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(01-24-2020 08:30 AM)ken d Wrote:  If BYU, Boise and SDSU were all independent, don't you think they could jointly negotiate a pretty nice bowl tie-in in Southern California or Arizona that matches them against a PAC or Big XII opponent?

I don't think Boise and SDSU would go independent-BYU is a different animal. I think Boise in particular cares more about a G5 spot. I kind of think part of why Boise would be looking to move is this season quite frankly, where they had only 1 loss and no chance of getting into the G5 slot.

Boise also proved they were not very good this past season and did not deserve a NY6 spot.

By all means though, take three teams from that not very good conference in hopes to improve another. Sort of losing your logic here, Steve.

Part of it is that it would absolutely cripple the MWC to the level of the SBC, MAC, or CUSA. Takes the chances of getting the G5 spot from 60-70% up to really close to 95%.

I get that, but that’s assuming a few things:

1) San Diego St. and Boise St. can keep up their programs not playing in the region they recruit. Nobody in California will have ANY incentive to play them.

2) Undefeated G5 programs won’t leapfrog a one or two loss AAC champ. I don’t foresee any AAC teams faring well on the blue turf.

I get the sentiment, but if SDSU and Boise games are on national television, there will be plenty of incentive for California schools to play them.
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(01-24-2020 08:33 AM)stever20 Wrote:  I don't think Boise and SDSU would go independent-BYU is a different animal. I think Boise in particular cares more about a G5 spot. I kind of think part of why Boise would be looking to move is this season quite frankly, where they had only 1 loss and no chance of getting into the G5 slot.

Boise also proved they were not very good this past season and did not deserve a NY6 spot.

By all means though, take three teams from that not very good conference in hopes to improve another. Sort of losing your logic here, Steve.

Part of it is that it would absolutely cripple the MWC to the level of the SBC, MAC, or CUSA. Takes the chances of getting the G5 spot from 60-70% up to really close to 95%.

I get that, but that’s assuming a few things:

1) San Diego St. and Boise St. can keep up their programs not playing in the region they recruit. Nobody in California will have ANY incentive to play them.

2) Undefeated G5 programs won’t leapfrog a one or two loss AAC champ. I don’t foresee any AAC teams faring well on the blue turf.

I get the sentiment, but if SDSU and Boise games are on national television, there will be plenty of incentive for California schools to play them.

All of their games, or just certain in-conference games?
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(01-22-2020 10:14 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  If Boise were no longer in the MWC, either by leaving or being removed, would the MWC look to fill just that opening, or expand to 14?

I've heard the MWC wants back into Texas. Would bringing the central timezone back to the MWC create an increase in media value for the conference? If it does, where is the sweat spot? One Texas program, or three?

I know UTEP fans are interested in returning to the MWC, but I don't know where any of other C-USA Texas programs stand. I do think that if the MWC wanted to move to 14 programs taking a block of three C-USA Texas programs might make a lot of sense. Based on how poorly C-USA has been run over the last 6 seasons, I think the MWC could poach from C-USA Texas programs.

Thoughts?

Didn’t UNT rejected the WAC not once but twice when they were in the Sun Belt? The MWC minus Boise (even with them) is literally the WAC that UNT rejected. C-USA West is the best situation for UNT, UTSA and Louisiana Tech. Rice is an AAC West school with a C-USA logo on their field and court while UTEP has history with the Front Range schools. I would say get rid of Judy and maybe things will get better for the conference.

Yes. North Texas did reject the WAC, but that was back when we had poor leadership and no money.

Like every program in C-USA, UNT is looking to improve their situation. I love conferencing with the schools in C-USA West, but Judy is a terrible commissioner, our media exposure sucks, and too many members of C-USA don't seem serious about improving their programs, which hurts the overall strength of the conference. As a result, C-USA has diminished over the last several seasons. North Texas isn't dumping millions into our athletics just to languish among the bottom tier of collage athletics. So, if a better opportunity were to open, we would certainly take a serious look.



You imply UNT selected wrong. 07-coffee3

Yeah the WAC with La.Tech and the next closest school being soon to leave UTEP and NMSU wasn't going to fly with anyone who had been through the Big West and teams getting home back to Denton at 3am on a Friday morning in basketball.

UNT saved a departure fee and an entrance fee and landed exactly the same place they would have landed (unless athletics tanked even worse) had they gone to WAC.

The offer UNT and ULL put to the WAC was take both of us plus AState and MTSU and ya gotta deal which probably would have accelerated Idaho's departure from FBS, probably ends SBC football with Idaho, ULM, and Troy unable to get the league up to the 8 teams needed meaning FIU and FAU do extended stays in FCS, WKU remains in FCS, South Alabama probably doesn't start football and made the calculus vastly different when CUSA 2.0 gets raided.

No. We didn't select at all. At the time a move to a better western based conference was not economical. In the early 2000's, UNT just couldn't afford it. I think UNT had an annual athletic budget of about $8 million at that time. North Texas now has an annual athletic budget in the neighborhood of $40 million. It is a completely different situation now.

Not that I think North Texas is headed to a P5 but, I do think TCU proved that a Texas program can be successful by substantially increasing investment in athletics, and aligning with respected programs that have lucrative and visible media exposure in a western based conference.

Would I want UNT to move to the MWC? I don't know. C-USA isn't run well, and the conference isn't on the upswing, but I really like conferencing with the programs in the western division. If there were a block of C-USA Texas programs invited, I'd be more interested in our university leadership considering the move.
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Boise would be snatched up as a football only by the AAC in a heartbeat if the Broncos aren’t able to successfully bully the MWC into giving them what they want. The question is could they stomach being an Olympic sports member of the Big Sky or WAC in order to make that happen?

I still like the idea of Boise, BYU, and AFA as full members of a 14 team AAC that only played 6 division games and no required crossovers; I just don’t know that the powers at be would go for it.
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(01-25-2020 10:51 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Boise would be snatched up as a football only by the AAC in a heartbeat if the Broncos aren’t able to successfully bully the MWC into giving them what they want. The question is could they stomach being an Olympic sports member of the Big Sky or WAC in order to make that happen?

I still like the idea of Boise, BYU, and AFA as full members of a 14 team AAC that only played 6 division games and no required crossovers; I just don’t know that the powers at be would go for it.
I’d rather have AFA football only, their olympic sports suck and we could add someone like VCU or Dayton instead.
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(01-25-2020 10:51 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Boise would be snatched up as a football only by the AAC in a heartbeat if the Broncos aren’t able to successfully bully the MWC into giving them what they want. The question is could they stomach being an Olympic sports member of the Big Sky or WAC in order to make that happen?

Might be they would ... they seem to be a strong football-first school. But it might have to be the island of misfit toys, AKA the WAC, if the AAC FB-only media payment isn't enough to cover the cost of travel subsidies to the Big Sky.

Quote: I still like the idea of Boise, BYU, and AFA as full members of a 14 team AAC that only played 6 division games and no required crossovers; I just don’t know that the powers at be would go for it.
Only problem for the AAC is that getting BYU is a Grizzly Bear Soup recipe{*} ... BYU will join the AAC if the AAC is actually a P6 conference, with NY6 contract bowl, double voting rights and the whole ball of wax.

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Best I could see Boise squeezing out of the MW is a reduced exit fee. But, while any G5 conference would love to have the Broncos, their best play is to stay in the MW, with independence a distant 2nd.
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(01-26-2020 04:19 AM)Crayton Wrote:  Best I could see Boise squeezing out of the MW is a reduced exit fee.

Unless a judge found a breach and being allowed to leave with an exit fee was awarded as compensation. If their lawyers thought that was a possibility, that might be reason to go to court to strengthen their hand in bargaining.

Quote: But, while any G5 conference would love to have the Broncos, their best play is to stay in the MW, with independence a distant 2nd.
Yeah, and with anyone other than the AAC, they could probably specify a partner in the move if they wanted to.

In a conference, if they get a big upset win OOC, they are in the Access Bowl conversation so long as they keep winning in conference. As an independent, if they get a big upset win in September, they still aren't going to get an at-large CFP bid, and they aren't in line for the Access Bowl spot, so it doesn't really matter so much.

Which is not only about pride, but is also about the media value of their brand.
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(01-24-2020 09:35 AM)Sactowndog Wrote:  Harsin is a crappy coach so who is going to stay up late to watch a mid tier AAC game? Also will an 8-4 Boise be ranked as high? They weren’t a great team this year as Washington proved.

I watched him nearly coach himself out of a chance to advance in the profession as head coach at AState getting destroyed by a 3 win rival had the torches lit and the pitchforks sharpened and a few weeks later loses at home to a conference rival in a flat horrible performance that left the Red Wolves 3-4 and he fired himself as play caller and promoted a holdover from Malzahn's staff who then coached AState to a 5-1 record down the stretch saving him.

CFB isn't loaded up with coaches self-aware enough to do what he did and even fewer of them will publicly admit they made such a change mid-season.

He's got my respect as a head coach.
He never fixed his mistakes at Texas. He kept turning first and goals at the 5 into 2nd and goals at the 20 by being cutesy. Helped turn at 13-1 team into 5-7.

At Texas he didn't have the hire/fire staff organization authority he had as head coach at AState. The Malzahn cast-off who saved his bacon recently became head coach at Mizzou.
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(01-24-2020 08:33 AM)stever20 Wrote:  I don't think Boise and SDSU would go independent-BYU is a different animal. I think Boise in particular cares more about a G5 spot. I kind of think part of why Boise would be looking to move is this season quite frankly, where they had only 1 loss and no chance of getting into the G5 slot.

Boise also proved they were not very good this past season and did not deserve a NY6 spot.

By all means though, take three teams from that not very good conference in hopes to improve another. Sort of losing your logic here, Steve.

Part of it is that it would absolutely cripple the MWC to the level of the SBC, MAC, or CUSA. Takes the chances of getting the G5 spot from 60-70% up to really close to 95%.

I get that, but that’s assuming a few things:

1) San Diego St. and Boise St. can keep up their programs not playing in the region they recruit. Nobody in California will have ANY incentive to play them.

2) Undefeated G5 programs won’t leapfrog a one or two loss AAC champ. I don’t foresee any AAC teams faring well on the blue turf.

I get the sentiment, but if SDSU and Boise games are on national television, there will be plenty of incentive for California schools to play them.

Everyone has a non-conference slate to fill. There are 26 FBS schools and 18 FCS in the Mountain, Pacific, and Hawaiian time zones if my top of my head count didn't miss someone and San Diego can't be counted for bowl eligibility so 17.

It's hard to get teams to head out west, especially if you aren't touting a tourist destination to help your scheduling.
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(01-23-2020 10:34 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  
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(01-22-2020 10:14 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  If Boise were no longer in the MWC, either by leaving or being removed, would the MWC look to fill just that opening, or expand to 14?

I've heard the MWC wants back into Texas. Would bringing the central timezone back to the MWC create an increase in media value for the conference? If it does, where is the sweat spot? One Texas program, or three?

I know UTEP fans are interested in returning to the MWC, but I don't know where any of other C-USA Texas programs stand. I do think that if the MWC wanted to move to 14 programs taking a block of three C-USA Texas programs might make a lot of sense. Based on how poorly C-USA has been run over the last 6 seasons, I think the MWC could poach from C-USA Texas programs.

Thoughts?

Didn’t UNT rejected the WAC not once but twice when they were in the Sun Belt? The MWC minus Boise (even with them) is literally the WAC that UNT rejected. C-USA West is the best situation for UNT, UTSA and Louisiana Tech. Rice is an AAC West school with a C-USA logo on their field and court while UTEP has history with the Front Range schools. I would say get rid of Judy and maybe things will get better for the conference.

Yes. North Texas did reject the WAC, but that was back when we had poor leadership and no money.

Like every program in C-USA, UNT is looking to improve their situation. I love conferencing with the schools in C-USA West, but Judy is a terrible commissioner, our media exposure sucks, and too many members of C-USA don't seem serious about improving their programs, which hurts the overall strength of the conference. As a result, C-USA has diminished over the last several seasons. North Texas isn't dumping millions into our athletics just to languish among the bottom tier of collage athletics. So, if a better opportunity were to open, we would certainly take a serious look.



You imply UNT selected wrong. 07-coffee3

Yeah the WAC with La.Tech and the next closest school being soon to leave UTEP and NMSU wasn't going to fly with anyone who had been through the Big West and teams getting home back to Denton at 3am on a Friday morning in basketball.

UNT saved a departure fee and an entrance fee and landed exactly the same place they would have landed (unless athletics tanked even worse) had they gone to WAC.

The offer UNT and ULL put to the WAC was take both of us plus AState and MTSU and ya gotta deal which probably would have accelerated Idaho's departure from FBS, probably ends SBC football with Idaho, ULM, and Troy unable to get the league up to the 8 teams needed meaning FIU and FAU do extended stays in FCS, WKU remains in FCS, South Alabama probably doesn't start football and made the calculus vastly different when CUSA 2.0 gets raided.

No. We didn't select at all. At the time a move to a better western based conference was not economical. In the early 2000's, UNT just couldn't afford it. I think UNT had an annual athletic budget of about $8 million at that time. North Texas now has an annual athletic budget in the neighborhood of $40 million. It is a completely different situation now.

Not that I think North Texas is headed to a P5 but, I do think TCU proved that a Texas program can be successful by substantially increasing investment in athletics, and aligning with respected programs that have lucrative and visible media exposure in a western based conference.

Would I want UNT to move to the MWC? I don't know. C-USA isn't run well, and the conference isn't on the upswing, but I really like conferencing with the programs in the western division. If there were a block of C-USA Texas programs invited, I'd be more interested in our university leadership considering the move.

The problem with "conference management" is if you change commissioners you still have the same schools who were the majority backing the bad decisions. Not much is going to change, turnover at the schools gives you a better shot of improved conference leadership than changing commissioners.

I think CUSA has a natural dysfunction built in. You've got a cluster of schools who not only hate the travel, they have publicly complained about the travel. You have schools who believe every dollar spent on football is dollar that weakens basketball and they want to see their peers reallocating money to hoops.

Before Banowsky quit, he pushed a move to 16 by adding A-State and Louisiana. He privately believed the conference needed the tools to effectively split eventually because it was too diverse. He also had hoped that the shift would aid UAB's budget woes which came to an ugly head later on.

The deal fell apart because the eastern bloc wanted James Madison brought up from FCS and wanted to leave UAB in the west. Rumor was the west didn't want another move-up and wouldn't vote for JMU and the eastern schools wouldn't approve a western addition unless they got JMU.

Soon after Banowsky quits to work for a charitable foundation. A reasonable decision when you push a major program and it fails in the public eye.
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(01-26-2020 09:14 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  
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(01-24-2020 01:35 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(01-23-2020 10:34 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  
(01-22-2020 11:55 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  Didn’t UNT rejected the WAC not once but twice when they were in the Sun Belt? The MWC minus Boise (even with them) is literally the WAC that UNT rejected. C-USA West is the best situation for UNT, UTSA and Louisiana Tech. Rice is an AAC West school with a C-USA logo on their field and court while UTEP has history with the Front Range schools. I would say get rid of Judy and maybe things will get better for the conference.

Yes. North Texas did reject the WAC, but that was back when we had poor leadership and no money.

Like every program in C-USA, UNT is looking to improve their situation. I love conferencing with the schools in C-USA West, but Judy is a terrible commissioner, our media exposure sucks, and too many members of C-USA don't seem serious about improving their programs, which hurts the overall strength of the conference. As a result, C-USA has diminished over the last several seasons. North Texas isn't dumping millions into our athletics just to languish among the bottom tier of collage athletics. So, if a better opportunity were to open, we would certainly take a serious look.



You imply UNT selected wrong. 07-coffee3

Yeah the WAC with La.Tech and the next closest school being soon to leave UTEP and NMSU wasn't going to fly with anyone who had been through the Big West and teams getting home back to Denton at 3am on a Friday morning in basketball.

UNT saved a departure fee and an entrance fee and landed exactly the same place they would have landed (unless athletics tanked even worse) had they gone to WAC.

The offer UNT and ULL put to the WAC was take both of us plus AState and MTSU and ya gotta deal which probably would have accelerated Idaho's departure from FBS, probably ends SBC football with Idaho, ULM, and Troy unable to get the league up to the 8 teams needed meaning FIU and FAU do extended stays in FCS, WKU remains in FCS, South Alabama probably doesn't start football and made the calculus vastly different when CUSA 2.0 gets raided.

No. We didn't select at all. At the time a move to a better western based conference was not economical. In the early 2000's, UNT just couldn't afford it. I think UNT had an annual athletic budget of about $8 million at that time. North Texas now has an annual athletic budget in the neighborhood of $40 million. It is a completely different situation now.

Not that I think North Texas is headed to a P5 but, I do think TCU proved that a Texas program can be successful by substantially increasing investment in athletics, and aligning with respected programs that have lucrative and visible media exposure in a western based conference.

Would I want UNT to move to the MWC? I don't know. C-USA isn't run well, and the conference isn't on the upswing, but I really like conferencing with the programs in the western division. If there were a block of C-USA Texas programs invited, I'd be more interested in our university leadership considering the move.

The problem with "conference management" is if you change commissioners you still have the same schools who were the majority backing the bad decisions. Not much is going to change, turnover at the schools gives you a better shot of improved conference leadership than changing commissioners.

I think CUSA has a natural dysfunction built in. You've got a cluster of schools who not only hate the travel, they have publicly complained about the travel. You have schools who believe every dollar spent on football is dollar that weakens basketball and they want to see their peers reallocating money to hoops.

Before Banowsky quit, he pushed a move to 16 by adding A-State and Louisiana. He privately believed the conference needed the tools to effectively split eventually because it was too diverse. He also had hoped that the shift would aid UAB's budget woes which came to an ugly head later on.

The deal fell apart because the eastern bloc wanted James Madison brought up from FCS and wanted to leave UAB in the west. Rumor was the west didn't want another move-up and wouldn't vote for JMU and the eastern schools wouldn't approve a western addition unless they got JMU.

Soon after Banowsky quits to work for a charitable foundation. A reasonable decision when you push a major program and it fails in the public eye.

The West schools were right. FCS moveups have widened the gap between the P5 and G5.
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(01-26-2020 09:14 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(01-25-2020 03:49 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  
(01-24-2020 01:35 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(01-23-2020 10:34 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  
(01-22-2020 11:55 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  Didn’t UNT rejected the WAC not once but twice when they were in the Sun Belt? The MWC minus Boise (even with them) is literally the WAC that UNT rejected. C-USA West is the best situation for UNT, UTSA and Louisiana Tech. Rice is an AAC West school with a C-USA logo on their field and court while UTEP has history with the Front Range schools. I would say get rid of Judy and maybe things will get better for the conference.

Yes. North Texas did reject the WAC, but that was back when we had poor leadership and no money.

Like every program in C-USA, UNT is looking to improve their situation. I love conferencing with the schools in C-USA West, but Judy is a terrible commissioner, our media exposure sucks, and too many members of C-USA don't seem serious about improving their programs, which hurts the overall strength of the conference. As a result, C-USA has diminished over the last several seasons. North Texas isn't dumping millions into our athletics just to languish among the bottom tier of collage athletics. So, if a better opportunity were to open, we would certainly take a serious look.



You imply UNT selected wrong. 07-coffee3

Yeah the WAC with La.Tech and the next closest school being soon to leave UTEP and NMSU wasn't going to fly with anyone who had been through the Big West and teams getting home back to Denton at 3am on a Friday morning in basketball.

UNT saved a departure fee and an entrance fee and landed exactly the same place they would have landed (unless athletics tanked even worse) had they gone to WAC.

The offer UNT and ULL put to the WAC was take both of us plus AState and MTSU and ya gotta deal which probably would have accelerated Idaho's departure from FBS, probably ends SBC football with Idaho, ULM, and Troy unable to get the league up to the 8 teams needed meaning FIU and FAU do extended stays in FCS, WKU remains in FCS, South Alabama probably doesn't start football and made the calculus vastly different when CUSA 2.0 gets raided.

No. We didn't select at all. At the time a move to a better western based conference was not economical. In the early 2000's, UNT just couldn't afford it. I think UNT had an annual athletic budget of about $8 million at that time. North Texas now has an annual athletic budget in the neighborhood of $40 million. It is a completely different situation now.

Not that I think North Texas is headed to a P5 but, I do think TCU proved that a Texas program can be successful by substantially increasing investment in athletics, and aligning with respected programs that have lucrative and visible media exposure in a western based conference.

Would I want UNT to move to the MWC? I don't know. C-USA isn't run well, and the conference isn't on the upswing, but I really like conferencing with the programs in the western division. If there were a block of C-USA Texas programs invited, I'd be more interested in our university leadership considering the move.

The problem with "conference management" is if you change commissioners you still have the same schools who were the majority backing the bad decisions. Not much is going to change, turnover at the schools gives you a better shot of improved conference leadership than changing commissioners.

I think CUSA has a natural dysfunction built in. You've got a cluster of schools who not only hate the travel, they have publicly complained about the travel. You have schools who believe every dollar spent on football is dollar that weakens basketball and they want to see their peers reallocating money to hoops.

Before Banowsky quit, he pushed a move to 16 by adding A-State and Louisiana. He privately believed the conference needed the tools to effectively split eventually because it was too diverse. He also had hoped that the shift would aid UAB's budget woes which came to an ugly head later on.

The deal fell apart because the eastern bloc wanted James Madison brought up from FCS and wanted to leave UAB in the west. Rumor was the west didn't want another move-up and wouldn't vote for JMU and the eastern schools wouldn't approve a western addition unless they got JMU.

Soon after Banowsky quits to work for a charitable foundation. A reasonable decision when you push a major program and it fails in the public eye.

We have a small group of programs that are either cheap or poor, and don't invest in their athletics at a level that would elevate their football or basketball programs. They tend to publicly complain about the cost of travel. Their lack of commitment makes C-USA weaker on the fields and courts. And, their public complaining paints C-USA as an unstable conference. None of those qualities are good for C-USA.
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