Great news and well earned. Thanks for posting, LH.

If I had to guess, we land somewhere between 100-200.
More specifically, my guess is around 125-175.

Elon just reclassified as a National University and is ranked #84.

Samford University just reclassified as a National University and is ranked #147

Belmont University reclassified and is #166

For what its worth,

GMU is #153
VCU is #162

Wiki so take it for what it's worth, but I had to ask what the hell this all meant. An educator friend pointed me here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_...ted_States

We obviously would land in the second batch of schools there (the first group is "very high" research activity, I believe we are being considered for "high" research activity).

(02-27-2020 09:25 AM)Jmuwishyouhadadukedog Wrote:  If I had to guess, we land somewhere between 100-200.
More specifically, my guess is around 125-175.

Elon just reclassified as a National University and is ranked #84.

Samford University just reclassified as a National University and is ranked #147

Belmont University reclassified and is #166

For what its worth,

GMU is #153
VCU is #162

JMU #1 tho

Excellent news, thanks for sharing LH.

Glad it finally happened, great job for this leadership to push it over.

Whenever we hashed this in the past, Longhorn blabbed about taking decades and untold millions to reach such a classification. But as I pointed out statistically, JMU has been a handful of programs (and/or really just degrees issued) away for years.

Had no doubt it could be accomplished if it were simply made a priority so yes, thank you Mr. Alger for making it a priority. If you were standing in front of me I'd hug your baggy-suited self.

(02-27-2020 09:25 AM)Jmuwishyouhadadukedog Wrote:  If I had to guess, we land somewhere between 100-200.
More specifically, my guess is around 125-175.

Elon just reclassified as a National University and is ranked #84.

Samford University just reclassified as a National University and is ranked #147

Belmont University reclassified and is #166

For what its worth,

GMU is #153
VCU is #162

We used to be neck and neck with them in the South Regional Colleges battle. They have stepped up their game. For 53k a year to attend and board, well they should!

(02-27-2020 11:28 AM)olddawg Wrote:  

(02-27-2020 09:25 AM)Jmuwishyouhadadukedog Wrote:  If I had to guess, we land somewhere between 100-200.
More specifically, my guess is around 125-175.

Elon just reclassified as a National University and is ranked #84.

Samford University just reclassified as a National University and is ranked #147

Belmont University reclassified and is #166

For what its worth,

GMU is #153
VCU is #162

We used to be neck and neck with them in the South Regional Colleges battle. They have stepped up their game. For 53k a year to attend and board, well they should!

53k? that sounds like Ivy money more than state school.

Seem to recall us being significantly ahead of them back in the lefty era, but haven’t followed the ratings closely for years now.

Edit - just realized you are probably talking about Elon and not VCU/GMU

(02-27-2020 12:34 PM)JMURocks Wrote:  

(02-27-2020 11:28 AM)olddawg Wrote:  

(02-27-2020 09:25 AM)Jmuwishyouhadadukedog Wrote:  If I had to guess, we land somewhere between 100-200.
More specifically, my guess is around 125-175.

Elon just reclassified as a National University and is ranked #84.

Samford University just reclassified as a National University and is ranked #147

Belmont University reclassified and is #166

For what its worth,

GMU is #153
VCU is #162

We used to be neck and neck with them in the South Regional Colleges battle. They have stepped up their game. For 53k a year to attend and board, well they should!

53k? that sounds like Ivy money more than state school.

Seem to recall us being significantly ahead of them back in the lefty era, but haven’t followed the ratings closely for years now.

Edit - just realized you are probably talking about Elon and not VCU/GMU

Out of state now if you are in COB is approaching 45k so not that far off from Elon.

(02-27-2020 10:46 AM)2Buck Wrote:  Glad it finally happened, great job for this leadership to push it over.

Whenever we hashed this in the past, Longhorn blabbed about taking decades and untold millions to reach such a classification. But as I pointed out statistically, JMU has been a handful of programs (and/or really just degrees issued) away for years.

Had no doubt it could be accomplished if it were simply made a priority so yes, thank you Mr. Alger for making it a priority. If you were standing in front of me I'd hug your baggy-suited self.

Again, 2 Buck exhibits that he doesn't have a clue about this subject, or how it has come about.

This reclassification is great news, and despite your weak sauce shot at me (luv you right back) I never once "blabbed" that the process would take "decades" or cost "millions". So sit on your twisted narrative and rotate.

The upcoming reclassification was not, and is not, an accomplishment that was "simply" a matter of making it a priority. So shots at Alger and the administration are wholly off-base too. Seriously, I wonder why you're even on this website. Did you even attend JMU?

(02-27-2020 01:01 PM)jmu98 Wrote:  

(02-27-2020 12:34 PM)JMURocks Wrote:  

(02-27-2020 11:28 AM)olddawg Wrote:  

(02-27-2020 09:25 AM)Jmuwishyouhadadukedog Wrote:  If I had to guess, we land somewhere between 100-200.
More specifically, my guess is around 125-175.

Elon just reclassified as a National University and is ranked #84.

Samford University just reclassified as a National University and is ranked #147

Belmont University reclassified and is #166

For what its worth,

GMU is #153
VCU is #162

We used to be neck and neck with them in the South Regional Colleges battle. They have stepped up their game. For 53k a year to attend and board, well they should!

53k? that sounds like Ivy money more than state school.

Seem to recall us being significantly ahead of them back in the lefty era, but haven’t followed the ratings closely for years now.

Edit - just realized you are probably talking about Elon and not VCU/GMU

Out of state now if you are in COB is approaching 45k so not that far off from Elon.

Personally I think JMU should be charging even more for out of state students. As a state school JMU has an obligation to Virginia taxpayers.

(02-27-2020 01:24 PM)ShadyP Wrote:  

(02-27-2020 01:01 PM)jmu98 Wrote:  

(02-27-2020 12:34 PM)JMURocks Wrote:  

(02-27-2020 11:28 AM)olddawg Wrote:  

(02-27-2020 09:25 AM)Jmuwishyouhadadukedog Wrote:  If I had to guess, we land somewhere between 100-200.
More specifically, my guess is around 125-175.

Elon just reclassified as a National University and is ranked #84.

Samford University just reclassified as a National University and is ranked #147

Belmont University reclassified and is #166

For what its worth,

GMU is #153
VCU is #162

We used to be neck and neck with them in the South Regional Colleges battle. They have stepped up their game. For 53k a year to attend and board, well they should!

53k? that sounds like Ivy money more than state school.

Seem to recall us being significantly ahead of them back in the lefty era, but haven’t followed the ratings closely for years now.

Edit - just realized you are probably talking about Elon and not VCU/GMU

Out of state now if you are in COB is approaching 45k so not that far off from Elon.

Personally I think JMU should be charging even more for out of state students. As a state school JMU has an obligation to Virginia taxpayers.

With new classification - this could give JMU the opportunity and cover to increase both in state and out of state tuition. Then we could build out the other half of Brideforth

(02-27-2020 01:24 PM)ShadyP Wrote:  

(02-27-2020 01:01 PM)jmu98 Wrote:  

(02-27-2020 12:34 PM)JMURocks Wrote:  

(02-27-2020 11:28 AM)olddawg Wrote:  

(02-27-2020 09:25 AM)Jmuwishyouhadadukedog Wrote:  If I had to guess, we land somewhere between 100-200.
More specifically, my guess is around 125-175.

Elon just reclassified as a National University and is ranked #84.

Samford University just reclassified as a National University and is ranked #147

Belmont University reclassified and is #166

For what its worth,

GMU is #153
VCU is #162

We used to be neck and neck with them in the South Regional Colleges battle. They have stepped up their game. For 53k a year to attend and board, well they should!

53k? that sounds like Ivy money more than state school.

Seem to recall us being significantly ahead of them back in the lefty era, but haven’t followed the ratings closely for years now.

Edit - just realized you are probably talking about Elon and not VCU/GMU

Out of state now if you are in COB is approaching 45k so not that far off from Elon.

Personally I think JMU should be charging even more for out of state students. As a state school JMU has an obligation to Virginia taxpayers.

I would agree with this 20 years ago when the state provided a good deal of the funding for JMU, but this is not the case today. Out of state students are helping to keep in state tuition lower. Within reason, JMU needs to recruit the best kids available in order to keep and raise its stature.

Great news- thanks for sharing. I like the way they are positioning this... it's not THE event, but a result of our progress - go Dukes....I"m guessing we land at 163, and up from there over the years.

(02-27-2020 03:22 PM)bcp_jmu Wrote:  Great news- thanks for sharing. I like the way they are positioning this... it's not THE event, but a result of our progress - go Dukes....I"m guessing we land at 163, and up from there over the years.

Would like to think we'd place ahead of GMU/VCU and believe we are academically stronger in some ways. GMU has law school though and VCU has med school, so guess that works in their favor in ratings (not certain).

Overall, this is great news, and glad our designated profile will shift to a "national" institution. It really is a matter of the branding/profile matching what has already happened.

(02-27-2020 03:11 PM)jmu98 Wrote:  

(02-27-2020 01:24 PM)ShadyP Wrote:  

(02-27-2020 01:01 PM)jmu98 Wrote:  

(02-27-2020 12:34 PM)JMURocks Wrote:  

(02-27-2020 11:28 AM)olddawg Wrote:  We used to be neck and neck with them in the South Regional Colleges battle. They have stepped up their game. For 53k a year to attend and board, well they should!

53k? that sounds like Ivy money more than state school.

Seem to recall us being significantly ahead of them back in the lefty era, but haven’t followed the ratings closely for years now.

Edit - just realized you are probably talking about Elon and not VCU/GMU

Out of state now if you are in COB is approaching 45k so not that far off from Elon.

Personally I think JMU should be charging even more for out of state students. As a state school JMU has an obligation to Virginia taxpayers.

I would agree with this 20 years ago when the state provided a good deal of the funding for JMU, but this is not the case today. Out of state students are helping to keep in state tuition lower. Within reason, JMU needs to recruit the best kids available in order to keep and raise its stature.

Another reason JMU needs financial support for scholarships! If a JMU prospect has scholarship offers from other institutions but not from JMU, they're going to choose the other school. Dr Coltman alluded to the admissions crisis that many higher ed institutions are battling; JMU is not exempt from that national trend. If we want to attract talented minds from a diminishing pool of qualified applicants we have to be ready to back that with funding.

(02-27-2020 03:11 PM)jmu98 Wrote:  

(02-27-2020 01:24 PM)ShadyP Wrote:  

(02-27-2020 01:01 PM)jmu98 Wrote:  

(02-27-2020 12:34 PM)JMURocks Wrote:  

(02-27-2020 11:28 AM)olddawg Wrote:  We used to be neck and neck with them in the South Regional Colleges battle. They have stepped up their game. For 53k a year to attend and board, well they should!

53k? that sounds like Ivy money more than state school.

Seem to recall us being significantly ahead of them back in the lefty era, but haven’t followed the ratings closely for years now.

Edit - just realized you are probably talking about Elon and not VCU/GMU

Out of state now if you are in COB is approaching 45k so not that far off from Elon.

Personally I think JMU should be charging even more for out of state students. As a state school JMU has an obligation to Virginia taxpayers.

I would agree with this 20 years ago when the state provided a good deal of the funding for JMU, but this is not the case today. Out of state students are helping to keep in state tuition lower. Within reason, JMU needs to recruit the best kids available in order to keep and raise its stature.

Mixed feelings ... I'd like JMU to be an affordable in-state school, but also see the benefit of more out of state students. 20 years ago the state did provide a higher percentage of funding, but I believe admission criteria was higher also (higher GPA and SAT compared to today). It would be nice to see those standards go back up over time.

(02-27-2020 04:25 PM)JMURocks Wrote:  

(02-27-2020 03:11 PM)jmu98 Wrote:  

(02-27-2020 01:24 PM)ShadyP Wrote:  

(02-27-2020 01:01 PM)jmu98 Wrote:  

(02-27-2020 12:34 PM)JMURocks Wrote:  53k? that sounds like Ivy money more than state school.

Seem to recall us being significantly ahead of them back in the lefty era, but haven’t followed the ratings closely for years now.

Edit - just realized you are probably talking about Elon and not VCU/GMU

Out of state now if you are in COB is approaching 45k so not that far off from Elon.

Personally I think JMU should be charging even more for out of state students. As a state school JMU has an obligation to Virginia taxpayers.

I would agree with this 20 years ago when the state provided a good deal of the funding for JMU, but this is not the case today. Out of state students are helping to keep in state tuition lower. Within reason, JMU needs to recruit the best kids available in order to keep and raise its stature.

Mixed feelings ... I'd like JMU to be an affordable in-state school, but also see the benefit of more out of state students. 20 years ago the state did provide a higher percentage of funding, but I believe admission criteria was higher also (higher GPA and SAT compared to today). It would be nice to see those standards go back up over time.

JMU is highly coveted out of state and I think if we can raise the total of out of state students we can raise the profile.

(02-27-2020 04:18 PM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  

(02-27-2020 03:11 PM)jmu98 Wrote:  

(02-27-2020 01:24 PM)ShadyP Wrote:  

(02-27-2020 01:01 PM)jmu98 Wrote:  

(02-27-2020 12:34 PM)JMURocks Wrote:  53k? that sounds like Ivy money more than state school.

Seem to recall us being significantly ahead of them back in the lefty era, but haven’t followed the ratings closely for years now.

Edit - just realized you are probably talking about Elon and not VCU/GMU

Out of state now if you are in COB is approaching 45k so not that far off from Elon.

Personally I think JMU should be charging even more for out of state students. As a state school JMU has an obligation to Virginia taxpayers.

I would agree with this 20 years ago when the state provided a good deal of the funding for JMU, but this is not the case today. Out of state students are helping to keep in state tuition lower. Within reason, JMU needs to recruit the best kids available in order to keep and raise its stature.

Another reason JMU needs financial support for scholarships! If a JMU prospect has scholarship offers from other institutions but not from JMU, they're going to choose the other school. Dr Coltman alluded to the admissions crisis that many higher ed institutions are battling; JMU is not exempt from that national trend. If we want to attract talented minds from a diminishing pool of qualified applicants we have to be ready to back that with funding.

Giving day is around the corner!

I guess I don't get the reality that the student is in the driver's seat for scholarship money. It used to be that only the most brainy kids were in line for academic scholarships. The kind of kid where everybody in the school knew they were the smartest and brightest- they clearly stood out. Seems like w/ grade inflation & honors/AP classes being the norm rather than the exception, kids gravitate to where the money is. Kind of ironic considering the disposable income in NoVa /Richmond compared to 20-30 years ago.