Quote:HONOLULU (AP) — The U.S. Navy is expected to honor a World War II hero when a new aircraft carrier is named for Mess Attendant 2nd Class Doris Miller.

The announcement is expected to be made at Pearl Harbor Monday, The Honolulu Star-Advertiser reported Friday.

Miller was the first African American to receive the Navy Cross for valor.

Miller was recognized for manning a machine gun on the USS West Virginia and returning fire against Japanese planes during the Dec. 7, 1941 attack on Pearl Harbor.

USS Miller, a destroyer escort, was previously named in his honor.

“I think that Doris Miller is an American hero simply because of what he represents as a young man going beyond the call of what’s expected,” said Doreen Ravenscroft, a team leader for the Doris Miller Memorial.

An African American was not allowed to man a gun in the Navy in 1941, Ravenscroft said.

“Without him really knowing, he actually was a part of the Civil Rights movement because he changed the thinking in the Navy,” Ravenscroft said.

Two of Miller’s nieces are expected to be at Pearl Harbor for the announcement on Martin Luther King Jr. Day.

Miller, then 22, was collecting laundry when the attack alarm sounded. His normal battle station in an antiaircraft battery magazine was destroyed by a torpedo. He went on deck and carried wounded soldiers to safety before receiving orders to aid the mortally wounded captain on the bridge.

“He subsequently manned a 50-cal. Browning anti-aircraft machine gun until he ran out of ammunition and was ordered to abandon ship," the Navy said, noting Miller was not trained to operate the gun.

Admiral Chester W. Nimitz, the commander in chief of the Pacific Fleet, presented the Navy Cross to Miller in Pearl Harbor in May 1942.

Miller died while serving on a ship that was torpedoed by a Japanese submarine in November 1943.

Link

Should've happened sooner.

(01-18-2020 08:24 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

Quote:HONOLULU (AP) — The U.S. Navy is expected to honor a World War II hero when a new aircraft carrier is named for Mess Attendant 2nd Class Doris Miller.

The announcement is expected to be made at Pearl Harbor Monday, The Honolulu Star-Advertiser reported Friday.

Miller was the first African American to receive the Navy Cross for valor.

Miller was recognized for manning a machine gun on the USS West Virginia and returning fire against Japanese planes during the Dec. 7, 1941 attack on Pearl Harbor.

USS Miller, a destroyer escort, was previously named in his honor.

“I think that Doris Miller is an American hero simply because of what he represents as a young man going beyond the call of what’s expected,” said Doreen Ravenscroft, a team leader for the Doris Miller Memorial.

An African American was not allowed to man a gun in the Navy in 1941, Ravenscroft said.

“Without him really knowing, he actually was a part of the Civil Rights movement because he changed the thinking in the Navy,” Ravenscroft said.

Two of Miller’s nieces are expected to be at Pearl Harbor for the announcement on Martin Luther King Jr. Day.

Miller, then 22, was collecting laundry when the attack alarm sounded. His normal battle station in an antiaircraft battery magazine was destroyed by a torpedo. He went on deck and carried wounded soldiers to safety before receiving orders to aid the mortally wounded captain on the bridge.

“He subsequently manned a 50-cal. Browning anti-aircraft machine gun until he ran out of ammunition and was ordered to abandon ship," the Navy said, noting Miller was not trained to operate the gun.

Admiral Chester W. Nimitz, the commander in chief of the Pacific Fleet, presented the Navy Cross to Miller in Pearl Harbor in May 1942.

Miller died while serving on a ship that was torpedoed by a Japanese submarine in November 1943.

Link

Should've happened sooner.

So he has a destroyer AND a carrier named after him?

(01-18-2020 08:59 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-18-2020 08:24 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

Quote:HONOLULU (AP) — The U.S. Navy is expected to honor a World War II hero when a new aircraft carrier is named for Mess Attendant 2nd Class Doris Miller.

The announcement is expected to be made at Pearl Harbor Monday, The Honolulu Star-Advertiser reported Friday.

Miller was the first African American to receive the Navy Cross for valor.

Miller was recognized for manning a machine gun on the USS West Virginia and returning fire against Japanese planes during the Dec. 7, 1941 attack on Pearl Harbor.

USS Miller, a destroyer escort, was previously named in his honor.

“I think that Doris Miller is an American hero simply because of what he represents as a young man going beyond the call of what’s expected,” said Doreen Ravenscroft, a team leader for the Doris Miller Memorial.

An African American was not allowed to man a gun in the Navy in 1941, Ravenscroft said.

“Without him really knowing, he actually was a part of the Civil Rights movement because he changed the thinking in the Navy,” Ravenscroft said.

Two of Miller’s nieces are expected to be at Pearl Harbor for the announcement on Martin Luther King Jr. Day.

Miller, then 22, was collecting laundry when the attack alarm sounded. His normal battle station in an antiaircraft battery magazine was destroyed by a torpedo. He went on deck and carried wounded soldiers to safety before receiving orders to aid the mortally wounded captain on the bridge.

“He subsequently manned a 50-cal. Browning anti-aircraft machine gun until he ran out of ammunition and was ordered to abandon ship," the Navy said, noting Miller was not trained to operate the gun.

Admiral Chester W. Nimitz, the commander in chief of the Pacific Fleet, presented the Navy Cross to Miller in Pearl Harbor in May 1942.

Miller died while serving on a ship that was torpedoed by a Japanese submarine in November 1943.

Link

Should've happened sooner.

So he has a destroyer AND a carrier named after him?

I'm OK with that.

(01-18-2020 08:59 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-18-2020 08:24 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

Quote:HONOLULU (AP) — The U.S. Navy is expected to honor a World War II hero when a new aircraft carrier is named for Mess Attendant 2nd Class Doris Miller.

The announcement is expected to be made at Pearl Harbor Monday, The Honolulu Star-Advertiser reported Friday.

Miller was the first African American to receive the Navy Cross for valor.

Miller was recognized for manning a machine gun on the USS West Virginia and returning fire against Japanese planes during the Dec. 7, 1941 attack on Pearl Harbor.

USS Miller, a destroyer escort, was previously named in his honor.

“I think that Doris Miller is an American hero simply because of what he represents as a young man going beyond the call of what’s expected,” said Doreen Ravenscroft, a team leader for the Doris Miller Memorial.

An African American was not allowed to man a gun in the Navy in 1941, Ravenscroft said.

“Without him really knowing, he actually was a part of the Civil Rights movement because he changed the thinking in the Navy,” Ravenscroft said.

Two of Miller’s nieces are expected to be at Pearl Harbor for the announcement on Martin Luther King Jr. Day.

Miller, then 22, was collecting laundry when the attack alarm sounded. His normal battle station in an antiaircraft battery magazine was destroyed by a torpedo. He went on deck and carried wounded soldiers to safety before receiving orders to aid the mortally wounded captain on the bridge.

“He subsequently manned a 50-cal. Browning anti-aircraft machine gun until he ran out of ammunition and was ordered to abandon ship," the Navy said, noting Miller was not trained to operate the gun.

Admiral Chester W. Nimitz, the commander in chief of the Pacific Fleet, presented the Navy Cross to Miller in Pearl Harbor in May 1942.

Miller died while serving on a ship that was torpedoed by a Japanese submarine in November 1943.

Link

Should've happened sooner.

So he has a destroyer AND a carrier named after him?

The FF-1091 that was originally named after him was decommed in OCT 1991. If the Navy were keeping with the traditional naming conventions, Miller would have had a FLT II DDG named in his honor as Burke class destroyers are named for naval heroes.

Quote:The FF-1091 that was originally named after him was decommed in OCT 1991. If the Navy were keeping with the traditional naming conventions, Miller would have had a FLT II DDG named in his honor as Burke class destroyers are named for naval heroes.

I do not think that he should have an aircraft carrier named after him. Not because he was not a brave and great man, but there are rules and traditions to the naming of vessels, and they should be followed.
Enough with the PC and political bullcrap!!

(01-18-2020 08:24 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

Quote:HONOLULU (AP) — The U.S. Navy is expected to honor a World War II hero when a new aircraft carrier is named for Mess Attendant 2nd Class Doris Miller.

The announcement is expected to be made at Pearl Harbor Monday, The Honolulu Star-Advertiser reported Friday.

Miller was the first African American to receive the Navy Cross for valor.

Miller was recognized for manning a machine gun on the USS West Virginia and returning fire against Japanese planes during the Dec. 7, 1941 attack on Pearl Harbor.

USS Miller, a destroyer escort, was previously named in his honor.

“I think that Doris Miller is an American hero simply because of what he represents as a young man going beyond the call of what’s expected,” said Doreen Ravenscroft, a team leader for the Doris Miller Memorial.

An African American was not allowed to man a gun in the Navy in 1941, Ravenscroft said.

“Without him really knowing, he actually was a part of the Civil Rights movement because he changed the thinking in the Navy,” Ravenscroft said.

Two of Miller’s nieces are expected to be at Pearl Harbor for the announcement on Martin Luther King Jr. Day.

Miller, then 22, was collecting laundry when the attack alarm sounded. His normal battle station in an antiaircraft battery magazine was destroyed by a torpedo. He went on deck and carried wounded soldiers to safety before receiving orders to aid the mortally wounded captain on the bridge.

“He subsequently manned a 50-cal. Browning anti-aircraft machine gun until he ran out of ammunition and was ordered to abandon ship," the Navy said, noting Miller was not trained to operate the gun.

Admiral Chester W. Nimitz, the commander in chief of the Pacific Fleet, presented the Navy Cross to Miller in Pearl Harbor in May 1942.

Miller died while serving on a ship that was torpedoed by a Japanese submarine in November 1943.

Link

Should've happened sooner.

He already had a ship named after him—-just not a carrier.

It's about time

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(01-19-2020 08:15 AM)TomorrowHerd Wrote:  

Quote:The FF-1091 that was originally named after him was decommed in OCT 1991. If the Navy were keeping with the traditional naming conventions, Miller would have had a FLT II DDG named in his honor as Burke class destroyers are named for naval heroes.

I do not think that he should have an aircraft carrier named after him. Not because he was not a brave and great man, but there are rules and traditions to the naming of vessels, and they should be followed.
Enough with the PC and political bullcrap!!

Unfortunately, their have been previous violations of the naming scheme that invalidate that argument.

(01-19-2020 01:17 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(01-18-2020 08:24 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

Quote:HONOLULU (AP) — The U.S. Navy is expected to honor a World War II hero when a new aircraft carrier is named for Mess Attendant 2nd Class Doris Miller.

The announcement is expected to be made at Pearl Harbor Monday, The Honolulu Star-Advertiser reported Friday.

Miller was the first African American to receive the Navy Cross for valor.

Miller was recognized for manning a machine gun on the USS West Virginia and returning fire against Japanese planes during the Dec. 7, 1941 attack on Pearl Harbor.

USS Miller, a destroyer escort, was previously named in his honor.

“I think that Doris Miller is an American hero simply because of what he represents as a young man going beyond the call of what’s expected,” said Doreen Ravenscroft, a team leader for the Doris Miller Memorial.

An African American was not allowed to man a gun in the Navy in 1941, Ravenscroft said.

“Without him really knowing, he actually was a part of the Civil Rights movement because he changed the thinking in the Navy,” Ravenscroft said.

Two of Miller’s nieces are expected to be at Pearl Harbor for the announcement on Martin Luther King Jr. Day.

Miller, then 22, was collecting laundry when the attack alarm sounded. His normal battle station in an antiaircraft battery magazine was destroyed by a torpedo. He went on deck and carried wounded soldiers to safety before receiving orders to aid the mortally wounded captain on the bridge.

“He subsequently manned a 50-cal. Browning anti-aircraft machine gun until he ran out of ammunition and was ordered to abandon ship," the Navy said, noting Miller was not trained to operate the gun.

Admiral Chester W. Nimitz, the commander in chief of the Pacific Fleet, presented the Navy Cross to Miller in Pearl Harbor in May 1942.

Miller died while serving on a ship that was torpedoed by a Japanese submarine in November 1943.

Link

Should've happened sooner.

He already had a ship named after him—-just not a carrier.

There are some ship names that will always be commissioned in the Navy. Examples are The Sullivans, Enterprise and JFK. The fact that a new Yorktown, Kitty Hawk and Midway are major transgressions IMO.

TBH, I would rather our capital ships be named after actual heroes than politicians so this doesn't bother me.

(01-19-2020 06:00 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  TBH, I would rather our capital ships be named after actual heroes than politicians so this doesn't bother me.

Can’t argue with that. Stennis getting a CVN makes no sense.

I have absolutely no problem honoring Dorrie Miller, who is a genuine war hero of the highest sort.

I do have two minor objections:
1) This marks a break from the Navy tradition of naming carriers, and we have done too much breaking the traditions in this area. If we are going to do that, I would have preferred giving his name to the new submarine to be named USS Arizona, and leaving the name Arizona permanently unused in memory of the battleship sunk at Pearl Harbor. I would like to go back to historic naming conventions.
2) There was originally a belief that it was going to be named Ranger, in honor of John Paul Jones's ship and six subsequent Rangers, including the most recent, my old ship, CV-61.

Reminds me of the Johnny Cash song ‘Boy Named Sue’. I’m sure he was one tough dude.

I honor PO Miller and his contributions to our freedoms. Fair winds and following seas!

Is he who Cuba Gooding Jr was supposed to represent in the abomination that was Michael Bay's Pearl Harbor?

(01-20-2020 10:22 AM)bobdizole Wrote:  Is he who Cuba Gooding Jr was supposed to represent in the abomination that was Michael Bay's Pearl Harbor?

Si

(01-19-2020 09:17 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I have absolutely no problem honoring Dorrie Miller, who is a genuine war hero of the highest sort.
I do have two minor objections:
1) This marks a break from the Navy tradition of naming carriers, and we have done too much breaking the traditions in this area. If we are going to do that, I would have preferred giving his name to the new submarine to be named USS Arizona, and leaving the name Arizona permanently unused in memory of the battleship sunk at Pearl Harbor. I would like to go back to historic naming conventions.
2) There was originally a belief that it was going to be named Ranger, in honor of John Paul Jones's ship and six subsequent Rangers, including the most recent, my old ship, CV-61.

For those who do not know, these are the historic ship naming conventions:

Battleships - States
Cruisers - Cities
Destroyers - War (primarily naval) heroes
Submarines - Fish and other sea animals

Modern technology has brought about three new ship types:

Aircraft carriers - Named for famous battles (Antietam, Saratoga) or famous former warships (Ranger, Constellation) or presidents (FDR, JFK, GHWB, Ford), with exceptions (Shangri-La, Kitty Hawk, Forrestal, Nimitz, Stennis).
Nuclear ballistic missile submarines - States (these are modern equivalents to battleships, so this makes sense)
Nuclear attack submarines - Cities (these are modern equivalents to cruisers, so this makes sense too).

Personally,
1) I would like to see CVNs named for presidents. I would also like to see us build a smaller class of conventional CVs (the cost of the Fords is outrageous, and significantly impairs our ability to maintain a fleet at required levels) named for historic battles or former warships (selfishly, Ranger was my first ship, and I would like to see another).
2) Given the advances in air independent propulsion (AIP subs can now actually be quieter than nukes because even when standing still, nukes have to run pumps to cool the reactor core) and the increasing cost of nuke subs, I would also like to see us build a class of AIPs to allow us to keep a larger number of subs and also to perform certain high-risk missions for which AIPs may be more appropriate than nukes, and I would like to return to fish names for those ships.