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D2 CIAA Conference Will Not Raid MEAC, But Will Talk Expansion Later
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The possible expansion candidates might be MEAC schools. Nobody from MEAC yet talk about moving back to D2, but they may accept the northern MEAC in the future when they talk expansion, and if the MEAC schools decides to downgrade.

Seems like a single to any MEAC schools that they will have a place in CIAA in the future.
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RE: D2 CIAA Conference Will Not Raid MEAC, But Will Talk Expansion Later
You don’t say? Imagine a historically black D2 conference willing to accept the most well known HBCUs from D1. Shocking.
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(02-29-2020 11:07 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  You don’t say? Imagine a historically black D2 conference willing to accept the most well known HBCUs from D1. Shocking.

I get what you're saying, but this might be kind of putting the pressure on the MEAC schools that are kind of thinking about it...
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RE: D2 CIAA Conference Will Not Raid MEAC, But Will Talk Expansion Later
(02-29-2020 11:07 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  You don’t say? Imagine a historically black D2 conference willing to accept the most well known HBCUs from D1. Shocking.

My thoughts exactly! It sounds like the D2 conference is just hoping THEY won't be the one to get raided. Noted by this line in the article.. "McWilliams, however, also added she hopes the MEAC doesn’t look at the CIAA to add schools."
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RE: D2 CIAA Conference Will Not Raid MEAC, But Will Talk Expansion Later
Is it really raiding if a D2 conference lets in a school who can no longer sustain D1? Seems more like helping them out.
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(03-01-2020 12:11 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Is it really raiding if a D2 conference lets in a school who can no longer sustain D1? Seems more like helping them out.

Exactly.

A long-time administrator once told me there are at least 75 schools maybe 125 that would leave Division I if the president/chancellor believed they could survive the alumni outrage.

Many schools are in the same trap local governments find themselves in. The community wants a fix to the drainage problem, or the traffic problem or they'd just like some curbs and guttering and the voters will be mad until they get that thing but the voters also won't tolerate reallocating the current budget to pay for those things because they also want the pothole repairs, a city library, and ballparks for the youth programs and they won't vote to pay for the new things either. So the local government stays in turmoil because they can't get anything done.

Likewise a number of schools are Division I but they are not offering the full compliment of scholarships and the fans are frustrated that the hoops team spends nearly all of non-conference play chasing checks and rarely playing close and then struggle against league peers as well. The fans want it fixed but won't fund the fix.

They could go Division II fully fund their sports and pay competitive salaries but the fans won't tolerate that either.
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It sounds like the NCAA ought to ratchet up the requirements for DI, forcibly moving schools down, giving the Presidents and ADs a scapegoat for why they are moving down.
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(03-02-2020 05:48 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  It sounds like the NCAA ought to ratchet up the requirements for DI, forcibly moving schools down, giving the Presidents and ADs a scapegoat for why they are moving down.


Problem, you have way too many small schools at D1 that should not be there because they do not have the fan support/number of students to sell tickets to. There are larger schools at the D2 and D3 that could help tickets at D1.
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(03-02-2020 05:48 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  It sounds like the NCAA ought to ratchet up the requirements for DI, forcibly moving schools down, giving the Presidents and ADs a scapegoat for why they are moving down.

What interest does the NCAA have in forcing down schools? It's no skin off their nose if a low-major is barely hanging on. Schools have moved from 1 to 2 and 3 -- Centenary, Birmingham-Southern, most recently Savannah State. If things are that bad, there's a door for them to take. If they choose not to, well, the hint is in the word "choose."
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RE: D2 CIAA Conference Will Not Raid MEAC, But Will Talk Expansion Later
Cuing the death nail for the MEAC.
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The CIAA tournament is actually a pretty big event, especially for a Division II conference. They average around 75,000 in weekly attendance. They have been playing at Bojangles Coliseum and Spectrum Center in Charlotte. It is moving from Charlotte to Baltimore next year.

https://www.bizjournals.com/charlotte/ne...gains.html

I don't know how these schools view themselves. I know Howard is a highly regarded school that wouldn't be interested in a move to D-II. I don't know if the other schools would see a move to D-II and the CIAA as a step down.
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Look at the date this thread was started. Those in the MEAC office hear David’s footsteps.
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There is plenty of outrage at D2 drops but remember, many of these schools grew up in the the CIAA and it has great brand equity in the HBCU South.
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Losing FAMU will be bad for the MEAC but not a death blow. They’d still have 9 for Olympic sports and 7 for football. As long as the losses stop there they are fine. Lose more than than that and they are in trouble. That could happen a number of ways:

B-C and/or S.C. St decide to drop to D2
the Big South comes for N.C. Central and/or Norfolk St

If one of those two happen they lose the football conference but could bring in Chicago St for an 8th Olympic sports member and stay afloat.

If both of those happen you might as well put a cattle call out for any warm body interested in coming up from D2
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(02-29-2020 11:07 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  You don’t say? Imagine a historically black D2 conference willing to accept the most well known HBCUs from D1. Shocking.

Did anyone but DavidSt read the link yet though?

EDIT: I have now read the link. CIAA says there's no talk of MEAC members moving down. She hopes the MEAC "is able to sustain what they have and maybe bring in somebody new", but hopes it isn't one of her schools.
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(06-02-2020 07:49 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(02-29-2020 11:07 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  You don’t say? Imagine a historically black D2 conference willing to accept the most well known HBCUs from D1. Shocking.

Did anyone but DavidSt read the link yet though?

EDIT: I have now read the link. CIAA says there's no talk of MEAC members moving down. She hopes the MEAC "is able to sustain what they have and maybe bring in somebody new", but hopes it isn't one of her schools.


They also said that MEAC schools could have a home in the CIAA when more schools leave the conference.

SIAA in the meantime could get three of their schools merged into one in Georgia and be renamed Georgia A&M.
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(06-02-2020 07:49 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(02-29-2020 11:07 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  You don’t say? Imagine a historically black D2 conference willing to accept the most well known HBCUs from D1. Shocking.

Did anyone but DavidSt read the link yet though?

EDIT: I have now read the link. CIAA says there's no talk of MEAC members moving down. She hopes the MEAC "is able to sustain what they have and maybe bring in somebody new", but hopes it isn't one of her schools.

I suspect it was a stunt to get a little attention. No harm. Sort of like when the C7 announced their intention to break away from the football schools in the Big East, and the A10 commissioner immediately and publicly extended them invitations. Or when some independent-league baseball club offers a contract to a celebrity or a major sports star that got released.

The CIAA has no more ability to raid the MEAC, even in a weakened state, than a high school has to recruit college students.
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B-C would fit with the D2 SIAA or in the ASUN.

SC St works in both the SIAA and CIAA.

Norfolk St and N.C. Central would be nice pick ups if they want to go to 14.

Howard has a fighting chance at getting grabbed by a northern conference but if not the CIAA would be a comfortable landing spot.

Morgan St, Delaware St, Coppin St, and UMES are not schools that D1 conferences would be anxious to add so CIAA would be a good fit if the rest of the conference gets picked apart.

I bet they could sell the shell of the MEAC to C-USA East for a few million.
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(06-02-2020 09:24 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(06-02-2020 07:49 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(02-29-2020 11:07 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  You don’t say? Imagine a historically black D2 conference willing to accept the most well known HBCUs from D1. Shocking.

Did anyone but DavidSt read the link yet though?

EDIT: I have now read the link. CIAA says there's no talk of MEAC members moving down. She hopes the MEAC "is able to sustain what they have and maybe bring in somebody new", but hopes it isn't one of her schools.


They also said that MEAC schools could have a home in the CIAA when more schools leave the conference.
Not in the article linked. Those words are not there.
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(06-02-2020 09:24 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  SIAA in the meantime could get three of their schools merged into one in Georgia and be renamed Georgia A&M.

Cite? Georgia loves merging institutions, but I see nothing about this on Google. Georgia A&M is only a made up HBCU for a TV show.

I'm not convinced that Albany State and Fort Valley State make sense for a merger. Certainly including Savannah State does not when you look at it on a map. Not unless you're just intending to create a system that oversees the three campuses.
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