(01-20-2020 11:36 AM)panama Wrote:  What's fun about this?

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Not having to deal with "schools" like Georgia State mentioning themselves in the same sentence as Notre Dame, etc.

(01-20-2020 11:18 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  This is just for fun.

But what if college football went to three subdivisions?

How would you do it? Would it be based on money, history or both? Would numerical equality matter to you?

I have a couple configurations but I'll lay out just one below.

Level I

PAC
West: California, Oregon, Oregon St, Stanford, Utah, Washington, Washington St
East: Arizona, Arizona St, Colorado, Kansas St, Texas Tech, UCLA, USC

B1G
West: Iowa, Iowa St, Minnesota, Missouri, Nebraska, Northwestern, Wisconsin
East: Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Michigan St, Ohio St, Penn St, Purdue

SEC
West: Arkansas, Kansas, LSU, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St, Texas, Texas A&M
East: Alabama, Auburn, Florida, Georgia, Mississippi, Mississippi St, Tennessee

ACC
North: Kentucky, Maryland, North Carolina St, South Carolina, Vanderbilt, Virginia Tech, Wake Forest
South: Clemson, Duke, Florida St, Georgia Tech, Miami FL, North Carolina, Virginia

Metro
North: Army, Boston College, Pittsburgh, Rutgers, Syracuse, Temple, West Virginia
South: Central Florida, Cincinnati, East Carolina, Louisville, Memphis, South Florida, Tulane

MWC
West: Boise St, BYU, Colorado St, Fresno St, Hawaii, Nevada, San Diego St
East: Air Force, Baylor, Houston, Navy, SMU, TCU, Tulsa

IND: Notre Dame

Level II

Big Sky
West: Cal Poly, Eastern Washington, Idaho, Northern Arizona, UC Davis, UNLV, Sacramento St, San Jose St
East: Montana, Montana St, New Mexico, Utah St, UTEP, UTSA, Weber St, Wyoming


Southland
West: Lamar, New Mexico St, North Texas, Rice, Sam Houston St, Stephen F. Austin St, Texas St
East: Louisiana Tech, McNeese St, Nicholls St, Northwestern St, Southeastern Louisiana, UL Lafayette, UL Monroe

Sun Belt
North: Appalachian St, Charlotte, Coastal Carolina, Georgia Southern, Georgia St, Liberty, Old Dominion
South: Florida Atlantic, Florida International, Jacksonville St, South Alabama, Southern Miss, Troy, UAB

MVC
West: Illinois St, North Dakota, North Dakota St, Northern Illinois, Northern Iowa, South Dakota, South Dakota St, Western Illinois
East: Arkansas St, Ball St, Central Arkansas, Eastern Illinois, Indiana St, Missouri St, Southeast Missouri St, Southern Illinois

MAC
North: Akron, Bowling Green St, Central Michigan, Eastern Michigan, Kent St, Toledo, Western Michigan
South: Eastern Kentucky, Marshall, Miami OH, Middle Tennessee St, Ohio, Western Kentucky, Youngstown St

CAA
North: Albany, Buffalo, Connecticut, Maine, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Rhode Island
South: Delaware, Georgetown, James Madison, Richmond, Stony Brook, Towson, Villanova

Level III

Ivy: Brown, Columbia, Cornell, Dartmouth, Harvard, Penn, Princeton, Yale

Patriot: Bucknell, Colgate, Duquesne, Fordham, Holy Cross, Lafayette, Lehigh, William & Mary

SWAC: Alabama A&M, Alabama St, Alcorn St, Grambling St, Jackson St, Mississippi Valley St, Prairie View A&M, Southern, Texas Southern, UAPB

MEAC: Bethune-Cookman, Delaware St, Florida A&M, Hampton, Howard, Morgan St, Norfolk St, North Carolina A&T, North Carolina Central, South Carolina St

SOCON: Campbell, Chattanooga, The Citadel, Davidson, East Tennessee St, Elon, Gardner-Webb, Tennessee St, Tennessee Tech, VMI, Western Carolina

Big South: Charleston Southern, Furman, Kennesaw St, Mercer, North Alabama, Presbyterian, Samford, Stetson, Wofford

OVC: Austin Peay St, Butler, Dayton, Drake, Morehead St, Murray St, St. Thomas, UT Martin, Valparaiso

NEC: Bryant, Central Connecticut St, Long Island, Marist, Merrimack, Monmouth, Robert Morris, Sacred Heart, St. Francis PA, Wagner

WAC: Abilene Christian, Dixie St, Houston Baptist, Idaho St, Incarnate Word, Northern Arizona, Northern Colorado, Portland St, San Diego, Southern Utah, Tarleton St

Can I give you my address so you can send me what ever good sh*t you are smoking?

(01-20-2020 06:39 PM)Cajuns1252 Wrote:  

(01-20-2020 11:18 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  This is just for fun.

But what if college football went to three subdivisions?

How would you do it? Would it be based on money, history or both? Would numerical equality matter to you?

I have a couple configurations but I'll lay out just one below.

Level I

PAC
West: California, Oregon, Oregon St, Stanford, Utah, Washington, Washington St
East: Arizona, Arizona St, Colorado, Kansas St, Texas Tech, UCLA, USC

B1G
West: Iowa, Iowa St, Minnesota, Missouri, Nebraska, Northwestern, Wisconsin
East: Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Michigan St, Ohio St, Penn St, Purdue

SEC
West: Arkansas, Kansas, LSU, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St, Texas, Texas A&M
East: Alabama, Auburn, Florida, Georgia, Mississippi, Mississippi St, Tennessee

ACC
North: Kentucky, Maryland, North Carolina St, South Carolina, Vanderbilt, Virginia Tech, Wake Forest
South: Clemson, Duke, Florida St, Georgia Tech, Miami FL, North Carolina, Virginia

Metro
North: Army, Boston College, Pittsburgh, Rutgers, Syracuse, Temple, West Virginia
South: Central Florida, Cincinnati, East Carolina, Louisville, Memphis, South Florida, Tulane

MWC
West: Boise St, BYU, Colorado St, Fresno St, Hawaii, Nevada, San Diego St
East: Air Force, Baylor, Houston, Navy, SMU, TCU, Tulsa

IND: Notre Dame

Level II

Big Sky
West: Cal Poly, Eastern Washington, Idaho, Northern Arizona, UC Davis, UNLV, Sacramento St, San Jose St
East: Montana, Montana St, New Mexico, Utah St, UTEP, UTSA, Weber St, Wyoming


Southland
West: Lamar, New Mexico St, North Texas, Rice, Sam Houston St, Stephen F. Austin St, Texas St
East: Louisiana Tech, McNeese St, Nicholls St, Northwestern St, Southeastern Louisiana, UL Lafayette, UL Monroe

Sun Belt
North: Appalachian St, Charlotte, Coastal Carolina, Georgia Southern, Georgia St, Liberty, Old Dominion
South: Florida Atlantic, Florida International, Jacksonville St, South Alabama, Southern Miss, Troy, UAB

MVC
West: Illinois St, North Dakota, North Dakota St, Northern Illinois, Northern Iowa, South Dakota, South Dakota St, Western Illinois
East: Arkansas St, Ball St, Central Arkansas, Eastern Illinois, Indiana St, Missouri St, Southeast Missouri St, Southern Illinois

MAC
North: Akron, Bowling Green St, Central Michigan, Eastern Michigan, Kent St, Toledo, Western Michigan
South: Eastern Kentucky, Marshall, Miami OH, Middle Tennessee St, Ohio, Western Kentucky, Youngstown St

CAA
North: Albany, Buffalo, Connecticut, Maine, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Rhode Island
South: Delaware, Georgetown, James Madison, Richmond, Stony Brook, Towson, Villanova

Level III

Ivy: Brown, Columbia, Cornell, Dartmouth, Harvard, Penn, Princeton, Yale

Patriot: Bucknell, Colgate, Duquesne, Fordham, Holy Cross, Lafayette, Lehigh, William & Mary

SWAC: Alabama A&M, Alabama St, Alcorn St, Grambling St, Jackson St, Mississippi Valley St, Prairie View A&M, Southern, Texas Southern, UAPB

MEAC: Bethune-Cookman, Delaware St, Florida A&M, Hampton, Howard, Morgan St, Norfolk St, North Carolina A&T, North Carolina Central, South Carolina St

SOCON: Campbell, Chattanooga, The Citadel, Davidson, East Tennessee St, Elon, Gardner-Webb, Tennessee St, Tennessee Tech, VMI, Western Carolina

Big South: Charleston Southern, Furman, Kennesaw St, Mercer, North Alabama, Presbyterian, Samford, Stetson, Wofford

OVC: Austin Peay St, Butler, Dayton, Drake, Morehead St, Murray St, St. Thomas, UT Martin, Valparaiso

NEC: Bryant, Central Connecticut St, Long Island, Marist, Merrimack, Monmouth, Robert Morris, Sacred Heart, St. Francis PA, Wagner

WAC: Abilene Christian, Dixie St, Houston Baptist, Idaho St, Incarnate Word, Northern Arizona, Northern Colorado, Portland St, San Diego, Southern Utah, Tarleton St

Can I give you my address so you can send me what ever good sh*t you are smoking?

It’s some pretty damn good shite

Stop doing levels/tiers within a division. People can't comprehend it. Realign the divisions I-V instead.

(01-21-2020 05:15 PM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  Stop doing levels/tiers within a division. People can't comprehend it. Realign the divisions I-V instead.

So we should get rid of the FBS/FCS tiers? That is already the precedence to a tiered system.

(01-21-2020 05:25 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  

(01-21-2020 05:15 PM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  Stop doing levels/tiers within a division. People can't comprehend it. Realign the divisions I-V instead.

So we should get rid of the FBS/FCS tiers? That is already the precedence to a tiered system.

I would do that. Make it all just Division I football, with the same rules and scholarship limits, and give each conference, and each independent school, the option to choose either the bowl/CFP postseason or the NCAA playoff postseason.

Pretty sure 99% of CFB fans would disagree with me there, though.

the OP does a 3 tier split but simply moves entire conferences into a tier. I propose, Once you change the entire structure of division I, the current membership within each conference will most likely change as well.

so if 255 teams in DI = to 85 teams per teir, then there would be a major scramble of which teams make each cut. not just plug in a entire conference for a particular tier.

(01-21-2020 05:52 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(01-21-2020 05:25 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  

(01-21-2020 05:15 PM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  Stop doing levels/tiers within a division. People can't comprehend it. Realign the divisions I-V instead.

So we should get rid of the FBS/FCS tiers? That is already the precedence to a tiered system.

I would do that. Make it all just Division I football, with the same rules and scholarship limits, and give each conference, and each independent school, the option to choose either the bowl/CFP postseason or the NCAA playoff postseason.

Pretty sure 99% of CFB fans would disagree with me there, though.

I would.

P5 would be able to play more schools they have no business playing. There would be a humongous gap from top to bottom. And it would harm the G5 as right now they have an advantage over the FCS schools. So the P5/G whatever gap would become a chasm. I don't see any upside.

(01-20-2020 06:10 PM)Scoochpooch1 Wrote:  

(01-20-2020 11:36 AM)panama Wrote:  What's fun about this?

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Not having to deal with "schools" like Georgia State mentioning themselves in the same sentence as Notre Dame, etc.

What about mentioning themselves in the same sentence as Tennessee?

(01-21-2020 08:27 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-21-2020 05:52 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(01-21-2020 05:25 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  

(01-21-2020 05:15 PM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  Stop doing levels/tiers within a division. People can't comprehend it. Realign the divisions I-V instead.

So we should get rid of the FBS/FCS tiers? That is already the precedence to a tiered system.

I would do that. Make it all just Division I football, with the same rules and scholarship limits, and give each conference, and each independent school, the option to choose either the bowl/CFP postseason or the NCAA playoff postseason.

Pretty sure 99% of CFB fans would disagree with me there, though.

I would.

P5 would be able to play more schools they have no business playing. There would be a humongous gap from top to bottom. And it would harm the G5 as right now they have an advantage over the FCS schools. So the P5/G whatever gap would become a chasm. I don't see any upside.

Those are valid concerns. On the other hand, if there shouldn’t be a hard barrier between Illinois and Northern Illinois, then there shouldn’t be a hard barrier between Northern Illinois and North Dakota State, either.

(01-21-2020 10:26 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(01-21-2020 08:27 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-21-2020 05:52 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(01-21-2020 05:25 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  

(01-21-2020 05:15 PM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  Stop doing levels/tiers within a division. People can't comprehend it. Realign the divisions I-V instead.

So we should get rid of the FBS/FCS tiers? That is already the precedence to a tiered system.

I would do that. Make it all just Division I football, with the same rules and scholarship limits, and give each conference, and each independent school, the option to choose either the bowl/CFP postseason or the NCAA playoff postseason.

Pretty sure 99% of CFB fans would disagree with me there, though.

I would.

P5 would be able to play more schools they have no business playing. There would be a humongous gap from top to bottom. And it would harm the G5 as right now they have an advantage over the FCS schools. So the P5/G whatever gap would become a chasm. I don't see any upside.

Those are valid concerns. On the other hand, if there shouldn’t be a hard barrier between Illinois and Northern Illinois, then there shouldn’t be a hard barrier between Northern Illinois and North Dakota State, either.

It seems like with the greater exposure of the G5 on TV, there is a growing gap.

Maybe its just a 2 or 3 year cycle, but it seems like only the Big Sky, MVC and a few in the Colonial are even competitive with the G5 schools. Whereas before, there didn't seem to be much of a gap between the MAC/Sun Belt and a number of FCS conferences.

(01-20-2020 06:39 PM)Cajuns1252 Wrote:  

(01-20-2020 11:18 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  This is just for fun.

But what if college football went to three subdivisions?

How would you do it? Would it be based on money, history or both? Would numerical equality matter to you?

I have a couple configurations but I'll lay out just one below.

Level I

PAC
West: California, Oregon, Oregon St, Stanford, Utah, Washington, Washington St
East: Arizona, Arizona St, Colorado, Kansas St, Texas Tech, UCLA, USC

B1G
West: Iowa, Iowa St, Minnesota, Missouri, Nebraska, Northwestern, Wisconsin
East: Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Michigan St, Ohio St, Penn St, Purdue

SEC
West: Arkansas, Kansas, LSU, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St, Texas, Texas A&M
East: Alabama, Auburn, Florida, Georgia, Mississippi, Mississippi St, Tennessee

ACC
North: Kentucky, Maryland, North Carolina St, South Carolina, Vanderbilt, Virginia Tech, Wake Forest
South: Clemson, Duke, Florida St, Georgia Tech, Miami FL, North Carolina, Virginia

Metro
North: Army, Boston College, Pittsburgh, Rutgers, Syracuse, Temple, West Virginia
South: Central Florida, Cincinnati, East Carolina, Louisville, Memphis, South Florida, Tulane

MWC
West: Boise St, BYU, Colorado St, Fresno St, Hawaii, Nevada, San Diego St
East: Air Force, Baylor, Houston, Navy, SMU, TCU, Tulsa

IND: Notre Dame

Level II

Big Sky
West: Cal Poly, Eastern Washington, Idaho, Northern Arizona, UC Davis, UNLV, Sacramento St, San Jose St
East: Montana, Montana St, New Mexico, Utah St, UTEP, UTSA, Weber St, Wyoming


Southland
West: Lamar, New Mexico St, North Texas, Rice, Sam Houston St, Stephen F. Austin St, Texas St
East: Louisiana Tech, McNeese St, Nicholls St, Northwestern St, Southeastern Louisiana, UL Lafayette, UL Monroe

Sun Belt
North: Appalachian St, Charlotte, Coastal Carolina, Georgia Southern, Georgia St, Liberty, Old Dominion
South: Florida Atlantic, Florida International, Jacksonville St, South Alabama, Southern Miss, Troy, UAB

MVC
West: Illinois St, North Dakota, North Dakota St, Northern Illinois, Northern Iowa, South Dakota, South Dakota St, Western Illinois
East: Arkansas St, Ball St, Central Arkansas, Eastern Illinois, Indiana St, Missouri St, Southeast Missouri St, Southern Illinois

MAC
North: Akron, Bowling Green St, Central Michigan, Eastern Michigan, Kent St, Toledo, Western Michigan
South: Eastern Kentucky, Marshall, Miami OH, Middle Tennessee St, Ohio, Western Kentucky, Youngstown St

CAA
North: Albany, Buffalo, Connecticut, Maine, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Rhode Island
South: Delaware, Georgetown, James Madison, Richmond, Stony Brook, Towson, Villanova

Level III

Ivy: Brown, Columbia, Cornell, Dartmouth, Harvard, Penn, Princeton, Yale

Patriot: Bucknell, Colgate, Duquesne, Fordham, Holy Cross, Lafayette, Lehigh, William & Mary

SWAC: Alabama A&M, Alabama St, Alcorn St, Grambling St, Jackson St, Mississippi Valley St, Prairie View A&M, Southern, Texas Southern, UAPB

MEAC: Bethune-Cookman, Delaware St, Florida A&M, Hampton, Howard, Morgan St, Norfolk St, North Carolina A&T, North Carolina Central, South Carolina St

SOCON: Campbell, Chattanooga, The Citadel, Davidson, East Tennessee St, Elon, Gardner-Webb, Tennessee St, Tennessee Tech, VMI, Western Carolina

Big South: Charleston Southern, Furman, Kennesaw St, Mercer, North Alabama, Presbyterian, Samford, Stetson, Wofford

OVC: Austin Peay St, Butler, Dayton, Drake, Morehead St, Murray St, St. Thomas, UT Martin, Valparaiso

NEC: Bryant, Central Connecticut St, Long Island, Marist, Merrimack, Monmouth, Robert Morris, Sacred Heart, St. Francis PA, Wagner

WAC: Abilene Christian, Dixie St, Houston Baptist, Idaho St, Incarnate Word, Northern Arizona, Northern Colorado, Portland St, San Diego, Southern Utah, Tarleton St

Can I give you my address so you can send me what ever good sh*t you are smoking?

My guess is, he's used up his entire supply.

There's already three tiers, de facto (A5, G5, FCS) and de jure (D-I FBS football playing schools, D-I FCS football playing schools and D-I non-football schools).

When I see Yet Another Post Trading Schools Like Trading Cards, I get the same reaction as to all of the previous ones.

In what universe do the MOVES happen that actually make these various outcomes happen? It has to be a universe where conferences are NOT voting organizations of member schools.

Is the Big Ten going to swap Rutgers for Iowa State just to make it easier to make a competing conference to its East? Of course not.

Is there any reason for the MAC to expand from 12 if they are being downgraded into the new "FCS-IA" while the old FCS becomes "FCS-IAA"? If the MAC gets rammed down out of FBS, as was tried in the 1980's, maybe NIU decides it's not worth it, as maybe there's an equally good "FCS-IA" conference in the upper Mississippi river valley ... and maybe Buffalo finds there's a better Northeastern conference available in FCS-IA ... so maybe the MAC drops down from 12 to 10. But absolutely no point in expanding and increasing travel costs when media revenues and marketing benefits of FCS-IA football will be lower than for Go5 football.

It's coming up with a rearrangement of schools that pleases some system-building instinct ... but it's has nothing to do with actual conference realignment.

(01-22-2020 09:33 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(01-20-2020 06:39 PM)Cajuns1252 Wrote:  

(01-20-2020 11:18 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  This is just for fun.

But what if college football went to three subdivisions?

How would you do it? Would it be based on money, history or both? Would numerical equality matter to you?

I have a couple configurations but I'll lay out just one below.

Level I

PAC
West: California, Oregon, Oregon St, Stanford, Utah, Washington, Washington St
East: Arizona, Arizona St, Colorado, Kansas St, Texas Tech, UCLA, USC

B1G
West: Iowa, Iowa St, Minnesota, Missouri, Nebraska, Northwestern, Wisconsin
East: Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Michigan St, Ohio St, Penn St, Purdue

SEC
West: Arkansas, Kansas, LSU, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St, Texas, Texas A&M
East: Alabama, Auburn, Florida, Georgia, Mississippi, Mississippi St, Tennessee

ACC
North: Kentucky, Maryland, North Carolina St, South Carolina, Vanderbilt, Virginia Tech, Wake Forest
South: Clemson, Duke, Florida St, Georgia Tech, Miami FL, North Carolina, Virginia

Metro
North: Army, Boston College, Pittsburgh, Rutgers, Syracuse, Temple, West Virginia
South: Central Florida, Cincinnati, East Carolina, Louisville, Memphis, South Florida, Tulane

MWC
West: Boise St, BYU, Colorado St, Fresno St, Hawaii, Nevada, San Diego St
East: Air Force, Baylor, Houston, Navy, SMU, TCU, Tulsa

IND: Notre Dame

Level II

Big Sky
West: Cal Poly, Eastern Washington, Idaho, Northern Arizona, UC Davis, UNLV, Sacramento St, San Jose St
East: Montana, Montana St, New Mexico, Utah St, UTEP, UTSA, Weber St, Wyoming


Southland
West: Lamar, New Mexico St, North Texas, Rice, Sam Houston St, Stephen F. Austin St, Texas St
East: Louisiana Tech, McNeese St, Nicholls St, Northwestern St, Southeastern Louisiana, UL Lafayette, UL Monroe

Sun Belt
North: Appalachian St, Charlotte, Coastal Carolina, Georgia Southern, Georgia St, Liberty, Old Dominion
South: Florida Atlantic, Florida International, Jacksonville St, South Alabama, Southern Miss, Troy, UAB

MVC
West: Illinois St, North Dakota, North Dakota St, Northern Illinois, Northern Iowa, South Dakota, South Dakota St, Western Illinois
East: Arkansas St, Ball St, Central Arkansas, Eastern Illinois, Indiana St, Missouri St, Southeast Missouri St, Southern Illinois

MAC
North: Akron, Bowling Green St, Central Michigan, Eastern Michigan, Kent St, Toledo, Western Michigan
South: Eastern Kentucky, Marshall, Miami OH, Middle Tennessee St, Ohio, Western Kentucky, Youngstown St

CAA
North: Albany, Buffalo, Connecticut, Maine, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Rhode Island
South: Delaware, Georgetown, James Madison, Richmond, Stony Brook, Towson, Villanova

Level III

Ivy: Brown, Columbia, Cornell, Dartmouth, Harvard, Penn, Princeton, Yale

Patriot: Bucknell, Colgate, Duquesne, Fordham, Holy Cross, Lafayette, Lehigh, William & Mary

SWAC: Alabama A&M, Alabama St, Alcorn St, Grambling St, Jackson St, Mississippi Valley St, Prairie View A&M, Southern, Texas Southern, UAPB

MEAC: Bethune-Cookman, Delaware St, Florida A&M, Hampton, Howard, Morgan St, Norfolk St, North Carolina A&T, North Carolina Central, South Carolina St

SOCON: Campbell, Chattanooga, The Citadel, Davidson, East Tennessee St, Elon, Gardner-Webb, Tennessee St, Tennessee Tech, VMI, Western Carolina

Big South: Charleston Southern, Furman, Kennesaw St, Mercer, North Alabama, Presbyterian, Samford, Stetson, Wofford

OVC: Austin Peay St, Butler, Dayton, Drake, Morehead St, Murray St, St. Thomas, UT Martin, Valparaiso

NEC: Bryant, Central Connecticut St, Long Island, Marist, Merrimack, Monmouth, Robert Morris, Sacred Heart, St. Francis PA, Wagner

WAC: Abilene Christian, Dixie St, Houston Baptist, Idaho St, Incarnate Word, Northern Arizona, Northern Colorado, Portland St, San Diego, Southern Utah, Tarleton St

Can I give you my address so you can send me what ever good sh*t you are smoking?

My guess is, he's used up his entire supply.

Nope, don't touch the devil's lettuce

People are just jealous they didn't think of this first

How about 4 levels? 4th would be none scholarships for football to actually MIT and the likes to make the move to upgrade to D1?