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RE: BB Class of 2021
(02-28-2020 01:07 PM)OKIcat Wrote: (02-28-2020 12:55 PM)natibeast21 Wrote: (02-28-2020 12:42 PM)Z-Fly Wrote: (02-28-2020 11:44 AM)Lush Wrote: butler. seriously. that's messed up man
Didn't they somewhat recently go to back to back National championship games or something like that? I don't think it's that surprising.
Yeah I don't find this that surprising. Maybe the kid liked the feel of a smaller private school.
Butler very recently was in the Nation Championship and is basically Xavier of Indianapolis except they have some real banners.
Who knows if the conference played much into it. I doubt a kid from Indiana thinks the Big East is all of that sitting in the heart of Big Ten country.
All great observations regarding this recruit's decision. And I agree, Butler's pedigree with B2B national championship runner up finishes far exceeds what the program across town from us has ever accomplished.
I wonder too if prospective UC recruits are looking at the Madsen twins and Saunders coming in alongside returning players Williams, Harvey and MAW in the backcourt and wondering if there will be playing time available at guard?
marquette has like three top hundred power forwards coming in next year
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RE: BB Class of 2021
(02-28-2020 12:55 PM)natibeast21 Wrote: Yeah I don't find this that surprising. Maybe the kid liked the feel of a smaller private school.
Butler very recently was in the Nation Championship and is basically Xavier of Indianapolis except they have some real banners.
Who knows if the conference played much into it. I doubt a kid from Indiana thinks the Big East is all of that sitting in the heart of Big Ten country.
I mean to each their own but to me going to a small private school in a decent sized city like Indianapolis wouldn't feel big time. In a pro sports town without the built in alumni base you're not really on the spectrum until you're deep into the tournament.
I'd the spotlight of playing at UC with our huge local alumni base with our new facilities would be more exciting but that's just me. Best wishes to the kid.
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RE: BB Class of 2021
Recruiting is all about relationships. Seems like Butler connected well before we did, and Brannen made a pretty good effort to almost steal him away.
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RE: BB Class of 2021
(02-28-2020 01:33 PM)robertfoshizzle Wrote: Recruiting is all about relationships. Seems like Butler connected well before we did, and Brannen made a pretty good effort to almost steal him away.
Exactly this. Butler had a huge advantage being a first mover and being in his backyard. Still a ton of time for UC to fill out the 2021 class. On to the next one!
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RE: BB Class of 2021
(02-28-2020 12:55 PM)natibeast21 Wrote: (02-28-2020 12:42 PM)Z-Fly Wrote: (02-28-2020 11:44 AM)Lush Wrote: butler. seriously. that's messed up man
Didn't they somewhat recently go to back to back National championship games or something like that? I don't think it's that surprising.
Yeah I don't find this that surprising. Maybe the kid liked the feel of a smaller private school.
Butler very recently was in the Nation Championship and is basically Xavier of Indianapolis except they have some real banners.
Who knows if the conference played much into it. I doubt a kid from Indiana thinks the Big East is all of that sitting in the heart of Big Ten country.
I live a couple miles from Butler's campus, and I've found one thing UC and Butler fans have in common is an extreme hatred of Xavier. Point being, I think most Butler fans would be repulsed by that comparison.
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RE: BB Class of 2021
(02-28-2020 02:25 PM)RuckleSt Wrote: (02-28-2020 12:55 PM)natibeast21 Wrote: (02-28-2020 12:42 PM)Z-Fly Wrote: (02-28-2020 11:44 AM)Lush Wrote: butler. seriously. that's messed up man
Didn't they somewhat recently go to back to back National championship games or something like that? I don't think it's that surprising.
Yeah I don't find this that surprising. Maybe the kid liked the feel of a smaller private school.
Butler very recently was in the Nation Championship and is basically Xavier of Indianapolis except they have some real banners.
Who knows if the conference played much into it. I doubt a kid from Indiana thinks the Big East is all of that sitting in the heart of Big Ten country.
I live a couple miles from Butler's campus, and I've found one thing UC and Butler fans have in common is an extreme hatred of Xavier. Point being, I think most Butler fans would be repulsed by that comparison.
Think I just became a Butler fan! Thanks for the insight.
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RE: BB Class of 2021
(02-28-2020 07:20 PM)cincy11 Wrote: (02-28-2020 02:25 PM)RuckleSt Wrote: (02-28-2020 12:55 PM)natibeast21 Wrote: (02-28-2020 12:42 PM)Z-Fly Wrote: (02-28-2020 11:44 AM)Lush Wrote: butler. seriously. that's messed up man
Didn't they somewhat recently go to back to back National championship games or something like that? I don't think it's that surprising.
Yeah I don't find this that surprising. Maybe the kid liked the feel of a smaller private school.
Butler very recently was in the Nation Championship and is basically Xavier of Indianapolis except they have some real banners.
Who knows if the conference played much into it. I doubt a kid from Indiana thinks the Big East is all of that sitting in the heart of Big Ten country.
I live a couple miles from Butler's campus, and I've found one thing UC and Butler fans have in common is an extreme hatred of Xavier. Point being, I think most Butler fans would be repulsed by that comparison.
Think I just became a Butler fan! Thanks for the insight.
A little background on the animosity.
https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/co.../96366506/
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RE: BB Class of 2021
So...remember Robert Whaley? Meet his son.
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RE: BB Class of 2021
Moeller big man Logan Duncomb commits to Indiana. Kinda sucke to lose out on a local 4 star but we'll have to see how the class ends up.
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(04-07-2020 01:46 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote: Moeller big man Logan Duncomb commits to Indiana. Kinda sucke to lose out on a local 4 star but we'll have to see how the class ends up.
I wish him well. No NCAA Tourney for the Hoosiers since 2016 and modest improvement in performance under Archie Miller in the eyes of Hoosier fans I know. If they miss out in 2021 I think his seat gets hot.
Let's hope there is a 6' 9" guy out there in the portal headed our way to get a little more size in the rotation this coming season.
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RE: BB Class of 2021
brannen is getting his ass handed to him by the indiana schools
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(04-08-2020 10:33 AM)Lush Wrote: brannen is getting his ass handed to him by the indiana schools
Feel like Brannen has come in and quickly improved over the last few classes Mick brought in. When we go after a lot of these higher ranked kids, you can bet we are going to lose out on a significant amount of them. It’s to be expected but he also appears capable of landing some of them.
After one and a half cycles he has landed two 4* recruits (Eason, Harvey) and that’s not counting MAW who ended up starting 19 games his Freshman year.
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RE: BB Class of 2021
I'd heard from a few Moeller folks back in the fall that Duncomb was going to go out of town for school. I don't think Uc or X were ever in the running. Other than the kid who went to Butler (and was long considered a likely Butler lock) who he got involved with late and made it to the final 2 who else has he lost out to in Indiana?
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(04-08-2020 03:55 PM)dsquare Wrote: I'd heard from a few Moeller folks back in the fall that Duncomb was going to go out of town for school. I don't think Uc or X were ever in the running. Other than the kid who went to Butler (and was long considered a likely Butler lock) who he got involved with late and made it to the final 2 who else has he lost out to in Indiana?
Could be referring to Galloway and Leal, who he brought on campus during the last offseason and both ultimately picked Indiana. But I believe one of those kids lives in Bloomington and the other was destined to go to Indiana.
Plus, as another poster mentioned, he's swinging for the fences for recruits moreso than the last staff, even going down to the wire with kids (Traynor). So, yea, some four-star players might commit elsewhere but others like Eason will turn down offers from other solid programs to play at UC.
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(04-08-2020 02:35 PM)C1ncy4Life Wrote: Feel like Brannen has come in and quickly improved over the last few classes Mick brought in. When we go after a lot of these higher ranked kids, you can bet we are going to lose out on a significant amount of them. It’s to be expected but he also appears capable of landing some of them.
After one and a half cycles he has landed two 4* recruits (Eason, Harvey) and that’s not counting MAW who ended up starting 19 games his Freshman year.
Even thou JB's recruiting is a little better than Micks final few years its not near good enough to where it needs to be. There's roughly 120-130 four and five star recruits every year. If UC can't land two a year or three in in every two year cycle then the coaching staff isn't getting it done.
UC is getting their arses handed to them both locally and within our conference.
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(04-09-2020 07:53 AM)nachoman91 Wrote: (04-08-2020 02:35 PM)C1ncy4Life Wrote: Feel like Brannen has come in and quickly improved over the last few classes Mick brought in. When we go after a lot of these higher ranked kids, you can bet we are going to lose out on a significant amount of them. It’s to be expected but he also appears capable of landing some of them.
After one and a half cycles he has landed two 4* recruits (Eason, Harvey) and that’s not counting MAW who ended up starting 19 games his Freshman year.
Even thou JB's recruiting is a little better than Micks final few years its not near good enough to where it needs to be. There's roughly 120-130 four and five star recruits every year. If UC can't land two a year or three in in every two year cycle then the coaching staff isn't getting it done.
UC is getting their arses handed to them both locally and within our conference.
So just to confirm, the two 4 star players that JB has landed in his first two recruiting cycles do or do not count in your assessment of him being not near good enough?
And also, again, just confirming the Nacho-based assessment curve here...so, getting the 4th ranked class in the conference on a 2 month recruiting window in his first cycle and the 2nd ranked class in the conference on his first full cycle is getting his ass handed to him by the conference? Want to make sure I'm covering all of my bases before I post more about his recruiting.
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(04-08-2020 02:35 PM)C1ncy4Life Wrote: (04-08-2020 10:33 AM)Lush Wrote: brannen is getting his ass handed to him by the indiana schools
Feel like Brannen has come in and quickly improved over the last few classes Mick brought in. When we go after a lot of these higher ranked kids, you can bet we are going to lose out on a significant amount of them. It’s to be expected but he also appears capable of landing some of them.
After one and a half cycles he has landed two 4* recruits (Eason, Harvey) and that’s not counting MAW who ended up starting 19 games his Freshman year.
i think he'll recruit same as mick for the interim. deep march runs have been this team's barrier since huggs. it's 25% conference, 25% coach 50% march
duncomb seemed like he was destined for the big 10. i'm already sick of indiana
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RE: BB Class of 2021
Brannen may not be chasing any more players than Mick did but my impression is he and his staff are more visible about it. Mick seemed to keep it locked down pretty tightly.
I prefer the more open approach. It is demonstrating that the staff isn't afraid to go after the kind of talent that UC needs to be the program we expect it to be. Potentially, there are benefits to this approach as other recruits are watching their peers to see who wants whom and what the buzz is about certain schools.
Different worlds I know, but Fickell has effectively used "the chase" to generate interest and the hometown heroes theme to create interest regionally. And delivered.
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(04-09-2020 07:53 AM)nachoman91 Wrote: (04-08-2020 02:35 PM)C1ncy4Life Wrote: Feel like Brannen has come in and quickly improved over the last few classes Mick brought in. When we go after a lot of these higher ranked kids, you can bet we are going to lose out on a significant amount of them. It’s to be expected but he also appears capable of landing some of them.
After one and a half cycles he has landed two 4* recruits (Eason, Harvey) and that’s not counting MAW who ended up starting 19 games his Freshman year.
Even thou JB's recruiting is a little better than Micks final few years its not near good enough to where it needs to be. There's roughly 120-130 four and five star recruits every year. If UC can't land two a year or three in in every two year cycle then the coaching staff isn't getting it done.
UC is getting their arses handed to them both locally and within our conference.
In JB’s first cycle he landed Zach Harvey which was the 49th best player in the country according to the 247 composite. How far back do you have to go since we had a recruit that highly rated? Hint: It’s further back then Jarron Cumberland in 2016 as he was rated the 56th best player according to 247’s composite ranking.
I don’t think by any definition you can say UC is getting their ass kicked, especially in the conference. They may not have the top class in the conference, but that doesn’t qualify as saying they are getting the arse kicked.
Brannen is already recruiting at a better clip then Mick was the last few seasons and he is still working to change UC’s reputation among recruits as a team that struggles offensively and focused on defense largely.
It’s a process and not having an opportunity to play in either the conference tournament or NCAA tournament won’t help as those can help spotlight the changes the staff has made and why recruits may want to play when they wouldn’t have given UC a look before.
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(04-09-2020 01:13 PM)C1ncy4Life Wrote: (04-09-2020 07:53 AM)nachoman91 Wrote: (04-08-2020 02:35 PM)C1ncy4Life Wrote: Feel like Brannen has come in and quickly improved over the last few classes Mick brought in. When we go after a lot of these higher ranked kids, you can bet we are going to lose out on a significant amount of them. It’s to be expected but he also appears capable of landing some of them.
After one and a half cycles he has landed two 4* recruits (Eason, Harvey) and that’s not counting MAW who ended up starting 19 games his Freshman year.
Even thou JB's recruiting is a little better than Micks final few years its not near good enough to where it needs to be. There's roughly 120-130 four and five star recruits every year. If UC can't land two a year or three in in every two year cycle then the coaching staff isn't getting it done.
UC is getting their arses handed to them both locally and within our conference.
In JB’s first cycle he landed Zach Harvey which was the 49th best player in the country according to the 247 composite. How far back do you have to go since we had a recruit that highly rated? Hint: It’s further back then Jarron Cumberland in 2016 as he was rated the 56th best player according to 247’s composite ranking.
I don’t think by any definition you can say UC is getting their ass kicked, especially in the conference. They may not have the top class in the conference, but that doesn’t qualify as saying they are getting the arse kicked.
Brannen is already recruiting at a better clip then Mick was the last few seasons and he is still working to change UC’s reputation among recruits as a team that struggles offensively and focused on defense largely.
It’s a process and not having an opportunity to play in either the conference tournament or NCAA tournament won’t help as those can help spotlight the changes the staff has made and why recruits may want to play when they wouldn’t have given UC a look before.
Great observation. The NCAA tourney would have been an opportunity to showcase a new style of play for a larger audience. And I think what we saw much of this season was still, by necessity, a mix of old and new. Lots to look forward to this coming season in terms of running the floor, taking open jumpers and pressing frequently on D.
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