I posted this in another thread to show the academic rankings of schools in specific conferences.

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/ran...iversities

ACC:
10. Duke, 15. ND, 27. WF, 28. Va, 29. GaT, 29. UNC, 37. BC, 54. Syr, 57. FSU, 57. Mia, 57. Pitt, 70. Clem, 74. VaT, 84. NCSt, 192. Lville

Big Ten:
9. NW, 25. Mich, 46. Wisc, 48. Ill, 54. OSU, 57. PSU, 57. Pur, 62. Rut, 64. Md, 70. Minn, 79. Ind, 84. MSU, 84. Iowa, 139. Neb

SEC:
15. Vandy, 34. Fla, 50. Ga, 70. A&M, 104. Aub, 104. SC, 104. Tenn, 132. Ky, 139. Mo, 153. LSU, 153. Ala, 153. Ark, 162. Miss, 211. MissSt

Pac 12:
6. Stan, 20. UCLA, 22. Cal, 22, USC, 62. Wash, 104. Colo, 104. Ore, 104. Utah, 117. ASU, 117. Ariz, 139. OreSt, 166. WSU

Big 12:
48. Tex, 79. Bay, 97. TCU, 121. ISU, 130. Kan, 132. Okl, 162. KSU, 192. OkSt, 218. TTech, 228. WV

Big E:
24. GTown, 46. Vill, 84. Marq, 104. Creig, 125. DeP, 139. SH, 179. St. J (Prov, Xav, and Butl are regional univ)

AAC:
40. Tul, 64. SMU, 64. Conn, 104. Temp, 104. USF, 121. Tulsa, 139. Cin, 166. UCF, 185. Hou, 228. EC, 272. Mem, 293-381. WichSt

Other:
17. Rice, 64. UMass, 70. GW, 74. Fdhm, 77. BYU, 79. Gonz, 91. MiaOh, 97. St. L

Among these conferences, the ACC and Big Ten are the tops in the academic world. The ACC was doing well before inviting Louisville. They would have kept their academics higher caliber and kept the "Atlantic" in ACC (at least in football) had they taken UConn instead of Louisville. West Virginia would make the ACC even stupider. It was clearly a slap in the face for UConn that they were willing to stoop that low just to not invite Connecticut.

Florida would never leave the SEC for the ACC but academically they'd fit in more with the ACC than the SEC and geographically they'd fit right in. They also can play men's basketball unlike most of the SEC. They also are from a state with a large population like many of the ACC schools. Georgia fits many of those qualities as well. Vanderbilt academically is an ACC school but geographically isn't.

Again, this shows you that if Texas wants to bring along other members to the Big Ten with them why the Big Ten wouldn't want it. Oklahoma would be around the academic level of Nebraska but because they bring in good sports and money the Big Ten probably would accept it, especially if Texas joined as well. The SEC would (or should) have lower academic standards.

(02-18-2020 05:05 PM)schmolik Wrote:  I posted this in another thread to show the academic rankings of schools in specific conferences.

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/ran...iversities

The top 3 Florida schools have really made strides. Florida used to be around a #55 school now they are #34. FSU used to be about a #100 school now they are top 60. And USF used to be close to 200 now we are at #104 and knocking on the top 100.

Good job Florida.

(02-18-2020 05:05 PM)schmolik Wrote:  I posted this in another thread to show the academic rankings of schools in specific conferences.

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/ran...iversities

ACC:
10. Duke, 15. ND, 27. WF, 28. Va, 29. GaT, 29. UNC, 37. BC, 54. Syr, 57. FSU, 57. Mia, 57. Pitt, 70. Clem, 74. VaT, 84. NCSt, 192. Lville

Big Ten:
9. NW, 25. Mich, 46. Wisc, 48. Ill, 54. OSU, 57. PSU, 57. Pur, 62. Rut, 64. Md, 70. Minn, 79. Ind, 84. MSU, 84. Iowa, 139. Neb

SEC:
15. Vandy, 34. Fla, 50. Ga, 70. A&M, 104. Aub, 104. SC, 104. Tenn, 132. Ky, 139. Mo, 153. LSU, 153. Ala, 153. Ark, 162. Miss, 211. MissSt

Pac 12:
6. Stan, 20. UCLA, 22. Cal, 22, USC, 62. Wash, 104. Colo, 104. Ore, 104. Utah, 117. ASU, 117. Ariz, 139. OreSt, 166. WSU

Big 12:
48. Tex, 79. Bay, 97. TCU, 121. ISU, 130. Kan, 132. Okl, 162. KSU, 192. OkSt, 218. TTech, 228. WV

Big E:
24. GTown, 46. Vill, 84. Marq, 104. Creig, 125. DeP, 139. SH, 179. St. J (Prov, Xav, and Butl are regional univ)

AAC:
40. Tul, 64. SMU, 64. Conn, 104. Temp, 104. USF, 121. Tulsa, 139. Cin, 166. UCF, 185. Hou, 228. EC, 272. Mem, 293-381. WichSt

Other:
17. Rice, 64. UMass, 70. GW, 74. Fdhm, 77. BYU, 79. Gonz, 91. MiaOh, 97. St. L

Among these conferences, the ACC and Big Ten are the tops in the academic world. The ACC was doing well before inviting Louisville. They would have kept their academics higher caliber and kept the "Atlantic" in ACC (at least in football) had they taken UConn instead of Louisville. West Virginia would make the ACC even stupider. It was clearly a slap in the face for UConn that they were willing to stoop that low just to not invite Connecticut.

Florida would never leave the SEC for the ACC but academically they'd fit in more with the ACC than the SEC and geographically they'd fit right in. They also can play men's basketball unlike most of the SEC. They also are from a state with a large population like many of the ACC schools. Georgia fits many of those qualities as well. Vanderbilt academically is an ACC school but geographically isn't.

Again, this shows you that if Texas wants to bring along other members to the Big Ten with them why the Big Ten wouldn't want it. Oklahoma would be around the academic level of Nebraska but because they bring in good sports and money the Big Ten probably would accept it, especially if Texas joined as well. The SEC would (or should) have lower academic standards.

So David St. was right? North Dakota got invited to the ACC! And they are ranked #15.

(02-18-2020 05:08 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-18-2020 05:05 PM)schmolik Wrote:  I posted this in another thread to show the academic rankings of schools in specific conferences.

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/ran...iversities

The top 3 Florida schools have really made strides. Florida used to be around a #55 school now they are #34. FSU used to be about a #100 school now they are top 60. And USF used to be close to 200 now we are at #104 and knocking on the top 100.

Good job Florida.

US News doesn't represent how academics look at things.

But as I mentioned in the other thread, I was surprised how difficult FSU, USF and UCF have become to get into. All were much more difficult than the SEC schools with the exception of Florida, Georgia, Vandy and A&M.

(02-18-2020 05:05 PM)schmolik Wrote:  I posted this in another thread to show the academic rankings of schools in specific conferences.

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/ran...iversities

ACC:
10. Duke, 15. ND, 27. WF, 28. Va, 29. GaT, 29. UNC, 37. BC, 54. Syr, 57. FSU, 57. Mia, 57. Pitt, 70. Clem, 74. VaT, 84. NCSt, 192. Lville

Big Ten:
9. NW, 25. Mich, 46. Wisc, 48. Ill, 54. OSU, 57. PSU, 57. Pur, 62. Rut, 64. Md, 70. Minn, 79. Ind, 84. MSU, 84. Iowa, 139. Neb

SEC:
15. Vandy, 34. Fla, 50. Ga, 70. A&M, 104. Aub, 104. SC, 104. Tenn, 132. Ky, 139. Mo, 153. LSU, 153. Ala, 153. Ark, 162. Miss, 211. MissSt

Pac 12:
6. Stan, 20. UCLA, 22. Cal, 22, USC, 62. Wash, 104. Colo, 104. Ore, 104. Utah, 117. ASU, 117. Ariz, 139. OreSt, 166. WSU

Big 12:
48. Tex, 79. Bay, 97. TCU, 121. ISU, 130. Kan, 132. Okl, 162. KSU, 192. OkSt, 218. TTech, 228. WV

Big E:
24. GTown, 46. Vill, 84. Marq, 104. Creig, 125. DeP, 139. SH, 179. St. J (Prov, Xav, and Butl are regional univ)

AAC:
40. Tul, 64. SMU, 64. Conn, 104. Temp, 104. USF, 121. Tulsa, 139. Cin, 166. UCF, 185. Hou, 228. EC, 272. Mem, 293-381. WichSt

Other:
17. Rice, 64. UMass, 70. GW, 74. Fdhm, 77. BYU, 79. Gonz, 91. MiaOh, 97. St. L

Among these conferences, the ACC and Big Ten are the tops in the academic world. The ACC was doing well before inviting Louisville. They would have kept their academics higher caliber and kept the "Atlantic" in ACC (at least in football) had they taken UConn instead of Louisville. West Virginia would make the ACC even stupider. It was clearly a slap in the face for UConn that they were willing to stoop that low just to not invite Connecticut.

Florida would never leave the SEC for the ACC but academically they'd fit in more with the ACC than the SEC and geographically they'd fit right in. They also can play men's basketball unlike most of the SEC. They also are from a state with a large population like many of the ACC schools. Georgia fits many of those qualities as well. Vanderbilt academically is an ACC school but geographically isn't.

Again, this shows you that if Texas wants to bring along other members to the Big Ten with them why the Big Ten wouldn't want it. Oklahoma would be around the academic level of Nebraska but because they bring in good sports and money the Big Ten probably would accept it, especially if Texas joined as well. The SEC would (or should) have lower academic standards.

Nobody adds a new member to the conference because of their rankings in the US News and World Report. The ACC made the right move taking Louisville over UConn- their reasoning was athletic success (not just women’s hoops and if we are going there Louisville is no slouch) and fan support. UConn is in complete disarray right now in the sport that matters most. Hopefully, for their sake they can build some momentum back up with some easier opposition being an Indy so they can become a somewhat competitive program again. We shall see.

(02-19-2020 05:16 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(02-18-2020 05:05 PM)schmolik Wrote:  I posted this in another thread to show the academic rankings of schools in specific conferences.

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/ran...iversities

ACC:
10. Duke, 15. ND, 27. WF, 28. Va, 29. GaT, 29. UNC, 37. BC, 54. Syr, 57. FSU, 57. Mia, 57. Pitt, 70. Clem, 74. VaT, 84. NCSt, 192. Lville

Big Ten:
9. NW, 25. Mich, 46. Wisc, 48. Ill, 54. OSU, 57. PSU, 57. Pur, 62. Rut, 64. Md, 70. Minn, 79. Ind, 84. MSU, 84. Iowa, 139. Neb

SEC:
15. Vandy, 34. Fla, 50. Ga, 70. A&M, 104. Aub, 104. SC, 104. Tenn, 132. Ky, 139. Mo, 153. LSU, 153. Ala, 153. Ark, 162. Miss, 211. MissSt

Pac 12:
6. Stan, 20. UCLA, 22. Cal, 22, USC, 62. Wash, 104. Colo, 104. Ore, 104. Utah, 117. ASU, 117. Ariz, 139. OreSt, 166. WSU

Big 12:
48. Tex, 79. Bay, 97. TCU, 121. ISU, 130. Kan, 132. Okl, 162. KSU, 192. OkSt, 218. TTech, 228. WV

Big E:
24. GTown, 46. Vill, 84. Marq, 104. Creig, 125. DeP, 139. SH, 179. St. J (Prov, Xav, and Butl are regional univ)

AAC:
40. Tul, 64. SMU, 64. Conn, 104. Temp, 104. USF, 121. Tulsa, 139. Cin, 166. UCF, 185. Hou, 228. EC, 272. Mem, 293-381. WichSt

Other:
17. Rice, 64. UMass, 70. GW, 74. Fdhm, 77. BYU, 79. Gonz, 91. MiaOh, 97. St. L

Among these conferences, the ACC and Big Ten are the tops in the academic world. The ACC was doing well before inviting Louisville. They would have kept their academics higher caliber and kept the "Atlantic" in ACC (at least in football) had they taken UConn instead of Louisville. West Virginia would make the ACC even stupider. It was clearly a slap in the face for UConn that they were willing to stoop that low just to not invite Connecticut.

Florida would never leave the SEC for the ACC but academically they'd fit in more with the ACC than the SEC and geographically they'd fit right in. They also can play men's basketball unlike most of the SEC. They also are from a state with a large population like many of the ACC schools. Georgia fits many of those qualities as well. Vanderbilt academically is an ACC school but geographically isn't.

Again, this shows you that if Texas wants to bring along other members to the Big Ten with them why the Big Ten wouldn't want it. Oklahoma would be around the academic level of Nebraska but because they bring in good sports and money the Big Ten probably would accept it, especially if Texas joined as well. The SEC would (or should) have lower academic standards.

Nobody adds a new member to the conference because of their rankings in the US News and World Report. The ACC made the right move taking Louisville over UConn- their reasoning was athletic success (not just women’s hoops and if we are going there Louisville is no slouch) and fan support. UConn is in complete disarray right now in the sport that matters most. Hopefully, for their sake they can build some momentum back up with some easier opposition being an Indy so they can become a somewhat competitive program again. We shall see.

But if your conference prides yourself on academics you don't take Louisville when another member with similar athletic performance is available. Also, when did the ACC start caring about football? When the decision was made, Connecticut was still not too long removed from the Randy Edsall era when they actually won the Big East. UConn football back in 2012 wasn't what it is now. Boston College blocked Connecticut from the ACC. Hope the ACC enjoys their idiots and being associated with the Pitino scandal.

(02-19-2020 06:45 AM)schmolik Wrote:  

(02-19-2020 05:16 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(02-18-2020 05:05 PM)schmolik Wrote:  I posted this in another thread to show the academic rankings of schools in specific conferences.

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/ran...iversities

ACC:
10. Duke, 15. ND, 27. WF, 28. Va, 29. GaT, 29. UNC, 37. BC, 54. Syr, 57. FSU, 57. Mia, 57. Pitt, 70. Clem, 74. VaT, 84. NCSt, 192. Lville

Big Ten:
9. NW, 25. Mich, 46. Wisc, 48. Ill, 54. OSU, 57. PSU, 57. Pur, 62. Rut, 64. Md, 70. Minn, 79. Ind, 84. MSU, 84. Iowa, 139. Neb

SEC:
15. Vandy, 34. Fla, 50. Ga, 70. A&M, 104. Aub, 104. SC, 104. Tenn, 132. Ky, 139. Mo, 153. LSU, 153. Ala, 153. Ark, 162. Miss, 211. MissSt

Pac 12:
6. Stan, 20. UCLA, 22. Cal, 22, USC, 62. Wash, 104. Colo, 104. Ore, 104. Utah, 117. ASU, 117. Ariz, 139. OreSt, 166. WSU

Big 12:
48. Tex, 79. Bay, 97. TCU, 121. ISU, 130. Kan, 132. Okl, 162. KSU, 192. OkSt, 218. TTech, 228. WV

Big E:
24. GTown, 46. Vill, 84. Marq, 104. Creig, 125. DeP, 139. SH, 179. St. J (Prov, Xav, and Butl are regional univ)

AAC:
40. Tul, 64. SMU, 64. Conn, 104. Temp, 104. USF, 121. Tulsa, 139. Cin, 166. UCF, 185. Hou, 228. EC, 272. Mem, 293-381. WichSt

Other:
17. Rice, 64. UMass, 70. GW, 74. Fdhm, 77. BYU, 79. Gonz, 91. MiaOh, 97. St. L

Among these conferences, the ACC and Big Ten are the tops in the academic world. The ACC was doing well before inviting Louisville. They would have kept their academics higher caliber and kept the "Atlantic" in ACC (at least in football) had they taken UConn instead of Louisville. West Virginia would make the ACC even stupider. It was clearly a slap in the face for UConn that they were willing to stoop that low just to not invite Connecticut.

Florida would never leave the SEC for the ACC but academically they'd fit in more with the ACC than the SEC and geographically they'd fit right in. They also can play men's basketball unlike most of the SEC. They also are from a state with a large population like many of the ACC schools. Georgia fits many of those qualities as well. Vanderbilt academically is an ACC school but geographically isn't.

Again, this shows you that if Texas wants to bring along other members to the Big Ten with them why the Big Ten wouldn't want it. Oklahoma would be around the academic level of Nebraska but because they bring in good sports and money the Big Ten probably would accept it, especially if Texas joined as well. The SEC would (or should) have lower academic standards.

Nobody adds a new member to the conference because of their rankings in the US News and World Report. The ACC made the right move taking Louisville over UConn- their reasoning was athletic success (not just women’s hoops and if we are going there Louisville is no slouch) and fan support. UConn is in complete disarray right now in the sport that matters most. Hopefully, for their sake they can build some momentum back up with some easier opposition being an Indy so they can become a somewhat competitive program again. We shall see.

But if your conference prides yourself on academics you don't take Louisville when another member with similar athletic performance is available. Also, when did the ACC start caring about football? When the decision was made, Connecticut was still not too long removed from the Randy Edsall era when they actually won the Big East. UConn football back in 2012 wasn't what it is now. Boston College blocked Connecticut from the ACC. Hope the ACC enjoys their idiots and being associated with the Pitino scandal.

In this era, there was maybe 15 minutes of outrage over the Pitino/Adidas scandal. Academics are only brought up as a factor for adding a school only if it is a bonus- revenues and eyeballs are what really conferences value.

(02-19-2020 06:45 AM)schmolik Wrote:  

(02-19-2020 05:16 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(02-18-2020 05:05 PM)schmolik Wrote:  I posted this in another thread to show the academic rankings of schools in specific conferences.

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/ran...iversities

ACC:
10. Duke, 15. ND, 27. WF, 28. Va, 29. GaT, 29. UNC, 37. BC, 54. Syr, 57. FSU, 57. Mia, 57. Pitt, 70. Clem, 74. VaT, 84. NCSt, 192. Lville

Big Ten:
9. NW, 25. Mich, 46. Wisc, 48. Ill, 54. OSU, 57. PSU, 57. Pur, 62. Rut, 64. Md, 70. Minn, 79. Ind, 84. MSU, 84. Iowa, 139. Neb

SEC:
15. Vandy, 34. Fla, 50. Ga, 70. A&M, 104. Aub, 104. SC, 104. Tenn, 132. Ky, 139. Mo, 153. LSU, 153. Ala, 153. Ark, 162. Miss, 211. MissSt

Pac 12:
6. Stan, 20. UCLA, 22. Cal, 22, USC, 62. Wash, 104. Colo, 104. Ore, 104. Utah, 117. ASU, 117. Ariz, 139. OreSt, 166. WSU

Big 12:
48. Tex, 79. Bay, 97. TCU, 121. ISU, 130. Kan, 132. Okl, 162. KSU, 192. OkSt, 218. TTech, 228. WV

Big E:
24. GTown, 46. Vill, 84. Marq, 104. Creig, 125. DeP, 139. SH, 179. St. J (Prov, Xav, and Butl are regional univ)

AAC:
40. Tul, 64. SMU, 64. Conn, 104. Temp, 104. USF, 121. Tulsa, 139. Cin, 166. UCF, 185. Hou, 228. EC, 272. Mem, 293-381. WichSt

Other:
17. Rice, 64. UMass, 70. GW, 74. Fdhm, 77. BYU, 79. Gonz, 91. MiaOh, 97. St. L

Among these conferences, the ACC and Big Ten are the tops in the academic world. The ACC was doing well before inviting Louisville. They would have kept their academics higher caliber and kept the "Atlantic" in ACC (at least in football) had they taken UConn instead of Louisville. West Virginia would make the ACC even stupider. It was clearly a slap in the face for UConn that they were willing to stoop that low just to not invite Connecticut.

Florida would never leave the SEC for the ACC but academically they'd fit in more with the ACC than the SEC and geographically they'd fit right in. They also can play men's basketball unlike most of the SEC. They also are from a state with a large population like many of the ACC schools. Georgia fits many of those qualities as well. Vanderbilt academically is an ACC school but geographically isn't.

Again, this shows you that if Texas wants to bring along other members to the Big Ten with them why the Big Ten wouldn't want it. Oklahoma would be around the academic level of Nebraska but because they bring in good sports and money the Big Ten probably would accept it, especially if Texas joined as well. The SEC would (or should) have lower academic standards.

Nobody adds a new member to the conference because of their rankings in the US News and World Report. The ACC made the right move taking Louisville over UConn- their reasoning was athletic success (not just women’s hoops and if we are going there Louisville is no slouch) and fan support. UConn is in complete disarray right now in the sport that matters most. Hopefully, for their sake they can build some momentum back up with some easier opposition being an Indy so they can become a somewhat competitive program again. We shall see.

But if your conference prides yourself on academics you don't take Louisville when another member with similar athletic performance is available. Also, when did the ACC start caring about football? When the decision was made, Connecticut was still not too long removed from the Randy Edsall era when they actually won the Big East. UConn football back in 2012 wasn't what it is now. Boston College blocked Connecticut from the ACC. Hope the ACC enjoys their idiots and being associated with the Pitino scandal.

1) UConn doesn't have the same athletic profile as Louisville, especially in football.

2) The ACC began caring about football around 2012 when CR was in full swing and it almost fractured. It also became clear that football drives 80% of revenues.

3) UConn football was just bad in 2012 as compared to very bad now.

4) Clemson and Florida State objected to UConn (another basketball school) and wanted Louisville (a much better football option). The ACC was worried about losing those two programs and they threw their weight around.

5) There is no buyers remorse on Louisville over UConn. Check the current basketball rankings of the two, then look at football.

(02-18-2020 09:09 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(02-18-2020 05:08 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-18-2020 05:05 PM)schmolik Wrote:  I posted this in another thread to show the academic rankings of schools in specific conferences.

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/ran...iversities

The top 3 Florida schools have really made strides. Florida used to be around a #55 school now they are #34. FSU used to be about a #100 school now they are top 60. And USF used to be close to 200 now we are at #104 and knocking on the top 100.

Good job Florida.

US News doesn't represent how academics look at things.

But as I mentioned in the other thread, I was surprised how difficult FSU, USF and UCF have become to get into. All were much more difficult than the SEC schools with the exception of Florida, Georgia, Vandy and A&M.

Actually, US News is easily the most important ranking system in academia. That's because it's far and away the most publicized, which is what matters because rankings are all about public prestige. Flaws and all, the USNWR rankings are what matter to chancellors, provosts, deans, etc. Now if you are talking about what faculty care about, they don't care about university rankings per se, they care about the quality of the colleges and departments that they are members of. E.g., I work in a College of Business, and I know that LSU's COB is quite good, significantly better than the reputation of the university as a whole.

Generally speaking, the only ones who dispute this are people associated with schools that have low USNWR rankings but higher rankings in systems that nobody cares about.

(02-19-2020 05:16 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Nobody adds a new member to the conference because of their rankings in the US News and World Report. The ACC made the right move taking Louisville over UConn- their reasoning was athletic success (not just women’s hoops and if we are going there Louisville is no slouch) and fan support.

Yes, but the ACC definitely does care about academics, so it was a somewhat bitter pill for the better schools in the conference to swallow to take Louisville. In the end, they knew they had to placate the football schools and take them, but they didn't like it and probably still don't.

Taking Louisville was a defensive/reactive move in a climate of fear and weakness in the conference, it was not a proactive move taken in a time of perceived strength.

(02-18-2020 05:05 PM)schmolik Wrote:  Again, this shows you that if Texas wants to bring along other members to the Big Ten with them why the Big Ten wouldn't want it. Oklahoma would be around the academic level of Nebraska but because they bring in good sports and money the Big Ten probably would accept it, especially if Texas joined as well. The SEC would (or should) have lower academic standards.

If Bevo brings Rice along to the BIG, academics are improved. Joe Karlgaard should be sending coffee and doughnuts to Chris del Conte along with renderings of how Rice would renovate the football stadium with BIG membership.

(02-19-2020 08:24 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-19-2020 05:16 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Nobody adds a new member to the conference because of their rankings in the US News and World Report. The ACC made the right move taking Louisville over UConn- their reasoning was athletic success (not just women’s hoops and if we are going there Louisville is no slouch) and fan support.

Yes, but the ACC definitely does care about academics, so it was a somewhat bitter pill for the better schools in the conference to swallow to take Louisville. In the end, they knew they had to placate the football schools and take them, but they didn't like it and probably still don't.

Taking Louisville was a defensive/reactive move in a climate of fear and weakness in the conference, it was not a proactive move taken in a time of perceived strength.

I think it is a big deal on internet message boards-- but in all practicality Louisville's academics are not bad enough to be a deal breaker. The ACC raised the specter of academics in the past to keep West Virginia out, but truth be told the problem the conference has against the Mountaineers is cultural in nature.

(02-19-2020 09:10 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(02-19-2020 08:24 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-19-2020 05:16 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Nobody adds a new member to the conference because of their rankings in the US News and World Report. The ACC made the right move taking Louisville over UConn- their reasoning was athletic success (not just women’s hoops and if we are going there Louisville is no slouch) and fan support.

Yes, but the ACC definitely does care about academics, so it was a somewhat bitter pill for the better schools in the conference to swallow to take Louisville. In the end, they knew they had to placate the football schools and take them, but they didn't like it and probably still don't.

Taking Louisville was a defensive/reactive move in a climate of fear and weakness in the conference, it was not a proactive move taken in a time of perceived strength.

I think it is a big deal on internet message boards-- but in all practicality Louisville's academics are not bad enough to be a deal breaker. The ACC raised the specter of academics in the past to keep West Virginia out, but truth be told the problem the conference has against the Mountaineers is cultural in nature.

Well UL's academics were not bad enough to be a deal breaker, because they made the deal. But UL's academics were bad by ACC standards and really by P5 standards. To me, that was just a measure of ACC desperation at the time. They had to hold their nose and do something they never otherwise would have done. That's the reason UL was the last Big East team taken by anyone, B1G or ACC.

As for WV, I agree, there is definitely a cultural bias against them in the ACC, something to do with "hillbillies", "rednecks", etc. Bad stereotyping, IMO.

Academics will matter in big time college sports when rules are changed to provide a handicap system like you see in bowling and golf, in which teams (not schools) with better academic profiles get some advantage on the scoreboard. Until then, money talks, just as it always has.

No matter how prestigious a school is, it will always make exceptions to its standards for athletes and other students (like legacies) who will bring more revenue to it.

Never been a fan of these rankings. They're very formulaic and gamed by a lot of schools. Rather gimicky.

Just curious, but the listing in the original post ranks the University of Cincinnati (AAC) at #166. When I visit the USN&WR website, however, UC ranks at #139 among best national universities, tied with seven other institutions including the University of Missouri at Columbia and the University of Nebraska at Lincoln. Which is right, USN&WR (according to the original poster) or USN&WR (according to USN&WR)? Why the disparity?

(02-19-2020 11:26 AM)colohank Wrote:  Just curious, but the listing in the original post ranks the University of Cincinnati (AAC) at #166. When I visit the USN&WR website, however, UC ranks at #139 among best national universities, tied with seven other institutions including the University of Missouri at Columbia and the University of Nebraska at Lincoln. Which is right, USN&WR (according to the original poster) or USN&WR (according to USN&WR)? Why the disparity?

He has us at #139, he is just listing the numbers before the schools (Tulsa is #121).

Illinois schools keep falling as their budget issues continue

(02-18-2020 05:08 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-18-2020 05:05 PM)schmolik Wrote:  I posted this in another thread to show the academic rankings of schools in specific conferences.

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/ran...iversities

The top 3 Florida schools have really made strides. Florida used to be around a #55 school now they are #34. FSU used to be about a #100 school now they are top 60. And USF used to be close to 200 now we are at #104 and knocking on the top 100.

Good job Florida.

You really have to take these with a grain of salt.
The best way is to check where difficult industries recruit. Check the investment banks and tech firms and that will give you a better picture.

For example, for years we would see Iowa Law School ranked high yet if you searched top law firms Iowa had zirtually zero presence. Compare them to GW Law or Fordham Law and it's night and day. Those two have tons of lawyers in the top 250 firms.
So yeah, FSU is still a joke by most standards.

(02-19-2020 11:33 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(02-19-2020 11:26 AM)colohank Wrote:  Just curious, but the listing in the original post ranks the University of Cincinnati (AAC) at #166. When I visit the USN&WR website, however, UC ranks at #139 among best national universities, tied with seven other institutions including the University of Missouri at Columbia and the University of Nebraska at Lincoln. Which is right, USN&WR (according to the original poster) or USN&WR (according to USN&WR)? Why the disparity?

He has us at #139, he is just listing the numbers before the schools (Tulsa is #121).

Thanks, I guess the punctuation threw me. Better, I think, to separate the institutions and their rankings by commas, as in... ,Tulsa #121, Cincinnati #139, etc.