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(02-27-2020 06:26 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  Did PAC dump Cheeze It Bowl?

I believe it was the other way around. I don't think either makes any sense, why wouldn't the Pac-12 be in a Phoenix bowl and why would the Big Ten want it?
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(02-27-2020 07:15 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
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(02-26-2020 04:23 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  It’s official. Date to be determined (hopefully after Christmas) but it’ll be the MW Champ vs PAC #5. An improvement from the LV Bowl.

That's a great get for the MW, the new LA stadiumand even a good one for the PAC. It's nice to match your #5 against the MW champ, if they aren't going to the access bowl.

The LA stadium is costing $5 Billion ... how is that possible when Jerry World cost less than a quarter of that?

Because this is basically a real estate project. There will be 900,000 square feet of retail space, 800,000 square feet of office space and 2,500 residential units. Add that to the earthquake standards that the stadium has to meet, access roads that need to be built or expanded and utilities, it is easy to see how it got to $5 billion.

And as mentioned above, the Stadium required to dig down 100' below ground because of LAX

Hard for me to believe that digging up ground can cost billions. I mean, I have been in Jerry World, that thing is like a Star Wars Death Star. It's amazing that the LA stadium could cost upwards of 4x as much because of digging.

It's probably not so much the digging as it is the operation of vital functions underground. If certain facilities are harder to access from the surface then that probably bumps up the costs.

We have to remember these new stadiums are technological marvels whereas the stadiums of yesteryear were just poured concrete with bleachers on top.

And of course, there's the earthquake regs and I'm sure the price of land contributes as someone else mentioned.
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It's kind of strange when you think about it...

LA is just now getting a 2nd bowl game. Other cities have had that many or more for quite a while.

As large and as tourist friendly a place as LA is, you'd think they would have had a 2nd game a long time ago especially when you consider how many bowls there are.
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(02-27-2020 09:59 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  It's kind of strange when you think about it...

LA is just now getting a 2nd bowl game. Other cities have had that many or more for quite a while.

As large and as tourist friendly a place as LA is, you'd think they would have had a 2nd game a long time ago especially when you consider how many bowls there are.

You would also have thought that Los Angeles wouldn't have gone 20+ years without an NFL team as well. Any bowl game needs a stadium. They wouldn't have played a second bowl game in the Rose Bowl and can you imagine a bowl game in the Coliseum?
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(02-27-2020 09:52 PM)schmolik Wrote:  
(02-27-2020 06:26 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  Did PAC dump Cheeze It Bowl?

I believe it was the other way around. I don't think either makes any sense, why wouldn't the Pac-12 be in a Phoenix bowl and why would the Big Ten want it?

Maybe got tired playing in a baseball field. Thought they were going to move that bowl to Sun Devil Stadium.
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(02-27-2020 04:04 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  That's a shame a out the Sun Bowl being bumped down. I really like that bowl being ACC vs. PAC12. However, if we could get a top MWC or AAC team vs. the ACC, that wouldn't be so bad.

According to SI who quoted a Pac-12 spokesperson, the Sun is ahead of the LA Bowl.

https://www.si.com/college/cal/news/la-b...ay-in-2020

"A Pac-12 spokesperson said the conference still is working out its complete 2020 bowl lineup. But he said this much is confirmed: after the Rose Bowl, the selection order will be Alamo, Las Vegas, Holiday, Sun and LA Bowl. No word on what that means to the Redbox Bowl."
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(02-27-2020 09:52 PM)schmolik Wrote:  
(02-27-2020 06:26 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  Did PAC dump Cheeze It Bowl?

I believe it was the other way around. I don't think either makes any sense, why wouldn't the Pac-12 be in a Phoenix bowl and why would the Big Ten want it?

A Phoenix bowl completely makes sense for the Big Ten. The Phoenix area has one of the largest concentrations of Big Ten grads outside of the conference footprint. Chicago is to Phoenix as NYC is to South Florida: it’s a direct pipeline, particularly for snowbirds. That’s why the State of Arizona gave so many incentives for the Cubs to stay in Cactus League when they threatened to head to Naples, Florida (another Chicago snowbird hotbed) a few years ago. The number of former Chicagoans in the area is so massive that they drive up the attendance for the entire Cactus League (not to mention supporting *multiple* Portillo’s and Lou Malnati’s locations). The Fiesta Bowl is usually more of a home game for any Big Ten team that goes there than the Pac-12, so it’s clear that the Cheez-It Bowl interest was mutual.
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Luckily I read the new posts through to the end, so I saved the time of a reply when Frank the Tank had already said it ... and better than I would have done, on top. +2
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RE: Los Angeles Bowl
(02-27-2020 11:39 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(02-27-2020 09:52 PM)schmolik Wrote:  
(02-27-2020 06:26 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  Did PAC dump Cheeze It Bowl?

I believe it was the other way around. I don't think either makes any sense, why wouldn't the Pac-12 be in a Phoenix bowl and why would the Big Ten want it?

A Phoenix bowl completely makes sense for the Big Ten. The Phoenix area has one of the largest concentrations of Big Ten grads outside of the conference footprint. Chicago is to Phoenix as NYC is to South Florida: it’s a direct pipeline, particularly for snowbirds. That’s why the State of Arizona gave so many incentives for the Cubs to stay in Cactus League when they threatened to head to Naples, Florida (another Chicago snowbird hotbed) a few years ago. The number of former Chicagoans in the area is so massive that they drive up the attendance for the entire Cactus League (not to mention supporting *multiple* Portillo’s and Lou Malnati’s locations). The Fiesta Bowl is usually more of a home game for any Big Ten team that goes there than the Pac-12, so it’s clear that the Cheez-It Bowl interest was mutual.

Then it should be Big Ten/Pac-12 and dump the Big 12. Only one current Big 12 team has never played in the Cheez It Bowl or any of the previous names of the bowl (Buffalo Wild Wings, Insight, etc). Guess who? Texas. Oklahoma appeared twice, the last time in 2011. Unless the Cheez It Bowl is much higher in the pecking order this time, what are the chances that Oklahoma sees Phoenix? Do the Big 12 schools outside of Texas/Oklahoma have a lot of alum in Arizona and even if they do are any of them relevant enough to matter?
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(02-27-2020 10:22 PM)schmolik Wrote:  
(02-27-2020 09:59 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  It's kind of strange when you think about it...

LA is just now getting a 2nd bowl game. Other cities have had that many or more for quite a while.

As large and as tourist friendly a place as LA is, you'd think they would have had a 2nd game a long time ago especially when you consider how many bowls there are.

You would also have thought that Los Angeles wouldn't have gone 20+ years without an NFL team as well. Any bowl game needs a stadium. They wouldn't have played a second bowl game in the Rose Bowl and can you imagine a bowl game in the Coliseum?

Anybody remember the Freedom Bowl? Played at Anaheim stadium from 1984 to 1994. The bowl was dissolved after the Rams left for St. Louis and Anaheim stadium reverted to a baseball only design.
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Pac 12 has its own bowl issues, being all the way one the West Coast. This was a logical pick for their #5 team after the Rose bowl. The MWC champ is the perfect foe, being they are pretty far to the west as well. It is a great grab for the MWC, but I don't really see who else made much sense to fill it.
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(02-28-2020 07:33 AM)goofus Wrote:  Anybody remember the Freedom Bowl? Played at Anaheim stadium from 1984 to 1994. The bowl was dissolved after the Rams left for St. Louis and Anaheim stadium reverted to a baseball only design.

I remember the Freedom Bowl. It was mostly but not exclusively WAC vs. Pac-10, and it had a few good match-ups over the years too: in its final year it pitted 2 teams both in the Top 15 (Arizona and Utah).

It did have a weird TV deal - it was syndicated as opposed to being on ESPN. The Bowl lost its stadium, as you pointed out, but I think it also suffered a bit from being lost in the TV shuffle.
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(02-26-2020 04:23 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  https://themw.com/news/2020/2/25/footbal...-bowl.aspx

It’s official. Date to be determined (hopefully after Christmas) but it’ll be the MW Champ vs PAC #5. An improvement from the LV Bowl.
Was the LV Bowl against PAC #6?
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(02-28-2020 12:25 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  
(02-26-2020 04:23 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  https://themw.com/news/2020/2/25/footbal...-bowl.aspx

It’s official. Date to be determined (hopefully after Christmas) but it’ll be the MW Champ vs PAC #5. An improvement from the LV Bowl.
Was the LV Bowl against PAC #6?

#6/7 ...mostly 7 depending on how you view the standings and taking consideration for the CFP and Access Bowl. But the bowl pecking order for the PAC was always the last or next to last pick.
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(02-27-2020 10:22 PM)schmolik Wrote:  
(02-27-2020 09:59 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  It's kind of strange when you think about it...

LA is just now getting a 2nd bowl game. Other cities have had that many or more for quite a while.

As large and as tourist friendly a place as LA is, you'd think they would have had a 2nd game a long time ago especially when you consider how many bowls there are.

You would also have thought that Los Angeles wouldn't have gone 20+ years without an NFL team as well. Any bowl game needs a stadium. They wouldn't have played a second bowl game in the Rose Bowl and can you imagine a bowl game in the Coliseum?

We have an NFL team (actually two if you count the Chargers) because a very wealthy guy decided to built a $5 billion dollar stadium without any public money. We have a 2nd bowl game because that very wealthy guy decided to build a $5 billion dollar stadium.
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(02-26-2020 04:26 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  lol....I guess I just lost track of "official bowl announcements" because I thought this was already official. I'd say this is probably the best G5 bowl (beyond the access bowl of course).

Wadda ya tawkin' 'bout? Who'd wanna see the Mountin' West play the Pac-12 in L.A. when you could see the 'Merican play the A.C.C. in Bah-ston? Now DERR's some football weatha! [in my best Bostonian accent]
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(02-28-2020 12:25 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  
(02-26-2020 04:23 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  https://themw.com/news/2020/2/25/footbal...-bowl.aspx

It’s official. Date to be determined (hopefully after Christmas) but it’ll be the MW Champ vs PAC #5. An improvement from the LV Bowl.
Was the LV Bowl against PAC #6?

Yes as it was bumped down last cycle after the MWC lost BYU, Utah and TCU.
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(02-28-2020 12:07 PM)Nittany_Bearcat Wrote:  
(02-28-2020 07:33 AM)goofus Wrote:  Anybody remember the Freedom Bowl? Played at Anaheim stadium from 1984 to 1994. The bowl was dissolved after the Rams left for St. Louis and Anaheim stadium reverted to a baseball only design.

I remember the Freedom Bowl. It was mostly but not exclusively WAC vs. Pac-10, and it had a few good match-ups over the years too: in its final year it pitted 2 teams both in the Top 15 (Arizona and Utah).

It did have a weird TV deal - it was syndicated as opposed to being on ESPN. The Bowl lost its stadium, as you pointed out, but I think it also suffered a bit from being lost in the TV shuffle.

Loved the freedom bowl.
It was PAC vs WAC bowl
But...one year it was Iowa vs Texas
80’s Hayden Fry era and Iowa beat highly favored and highly ranked Texas 55-17
Chuck Long threw deep bombs late in 4th qtr making Texas coach livid lol
Chuck Long and Iowa went to the Rose Bowl the next year
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