wants to grow nationally it should also cater to them as well and air games earlier in the day so Eastern and Central Time Zone fans can watch them. If the SEC counted only on fans in Alabama and Louisiana, it wouldn't be where it is today.

You better believe FOX will ask Pac-12 schools for 9am PT kickoffs in 2020, especially if they get their hands on Michigan at Washington and/or Ohio State at Oregon. Of course the Pac-12 schools can say no. But from a national TV audience perspective the late night games (or just too many of them) hurt the Pac-12 more than a few 9am PT kickoffs will.

The idea of 9 am kickoffs is just a dumb idea. They should deep-six the idea, along with the clown that is pushing the idea. Both the Ohio State at Oregon game and the Michigan at Washington game should be on either ABC or Fox in prime time in the evening. Those matchups should never be on at 9 am on the west coast.

After dealing with the Southern California traffic all week long, I think most Trojan and Bruins fans do not want to get up early Saturday morning for a 9 am football game. As it is these days, Bruin fans are barely showing up for afternoon and night games. Plus, what is the upside of being on at the same time as Big Ten, SEC, ACC and Big 12 games? Just does not make any sense.

The Big Ten, SEC, ACC, and Big 12 don't just air games at noon ET/9am PT, they air games all day until prime time in the ET. If the Pac-12 wants to air away from these other conferences, you know when they have to air.

(03-06-2020 02:27 PM)schmolik Wrote:  

(03-06-2020 02:11 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(03-06-2020 09:25 AM)schmolik Wrote:  

(03-06-2020 08:58 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  The whole 9 am kickoffs idea was absurd.

Is the goal better attendance in stadiums or better TV audience? 7:30pm/8pm PT kickoffs would be better for fans in California, Oregon, Washington, etc. but mean that most fans in the East won't watch. The Pac-12 should have a primary focus to cater to its fans in its target markets first which is of course the West Coast but if it wants to grow nationally it should also cater to them as well and air games earlier in the day so Eastern and Central Time Zone fans can watch them. If the SEC counted only on fans in Alabama and Louisiana, it wouldn't be where it is today.

You better believe FOX will ask Pac-12 schools for 9am PT kickoffs in 2020, especially if they get their hands on Michigan at Washington and/or Ohio State at Oregon. Of course the Pac-12 schools can say no. But from a national TV audience perspective the late night games (or just too many of them) hurt the Pac-12 more than a few 9am PT kickoffs will.

The idea of 9 am kickoffs is just a dumb idea. They should deep-six the idea, along with the clown that is pushing the idea. Both the Ohio State at Oregon game and the Michigan at Washington game should be on either ABC or Fox in prime time in the evening. Those matchups should never be on at 9 am on the west coast.

After dealing with the Southern California traffic all week long, I think most Trojan and Bruins fans do not want to get up early Saturday morning for a 9 am football game. As it is these days, Bruin fans are barely showing up for afternoon and night games. Plus, what is the upside of being on at the same time as Big Ten, SEC, ACC and Big 12 games? Just does not make any sense.

The Big Ten, SEC, ACC, and Big 12 don't just air games at noon ET/9am PT, they air games all day until prime time in the ET. If the Pac-12 wants to air away from these other conferences, you know when they have to air.

At 9 AM in the Pacific time zone or 12 PM EST, there are a number of games that come on. Which game is the Pac-12 going to knock out? Take October 5th from the 2019 season. The 9 AM games were:

Iowa at Michigan (FOX)
Kent State at Wisconsin (ESPNU)
Oklahoma at Kansas (ABC)
Oklahoma State at Texas Tech (FS1)
Purdue at Penn State (ESPN)
Utah State at LSU (SEC Network)
Maryland at Rutgers (BTN)
Tulane at Army (CBSSN)

What are you going to put on that will compete and/or beat that? The Pac-12 games that day were:

Arizona at Colorado (P12N) 2:30
Oregon State at UCLA (P12N) 6:00
Cal at Oregon (FOX) 5:00
Washington at Stanford (ESPN) 7:30

So on this particular day, what game do you move to the 9 AM hour and who gets bumped? There is no point in a 9 AM game unless it is on ESPN or ABC or FOX or FS1. Is Arizona at Colorado going to bump Purdue at Penn State? Or bump Oklahoma State at Texas Tech? What do you really accomplish by being on at 9:00 in the morning?

It's a two edged sword. The MWC determined they were losing more in gate and donations with odd start times than they made from TV. So they opted for half what the AAC gets rather than try to compete with the Eastern time zone.

The P12 pretty much owns the 9pm ET kickoff slots. The noon PT kickoff games are in the swamp of over saturated options of mid-afternoon, competing against the top SEC, B1G and B12 games. The P12 should target two late start, 6pm and 7pm PT games to own the late market. They also should play games on Labor Day Sunday, at least 3. With byes they only have 5 games a week after September anyway, so 2 late starts and a Friday Night should give them maximum exposure. The Oregon State vs CU or Cal vs WSU type games belong on the 3rd tier ... and like other P5 conferences, such games make up half or more of the schedule every week. You really make your money on the top two games each week. So it's a matter of marketing those, and setting up the schedule to have two such high value games a week in the time slots with the least competition from the eastern half of the country.

(03-06-2020 10:37 AM)schmolik Wrote:  

(03-06-2020 06:38 AM)Go College Sports Wrote:  The Big 12 averaged a 2.6 rating for 14 OTA conference games this season. The ACC averaged 1.8 for 9 OTA games. The Big XII had an additional six games on ESPN which drew a 0.71. The ACC's 11 games on ESPN drew a 0.69.

Take Texas/Oklahoma (4.5 rating) out of the Big 12 and run the average for them for their remaining 13 games.

Take the best game out and its still a 2.2.

You can do the same thing and take A&M-Clemson 4.0 out of the ACC and drop it to 1.6.

(03-06-2020 03:16 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(03-06-2020 02:27 PM)schmolik Wrote:  

(03-06-2020 02:11 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(03-06-2020 09:25 AM)schmolik Wrote:  

(03-06-2020 08:58 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  The whole 9 am kickoffs idea was absurd.

Is the goal better attendance in stadiums or better TV audience? 7:30pm/8pm PT kickoffs would be better for fans in California, Oregon, Washington, etc. but mean that most fans in the East won't watch. The Pac-12 should have a primary focus to cater to its fans in its target markets first which is of course the West Coast but if it wants to grow nationally it should also cater to them as well and air games earlier in the day so Eastern and Central Time Zone fans can watch them. If the SEC counted only on fans in Alabama and Louisiana, it wouldn't be where it is today.

You better believe FOX will ask Pac-12 schools for 9am PT kickoffs in 2020, especially if they get their hands on Michigan at Washington and/or Ohio State at Oregon. Of course the Pac-12 schools can say no. But from a national TV audience perspective the late night games (or just too many of them) hurt the Pac-12 more than a few 9am PT kickoffs will.

The idea of 9 am kickoffs is just a dumb idea. They should deep-six the idea, along with the clown that is pushing the idea. Both the Ohio State at Oregon game and the Michigan at Washington game should be on either ABC or Fox in prime time in the evening. Those matchups should never be on at 9 am on the west coast.

After dealing with the Southern California traffic all week long, I think most Trojan and Bruins fans do not want to get up early Saturday morning for a 9 am football game. As it is these days, Bruin fans are barely showing up for afternoon and night games. Plus, what is the upside of being on at the same time as Big Ten, SEC, ACC and Big 12 games? Just does not make any sense.

The Big Ten, SEC, ACC, and Big 12 don't just air games at noon ET/9am PT, they air games all day until prime time in the ET. If the Pac-12 wants to air away from these other conferences, you know when they have to air.

At 9 AM in the Pacific time zone or 12 PM EST, there are a number of games that come on. Which game is the Pac-12 going to knock out? Take October 5th from the 2019 season. The 9 AM games were:

Iowa at Michigan (FOX)
Kent State at Wisconsin (ESPNU)
Oklahoma at Kansas (ABC)
Oklahoma State at Texas Tech (FS1)
Purdue at Penn State (ESPN)
Utah State at LSU (SEC Network)
Maryland at Rutgers (BTN)
Tulane at Army (CBSSN)

What are you going to put on that will compete and/or beat that? The Pac-12 games that day were:

Arizona at Colorado (P12N) 2:30
Oregon State at UCLA (P12N) 6:00
Cal at Oregon (FOX) 5:00
Washington at Stanford (ESPN) 7:30

So on this particular day, what game do you move to the 9 AM hour and who gets bumped? There is no point in a 9 AM game unless it is on ESPN or ABC or FOX or FS1. Is Arizona at Colorado going to bump Purdue at Penn State? Or bump Oklahoma State at Texas Tech? What do you really accomplish by being on at 9:00 in the morning?

There is no reason for any Pac 12 school to host a 9am game unless it is a FOX "Big Noon" game. Most weeks no Pac 12 game will be the top game of the week, the only game in 2019 that probably would have qualified was on Nov. 2 when Oregon played at USC (it was FOX's highest rated game of the day, beating the noon game, Nebraska at Purdue). In 2020, Michigan at Washington and Ohio State at Oregon potentially could be FOX's biggest games those days (OSU-Oregon one of the biggest of the season). In those two games, FOX also doesn't have to worry about two teams at unusual times and the Big Ten is used to noon kickoffs.

I thought Arizona State-Oregon can be the game of the season in the Pac-12. They don't have to worry about a 9am (or 10am since it will be after DST ends). That will be scheduled for Friday evening. They likely won't have any chance to air on FOX or ABC, likely will be on cable. Those are broadcasting mistakes the Pac-12 makes. Nov. 14 has very few top games in other P5 conferences. It likely would have been one of the featured games on FOX or ABC.

(03-06-2020 01:55 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(03-06-2020 06:38 AM)Go College Sports Wrote:  The Big 12 averaged a 2.6 rating for 14 OTA conference games this season. The ACC averaged 1.8 for 9 OTA games. The Big XII had an additional six games on ESPN which drew a 0.71. The ACC's 11 games on ESPN drew a 0.69.

I just calculated the average number of viewers for the entire 2019 regular season. I included any game in which at least one team was a member of that conference (e.g. NC State vs. WVU counted for both conferences). UPDATED: all power 5 games averaged now.

Conf. Average #Games
SEC 3.45M 58
B1G 2.67M 65
ACC 2.01M 41
XII 1.83M 53
Pac 1.72M 55

This does NOT include unmetered games, obviously.

It's close, but the ACC edges out the Big XII (by 180,000 viewers per game).

I congratulate you on doing the work. And it comes out logically. SEC way ahead. Big 10 2nd. Other 3 clustered.

But it shows the Big 12 had many of its bottom games included while the others did not have as many.
SEC 4.1 games per team
Big 10 4.6 games per team
ACC 2.9 games per team
Big 12 5.3 games per team
Pac 12 4.6 games per team

Games that are on unmetered networks are generally the lowest games. For the Big 12, those are included above, dragging down its average. It had one of those sub 0.4 rated games nearly every week as one of its 4 or so rated games.

(03-06-2020 04:08 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(03-06-2020 01:55 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(03-06-2020 06:38 AM)Go College Sports Wrote:  The Big 12 averaged a 2.6 rating for 14 OTA conference games this season. The ACC averaged 1.8 for 9 OTA games. The Big XII had an additional six games on ESPN which drew a 0.71. The ACC's 11 games on ESPN drew a 0.69.

I just calculated the average number of viewers for the entire 2019 regular season. I included any game in which at least one team was a member of that conference (e.g. NC State vs. WVU counted for both conferences). UPDATED: all power 5 games averaged now.

Conf. Average #Games
SEC 3.45M 58
B1G 2.67M 65
ACC 2.01M 41
XII 1.83M 53
Pac 1.72M 55

This does NOT include unmetered games, obviously.

It's close, but the ACC edges out the Big XII (by 180,000 viewers per game).

I congratulate you on doing the work. And it comes out logically. SEC way ahead. Big 10 2nd. Other 3 clustered.

But it shows the Big 12 had many of its bottom games included while the others did not have as many.
SEC 4.1 games per team
Big 10 4.6 games per team
ACC 2.9 games per team
Big 12 5.3 games per team
Pac 12 4.6 games per team

Games that are on unmetered networks are generally the lowest games. For the Big 12, those are included above, dragging down its average. It had one of those sub 0.4 rated games nearly every week as one of its 4 or so rated games.

That's a logical conclusion, but... this was also the year the ACC Network was launched, and as a result ESPN put lots of games which would've gotten good numbers on ACCN to drive subscriptions, such as:
Georgia Tech at Clemson
Miami (FL) at North Carolina
NC State at Florida St.
North Carolina at Georgia Tech
Georgia Tech at Miami
Boston College at Clemson
Virginia at North Carolina
Florida St. at Boston College
Notre Dame at Duke
Louisville at NC State
North Carolina at NC State

(03-06-2020 04:23 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(03-06-2020 04:08 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(03-06-2020 01:55 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(03-06-2020 06:38 AM)Go College Sports Wrote:  The Big 12 averaged a 2.6 rating for 14 OTA conference games this season. The ACC averaged 1.8 for 9 OTA games. The Big XII had an additional six games on ESPN which drew a 0.71. The ACC's 11 games on ESPN drew a 0.69.

I just calculated the average number of viewers for the entire 2019 regular season. I included any game in which at least one team was a member of that conference (e.g. NC State vs. WVU counted for both conferences). UPDATED: all power 5 games averaged now.

Conf. Average #Games
SEC 3.45M 58
B1G 2.67M 65
ACC 2.01M 41
XII 1.83M 53
Pac 1.72M 55

This does NOT include unmetered games, obviously.

It's close, but the ACC edges out the Big XII (by 180,000 viewers per game).

I congratulate you on doing the work. And it comes out logically. SEC way ahead. Big 10 2nd. Other 3 clustered.

But it shows the Big 12 had many of its bottom games included while the others did not have as many.
SEC 4.1 games per team
Big 10 4.6 games per team
ACC 2.9 games per team
Big 12 5.3 games per team
Pac 12 4.6 games per team

Games that are on unmetered networks are generally the lowest games. For the Big 12, those are included above, dragging down its average. It had one of those sub 0.4 rated games nearly every week as one of its 4 or so rated games.

That's a logical conclusion, but... this was also the year the ACC Network was launched, and as a result ESPN put lots of games which would've gotten good numbers on ACCN to drive subscriptions, such as:
Georgia Tech at Clemson
Miami (FL) at North Carolina
NC State at Florida St.
North Carolina at Georgia Tech
Georgia Tech at Miami
Boston College at Clemson
Virginia at North Carolina
Florida St. at Boston College
Notre Dame at Duke
Louisville at NC State
North Carolina at NC State

Aside from the two games with Clemson, which of those do you think were there to drive subscriptions? Many of those same matchups happened in 2018. Quite a few were RSN/Raycom games because of the lack of interest. GT-Miami was on cable and drew a 0.29 rating

We can add up total viewers for all games, I guess, as was done above. That's certainly one way to do it. I have a hard time believe that 6M viewers for a week 0 Miami-Florida game or 4.5M for Duke-Alabama is indicative of the ACC's drawing, but hey, maybe it was.

(03-06-2020 10:16 PM)Go College Sports Wrote:  

(03-06-2020 04:23 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(03-06-2020 04:08 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(03-06-2020 01:55 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(03-06-2020 06:38 AM)Go College Sports Wrote:  The Big 12 averaged a 2.6 rating for 14 OTA conference games this season. The ACC averaged 1.8 for 9 OTA games. The Big XII had an additional six games on ESPN which drew a 0.71. The ACC's 11 games on ESPN drew a 0.69.

I just calculated the average number of viewers for the entire 2019 regular season. I included any game in which at least one team was a member of that conference (e.g. NC State vs. WVU counted for both conferences). UPDATED: all power 5 games averaged now.

Conf. Average #Games
SEC 3.45M 58
B1G 2.67M 65
ACC 2.01M 41
XII 1.83M 53
Pac 1.72M 55

This does NOT include unmetered games, obviously.

It's close, but the ACC edges out the Big XII (by 180,000 viewers per game).

I congratulate you on doing the work. And it comes out logically. SEC way ahead. Big 10 2nd. Other 3 clustered.

But it shows the Big 12 had many of its bottom games included while the others did not have as many.
SEC 4.1 games per team
Big 10 4.6 games per team
ACC 2.9 games per team
Big 12 5.3 games per team
Pac 12 4.6 games per team

Games that are on unmetered networks are generally the lowest games. For the Big 12, those are included above, dragging down its average. It had one of those sub 0.4 rated games nearly every week as one of its 4 or so rated games.

That's a logical conclusion, but... this was also the year the ACC Network was launched, and as a result ESPN put lots of games which would've gotten good numbers on ACCN to drive subscriptions, such as:
Georgia Tech at Clemson
Miami (FL) at North Carolina
NC State at Florida St.
North Carolina at Georgia Tech
Georgia Tech at Miami
Boston College at Clemson
Virginia at North Carolina
Florida St. at Boston College
Notre Dame at Duke
Louisville at NC State
North Carolina at NC State

Aside from the two games with Clemson, which of those do you think were there to drive subscriptions? Many of those same matchups happened in 2018. Quite a few were RSN/Raycom games because of the lack of interest. GT-Miami was on cable and drew a 0.29 rating

We can add up total viewers for all games, I guess, as was done above. That's certainly one way to do it. I have a hard time believe that 6M viewers for a week 0 Miami-Florida game or 4.5M for Duke-Alabama is indicative of the ACC's drawing, but hey, maybe it was.

Calculating relative impact, cause and effect, etc is much harder, for sure.