(02-24-2020 03:06 PM)quo vadis Wrote: (02-23-2020 12:04 PM)Kaplony Wrote: Yes, Notre Dame is a parasite to ACC football. Contributes nothing yet gets to live off our bowl allotment.
Kaplony at it again ... Notre Dame isn't a parasite on the ACC because ND is way more valuable than the average ACC team. Heck they are more valuable than all ACC teams, your Clemson included.
The ACC actually out-foxed the Irish, getting clearly more value from them than what they have to give. They get 4 or 5 games, almost half ND's schedule, which draws way more media interest than regular ACC games that basically nobody cares about and for what in return? Taking some 8-5 Boston College team's place in the Music City Bowl?
Heck the best proof of the one-sided nature of the deal was this year's bowl situation. Notre Dame went 10-2 or something and should have been the ACC replacement for Clemson in the Orange Bowl, but thanks to the smart negotiating of the ACC, they got stuck in a bozo third-run Orlando bowl vs a nobody Big 12 team while sorry UVA got to play in the Orange Bowl, when the whole world would have much rather seen a Florida - Notre Dame game..
So thank your lucky stars the Irish decided to affiliate with you guys and that the ACC negotiators out-dueled the ND negotiators in the bargain.
There is truth and error in this post. It is true that Notre Dame's overall value is higher than anyone's in the ACC and almost higher than the top 3 products in the ACC combined with regard to football. But that has no relevance to the argument because Notre Dame keeps the rights to its home games and functions as a independent. So the only added value the ACC gets is the audience draw for the alternating 2 or 3 home games a year that one of their members has against Notre Dame.
That's not very much value.
What does Notre Dame get out of it? The get five guaranteed games a year. Why is that important to Notre Dame? Because nobody wanted to schedule them in the heart of their conference schedules so scheduling as a true independent got damned hard for the Irish to pull off year in and year out against any kind of a brand outside of their annuals with Stanford and USC.
Notre Dame has those 2 and likes to have another high value school to play each year and they can get that. But having 5 decent names to play for the bulk of the schedule without dropping down into the G5 regularly was tough to get on the dates they needed them. Partial membership solves that issue. That's a huge advantage for the Irish and only an advantage for 2 or 3 schools per year in the ACC. Advantage Notre Dame.
The ACC has to risk sharing its top bowl with the Irish. Advantage Notre Dame.
The ACC gets Notre Dame's minor sports. Advantage Notre Dame because in minor sports the reputation is already strong for the ACC.
So when Kaplony calls them a parasite he actually has a very valid point.
The only thing the Irish have done for the ACC is to stabilize the perception in 2011 that the ACC was vulnerable and they became an excuse for a damned ridiculously long GOR arrangement which has locked in competent football powers into giving away their value to basketball first schools in media revenue. And that's extremely parasitic for a school like Clemson, or Florida State when they are up to speed. The presidents at those two schools who signed a GOR that will last past the Baby Boom and their love for college football should be fired and smuggled out of town at night because if they hadn't signed that GOR both of those schools would be making oodles more elsewhere and Notre Dame was the excuse to sign. Advantage Notre Dame. Major loss for F.S.U. and Clemson.
So Quo before you jump on Kap for expressing his rational displeasure on this one you need to remove yourself and your past feelings from this equation and take a long hard look at actually what was gained by the Irish and what was lost by the ACC (particularly their football first schools) and then this will come more clearly into focus.
I also happen to know at a time when both F.S.U. and Clemson were going to bail and ESPN announced their moves to the SEC on a crawler that they Irish were insisting before they joined even in part that the football first schools had to be retained so ESPN backed away from their endorsement of the move following a blown big deal due to Tobacco Road's last minute change of heart which also precipitated Maryland's bolt to the Big 10.
So below the surface this isn't just woofing over Orange Bowl arrangements, but rather a general screw job that Clemson and F.S.U. got after being sold a bill of goods to sign that GOR especially with F.S.U.'s president at the time with a foot out of the door to a conference that didn't want to see that move happen.
