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MBB Final week!
Akron 12-4
BGSU 12-4
NIU 10-6
BSU 9-7
UB 9-7
Kent 8-8
Toledo 7-9
Ohio 7-9
EMU 6-10
CMU 6-10
Miami 5-11
WMU 5-11
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This is the current tournament seeding.

https://twitter.com/MACSports/status/123...98624?s=19
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(02-29-2020 07:42 PM)kreed5120 Wrote:  This is the current tournament seeding.

https://twitter.com/MACSports/status/123...98624?s=19

Right now I would project the current seeding to reflect the final seeding with the exception at the top. I will take Akron to finish 1 game ahead of BG based on SOS of remaining 2 games. Here are some updated MAC tourney win percentages, based on the current seeding scenario just flipping BGSU and Akron. Ohio seems like a red flag team to me to make a deeper than expected run from their seeding position. Watch out for the Bobcats. Right now this comes out to about an 80 percent chance your MAC tourney champion is from the MAC East, ouch

1. Akron 24.1%
2. Bowling Green 21.7%
3. Buffalo 16.0%
4. Kent State 13.7%
5. Ball State 7.5%
6. Toledo 6.8%
7. Northern Illinois 4.8%
8. Ohio 3.5%
9. Eastern Michigan 1.0%
10. Central Michigan 0.3%
11. Miami-OH 0.2%
12. Western Michigan 0.1%
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(03-01-2020 09:36 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  
(02-29-2020 07:42 PM)kreed5120 Wrote:  This is the current tournament seeding.

https://twitter.com/MACSports/status/123...98624?s=19

Right now I would project the current seeding to reflect the final seeding with the exception at the top. I will take Akron to finish 1 game ahead of BG based on SOS of remaining 2 games. Here are some updated MAC tourney win percentages, based on the current seeding scenario just flipping BGSU and Akron. Ohio seems like a red flag team to me to make a deeper than expected run from their seeding position. Watch out for the Bobcats. Right now this comes out to about an 80 percent chance your MAC tourney champion is from the MAC East, ouch

1. Akron 24.1%
2. Bowling Green 21.7%
3. Buffalo 16.0%
4. Kent State 13.7%
5. Ball State 7.5%
6. Toledo 6.8%
7. Northern Illinois 4.8%
8. Ohio 3.5%
9. Eastern Michigan 1.0%
10. Central Michigan 0.3%
11. Miami-OH 0.2%
12. Western Michigan 0.1%

Honestly Kreed I would ratchet that 80% to more like 95% that the trophy goes to an East team. You do fabulous research, have you investigated the record of East vs West teams? Based on my admittedly uninformed eye test I would postulate that Kent St would have won the West if placed in that division, perhaps Ohio as well.

The difference between the two divisions in basketball is striking as the same situation does not exist in football.
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I would bet on an East team as well. The only real big caveat is that German and M.J. can take over games in a big scoring way. In a small sample size that could potentially matter.

I'm not sure how other teams faired head to head (I'd imagine not well as the top 4 seeded teams are from the East) ...

Toledo beat Akron, lost to BG twice, lost to UB, lost to KSU twice, defeated Ohio, defeated Miami. That's 3-5 vs the East in total. The Rockets are 4-4 vs. the West with 2 to go.
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(03-02-2020 06:40 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  I would bet on an East team as well. The only real big caveat is that German and M.J. can take over games in a big scoring way. In a small sample size that could potentially matter.

I'm not sure how other teams faired head to head (I'd imagine not well as the top 4 seeded teams are from the East) ...

Toledo beat Akron, lost to BG twice, lost to UB, lost to KSU twice, defeated Ohio, defeated Miami. That's 3-5 vs the East in total. The Rockets are 4-4 vs. the West with 2 to go.

Fans, Toledo is the West enigma this year. You clearly have a Big Three of players to be envied by the entire conference and you probably would have won the division, had injuries not depleted your depth. At EMU we are 2-6 against the East and that includes four losses to Miami and Ohio, favorable scheduling for sure. So between Toledo and EMU we are 5-11 against the East. Ugly.
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(03-02-2020 07:26 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  
(03-02-2020 06:40 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  I would bet on an East team as well. The only real big caveat is that German and M.J. can take over games in a big scoring way. In a small sample size that could potentially matter.

I'm not sure how other teams faired head to head (I'd imagine not well as the top 4 seeded teams are from the East) ...

Toledo beat Akron, lost to BG twice, lost to UB, lost to KSU twice, defeated Ohio, defeated Miami. That's 3-5 vs the East in total. The Rockets are 4-4 vs. the West with 2 to go.

Fans, Toledo is the West enigma this year. You clearly have a Big Three of players to be envied by the entire conference and you probably would have won the division, had injuries not depleted your depth. At EMU we are 2-6 against the East and that includes four losses to Miami and Ohio, favorable scheduling for sure. So between Toledo and EMU we are 5-11 against the East. Ugly.

Toledo's problem is they don't play defense. They have the #86 ranked offense per Kenpom, which is 2nd best in the MAC to only Akron. Their defense comes in at #237. To me that just speaks to me lack of effort and poor coaching. They should be much better than they are.
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(03-02-2020 08:22 PM)kreed5120 Wrote:  
(03-02-2020 07:26 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  
(03-02-2020 06:40 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  I would bet on an East team as well. The only real big caveat is that German and M.J. can take over games in a big scoring way. In a small sample size that could potentially matter.

I'm not sure how other teams faired head to head (I'd imagine not well as the top 4 seeded teams are from the East) ...

Toledo beat Akron, lost to BG twice, lost to UB, lost to KSU twice, defeated Ohio, defeated Miami. That's 3-5 vs the East in total. The Rockets are 4-4 vs. the West with 2 to go.

Fans, Toledo is the West enigma this year. You clearly have a Big Three of players to be envied by the entire conference and you probably would have won the division, had injuries not depleted your depth. At EMU we are 2-6 against the East and that includes four losses to Miami and Ohio, favorable scheduling for sure. So between Toledo and EMU we are 5-11 against the East. Ugly.

Toledo's problem is they don't play defense. They have the #86 ranked offense per Kenpom, which is 2nd best in the MAC to only Akron. Their defense comes in at #237. To me that just speaks to me lack of effort and poor coaching. They should be much better than they are.

The last 3 weeks have vastly improved our offensive numbers. We were scoring in the 50's a lot early in the year which led to losses UT programs under Coach K. haven't ever experienced.

I do agree he doesn't coach the best defense I've seen. Littleson is a decent on ball defender though, and with M.J are among top in steals. Knapke leads the league in blocks. W.J. leads the league in rebounds.

Lack of effort ... Our starters never come out because the bench is so short... "Want" doesn't seem like a problem to me.
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(03-02-2020 09:17 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  
(03-02-2020 08:22 PM)kreed5120 Wrote:  
(03-02-2020 07:26 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  
(03-02-2020 06:40 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  I would bet on an East team as well. The only real big caveat is that German and M.J. can take over games in a big scoring way. In a small sample size that could potentially matter.

I'm not sure how other teams faired head to head (I'd imagine not well as the top 4 seeded teams are from the East) ...

Toledo beat Akron, lost to BG twice, lost to UB, lost to KSU twice, defeated Ohio, defeated Miami. That's 3-5 vs the East in total. The Rockets are 4-4 vs. the West with 2 to go.

Fans, Toledo is the West enigma this year. You clearly have a Big Three of players to be envied by the entire conference and you probably would have won the division, had injuries not depleted your depth. At EMU we are 2-6 against the East and that includes four losses to Miami and Ohio, favorable scheduling for sure. So between Toledo and EMU we are 5-11 against the East. Ugly.

Toledo's problem is they don't play defense. They have the #86 ranked offense per Kenpom, which is 2nd best in the MAC to only Akron. Their defense comes in at #237. To me that just speaks to me lack of effort and poor coaching. They should be much better than they are.

The last 3 weeks have vastly improved our offensive numbers. We were scoring in the 50's a lot early in the year which led to losses UT programs under Coach K. haven't ever experienced.

I do agree he doesn't coach the best defense I've seen. Littleson is a decent on ball defender though, and with M.J are among top in steals. Knapke leads the league in blocks. W.J. leads the league in rebounds.

Lack of effort ... Our starters never come out because the bench is so short... "Want" doesn't seem like a problem to me.

I think the week off between the Buffalo loss and Western Michigan win allowed Toledo to rest and recharge their batteries as they seem like a different team the last 3 games than the previous 5. But with a very good Starting 5 and not much help coming off the bench, their margin for error is very small. A perfect example was Saturday when Luke Knapke went off for 31 points against Ball State and basically carried the team on his back. If he would have picked up his 5th foul the last 8 minutes of the game, Toledo most likely would have lost the game because of their lack of depth. It is going to be a "high wire" act for Toledo in these last 2 regular season games and MAC Tournament to see if they can overcome their depth issues and make a run for the Championship.
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(03-02-2020 07:26 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  
(03-02-2020 06:40 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  I would bet on an East team as well. The only real big caveat is that German and M.J. can take over games in a big scoring way. In a small sample size that could potentially matter.

I'm not sure how other teams faired head to head (I'd imagine not well as the top 4 seeded teams are from the East) ...

Toledo beat Akron, lost to BG twice, lost to UB, lost to KSU twice, defeated Ohio, defeated Miami. That's 3-5 vs the East in total. The Rockets are 4-4 vs. the West with 2 to go.

Fans, Toledo is the West enigma this year. You clearly have a Big Three of players to be envied by the entire conference and you probably would have won the division, had injuries not depleted your depth. At EMU we are 2-6 against the East and that includes four losses to Miami and Ohio, favorable scheduling for sure. So between Toledo and EMU we are 5-11 against the East. Ugly.

We only lost to Miami once (thankfully). 4 losses to Ohio and Akron.
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Huskies are 5-3 against the MAC East but a big part of that was catching a few of the MAC East teams when they were playing the worst basketball of the season like the road game @ Kent and the road game @ Buffalo
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The East vs West records are going to be heavily skewed by the fact that both Akron and BG went 7-1 against the MAC West opponents.
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Interdivisional Records

East
Akron 7-1
BGSU 7-1
Buffalo 5-3
Ohio 4-4
Kent St 3-5
Miami 3-5
Total 29-19

West
NIU 5-3
Ball St 4-4
EMU 3-5
WMU 3-5
CMU 2-6
Toledo 2-6
Total 19-29
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(03-03-2020 11:16 AM)OUVan Wrote:  Interdivisional Records

East
Akron 7-1
BGSU 7-1
Buffalo 5-3
Ohio 4-4
Kent St 3-5
Miami 3-5
Total 29-19

West
NIU 5-3
Ball St 4-4
EMU 3-5
WMU 3-5
CMU 2-6
Toledo 2-6
Total 19-29

Toledo is 3-5... Beat Ohio, Miami and Akron
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(03-03-2020 01:18 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  Toledo is 3-5... Beat Ohio, Miami and Akron

Good catch

East
Akron 7-1
BGSU 7-1
Buffalo 5-3
Ohio 4-4
Kent St 3-5
Miami 3-5
Total 29-19

West
NIU 5-3
Ball St 4-4
Toledo 3-5
WMU 3-5
CMU 2-6
EMU 2-6
Total 19-29
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(03-03-2020 01:57 PM)OUVan Wrote:  
(03-03-2020 01:18 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  Toledo is 3-5... Beat Ohio, Miami and Akron

Good catch

East
Akron 7-1
BGSU 7-1
Buffalo 5-3
Ohio 4-4
Kent St 3-5
Miami 3-5
Total 29-19

West
NIU 5-3
Ball St 4-4
Toledo 3-5
WMU 3-5
CMU 2-6
EMU 2-6
Total 19-29

thank goodness and hope this is the final year for keno at CMU
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(03-03-2020 11:16 AM)OUVan Wrote:  Interdivisional Records

East
Akron 7-1
BGSU 7-1
Buffalo 5-3
Ohio 4-4
Kent St 3-5
Miami 3-5
Total 29-19

West
NIU 5-3
Ball St 4-4
EMU 3-5
WMU 3-5
CMU 2-6
Toledo 2-6
Total 19-29

Thanks for the research Van, nice work! This should embarrass all the AD's in the West Division and should convince the MAC commissioner that it is time to join the rest of the world and eliminate the divisional alignment in basketball.
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(03-03-2020 07:06 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  
(03-03-2020 11:16 AM)OUVan Wrote:  Interdivisional Records

East
Akron 7-1
BGSU 7-1
Buffalo 5-3
Ohio 4-4
Kent St 3-5
Miami 3-5
Total 29-19

West
NIU 5-3
Ball St 4-4
EMU 3-5
WMU 3-5
CMU 2-6
Toledo 2-6
Total 19-29

Thanks for the research Van, nice work! This should embarrass all the AD's in the West Division and should convince the MAC commissioner that it is time to join the rest of the world and eliminate the divisional alignment in basketball.

Thanks for the research Van, nice work! This should embarrass all the AD's in the West Division and should convince the MAC commissioner that he is right to have divisions and not force teams in the East to play teams out West any more than necessary.
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(03-02-2020 08:22 PM)kreed5120 Wrote:  
(03-02-2020 07:26 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  
(03-02-2020 06:40 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  I would bet on an East team as well. The only real big caveat is that German and M.J. can take over games in a big scoring way. In a small sample size that could potentially matter.

I'm not sure how other teams faired head to head (I'd imagine not well as the top 4 seeded teams are from the East) ...

Toledo beat Akron, lost to BG twice, lost to UB, lost to KSU twice, defeated Ohio, defeated Miami. That's 3-5 vs the East in total. The Rockets are 4-4 vs. the West with 2 to go.

Fans, Toledo is the West enigma this year. You clearly have a Big Three of players to be envied by the entire conference and you probably would have won the division, had injuries not depleted your depth. At EMU we are 2-6 against the East and that includes four losses to Miami and Ohio, favorable scheduling for sure. So between Toledo and EMU we are 5-11 against the East. Ugly.

Toledo's problem is they don't play defense. They have the #86 ranked offense per Kenpom, which is 2nd best in the MAC to only Akron. Their defense comes in at #237. To me that just speaks to me lack of effort and poor coaching. They should be much better than they are.

That didn't age well. 50-71 tonight ... 29% from the field and 20% from three. Knapke 2 points. M.J. 12.
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(03-03-2020 10:32 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  
(03-02-2020 08:22 PM)kreed5120 Wrote:  
(03-02-2020 07:26 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  
(03-02-2020 06:40 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  I would bet on an East team as well. The only real big caveat is that German and M.J. can take over games in a big scoring way. In a small sample size that could potentially matter.

I'm not sure how other teams faired head to head (I'd imagine not well as the top 4 seeded teams are from the East) ...

Toledo beat Akron, lost to BG twice, lost to UB, lost to KSU twice, defeated Ohio, defeated Miami. That's 3-5 vs the East in total. The Rockets are 4-4 vs. the West with 2 to go.

Fans, Toledo is the West enigma this year. You clearly have a Big Three of players to be envied by the entire conference and you probably would have won the division, had injuries not depleted your depth. At EMU we are 2-6 against the East and that includes four losses to Miami and Ohio, favorable scheduling for sure. So between Toledo and EMU we are 5-11 against the East. Ugly.

Toledo's problem is they don't play defense. They have the #86 ranked offense per Kenpom, which is 2nd best in the MAC to only Akron. Their defense comes in at #237. To me that just speaks to me lack of effort and poor coaching. They should be much better than they are.

That didn't age well. 50-71 tonight ... 29% from the field and 20% from three. Knapke 2 points. M.J. 12.

Per Kenpom their defense is now ranked #243. The offense took a hit as it's now #108, but defense is still their leading problem.
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