(02-22-2020 12:27 PM)Section 200 Wrote:  Yes the Big East would accept BC if they decided to leave the ACC as the Presidents of the Big East schools have a close connection to the BC President. Also, the east coast Big East schools likely don't want anymore Midwest schools - it would be easier to for their athletes and fans to travel to Boston vs. St Louis or wherever. Plus there is a better opportunity for media attention in Boston vs. any Midwest city. If BC ever decided that football was too risky, violent or expensive to continue, then it may happen.

Would BC basketball fare better in the Big East than the ACC - obviously we don't know but it seems obvious that Northeast recruits would rather play teams in the Northeast close to home than travel to the ACC schools. Playing 2x per year in New York is a big deal and Philly & DC are great too. Plus if BC focused all resources on basketball they could easily be a powerhouse in the sport.

The basic flaw in your argument is that even you admit that such a thing would only happen "if BC ever decided that football was too risky, violent or expensive to continue". That is never going to happen. Again, this speaks to my earlier point about the opinions some on here have expressed that BC is more like the Catholic BB centric schools - which is erroneous.

BC is a FB-first school. Much more so than even hockey (where BC has won 5 NC's). It has always been a FB first school. It is part of BC's DNA - going back to 1896. It is currently investing a huge amount of money in upgrading every aspect of the Program. (Take a look the Fish Center if you have any doubts about this.)

The school has very deep pockets and is a fund raising machine (closing in on a successful $150M capital goal that was only launched a couple of years ago). It is firmly committed to its athletic programs - with FB being the lead dog in that regard.

BC has always viewed athletics - played at the highest level - as part of its core mission.

If you knew the school better than you apparently do, you would know this.

Early nominee for most idiotic thread of 2020.

(02-22-2020 01:02 PM)Eagle78 Wrote:  

(02-22-2020 12:27 PM)Section 200 Wrote:  Yes the Big East would accept BC if they decided to leave the ACC as the Presidents of the Big East schools have a close connection to the BC President. Also, the east coast Big East schools likely don't want anymore Midwest schools - it would be easier to for their athletes and fans to travel to Boston vs. St Louis or wherever. Plus there is a better opportunity for media attention in Boston vs. any Midwest city. If BC ever decided that football was too risky, violent or expensive to continue, then it may happen.

Would BC basketball fare better in the Big East than the ACC - obviously we don't know but it seems obvious that Northeast recruits would rather play teams in the Northeast close to home than travel to the ACC schools. Playing 2x per year in New York is a big deal and Philly & DC are great too. Plus if BC focused all resources on basketball they could easily be a powerhouse in the sport.

The basic flaw in your argument is that even you admit that such a thing would only happen "if BC ever decided that football was too risky, violent or expensive to continue". That is never going to happen. Again, this speaks to my earlier point about the opinions some on here have expressed that BC is more like the Catholic BB centric schools - which is erroneous.

BC is a FB-first school. Much more so than even hockey (where BC has won 5 NC's). It has always been a FB first school. It is part of BC's DNA - going back to 1896. It is currently investing a huge amount of money in upgrading every aspect of the Program. (Take a look the Fish Center if you have any doubts about this.)

The school has very deep pockets and is a fund raising machine (closing in on a successful $150M capital goal that was only launched a couple of years ago). It is firmly committed to its athletic programs - with FB being the lead dog in that regard.

BC has always viewed athletics - played at the highest level - as part of its core mission.

If you knew the school better than you apparently do, you would know this.

There is no flaw in my comment - I explained a scenario in which BC would join the Big East. IF BC stopped playing football, the natural home of the school would be the Big East.

Even if BC were to join the Big East they wouldn't necessarily have to drop football. Connecticut isn't dropping football, either, for now. The Big East would welcome Notre Dame back with open arms, WITHOUT football.

(02-21-2020 11:20 PM)Eagle78 Wrote:  

(02-21-2020 12:28 PM)e-parade Wrote:  

(02-20-2020 02:08 PM)Eagle78 Wrote:  As a BC alum and fan, I am absolutely mystified by this thread.

BC would have no interest whatsoever in ever leaving the ACC for BB or any other sport so this talk is waste of air.

Yes, BC's BB program has struggled in recent years - though this year they sit in the middle of the pack in the ACC. BC's FB program has certainly pulled its weight int the ACC - in 15 seasons of ACC play, making bowl games in 12 of those seasons and playing in two ACCCG's. Those in the ACC know that BCFB is seldom an easy opponent.

I love how the Umass and UConn fans jump on this conversation as it applies to BB. No mention of FB, of course, as BC has crushed their teams whenever they have played BC. Both the UConn and Umass programs have been at the bottom of CF for a number of years now.

What people might not realize is the renaissance that is taking place in BC athletics. Boston College is a wealthy school and it is making a huge investment in athletics. Take a stroll across campus sometime. You will see a new football IPF that is among the BEST of such facilities in all of college football. New baseball/softball complexes have been built as well as an IPF dedicated to baseball and softball. When it is completed, BC will have THREE indoor practice facilities - the Fish Center for FB, the "Bubble" - inflated for the winter months for soccer, lacrosse, etc, and the Pete Frates Center (finished this summer) for baseball/softball. On top of this, BC just finished a new $200M student recreation center which will house a number of olympic sports.

Last year, BC launched a $150M athletics - only fundraising drive. Reportedly, over $100M has already been raised to meet this goal. Next up, a new MBB/WBB dedicated practice facility.

After last season, BC put significantly more $$'s into the FB coaching staff and hired a whole new coaching staff. I would not be shocked if after the season we saw something similar in MBB.

I think in the coming seasons we will see the fruits of these investments. BC is already a solid ACC FB program. They will be even better in the coming years. I expect BB will have a similar trajectory.

Again, I do wonder why this topic even comes up. I do think people get mixed up with the "Catholic" identity here. People seem to invariably compare BC to the Catholic BB schools when, in fact, they are in may ways dissimilar. While they may all be "Catholic" institutions, they all have differing views on athletics. I have great respect for the Catholic BB schools (my daughter is a proud alum of G'town) but BC's philosophy as it relates to athletics is much more in line with Notre Dame as opposed to the Catholic BB schools.

BB will get better in the coming years. The $$'s are there to make this happen.

Again, I think this thread is baffling.

BC Football is better than UMass Football. Happy?

I made no mention of UMass being a better choice for the Big East for any reason because I think neither will ever happen.

I mentioned that, very specifically, BC basketball doesn't get great support in terms of fans. The ACC averages just under 11,000 in attendance last year. BC is down at 5300. The Big East average 10,000. (source: http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/m_basketba...ndance.pdf)

So yeah, thanks for mentioning that people weren't talking about football in a thread specifically about basketball and acting all condescending about it. We all know there's literally 0 chance BC would leave the ACC, we were just listing out why the non-football conference of Big East also wouldn't be interested in it.

So, the BE wouldn't be interested in something BC would also have absolutely no interest in. Well, sure seems like a great basis to discuss such a topic right there

I didn't start the thread. A Florida State fan did.

(02-22-2020 12:27 PM)Section 200 Wrote:  Also, the east coast Big East schools likely don't want anymore Midwest schools - it would be easier to for their athletes and fans to travel to Boston vs. St Louis or wherever. Plus there is a better opportunity for media attention in Boston vs. any Midwest city.

Circling back to this in a more general sense, I don't think this is actually true. The Big East has had every opportunity over the years to add any of St Joe's/GW/Richmond/Davidson/St Bonaventure/Duquesne and still chose the Midwestern schools. There's no sprawl issue in the Big East - with the 6 east coast teams and the tournament in MSG there's no shortage of accessible away games as it is. The Midwestern teams form their own similar block of road-trippable schools with each other. So long as you're growing the footprint coherently (Gonzaga's only real knock) I think that what the program brings on the court far outweighs any East Coast preference.

(02-24-2020 12:10 PM)Bogg Wrote:  

(02-22-2020 12:27 PM)Section 200 Wrote:  Also, the east coast Big East schools likely don't want anymore Midwest schools - it would be easier to for their athletes and fans to travel to Boston vs. St Louis or wherever. Plus there is a better opportunity for media attention in Boston vs. any Midwest city.

Circling back to this in a more general sense, I don't think this is actually true. The Big East has had every opportunity over the years to add any of St Joe's/GW/Richmond/Davidson/St Bonaventure/Duquesne and still chose the Midwestern schools. There's no sprawl issue in the Big East - with the 6 east coast teams and the tournament in MSG there's no shortage of accessible away games as it is. The Midwestern teams form their own similar block of road-trippable schools with each other. So long as you're growing the footprint coherently (Gonzaga's only real knock) I think that what the program brings on the court far outweighs any East Coast preference.

Points well made. If the BE adds, for example, Dayton, Saint Louis and VCU, it would have eight "non-Northeast" schools and six Northeast schools (though Georgetown is not as "NE" as the other five) — thus becoming less so a "Northeast conference" than old-school "league purists" might prefer. I'm fine with that.